http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/18/4536466/enders-game-star-harrison-ford-responds-to-orson-scott-cards-anti-gay
I have a friend on another board who has been looking to see this film in theaters for sometime; therefore, I hope Card's statements don't affect the film's release. I, on the other hand, have no interest in seeing the film. Not because of anything that Card has said, but because I just can't stand the book series upon which the film is based.
So opposing gay marriage is now thought crime.
Lock me up.
Quote from: indianasmith on July 20, 2013, 01:44:17 PM
So opposing gay marriage is now thought crime.
Lock me up.
Kinda my reaction when I read this. Because someone has voiced an opinion at some point in their life, we now have to despise everything connected to them? At the risk of sparking off any crybabies, I have to say that this line of thinking seems dangerously similar to the Nazi movement. But since these people are acting like fascists in the name of "equality", that is supposed to make it okay?
Next thing you know, they'll ruin some celebrity's career because of something they said 30 years ago. Oh, oops, already happened....
I read "Ender's Game" years ago and quite frankly never understood what all the whoop de doo was about it anyway, so I'd be skipping the movie regardless.
The bigger issue is that Card comes across as a huge a***ole about it whenever it comes up. He's always been thoroughly unlikable whenever this stuff is discussed. He's not merely opposed to gay marriage, but to gay people period. He comes across as thinking they're less than human. Maybe I'm reading into it, but that's how it comes across.
That makes him a creep to me.
Love Ender's Game though!
If that's the case, I understand people's emotions a bit better.
I hold to a rather old-fashioned view of sexuality, but I still love gay people even if I may disapprove of their lifestyle, and I always try to treat them with respect and courtesy. You can make a stand for traditional values without being hateful or obnoxious.
Quote from: indianasmith on July 21, 2013, 06:41:27 PM
If that's the case, I understand people's emotions a bit better.
I hold to a rather old-fashioned view of sexuality, but I still love gay people even if I may disapprove of their lifestyle, and I always try to treat them with respect and courtesy. You can make a stand for traditional values without being hateful or obnoxious.
I agree with you. I've had several gay friends that I loved like family but I still disagree with the lifestyle. I don't hate them because of being gay but I must stick to my personal views that marriage is for a man and a woman. And I really don't understand stomping all over my views in the name of freedom. Of course,that argument could be used for the other side as well but I look at it as a moral issue,not a political or rights ones. I apologize now if I have offended anyone....these are simply my opinions.
I wouldn't say that Card should get the creep of the week award, because he is just a creep in general. Card has been one of the most vociferous anti-gay proponents in recent history. I can understand if you are against gay marriage for whatever beliefs you have, but have you taken the extra step to say that maybe an armed insurrection of a government that approves of that sort of thing would be okay.
Orson Scott Card has said that. I'm sure he was serious at the time, but now he seems to be willing to admit he's lost.
But listen, you really need to separate yourself from the art and the person who made it.
Orson Scott Card wrote Ender's Game, which is a fantastic book. And then he wrote Speaker for the Dead, which is another incredible piece of art. I would argue it's better than the first book.
All I'm saying is that incredible works of art are often made by people who are degenerate pieces of s**t. I absolutely adore Roald Dahl, I think he's written some of the best children's literature ever. But if you want to get into his personal life, he's a monster. Just a complete ass, and anti-Semitic to boot.
Yet he wrote "The Wonderful Story of Henry Sugar."
Well said. If I limited my viewings to performers whose politics would agree with mine, I'd be stucking watching nothing but Tom Selleck, Bruce Willis, and Bo Derek movies . . . OK, maybe that last one isn't too bad! :teddyr:
Should I be looking forward to the cries of, "Homophobe!" any time I happen to read a Card book now? The guy says things I don't agree with but he keeps his science fiction hard and free of his own beliefs. At least I have to assume so since I didn't find this stuff in any book but rather in the news.
Keep us fighting the for/against war with each other while the ratings and page hits soar. I'll starve them of my portion. :lookingup:
Edit: I've apprently confused Orson Scott Card with Alastair Reynolds. My brain runs on a lean mixture. :drink:
I should say that, while I whole-heartedly endorse both Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead, Card's further input into that series has a very sharp drop-off in quality. Xenocide was okay, but Children of the Mind was just dreadful.
He really seems to have a fascination with child geniuses. They pegged him to write the "Ultimate" version of Iron Man for Marvel comics, which featured Tony Stark as a, surprise!, child genius.
The law of diminishing returns is fully in effect for Orson Scott Card. He really hasn't written anything of importance for decades now, and because of his crappy beliefs, I'm not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. These day's he's basically a hack. But he did write those two books, which I think are great.
Quote from: indianasmith on July 21, 2013, 06:41:27 PM
If that's the case, I understand people's emotions a bit better.
I hold to a rather old-fashioned view of sexuality, but I still love gay people even if I may disapprove of their lifestyle, and I always try to treat them with respect and courtesy. You can make a stand for traditional values without being hateful or obnoxious.
Well put, Indy; as ambassadors of the Kingdom of Heaven, we are calleed upon to speak the truth, but with love, and always recognizing that we, as well, are sinful, imperfect beings, saved from destruction only by the shed blood of Christ.
Quote from: Mofo Rising on July 24, 2013, 03:25:46 AM
I wouldn't say that Card should get the creep of the week award, because he is just a creep in general. Card has been one of the most vociferous anti-gay proponents in recent history. I can understand if you are against gay marriage for whatever beliefs you have, but have you taken the extra step to say that maybe an armed insurrection of a government that approves of that sort of thing would be okay.
Orson Scott Card has said that. I'm sure he was serious at the time, but now he seems to be willing to admit he's lost.
But listen, you really need to separate yourself from the art and the person who made it.
Orson Scott Card wrote Ender's Game, which is a fantastic book. And then he wrote Speaker for the Dead, which is another incredible piece of art. I would argue it's better than the first book.
All I'm saying is that incredible works of art are often made by people who are degenerate pieces of s**t. I absolutely adore Roald Dahl, I think he's written some of the best children's literature ever. But if you want to get into his personal life, he's a monster. Just a complete ass, and anti-Semitic to boot.
Yet he wrote "The Wonderful Story of Henry Sugar."
I hear you; Howard Hawks was one of my favorite directors, yet he hated blacks.