I got a jury notice today. It;s one of those where you're supposed to put you life on hold for several days and call every morning to see if you're supposed to come in that day or not.
If I get called in I'm probably going to jail, possibly for months.
First off our legal system is so corrupt today that I do not respect it. People going to prison for long times over minor acts, police on camera committing murder and walking away scott free, our prison system turned into for profit private businesses where poeople's lives are turned into corporate profit, ad infinutum. If standing when a judge waddles into or out of a court is a gesture of respect to our courts I won,t make it, so off to jail i go sans trial or any due process possibly for months for exercising my first amendment right to express the fact i feel the court system doesn't deserve respect. The irony being that this would in fact prove our court system doesn't deserve respect.
So if I get called i will not stand for a judge and likely sent directly to jail for exercising a first amendment right to express an opinion. I'm majking arrangements for friends to take care of my stuff but I don;t know what's going to happen to my life or how much i may lose.
So in short, you are going to make an ass out of yourself and blame the system?
I feel our court system does not deserve respect and i will express that view by refusing to stand,m which is essentially the same as kneeling' for it. Our courts are shoveling americans into the maw of for profit prisons where their lives are turned into corporate profits, essentially the new, rebranded form of slavery. I do not respect our court system and believe being coerced into showing respect for it violates my first amendment rights.
You know, oddly enough, I've obeyed the law my whole life and never once been shoveled into a "for-profit" prison system.
Funny how that works.
I think our system works the vast majority of the time, and I think most of the people whining the loudest are also the people who can't seem to get out of the habit of breaking the law.
But, by all means, refuse to stand for the judge. Spit in his face to show your contempt for the system. Then we will be spared your constant reminders that you hate the majority of the people in the world for a little while!
While yes, I completely agree that our legal system is corrupt as hell, but you'd rather go to jail than just going along with it? :question:
I understand the desire to fight the s**t system, but that decision probably won't change anything and wouldn't you just end up with the exact things you've been complaining about?
I think it's all talk anyway. As in blah blah blah. Lip service.
Quote from: indianasmith on July 09, 2018, 11:33:23 AM
You know, oddly enough, I've obeyed the law my whole life and never once been shoveled into a "for-profit" prison system.
Funny how that works.
I think our system works the vast majority of the time, and I think most of the people whining the loudest are also the people who can't seem to get out of the habit of breaking the law.
But, by all means, refuse to stand for the judge. Spit in his face to show your contempt for the system. Then we will be spared your constant reminders that you hate the majority of the people in the world for a little while!
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So, refusing to commit a gesture of submission, which is what standing for a judge basically is, is somehow equal to spitting in someone's face? False equivelancy much?
When I was in France I came to respect the legal system there, no juries, only a panel of judges. No theatrics from lawyers, no activist jurors, the law was strictly interpreted and enforced.
BTW, Sven, by all means speak your mind in there, mate.
Quote from: Gene Worm on July 09, 2018, 12:09:53 PM
While yes, I completely agree that our legal system is corrupt as hell, but you'd rather go to jail than just going along with it? :question:
I understand the desire to fight the s**t system, but that decision probably won't change anything and wouldn't you just end up with the exact things you've been complaining about?
In human history a few men may have wanted to set a nation on a terrible course, but it only goes there if enough people "just go along with it". I've seen our rights trampled abd negated by the legal system, government and big business for many years now. I'm sick and tired of just going along with it.
Quote from: Allhallowsday on July 09, 2018, 12:18:34 PM
I think it's all talk anyway. As in blah blah blah. Lip service.
When I saw the hate abd rage directed at Colin Kaepernick for his refusal to quietly approve of intolerable things being done in this coubry I felt a deep respect for him and his courage. Maybe if I follow his lead I can respect myself again.
BTW if my posts are so repugnant to you why read them? I quit reading a users posts after she started xxxing on every post I made.
You couldn't just go down to the jury place and say that you would be busy during the jury dates?
Afraid replies like that is what happens when you do so much to make yourself disliked. It seems odd to me that you work so hard at it and then complain about getting exactly what you earned. If you don't want people to make these replies to your posts you could equally not make them instead of complaining about people replying to them. Or do you only want replies that agree with you? For someone who claims to be a liberal I have certainly seen some interesting and very telling posts from you about other peoples freedom of beliefs and where they should post or not. Frankly if you didn't keep mentioning how much you hate Nazi's and that you are a liberal I would actually have assumed you were pretty far out on the right wing.
If you choose instead to use your right to free speech, then complaining about other people using the same right just makes you sound like a whiny b***h (not to mention that this is a common argument used by people on the right who want to spread their own views when other people call them out on it). So how about less complaining about other people using their rights just the same as you and learn to accept that if you post something other people have the right to reply to it, even if it is just to tell you they don't agree with what you say or rag on every post you make. Unless you have started paying for or running this site I don't believe you have any particular powers or extra rights that would allow you to expect otherwise. You certainly haven't earned the respect that might have gotten you what you want.
If anyone else was to have made this post I'd be all for supporting them, offering any advice and help I could, but when I finished reading the OP all I could summon up was a common response in my job when someone is having a whinge about something. You want sympathy? Try looking in a dictionary between s**t and Syphilis.
You want to stick it to the man? Go ahead. If it gives you self respect then so much the better (your post comes off more though as you trying to make yourself out to be something of a martyr though) however on reading the title of the post my first thought was 'I won't miss you'. I generally like the people on this forum and respect them, even (and sometime especially) the ones I occasionally argue with. For you I just find it hard to care, which is a real shame because many of your posts have been really good. Its just the amount of s**t you have to wade through to get to them just burned me out on caring about your opinions or what happens to you.
All I'm seeing from this is "I'm so much better and moral than other people. Boo-hoo. they're going to punish me simply because I'm acting like an @$$hole to them."
If you loose all your self respect just by playing along and showing simple courtesy to somebody, you probably didn't have that much to begin with. You just want to make an example out of yourself not because you believe in something, but because you want people to think you do.
Then again, you probably won't do it anyway. I'm not convinced you're not making this whole thing up anyway. When you go in to be selected for jury duty they ASK you if you have any problems fulfilling your role. Unless you were lying to them there, they should have picked you out at that point.
Quote from: Svengoolie 3 on July 09, 2018, 12:34:49 PM
Quote from: Allhallowsday on July 09, 2018, 12:18:34 PM
I think it's all talk anyway. As in blah blah blah. Lip service.
When I saw the hate abd rage directed at Colin Kaepernick for his refusal to quietly approve of intolerable things being done in this coubry I felt a deep respect for him and his courage. Maybe if I follow his lead I can respect myself again.
BTW if my posts are so repugnant to you why read them? I quit reading a users posts after she started xxxing on every post I made.
What on Earth would make you think your posts are "so repugnant"? Don't single me out; I'm one of the few who might be inclined to agree with your politics. I admire
COLIN KAEPERNICK, but i do not think your civil disorder protest is brave unless you actually do it... and get thrown in jail for it. What
COLIN KAEPERNICK did was in front of a national audience. He is a brave man.
Quote from: Svengoolie 3 on July 09, 2018, 10:41:40 AM
So if I get called i will not stand for a judge and likely sent directly to jail for exercising a first amendment right to express an opinion. I'm making arrangements for friends to take care of my stuff but I don;t know what's going to happen to my life or how much i may lose.
Or you could, I dunno, try to get ON the jury, listen to the case, and if you (
sincerely) believe that someone is being railroaded, try to persuade the rest of the jury with rational arguments.
Wouldn't that be more helpful to someone rather than getting thrown in jail in a useless act of "protest" that'll come off more as a act of petty immaturity?
Have you actually had your interview for jury duty yet? You know that as a potential juror you will be asked questions about fulfilling the role and if you cannot fulfil the role you will not be chosen.
And as most you'd be removed from court and fined for the type of behaviour you are planning on exhibiting. Unless you are in an area where the prisons and jails are not over crowded I cannot see them throwing you in jail for what you are planning.
Also I'll just leave this here: even when a juror is held in contempt, judges are learning they have to be careful. ... The appellate court held that a juror could not be convicted of direct criminal contempt, which is for conduct that occurs in the presence of the court, unless the juror interfered with the judicial process. So unless you are planning on doing more than refusing to stand I can't see you being convicted.
I've been in jail LOTS of times. I sure wouldn't intentionaly put myself there. f**k that.
Every time I went to court for some dumbs**t I shouldn't have done, I just "Yes ,Your honor," or "No, Your Honor." I could have said "f**k you,a***ole!" But for what? To put more time on my sentence? Hell no!
The judge don't give a f**k about your politics. And neither does anyone there. If you were famous, you might make it onto tthe news for 10 minutes or so. Yippie skippy. Won't make a dam bit of difference- your just f**king yourself for NOTHING.
And if any of the inmates find out WHY your there-they may beat your ass just because you PUT yoursef there-because none of them motherf**kers are there for "making a stand". Because that holding tank is filled with lotsa angry criminals. Me, I was there mostlly for being a crazy drunk when I was young. But I was smart enough to keep my mouth shut.
Quote from: Svengoolie 3 on July 09, 2018, 11:23:13 AM
I feel our court system does not deserve respect and i will express that view by refusing to stand,m which is essentially the same as kneeling' for it. Our courts are shoveling americans into the maw of for profit prisons where their lives are turned into corporate profits, essentially the new, rebranded form of slavery. I do not respect our court system and believe being coerced into showing respect for it violates my first amendment rights.
So, you want to protest "profit prisons" by being sent to one . . . where your life will be "turned into corporate profits"? Maybe it's just me, but it seems a bit counterproductive.
Quote from: RCMerchant on July 09, 2018, 04:20:49 PM
I've been in jail LOTS of times. I sure wouldn't intentionaly put myself there. f**k that.
Every time I went to court for some dumbs**t I shouldn't have done, I just "Yes ,Your honor," or "No, Your Honor." I could have said "f**k you,a***ole!" But for what? To put more time on my sentence? Hell no!
The judge don't give a f**k about your politics. And neither does anyone there. If you were famous, you might make it onto tthe news for 10 minutes or so. Yippie skippy. Won't make a dam bit of difference- your just f**king yourself for NOTHING.
And if any of the inmates find out WHY your there-they may beat your ass just because you PUT yoursef there-because none of them motherf**kers are there for "making a stand". Because that holding tank is filled with lotsa angry criminals. Me, I was there mostlly for being a crazy drunk when I was young. But I was smart enough to keep my mouth shut.
If you do have fun! And don''t drop the soap! :tongueout:
:bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle:
I personally think Svengoolie is just being overdramatic, and that it would be best just to ignore posts like this and not feed the drama.
Quote from: Rev. Powell on July 09, 2018, 06:53:57 PM
I personally think Svengoolie is just being overdramatic, and that it would be best just to ignore posts like this and not feed the drama.
It won't be a problem. :smile:
Sven- think about this for a minute. Logicly.
Martin Luther King,football players, and the hippies had a mass audiance. That's why what they do matters. Your audiance will be the Judge.
And you. It will prove or solve nothing. The only person it will impress is the guy who will send you to jail. But He won't even do that-maybe fine you. Then you'll just be out of money. Boy that was a statement. :lookingup: You just gave more money to the people you hate.
I ain't a big fan of the Courts either.
But I ain't gonna f**k myself. That's just eyeball rolling stupid.
Quote from: RCMerchant on July 09, 2018, 07:28:56 PM
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But I ain't gonna f**k myself. That's just eyeball rolling stupid.
Of course! But, if you go to jail, you never know who might f**k you... :lookingup: :teddyr:
Quote from: Allhallowsday on July 09, 2018, 08:37:10 PM
Quote from: RCMerchant on July 09, 2018, 07:28:56 PM
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But I ain't gonna f**k myself. That's just eyeball rolling stupid.
Of course! But, if you go to jail, you never know who might f**k you... :lookingup: :teddyr:
As far as ass rape goes in jail- it won't happen to you if you keep your mouth shut- if you need to open it-just say "f**k you,man."
I had some big f**ker try that s**t on me. Said he was gonna f**k me. I just told him- "Go ahead. I have a pencil. I'll stick it in yer ear when your sleeping."
He didn't believe me. The next day this Mexican was slapping my feet when I was trying to read with a ruler. I jumped from my top bunk and clothes lined him. Then he believed me. in haystacks- and I told the cell that once when I was playing cards.)"Haystack got heart!" I got him in a head lock and bite him. (My name was Haystack in jail- because before I went in I was sleeping I got thrown in the hole-with 30 days tacked on to a 45 day sentence.
You ready to do that?
For WHAT? That's a horrible place to live. I know you said once you were there.So you wanna GO BACK? Are you STUPID?
The only people who get ass f**ked are people who are stupid.
I'm only 5'2". I learned what to say and who to say it to. Jail don't care about your politics.
(of course I was an artist-gives you an edge in jail. For tats, Unicorns on there girlfreinds envlopes....being an artist really helped me. They like a guy who can use a homemade tat gun and draw a skull or swastika on there arm.I'd get cigs and peanut butter for that s**t!)
My ideals went out the window with lock-up. My job was to survive!
Quote from: ER on July 09, 2018, 12:30:25 PM
When I was in France I came to respect the legal system there, no juries, only a panel of judges. No theatrics from lawyers, no activist jurors, the law was strictly interpreted and enforced.
Speaking of which, I read the book Catch Me If You Can and I gotta say, the French were dang hardcore with their prisons. As I recall, they stuck that guy in a darkass cell naked and he was practically eaten alive by the bugs that were in there.
I mean, damn! Dunno if they still do that, but it's just not something I expected considering what I usually hear about European prisons.
Quote from: AoTFan on July 10, 2018, 10:02:27 AM
Quote from: ER on July 09, 2018, 12:30:25 PM
When I was in France I came to respect the legal system there, no juries, only a panel of judges. No theatrics from lawyers, no activist jurors, the law was strictly interpreted and enforced.
No juries? That sounds f**ked up. No legal representation?
That's f**ked up. Yeah- Our legal system ain't fair sometimes-but I'll be damned if I give it up for that. This is AMERICA. Just because bad people in power do bad things- doesn't mean I'm ready for a Fascist State! I still have faith in this country,and Democracy. And Trump's Nationalist garbage don't blind me.
ER- If you wanna believe in a Fascist goverment- why don't you go live in one? You could be the next Goebbels! :cheers:
I'm not a Republican. I'm not a Democrat. I'm an AMERICAN.
Someone just told me, "Hey, you have to go correct RC!"
I said, "Nah, I don't want to go back to BMDO two days in a row. I'll stop back next month or something and drop some more ER-isms on the place. Can't spoil the regulars, after all."
"No, poor RC got the wrong idea from what you wrote. He's distressed. It might even ruin his buzz for the day."
"Oh, well I can't have RC distressed after he scored marijuana with his son. I couldn't sleep if I thought I left RC with the wrong idea about another nation's legal system. I'll be right there!"
So, RC, dear soul, I said yesterday there were no juries (in French criminal trials), and I said no theatrics from lawyers (meaning to jurors as we have here). I didn't say there were no lawyers. Why lawyers are as common worldwide as, uh, songbirds and other lovely things. There are lawyers in France, trust me, lots and lots of them, and you have to hire them to do all sorts of things you take for granted that you can do for yourself in the US, like renting a house or buying a car. Even getting married is better done with a lawyer to cut through the red tape to get your license faster. Fortunately lawyers aren't required to see an obstetrician since I was pregnant over there, but a lot else needs a lawyer. Planting a garden requires a lawyer to get you the permit from the township. It's a very legally complex nation, France.
And trials in France are usually, as I understand it, presided over by three judges, which statistically results in more acquittals, I'm told, than does our jury system. I think I would rather have a learned legal scholar hearing my case than twelve strangers picked off voter rolls. Also their codified laws just make a lot of sense to me compared to our common law based on precedent. What if the precedent is bad, right? (Okay, Rev, I am probably butchering US law 101 but oh, well, lol.)
Also France is relatively leftist, not fascist, Ronny<----do I get good karma for spelling your name right instead of "Ronnie"? I would define fascism for clarity sake but I know you know what it is since you used it in a sentence.
And, jeez, RC, that was sort of a mean reply-post, dude, I'm basically a guest anymore. Where's the hospitality?
Okay, back to lunch I go. Peace and good luck to everyone here. Especially you, RC.
Called this morning, told not to come in today, call tomorrow. 1 down, 2 to go.
My state passed a 'moral conviction' law recently. You know those laws that legalize discrimination based on moral beliefs. So if I get called I will claim standing for a judge and showing respect for a system I believe is unjust violates my moral convictions.
Quote from: ER on July 10, 2018, 11:11:36 AM
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"No, poor RC got the wrong idea from what you wrote. He's distressed. It might even ruin his buzz for the day."
"Oh, well I can't have RC distressed after he scored marijuana with his son..."
Your specialty: potshot. You can't help yourself.
Quote from: Svengoolie 3 on July 10, 2018, 01:23:45 PM
Called this morning, told not to come in today, call tomorrow. 1 down, 2 to go.
My state passed a 'moral conviction' law recently. You know those laws that legalize discrimination based on moral beliefs. So if I get called I will claim standing for a judge and showing respect for a system I believe is unjust violates my moral convictions.
Let us know when you're going to jail. Or when you get out.
ER- I sure did score some pot with my son. Really good pot too. He's 25. He smokes a lot of pot. He's also a carpenter who makes 25 dollars an hour.
And I need your goodwill or approval like a need a hole in the head.
As far as someone telling you this? I call bulls**t. Don't try to plant seeds of distrust in me. Won't work. I'm barren to that kinda sneakiness.
I trust the folks on this board.
So someone-out of the blue- told you to correct me? :bouncegiggle:
So am I corrected? I don't fell corrected. :question:
You kill me, man.
And Sven- believe it or not- I like you, man. You got attitude. But- mellow out. You catch more flys with honey than you will with vinegar.
Quote from: RCMerchant on July 10, 2018, 08:27:23 PM
He's also a carpenter who makes 25 dollars an hour.
Wow: that's ZAR250 per hour: a good wage by my standards. :thumbup:
I get ZAR100 per hour: that's $10.
Quote from: Trevor on July 11, 2018, 07:24:55 AM
Quote from: RCMerchant on July 10, 2018, 08:27:23 PM
He's also a carpenter who makes 25 dollars an hour.
Wow: that's ZAR250 per hour: a good wage by my standards. :thumbup:
I get ZAR100 per hour: that's $10.
$25 dollars an hour is dam good money, in my book! I made $11.50 when I retired from Honee Bear Canning. After being there 30 years. That's NOT good money. I make just as much on SS!.
Not called today. I have talked to a local ACLU office and they said they'd back me on this as these "Moral/religious" freedom laws are written to allow people to discriminate against gays and non christians, so they've been looking for a case where someone took one of these laws and used it in a different way. Could have lead to a federal lawsuit.
Quote from: Svengoolie 3 on July 11, 2018, 02:15:12 PMCould have lead to a federal lawsuit.
But since you don't trust the court system . . .
RC I make $10/hour doing carpentry work, $25 is something that commercial carpenters make
And finally able to plan my days again,. called and told i had not been selected. Damn, I was almost hoping to be called, refuse to stand or moral objections and expose this law as simply a way to allow one group to ignore laws and discriminate because it could claim moral and religious objections but did not cover other groups. That might have been enough to get it ruled unconstitutional.
Well I can at least plan a day now...
QuoteAnd finally able to plan my days again,. called and told i had not been selected. Damn, I was almost hoping to be called, refuse to stand or moral objections and expose this law as simply a way to allow one group to ignore laws and discriminate because it could claim moral and religious objections but did not cover other groups. That might have been enough to get it ruled unconstitutional.
Did you really think that was going to happen?
You'd just get a fine for acting up in court. Maybe your protest would make news for a day or two if it's a slow news day, but it wouldn't go anywhere.
sven, YOU are exactly the king of twit who makes the rest of us liberals look bad. WE get to cach a load of crap and be treated like we're stupid,closeminded moochers on the system who use laws as an excuse to file a lawsuit for free money. :hatred: