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Title: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: indianasmith on November 18, 2019, 07:42:11 PM
is posting snarky comments on my YouTube channel as "Barack Clinton," claiming that I "persecuted a person with a typing disability" and unjustly had him barred from our forum.  What a tool!
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Alex on November 19, 2019, 01:35:05 AM
Why be thought of as an idiot when he can remove all doubt and prove it.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Trevor on November 19, 2019, 01:40:01 AM
Quote from: indianasmith on November 18, 2019, 07:42:11 PM
is posting snarky comments on my YouTube channel as "Barack Clinton," claiming that I "persecuted a person with a typing disability" and unjustly had him barred from our forum.  What a tool!

If memory serves, there used to be a person on here with the Barack Clinton handle.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Gabriel Knight on November 19, 2019, 06:48:01 AM
Is there such thing as a "typing disability"?
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: indianasmith on November 19, 2019, 07:22:24 AM
Quote from: Trevor on November 19, 2019, 01:40:01 AM
Quote from: indianasmith on November 18, 2019, 07:42:11 PM
is posting snarky comments on my YouTube channel as "Barack Clinton," claiming that I "persecuted a person with a typing disability" and unjustly had him barred from our forum.  What a tool!

If memory serves, there used to be a person on here with the Barack Clinton handle.

A long time ago.  Rev. hinted that a regular user made up that handle for the sole purpose of arguing politics with me.
But that was before Sven's time.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Rev. Powell on November 19, 2019, 08:51:13 AM
Quote from: indianasmith on November 19, 2019, 07:22:24 AM
Quote from: Trevor on November 19, 2019, 01:40:01 AM
Quote from: indianasmith on November 18, 2019, 07:42:11 PM
is posting snarky comments on my YouTube channel as "Barack Clinton," claiming that I "persecuted a person with a typing disability" and unjustly had him barred from our forum.  What a tool!

If memory serves, there used to be a person on here with the Barack Clinton handle.

A long time ago.  Rev. hinted that a regular user made up that handle for the sole purpose of arguing politics with me.
But that was before Sven's time.

OK, I did some research. "Barrack Clinton" was banned because he was suspected by Andrew of being a sockpuppet of "Nukie 2," who was banned for trolling. If I had known this the other guy would have been banned sooner. We'll have to keep an eye out for him showing up with another alias.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: bob on November 19, 2019, 10:18:30 AM
Quote from: Gabriel Knight on November 19, 2019, 06:48:01 AM
Is there such thing as a "typing disability"?

I don't think so
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Alex on November 19, 2019, 11:58:46 AM
Indy, I won't do this unless you say it is ok but if you want anyone to pop onto your channel and answer him with some snarky comments of our own just let me know.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Rev. Powell on November 19, 2019, 12:03:15 PM
Quote from: Alex on November 19, 2019, 11:58:46 AM
Indy, I won't do this unless you say it is ok but if you want anyone to pop onto your channel and answer him with some snarky comments of our own just let me know.

Wow, he would LOVE that. You'd be giving him exactly the attention he wants.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Alex on November 19, 2019, 12:11:33 PM
That's why I am giving Indy the option.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: bob on November 19, 2019, 12:33:48 PM
Is there a way you can block him from viewing your videos and delete his comments on them?

If there is, that is what I would do if I were you.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Allhallowsday on November 19, 2019, 02:33:22 PM
That person only chooses you because you were found.  It's sad.  The worst thing a person can do to himself is to hold a grudge. 
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: chefzombie on November 19, 2019, 04:42:27 PM
i'm with rev& bob on this, don't give the troll the satisfaction of ANY reply, and block him. as much as i'd love to join alex in snarking back at him, he's really not worth it.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Olivia Bauer on November 19, 2019, 04:57:44 PM
Quote from: Rev. Powell on November 19, 2019, 08:51:13 AM
Quote from: indianasmith on November 19, 2019, 07:22:24 AM
Quote from: Trevor on November 19, 2019, 01:40:01 AM
Quote from: indianasmith on November 18, 2019, 07:42:11 PM
is posting snarky comments on my YouTube channel as "Barack Clinton," claiming that I "persecuted a person with a typing disability" and unjustly had him barred from our forum.  What a tool!

If memory serves, there used to be a person on here with the Barack Clinton handle.

A long time ago.  Rev. hinted that a regular user made up that handle for the sole purpose of arguing politics with me.
But that was before Sven's time.

OK, I did some research. "Barrack Clinton" was banned because he was suspected by Andrew of being a sockpuppet of "Nukie 2," who was banned for trolling. If I had known this the other guy would have been banned sooner. We'll have to keep an eye out for him showing up with another alias.

I remember someone called Nukie around here. Didn't know he was banned for trolling.

Quote from: indianasmith on November 18, 2019, 07:42:11 PM
is posting snarky comments on my YouTube channel as "Barack Clinton," claiming that I "persecuted a person with a typing disability" and unjustly had him barred from our forum.  What a tool!

Not sure what he means by "unjustly barred". I was told he was just given a temporary ban of five days. Did he get perma-banned?
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: chefzombie on November 19, 2019, 06:55:45 PM
as far i know, and as far as what's been posted here, NO. he's simply being a childish troll somewhere other than here, and going after indy because he hates christians. to my knowledge, andrew is the only person who can permafrost members, i don't think rev can, but he'll respond soon, i'm sure.* rev, i mean*
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Rev. Powell on November 19, 2019, 09:49:50 PM
I can permaban members, but I was just sending him a message the last time.

I think Nukie 2 was banned specifically for creating and trolling under the BarrackClinton sockpuppet, I'd have to go back and look at Andrew's notes to be sure.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Olivia Bauer on November 19, 2019, 10:47:06 PM
Quote from: Rev. Powell on November 19, 2019, 09:49:50 PM
I can permaban members, but I was just sending him a message the last time.

I think Nukie 2 was banned specifically for creating and trolling under the BarrackClinton sockpuppet, I'd have to go back and look at Andrew's notes to be sure.

If Nukie is Sven then it's a pretty long and elaborate troll. Early Sven posts weren't that bad, then he got mildly annoying, then he got really annoying, and then he caused a firestorm.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: indianasmith on November 19, 2019, 11:07:59 PM
That's the thing - he wasn't that bad when he started off, the occasional anti-Christian rant, but I'm used to those.
He just got more and more toxic, and his "arguments" were laced with so many factual and historical errors that he harmed his cause more than he helped it.  I did my best to get along with him, but it got to be too much.

I've never been more glad to see any member leave this forum!
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Olivia Bauer on November 20, 2019, 12:21:28 AM
Quote from: indianasmith on November 19, 2019, 11:07:59 PM
That's the thing - he wasn't that bad when he started off, the occasional anti-Christian rant, but I'm used to those.
He just got more and more toxic, and his "arguments" were laced with so many factual and historical errors that he harmed his cause more than he helped it.  I did my best to get along with him, but it got to be too much.

I've never been more glad to see any member leave this forum!

I don't like getting into fights on the internet and on this forum in particular I always try to take the high road in terms of differences.
Most of my disputes on this forum end in private messages where we come to an understanding. But Sven pushed every button I had.
It wasn't fun to post here anymore. Having that little brat gone is a massive weight off my chest.

I actually like posting here again.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Alex on November 20, 2019, 02:06:38 AM
Yeah, he made it an unpleasant place to be and is the reason I took a break from the forum. I had to decide if putting up with him was worth the effort or not. Much better atmosphere since he left.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: RCMerchant on November 20, 2019, 04:27:35 AM
Now all the pieces are beginning to fit...  :buggedout:
I remember Hillary Obama too!
I bet it was Sven!
Didn't Wyre Wizard sign in as someone else once under a false name?
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Olivia Bauer on November 20, 2019, 08:58:41 AM
Quote from: RCMerchant on November 20, 2019, 04:27:35 AM
Now all the pieces are beginning to fit...  :buggedout:
I remember Hillary Obama too!
I bet it was Sven!
Didn't Wyre Wizard sign in as someone else once under a false name?

Yes. He had an account with a Simon Cowell avatar, that's all I remember. Andrew threatened to ban him.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Olivia Bauer on November 20, 2019, 04:06:25 PM
It's him and I have proof.

(https://i.imgur.com/GaI0i5e.png)

Logicked is a very small YouTuber with only 124K subscribers. It's definitely him.
And of course he's stupid enough to make his liked videos public.

This is textbook harassment. I think it's officially time to give him a perma-ban.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Allhallowsday on November 20, 2019, 04:57:21 PM
Quote from: RCMerchant on November 20, 2019, 04:27:35 AM
Now all the pieces are beginning to fit...  :buggedout:
I remember Hillary Obama too!
...
Uhm, nobody else remembers "Hillary Obama"; it was Barack Clinton... 

Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Olivia Bauer on November 20, 2019, 05:29:34 PM
Quote from: Allhallowsday on November 20, 2019, 04:57:21 PM
Quote from: RCMerchant on November 20, 2019, 04:27:35 AM
Now all the pieces are beginning to fit...  :buggedout:
I remember Hillary Obama too!
...
Uhm, nobody else remembers "Hillary Obama"; it was Barack Clinton... 



Pretty sure that was a joke.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: indianasmith on November 20, 2019, 06:23:46 PM
I saw the note you left him on my YT channel.  he won't respond; he's left 3 comments there over the last 2 months. The others were an attempt to stir  debate, which I don't mind at all, even if they were antagonistic and riddled with errors as his attacks on Christianity usually are.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Olivia Bauer on November 20, 2019, 07:02:39 PM
Quote from: indianasmith on November 20, 2019, 06:23:46 PM
I saw the note you left him on my YT channel.  he won't respond; he's left 3 comments there over the last 2 months. The others were an attempt to stir  debate, which I don't mind at all, even if they were antagonistic and riddled with errors as his attacks on Christianity usually are.

I'm used to him ignoring me. But I'm sure he read it.
If he bugs you again, report him.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Gabriel Knight on November 21, 2019, 06:30:45 AM
Quote from: A.J. Bauer on November 20, 2019, 04:06:25 PM
It's him and I have proof.

Logicked is a very small YouTuber with only 124K subscribers. It's definitely him.
And of course he's stupid enough to make his liked videos public.

This is textbook harassment. I think it's officially time to give him a perma-ban.

What, he was part of the Flat Brain Earth movement?

That explains evritin! (read with Bela's voice from THE PHANTOM CREEPS)
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: RCMerchant on November 21, 2019, 09:17:54 AM
Quote from: Gabriel Knight on November 21, 2019, 06:30:45 AM
Quote from: A.J. Bauer on November 20, 2019, 04:06:25 PM
It's him and I have proof.

Logicked is a very small YouTuber with only 124K subscribers. It's definitely him.
And of course he's stupid enough to make his liked videos public.

This is textbook harassment. I think it's officially time to give him a perma-ban.

What, he was part of the Flat Brain Earth movement?

That explains evritin! (read with Bela's voice from THE PHANTOM CREEPS)

(https://i.imgur.com/nrkmsv2.gif) (https://lunapic.com)
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Olivia Bauer on November 21, 2019, 09:23:58 AM
Quote from: Gabriel Knight on November 21, 2019, 06:30:45 AM
Quote from: A.J. Bauer on November 20, 2019, 04:06:25 PM
It's him and I have proof.

Logicked is a very small YouTuber with only 124K subscribers. It's definitely him.
And of course he's stupid enough to make his liked videos public.

This is textbook harassment. I think it's officially time to give him a perma-ban.

What, he was part of the Flat Brain Earth movement?

That explains evritin! (read with Bela's voice from THE PHANTOM CREEPS)

Pretty sure Logicked isn't a flat-Earther. He just likes to respond to videos made by irrational idiots and present real science.
I haven't watched him in years but he's a legitimately good YouTuber. And, frankly, he probably wouldn't like Sven given his behavior.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: RCMerchant on November 21, 2019, 09:27:38 AM
I tried to get along with him.
Fvck 'em. He dug his own grave.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: RCMerchant on November 21, 2019, 10:10:05 AM
Quote from: A.J. Bauer on November 20, 2019, 08:58:41 AM
Quote from: RCMerchant on November 20, 2019, 04:27:35 AM
Now all the pieces are beginning to fit...  :buggedout:
I remember Hillary Obama too!
I bet it was Sven!
Didn't Wyre Wizard sign in as someone else once under a false name?

Yes. He had an account with a Simon Cowell avatar, that's all I remember. Andrew threatened to ban him.
Simon Cowell. Who wants to be Simon Cowell?  :question:
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Olivia Bauer on November 21, 2019, 11:29:19 AM
Quote from: RCMerchant on November 21, 2019, 10:10:05 AM
Quote from: A.J. Bauer on November 20, 2019, 08:58:41 AM
Quote from: RCMerchant on November 20, 2019, 04:27:35 AM
Now all the pieces are beginning to fit...  :buggedout:
I remember Hillary Obama too!
I bet it was Sven!
Didn't Wyre Wizard sign in as someone else once under a false name?

Yes. He had an account with a Simon Cowell avatar, that's all I remember. Andrew threatened to ban him.
Simon Cowell. Who wants to be Simon Cowell?  :question:

In the early to mid 2000s, basically everyone.
People really liked his "sassy" attitude. When really he was more toxic than a waste dump, faker than a Barbie doll, and more verbally abusive than Joan Crawford on a bad hair day.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Gabriel Knight on November 21, 2019, 12:15:51 PM
Quote from: A.J. Bauer on November 21, 2019, 09:23:58 AM
Quote from: Gabriel Knight on November 21, 2019, 06:30:45 AM
Quote from: A.J. Bauer on November 20, 2019, 04:06:25 PM
It's him and I have proof.

Logicked is a very small YouTuber with only 124K subscribers. It's definitely him.
And of course he's stupid enough to make his liked videos public.

This is textbook harassment. I think it's officially time to give him a perma-ban.

What, he was part of the Flat Brain Earth movement?

That explains evritin! (read with Bela's voice from THE PHANTOM CREEPS)

Pretty sure Logicked isn't a flat-Earther. He just likes to respond to videos made by irrational idiots and present real science.
I haven't watched him in years but he's a legitimately good YouTuber. And, frankly, he probably wouldn't like Sven given his behavior.

Yes, yes, you're right, I just saw the "facepalm" icon in the video title, I assume he's mocking them.
Still, Sven is a pretty solid candidate for the Flat Earth Society, won't you think?  :tongueout:
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Olivia Bauer on November 21, 2019, 12:21:39 PM
Quote from: Gabriel Knight on November 21, 2019, 12:15:51 PM
Quote from: A.J. Bauer on November 21, 2019, 09:23:58 AM
Quote from: Gabriel Knight on November 21, 2019, 06:30:45 AM
Quote from: A.J. Bauer on November 20, 2019, 04:06:25 PM
It's him and I have proof.

Logicked is a very small YouTuber with only 124K subscribers. It's definitely him.
And of course he's stupid enough to make his liked videos public.

This is textbook harassment. I think it's officially time to give him a perma-ban.

What, he was part of the Flat Brain Earth movement?

That explains evritin! (read with Bela's voice from THE PHANTOM CREEPS)

Pretty sure Logicked isn't a flat-Earther. He just likes to respond to videos made by irrational idiots and present real science.
I haven't watched him in years but he's a legitimately good YouTuber. And, frankly, he probably wouldn't like Sven given his behavior.

Yes, yes, you're right, I just saw the "facepalm" icon in the video title, I assume he's mocking them.
Still, Sven is a pretty solid candidate for the Flat Earth Society, won't you think?  :tongueout:

i tink that the eart is flat beacuase when you lok at thhe hori zon you cant see the curb of the earh.
its just proppeganda by the cihrstians to oprahes us in to beleiving taht god maed the ea rth rund fro us.
if teh errth was roud i would be chaseing that monkey ym hole lif.

hee lok i mate a tipo, evryone throw s**t at me! XXXX you guise!
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: RCMerchant on November 21, 2019, 05:18:31 PM
My son-in-law Jim thinks the earth is flat. He's out of his mind. When I tried to tell him his abduction f**king thing was sleep paralysis, which I have had, he tried to strangle me.
He's nuttier than a fruitcake.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: FatFreddysCat on November 21, 2019, 05:24:47 PM
Hold up .. Sven got the boot?

Did I miss a memo?

(shrug) He was a prince of a guy. He'll be missed.

...no wait. No he won't.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Olivia Bauer on November 21, 2019, 06:21:45 PM
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on November 21, 2019, 05:24:47 PM
Hold up .. Sven got the boot?

Did I miss a memo?

(shrug) He was a prince of a guy. He'll be missed.

...no wait. No he won't.

He got a temp ban for insulting RC after refusing to fix his grammar.
The ban was only for five days but Sven seemed to think it was a perma-ban.

He's probably going to get perma-banned now though because he just harassed Indy on YouTube.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: chefzombie on November 21, 2019, 08:31:44 PM
as much as i'd like to see him permafrosted too, i believe that would just get him to come back under a proxy IP, or just a different one, since even i know how t change mine anytime i choose.
  i DO think indy should report him on youtube, for sure.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Olivia Bauer on November 21, 2019, 09:36:12 PM
Quote from: chefzombie on November 21, 2019, 08:31:44 PM
as much as i'd like to see him permafrosted too, i believe that would just get him to come back under a proxy IP, or just a different one, since even i know how t change mine anytime i choose.
  i DO think indy should report him on youtube, for sure.

You could say that about anyone. If he comes back under another IP we'll figure out it's him when he tries to cause more trouble.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: chainsaw midget on November 21, 2019, 10:39:39 PM
We gave him a chance, then we gave him a second chance.  We've given the guy up to something like and 87th chance.  Permanent Ban the guy. 

If he comes back, ban him again.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Trevor on November 22, 2019, 04:00:39 AM
Quote from: A.J. Bauer on November 21, 2019, 12:21:39 PM


i tink that the eart is flat beacuase when you lok at thhe hori zon you cant see the curb of the earh.
its just proppeganda by the cihrstians to oprahes us in to beleiving taht god maed the ea rth rund fro us.
if teh errth was roud i would be chaseing that monkey ym hole lif.

hee lok i mate a tipo, evryone throw s**t at me! XXXX you guise!

:bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle:
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Gabriel Knight on November 22, 2019, 06:09:58 AM
Quote from: A.J. Bauer on November 21, 2019, 12:21:39 PM
Quote from: Gabriel Knight on November 21, 2019, 12:15:51 PM
Quote from: A.J. Bauer on November 21, 2019, 09:23:58 AM
Quote from: Gabriel Knight on November 21, 2019, 06:30:45 AM
Quote from: A.J. Bauer on November 20, 2019, 04:06:25 PM
It's him and I have proof.

Logicked is a very small YouTuber with only 124K subscribers. It's definitely him.
And of course he's stupid enough to make his liked videos public.

This is textbook harassment. I think it's officially time to give him a perma-ban.

What, he was part of the Flat Brain Earth movement?

That explains evritin! (read with Bela's voice from THE PHANTOM CREEPS)

Pretty sure Logicked isn't a flat-Earther. He just likes to respond to videos made by irrational idiots and present real science.
I haven't watched him in years but he's a legitimately good YouTuber. And, frankly, he probably wouldn't like Sven given his behavior.

Yes, yes, you're right, I just saw the "facepalm" icon in the video title, I assume he's mocking them.
Still, Sven is a pretty solid candidate for the Flat Earth Society, won't you think?  :tongueout:

i tink that the eart is flat beacuase when you lok at thhe hori zon you cant see the curb of the earh.
its just proppeganda by the cihrstians to oprahes us in to beleiving taht god maed the ea rth rund fro us.
if teh errth was roud i would be chaseing that monkey ym hole lif.

hee lok i mate a tipo, evryone throw s**t at me! XXXX you guise!

Just read it outloud in a YouTube video and get thousands of views!
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: bob on November 23, 2019, 10:01:59 PM
The s**t stain is back and sent me a message.

is he getting a permaban or what?

if not I'll be cutting back my time here and I'm guessing others will as well
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Olivia Bauer on November 23, 2019, 10:32:36 PM
Quote from: bob on November 23, 2019, 10:01:59 PM
The s**t stain is back and sent me a message.

is he getting a permaban or what?

if not I'll be cutting back my time here and I'm guessing others will as well

If he sent you a private message click "Report to admin" and Rev will probably see it.
Since Sven has actively harassed someone on another site I'm pretty sure he'll get a perma-ban.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: chefzombie on November 24, 2019, 02:28:18 AM
i'm with bob on this. i'll watch and see what happens, and back off if i feel the need.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Alex on November 24, 2019, 04:53:11 AM
Could you actually understand what he was saying? I mean he does have that typing disability.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: indianasmith on November 24, 2019, 09:59:33 AM
I miagene Vsen got his ponit ascrocc.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Trevor on November 24, 2019, 10:57:09 AM
Quote from: indianasmith on November 24, 2019, 09:59:33 AM
I miagene Vsen got his ponit ascrocc.

:teddyr: :teddyr:

eH dah pelh mfro ym sundie  :wink:
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Rev. Powell on November 24, 2019, 11:12:08 AM
Quote from: bob on November 23, 2019, 10:01:59 PM
The s**t stain is back and sent me a message.

is he getting a permaban or what?

if not I'll be cutting back my time here and I'm guessing others will as well

Send me a copy of what he wrote you please.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: Olivia Bauer on December 17, 2019, 10:40:29 AM
As a quick addendum before I decide to never speak of him again:

After I presented my proof that he and Barack Clinton are the same person, Sven set his liked videos to private. Too little, too late.

Okay. Done now.
Title: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named . . .
Post by: chefzombie on December 17, 2019, 10:10:05 PM
i don't think even he is arrogant enough to come back and expect acceptance...but then, i thought that about my brother too. my brother has been proven wrong lately..he'll die a lonely man, like sven will.