I'm cooking out! With burgers, hot dogs, pork chops, beans, and tater salad! :thumbup:
Thank you, RC! Happy Labor Day to you, too, sir. :cheers:
Happy Holiday to everyone!
LABOR DAY cookout here too, steak, potato salad, corn on the cob...
Happy Labor Day.
and remember:
(https://pics.me.me/you-cant-wear-white-shoes-after-labor-day-35995428.png)
Quote from: claws on September 02, 2019, 11:52:39 AM
Happy Labor Day.
and remember:
(https://pics.me.me/you-cant-wear-white-shoes-after-labor-day-35995428.png)
Blah, rules. Don't wear white after Labor Day, don't drink red wine with white meat, don't shake a baby....blah blah blah.
Well, I didn't shake any babys- ate a lot of food..
Spent the whole day on the lake with friends. Wonderfully relaxing and restorative.
(And I found arrowheads!)
Working on an insane multi-meat lasagna right now-- marinated chicken, seasoned ground beef, bacon and pepperoni. Will bring some of it to work tomorrow for nursing staff/office workers to eat. Yummy!
Quote from: indianasmith on September 02, 2019, 09:33:06 PM
Spent the whole day on the lake with friends. Wonderfully relaxing and restorative.
(And I found arrowheads!)
Um, genuinely curious, indy. How's that arrowhead finding thing work? Seriously, one imagines that making an arrowhead by hand was a time and labor intensive practice. Not to mention potentially hazardous to one's fingers in an era before bactine and Band-Aids.
So, i'm curious as to how the indigenous north Americans just left their painstakingly (literally in many cases i'd bet) hand crafted weapons they needed to hunt food end up just laying scattered haphazardly across the landscape? I mean didn't they pick them up, check them for viability and reuse them as much as possible?
I just don't get how these ended up on tge ground in such numbers unless it was at the site of a last battle between the indigenous people and white invaders that none of the people using arrows survived to recover them.
I found them all the time in fields after farmers plowed up here in Michigan. I got some . You just need to go outside and dig in dirt in the country. Indians were here more years then we were.
If you live in the boonies- it ain't as hard as you think. Get out of the house once in a while and walk in the woods. It's good for you.
And they didn't lose them just after battles. They used them for hunting and fishing. And warring with other tribes. Indian history started waaay before white folks even knew wtf this place was.
Down in Texas, the Apaches were fighting Mexicans all the time. Before it was even called 'Texas'.
They were stealing s**t from each other- mostly horse's- left and right. They hated each other.
Prejudice does not just exist for white people. Indians fought each other for years and had wars with other tribes. We didn't invent war. Just like we didn't invent slavery. Slavery was a common practice in every country long before it found a place in America. We just talk about it-because it was here. We didn't invent genocide- we got good at it! Hitler did too! But the good old USA and the Nazi's weren't the first- it's all been going on for centuries. All over the world. Races ain't evil. PEOPLE are. And not all off them, just folks who are in control who wan't to keep it that way.
And how I turned this harmless 'HAPPY LABOR DAY' thing into a rant about what ever I am b***hing about is insane in itself.
Why am I even talking about this s**t? Oh yeah- Sven thinks all arrowheads are the result of war. :lookingup: They were mostly for hunting- not war. You watch too many movies.
Quote from: Svengoolie 3 on September 02, 2019, 11:40:26 PM
Quote from: indianasmith on September 02, 2019, 09:33:06 PM
Spent the whole day on the lake with friends. Wonderfully relaxing and restorative.
(And I found arrowheads!)
Um, genuinely curious, indy. How's that arrowhead finding thing work? Seriously, one imagines that making an arrowhead by hand was a time and labor intensive practice. Not to mention potentially hazardous to one's fingers in an era before bactine and Band-Aids.
So, i'm curious as to how the indigenous north Americans just left their painstakingly (literally in many cases i'd bet) hand crafted weapons they needed to hunt food end up just laying scattered haphazardly across the landscape? I mean didn't they pick them up, check them for viability and reuse them as much as possible?
Arrowheads were tools that the Indians made and used by the hundreds, if not thousands, over their lifetimes. Since Native Americans were here at least 13,000 years before Columbus, I once figured that if each NA lost/misplaced ONE point a year, and each hunter gatherer band was about 20-30 people, if a site was occupied for 5000 years . . . well, heck, do the math!
I just don't get how these ended up on tge ground in such numbers unless it was at the site of a last battle between the indigenous people and white invaders that none of the people using arrows survived to recover them.
Quote from: retrorussell on September 02, 2019, 11:10:10 PM
Working on an insane multi-meat lasagna right now-- marinated chicken, seasoned ground beef, bacon and pepperoni. Will bring some of it to work tomorrow for nursing staff/office workers to eat. Yummy!
*Loud tummy rumbles*
Quote from: indianasmith on September 03, 2019, 06:30:27 AM
Quote from: Svengoolie 3 on September 02, 2019, 11:40:26 PM
Quote from: indianasmith on September 02, 2019, 09:33:06 PM
Spent the whole day on the lake with friends. Wonderfully relaxing and restorative.
(And I found arrowheads!)
Um, genuinely curious, indy. How's that arrowhead finding thing work? Seriously, one imagines that making an arrowhead by hand was a time and labor intensive practice. Not to mention potentially hazardous to one's fingers in an era before bactine and Band-Aids.
So, i'm curious as to how the indigenous north Americans just left their painstakingly (literally in many cases i'd bet) hand crafted weapons they needed to hunt food end up just laying scattered haphazardly across the landscape? I mean didn't they pick them up, check them for viability and reuse them as much as possible?
Arrowheads were tools that the Indians made and used by the hundreds, if not thousands, over their lifetimes. Since Native Americans were here at least 13,000 years before Columbus, I once figured that if each NA lost/misplaced ONE point a year, and each hunter gatherer band was about 20-30 people, if a site was occupied for 5000 years . . . well, heck, do the math!
I just don't get how these ended up on tge ground in such numbers unless it was at the site of a last battle between the indigenous people and white invaders that none of the people using arrows survived to recover them.
The vast majority of "arrowheads" (a layman's term that includes spearpoints and knives as well as bow and arrow points) predate the contact era by hundreds, if not thousands, of years. Sometimes they were deliberately buried - either as grave offerings, or simply cached for later use. But with 13,000 years of occupation, normal use, loss, and spoilage places them in the grounds by the millions. Think about the average workshop/garage setup - if you screened the dirt around it carefully, how many screws, nails, and bolts would you find? And that's from 50 years of us. Multiply that number times 25 and see you many screws, nails, and bolts you add to it! Because flint never rots or rusts away. Once one of those things is dropped, it's in the ground forever, until someone recovers it.
Quote from: indianasmith on September 03, 2019, 04:43:46 PM
Quote from: indianasmith on September 03, 2019, 06:30:27 AM
Quote from: Svengoolie 3 on September 02, 2019, 11:40:26 PM
Quote from: indianasmith on September 02, 2019, 09:33:06 PM
Spent the whole day on the lake with friends. Wonderfully relaxing and restorative.
(And I found arrowheads!)
Um, genuinely curious, indy. How's that arrowhead finding thing work? Seriously, one imagines that making an arrowhead by hand was a time and labor intensive practice. Not to mention potentially hazardous to one's fingers in an era before bactine and Band-Aids.
So, i'm curious as to how the indigenous north Americans just left their painstakingly (literally in many cases i'd bet) hand crafted weapons they needed to hunt food end up just laying scattered haphazardly across the landscape? I mean didn't they pick them up, check them for viability and reuse them as much as possible?
Arrowheads were tools that the Indians made and used by the hundreds, if not thousands, over their lifetimes. Since Native Americans were here at least 13,000 years before Columbus, I once figured that if each NA lost/misplaced ONE point a year, and each hunter gatherer band was about 20-30 people, if a site was occupied for 5000 years . . . well, heck, do the math!
I just don't get how these ended up on tge ground in such numbers unless it was at the site of a last battle between the indigenous people and white invaders that none of the people using arrows survived to recover them.
The vast majority of "arrowheads" (a layman's term that includes spearpoints and knives as well as bow and arrow points) predate the contact era by hundreds, if not thousands, of years. Sometimes they were deliberately buried - either as grave offerings, or simply cached for later use. But with 13,000 years of occupation, normal use, loss, and spoilage places them in the grounds by the millions. Think about the average workshop/garage setup - if you screened the dirt around it carefully, how many screws, nails, and bolts would you find? And that's from 50 years of us. Multiply that number times 25 and see you many screws, nails, and bolts you add to it! Because flint never rots or rusts away. Once one of those things is dropped, it's in the ground forever, until someone recovers it.
Well that makes it a lot more clear now. Thanks.
Quote from: RCMerchant on September 03, 2019, 12:07:38 AM
I found them all the time in fields after farmers plowed up here in Michigan. I got some . You just need to go outside and dig in dirt in the country. Indians were here more years then we were.
If you live in the boonies- it ain't as hard as you think. Get out of the house once in a while and walk in the woods. It's good for you.
And they didn't lose them just after battles. They used them for hunting and fishing. And warring with other tribes. Indian history started waaay before white folks even knew wtf this place was.
Down in Texas, the Apaches were fighting Mexicans all the time. Before it was even called 'Texas'.
They were stealing s**t from each other- mostly horse's- left and right. They hated each other.
Prejudice does not just exist for white people. Indians fought each other for years and had wars with other tribes. We didn't invent war. Just like we didn't invent slavery. Slavery was a common practice in every country long before it found a place in America. We just talk about it-because it was here. We didn't invent genocide- we got good at it! Hitler did too! But the good old USA and the Nazi's weren't the first- it's all been going on for centuries. All over the world. Races ain't evil. PEOPLE are. And not all off them, just folks who are in control who wan't to keep it that way.
And how I turned this harmless 'HAPPY LABOR DAY' thing into a rant about what ever I am b***hing about is insane in itself.
Why am I even talking about this s**t? Oh yeah- Sven thinks all arrowheads are the result of war. :lookingup: They were mostly for hunting- not war. You watch too many movies.
I
did mention they used them in hunting for food, bat brain!
Back in 1996, one of our local reservoirs dropped 8 feet low because of a drought. This exposed an island that had been submerged since the lake filled in 1962. Wave action had melted about 3-4 feet of topsoil off of the top of it, and when it came out of the water, the first guys to discover it found over 3000 complete arrowheads in ONE MONTH. Then all the local collectors descended on it, and a couple thousand more points were found before the lake filled again. Three times since the island has gotten shallow enough for people to hunt it, and probably another couple thousand points have been found on it since, spanning in age from a couple of Clovis points (13,000 years old) to Caddoan arrow points (500-1000 years old). You can STILL find arrowheads there, but not as many now, of course. The Indians made TONS of these things!
To my eyes Cumberland points are the most beautiful of all lithic creations. Lovely and deadly, who could wish for more?
http://www.projectilepoints.net/Points/Cumberland.html (http://www.projectilepoints.net/Points/Cumberland.html)
There was a old dirt pit in a field way in back of our house near the woods we called the Indian Pit. Supposedly it was some kind of Indian settlement 100's of years ago. I found all sortsa arrowheads and stones with deep impressions in them, because they used them to grind grain. Mortars! That was when I was a teenager. I don't know what happened to all that stuff we found. I reckon the dirt pit is still there. In fact- I'm sure it is.