Talk about war movies. Cold war movies are eligible for this topic.
"The longest day" is a great ww2 movie. Remember this movie is a true war story, the things seen in the movie happened. Yes, nuns calmly walked into an active combat zone and began treating the wounded of both sides under fire. This movie is based on true stories.
"Failsafe" is very likely the best cold war movie ever made. A very believable and plausible story of how a series of mistakes, compounded by the distrust both the east and west had for each other, could lead to a nuclear holocaust, and the price both sides might have to pay to avoid all out war. A true film noir with great actors delivering great performances. The slow progression from "something strange is going on" to "red alert" to "we can't stop this!" to the horror both that sides have brought the world to the brink of apocalypse and the price that must be paid to avoid total destruction creates an ever escalating tension that mercilessly grabs the audience by the throat and never lets go.
"The green berets" Ugh. A sack of lies, jingoism, hate, emotional exploitation and warmongering propaganda that Joseph Goebbels would have been proud of, the only movie made about the Vietnam war by Americans during Vietnam, starring draft dodger john Wayne pushing the "better dead than red" mindset and portraying the enemy as so vile and subhuman they can only be viewed in shadows. I've known vietnam vets who hated this movie. According to popular rumor a Vietnam vet who was this movie met Jane Fonda at a Hollywood party and told her that movie was such a pack of lies that someone needed to tell the american people the truth, inspiring her trip to Vietnam.
What war movies do you like or hate?
SAVING PRIVATE RYAN is perhaps my all time favorite.
I also like THE PATRIOT (yes, as a historian I know it is highly inaccurate but it's just a fun flick all around!), GLORY, THE LOST BATTALION, and HBO's THE PACIFIC series. One I watch every year is the 2004 version of THE ALAMO; it's the most accurate Alamo movie ever made, beautifully filmed and well cast, and I still don't get why it flopped at the box office. For medieval warfare, I love Kenneth Branagh's HENRY V. I think it is the best scree adaptation of any Shakespeare play ever.
Not a huge fan of war movies in general, but ones I do like are
A Bridge Too Far. A military operation grand in scale, but not enough time spent planning it. Such a waste of lives.
Zulu. Overwhelming numbers of brave Zulu's try to evict a bunch of foreign soldiers from their homeland, but come up against superior technology.
We Were Soldiers. Just for the Sergeant Major "What are you now, the god damn weather man?"
Flag Of Our Fathers / Letters From Iwo Jima. The sad tale of what happened to the men who raised the flag on Iwo Jima after the war. And then a slightly unusual film to come out of the States showing the side of the war from the Japanese side.
I have to agree with the GREEN BERETS being a pile of s**t! John Wayne glamrorizing Vietnam? Christ onna cross.
I also agree with Indy about SAVING PRIVATE RYAN.
And Dark Alex with WE WERE SOLDIERS and FLAG OF OUR FATHERS and LETTERS FROM IWO JIMA.
I would also recommend-
.FULL METAL JACKET-it's Kubrick.
.APOCALYPSE NOW of course.
.FURY- Very underrated.
. and here it goes- the yes it's exploitive and in no way realistic- INGLORIOUS BASTERDS
.TORA! TORA! TORA! is one of my favorite films since I was a kid. I remember watching it on the big consul TV (the one that had the record player and radio attached that sat on the living room floor and took up half the f**king room).
.GUNG HO- yep the propoaganda thing with Robert Mitchum saying " I hate japs." And the buck-toothed thick lensed glasses wearing Japanese pilots-so wrong!
And of course DR. STRANGELOVE, FAIL SAFE and the BEDFORD INCIDENT.
And in an ironic twist, The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly was actually a war movie.
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Yes, the Bedford incident was a decent cold war movie that was basically "Moby dick goes nuclear".
Dr. Strangelove was a great movie but I have a major issue with it, the studio cheated failsafe by filing a false lawsuit to block its release until after Dr. Strangelove. Strangelove kind of ended the cold war hysteria movie era so failsafe never got its due recognition. That's more of an issue with the morals of the studio execs, not the movie per se'.
No one mentioned " On the beach", which was a great movie but very depressing. Still, it had a message.
Full metal jacket deserves credit for being realistic, according to a marine who was in Vietnam. It also established a trend: put R. Lee Ermy in a movie and have him killed. The audience will love it. Kirby must have been the first one to look at Ermy and say "There's a guy people want to see killed!"
Quote from: Svengoolie 3 on February 24, 2018, 03:04:45 PM
Full metal jacket deserves credit for being realistic, according to a marine who was in Vietnam. It also established a trend: put R. Lee Ermy in a movie and have him killed. The audience will love it. Kirby must have been the first one to look at Ermy and say "There's a guy people want to see killed!"
He was in THE BOYS OF COMPANY C. His first feature in fact. He was about the only sympathetic person the main characters ran across, and he was a hard ass in that one as well.
My favorite war/military movie is THE BOFORS GUN.
It is ultimately a battle of wills between a soldier determined to meet the family curse of no male living past 30 (if I remember correctly) and his commander who just wants to get reassigned. Fantastic performances. Sadly, not a title readily available in the United States on DVD or BD.
I add Paths of Glory, Schindler's List, Duck Soup, Life is Beautiful, The Great Dictator, Dunkirk, The Battle of Algiers, The Deer Hunter, Platoon, The 49th Parallel and Great of the Fireflies to the list
Oooh! I forgot my new favorite, DARKEST HOUR! Downright brilliant!
The good:
SHANGANI PATROL (1970): the true story of the battle of the Shangani River in Rhodesia in 1893.
ZULU (1964): the battle of Rorke's Drift in 1879.
MAJUBA (1968): the battle of Majuba Hill in 1881 between the British and the South Africans.
THE GUNS OF NAVARONE (1961): the ultimate anti-war film.
THE STICK (1988): South African war / horror film - very disturbing.
THE WILD GEESE (1978)
The bad:
THE EAGLE HAS LANDED: terrible film from a brilliant book.
VON RYAN'S EXPRESS: if you've read the book, the film is crap.
Das boot was a good war film from "the other side".
Also in the " from the other side" category we have "Enemy at the gates". Maybe not absolutely historically accurate but a good movie reminding us that, love it or shove it, the Russian people fought the Nazis too.
Quote from: Dark Alex on February 24, 2018, 06:31:00 AM
Not a huge fan of war movies in general, but ones I do like are
A Bridge Too Far. A military operation grand in scale, but not enough time spent planning it. Such a waste of lives.
Sounds like most of Richard Attenborough's career :wink:
QuoteZulu. Overwhelming numbers of brave Zulu's try to evict a bunch of foreign soldiers from their homeland, but come up against superior technology.
Brilliant film: inaccurate in many historical respects but a thrilling film.
No Man Is An Island - Interesting story of an American soldier who survived on an island after it was taken over by the Japanese. (He had help.) Based, probably loosely, on a true story.
Submarine movies are usually good. Saw K-19: The Widowmaker a few weeks ago. That was horrific. :buggedout: :bluesad:
I remember enjoying Memphis Belle, but I haven't seen it in a looong time so I can't say if I'd still like it.
The Great Escape is good. (Now I'll have that song stuck in my head for awhile. :smile:)
Do Holocaust movies count?
Quote from: Pacman000 on February 26, 2018, 12:39:41 PM
No Man Is An Island - Interesting story of an American soldier who survived on an island after it was taken over by the Japanese. (He had help.) Based, probably loosely, on a true story.
Submarine movies are usually good. Saw K-19: The Widowmaker a few weeks ago. That was horrific. :buggedout: :bluesad:
I remember enjoying Memphis Belle, but I haven't seen it in a looong time so I can't say if I'd still like it.
The Great Escape is good. (Now I'll have that song stuck in my head for awhile. :smile:)
Do Holocaust movies count?
Yes I know about k19, a good cold war movie. The Russians were not subhuman monsters.
Holocaust movies i suppose barely qualify here.
Let's not forget THE ODD ANGRY SHOT (1979) As good film, that is.
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A score. I know the title is "War Movies, the Good, the Bad, the Ugly," but (IMHO) some of the greatest war scenes are from non-war films, so they are included here.
All Quiet on the Western Front (1930)
Ben Hur (1959)
Damn the Defiant (aka HMS Defiant)
Fall of the Roman Empire
Gettysburg
Glory
Intolerance
King Arthur
The Lord of the Rings (1978)
Major Dundee
The Messenger
The Mission
Mulan
Revolution
Vera Cruz
The War Lord
Waterloo
Wizards
Young Winston
Zulu Dawn
Saw Megan Leavey a few weeks ago:
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Enjoyed it.
Reminded me Chips the War Dog:
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Wow, so many good ones. Here are a few.
* HELL IS FOR HEROES (Steve McQueen, Fess Parker, James Coburn, Bob Newhart for comic relief) - good stuff
* HELL TO ETERNITY (Jeffrey Hunter and David Janssen) - based on the true story of Guy Gabaldon who was raised by a Japanese family . . . and then had to fight the Japanese in WWII.
* CROSS OF IRON (James Coburn, James Mason, David Warner) - WWII, Sam Peckinpah style, as seen from the German army's point of view.
* OBJECTIVE, BURMA! (Erroll Flynn) - Excellent movie about a group of soldiers on a mission to blow up a radar station, but they find out that getting out is a lot harder than getting in.
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The Blue Max!
Good title, great aerial battles, but the main character's such a heel...
I know almost as little about this genre as I do westerns but I saw Siege of Firebase Gloria on thistv a while ago and it was pretty good. with Wings Hauser
(http://www.mgmchannel.com/data/uddir/files/view_13_Blutige_Offensive_4_jpg.jpg)
edit: someone mentioned The Wild geese and I agree that was good.
double edit: does the Noah count?
Quote from: The Burgomaster on February 27, 2018, 03:59:54 PM
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* OBJECTIVE, BURMA! (Erroll Flynn) - Excellent movie about a group of soldiers on a mission to blow up a radar station, but they find out that getting out is a lot harder than getting in.
The main reason I came into this thread.
OBJECTIVE, BURMA! is a favorite!
SAVING PRIVATE RYAN mentioned by
Indy has about 20 minutes of the most intense cinema there is.
84C MoPic (1989)
predates Blair Witch hand held camera style plus manages to actually be scary rather than brutal. One of the most underrated war movies ever.
Since I'm reviewing it, I remembered this thread and wanted to say that the movie version of CATCH-22 seems to be highly underrated.
Along similar lines, M*A*S*H* is a classic.
Quote from: Rev. Powell on March 14, 2018, 10:31:37 AM
Since I'm reviewing it, I remembered this thread and wanted to say that the movie version of CATCH-22 seems to be highly underrated.
Along similar lines, M*A*S*H* is a classic.
I agree almost completely, except the whole football portion of M*A*S*H was a bit too obvious in its Vietnam conflict comparison. The film worked better within the confines of the camp. But, yes, pretty much a classic.
Das Boot is probably my favourite one...both the Directors Cut and the long TV mini series.
Also I enjoyed Taegukgi...a south korean war movie taking place in the korean war.
GLORY (1989)
I'm surprised no one's mentioned The Alamo (1960): from what Indy's told me, the film is inaccurate in many ways but it is a thrilling and from time to time, also a funny film.
Quote from: Trevor on June 27, 2018, 02:31:16 AM
I'm surprised no one's mentioned The Alamo (1960): from what Indy's told me, the film is inaccurate in many ways but it is a thrilling and from time to time, also a funny film.
It was a badly racist movie with .exicans portrayed as nearly subhuman savage animals that delighted in murder, and utterly fictitious in most other regards with john wayne heroically self destructing the Alamo at the end by throwing a torch into a powder magazine as he was dying after being bayoneted in the back by a sadistically leering Mexican.
I'd have to agree on the ALAMO (1960) . What a waste of film stock.
Do film series count?
Because Ken Burn's VIETNAM (2017) is excellent.
Also his the CIVIL WAR (1990) series.
So is the WORLD AT WAR (1974) series.
Hmmmm... Santa Anna's army did let some women & children go at the end of the movie. They even showed great respect for them. That's hardly savage or animal-like. Sure, the film broke things into a simple good guys vs. bad guys scenario, with the Mexican army playing the bad guys, but that's not in-and-of itself racist.
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I always liked this scene because it showed the Mexican army as something besides monsters, in spite of all the horrors of the battle. :bluesad: It's also well scored & well shot; basically every shot could be a painting depicting the end of a battle.
As for history... The earliest surviving account of the battle was written about 20 years after the event took place. The film's historians did disown the movie, claiming they were mostly ignored. Some of the events portrayed in the movie broadly match what I've read of the actual battle, but I'm willing to bet 90% of the film was made up.
As a Texas historian, I can tell you that John Wayne's movie gets virtually all the historical details wrong.
However, it does leave you with a sense of what the Alamo was about.
The 2004 movie THE ALAMO is far and away the most historically accurate Alamo movie ever made - and it crashed and burned at the box office!
I still like it though.
Quote from: indianasmith on June 27, 2018, 01:48:19 PM
As a Texas historian, I can tell you that John Wayne's movie gets virtually all the historical details wrong.
However, it does leave you with a sense of what the Alamo was about.
The 2004 movie THE ALAMO is far and away the most historically accurate Alamo movie ever made - and it crashed and burned at the box office!
I still like it though.
Yeah the ads for it looked good.
Quote from: indianasmith on June 27, 2018, 01:48:19 PM
As a Texas historian, I can tell you that John Wayne's movie gets virtually all the historical details wrong.
However, it does leave you with a sense of what the Alamo was about.
I remember you telling me a few years back that the battle actually took place at night and in the early morning (the film shows it as happening during the day) and that the film showed the battle taking place in the wrong season entirely, amongst other things.
Also, there were no Lithuanian born, South African raised and educated Englishmen at the Alamo. :wink:
I always liked the World War I movie ALL'S QUITE ON THE WESTERN FRONT (1930). It's an early (and rare for the time) view of the first world war from the other side.
The 300 Spartans was done in an area that hardly resembled Thermopylae....
I don't know if I have mentioned it in this thread or not, but I loved FLYBOYS.
Highly inaccurate as far as war history goes, but those dogfights were pure eye candy for a kid who grew up reading about the Red Baron and all the other aces of the Great War.