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Title: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: dcj2112 on August 05, 2020, 07:34:50 PM
I love reading about lost media but a lot of the time the discussions gravitate towards more well known stuff. Like that Silent Hitchcock movie set in rural America.

I'm curious about the super obscure bad stuff that the Wikipedia page on lost movies doesn't cover nor do similar places.

What made me think of this thread is listening to some Something Weird commentaries where they keep bringing up the Herschell Gordon Lewis movie The Year of the Yahoo as a lost movie. For those who don't know that movie was found not too long after those commentaries were recorded. You can pick it up as a double feature with another Lewis film, This Stuff'll Kill You, probably for under $15.
Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: LilCerberus on August 05, 2020, 07:47:07 PM
Lon Chaney's first movie was a western.
Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 05, 2020, 08:41:26 PM
Nest of the cuckoo bird was found recently, or some of it. I still haven't watched it.

I remember when Something Weird bought the only copy of The Bushwacker, which I then watched.
Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: LilCerberus on August 05, 2020, 08:51:42 PM
I can't remember the name of the site, but before social media took over, there was this one site that had a lot of these....

It had HWY: An American Pastoral (1969) by Jim Morrison, The Tony Clifton Show, and a page dedicated to The Day The Clown Cried years before anybody else was talking about it.
Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: RCMerchant on August 05, 2020, 08:58:23 PM
Quote from: LilCerberus on August 05, 2020, 08:51:42 PM
I can't remember the name of the site, but before social media took over, there was this one site that had a lot of these....

It had HWY: An American Pastoral (1969) by Jim Morrison, The Tony Clifton Show, and a page dedicated to The Day The Clown Cried years before anybody else was talking about it.

Maybe this site-?

https://www.lost-films.eu/ (https://www.lost-films.eu/)


Here's one from 1972- VOODOO HEARTBEAT. I also went under the title the SEX SERUM OF DR.BLAKE

(https://i.imgur.com/nryjQ7S.jpg) (https://lunapic.com)

You can see the trailer here-

https://lostmediawiki.com/Voodoo_Heartbeat_(partially_found_horror_film;_1973) (https://lostmediawiki.com/Voodoo_Heartbeat_(partially_found_horror_film;_1973))


Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: LilCerberus on August 05, 2020, 09:31:02 PM
Nah, the site I'm thinking of was American, & wound up doing it's self in with some of those preformatted web pages & blogs & what not....

I'm thinking it was (something) cinema) or cinema (something)...

A whole lot's changed, & I've gone through a few hard drives since then.
Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 05, 2020, 09:38:16 PM
4 Kings
No information.
Probably Thai, 1960s.
Only a trailer remains. 
Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: Alex on August 06, 2020, 12:30:21 AM
Possibly not a bad movie, but I'd love to see London After Midnight.
Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: claws on August 06, 2020, 12:59:24 AM
The original version of Doris Wishman's A Night to Dismember was believed to be lost - the print was destroyed by a disgruntled employee. Just a few years ago the films cameraman found a video master of the original cut in his garage or something. He uploaded it to youtube. Lost, but found again.
Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: Trevor on August 06, 2020, 02:17:02 AM
A lot of the so-called "subsidy features" made in SA during the 1980s were lost, either through over use or through the fact that the filmmakers didn't pay their lab bills and the labs destroyed the films. Many were archived with us but some weren't.
Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: RCMerchant on August 06, 2020, 10:50:19 AM
The WEIRD ONES (1962) is a lost horror/ comedy directed by comic book artist Pat Boyette ( who also directed the cheapie  the DUNGEON OF HARROW the same year.) The last know print was  destroyed in a garage fire.

(https://i.imgur.com/9H0jQku.jpg) (https://lunapic.com)

(https://i.imgur.com/CTcInjC.jpg) (https://lunapic.com)

Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: RCMerchant on August 06, 2020, 12:58:33 PM
Quote from: Alex on August 06, 2020, 12:30:21 AM
Possibly not a bad movie, but I'd love to see London After Midnight.

That's the Holy Grail of lost horror movies!

(https://i.imgur.com/ptQjDJ7.jpg) (https://lunapic.com)
Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: LilCerberus on August 06, 2020, 04:09:31 PM
Quote from: LilCerberus on August 05, 2020, 09:31:02 PM
Nah, the site I'm thinking of was American, & wound up doing it's self in with some of those preformatted web pages & blogs & what not....

I'm thinking it was (something) cinema) or cinema (something)...

A whole lot's changed, & I've gone through a few hard drives since then.

Found It!
It was subterranean cinema.
As I recall, they'd found a copy of the companion book that was supposed to accompany screenings of El Topo, & were working on a documentary, White Roses For Domino, intended as a companion piece to Domino (2005), but like I said, FaceBook & WordPress ruined it..........
Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: pennywise37 on August 06, 2020, 08:17:50 PM
there's a lot of lost movies i've been dying to see for years yes London after Midnight (1927) is one of them it's amazing that it did exist until (1967) when the fire occurred i know they say that was the last prints but i dunno they've found prints of how many movies that were going to be Destoryed sorry for the bad spelling,  Nosferatu (1922) is one for example that was ordered to be burned by Bram Stoker's Widow yet that was one lucky enough to still exist somehow so i'm hopeful that someone does have a print somewhere. more films are found than there i think used to be and certain ones that were found that were thought lost forever and how many of them have said all the prints had been lost?


and than it pops out of nowhere that a print shows up so i'm hopeful. Silent era is another good site as well
Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: LilCerberus on August 06, 2020, 08:27:10 PM
Street-Fighter (1959)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053311/ (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053311/)

Produced, Directed & Staring Vic Savage, AKA Art Nelson, several years before he made The Creeping Terror...

According to reports, there's only one very poor VHS transfer known to exist.
Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: RCMerchant on August 06, 2020, 11:10:18 PM
the HORROR (1932) by Bud Pollard is a lost classick!

(https://i.imgur.com/Gmt6ivt.jpg) (https://lunapic.com)

A partial print does exist!

http://youtu.be/uVAZ2pCopZE (http://youtu.be/uVAZ2pCopZE)
Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: pennywise37 on August 07, 2020, 04:04:21 AM
when i hear it's partly found i'm hopeful you know there's actually a lot of Hitch's films lost, one was a short he did in (1930) and the rest are his silents both behind the camera and before he became a director and was a Title Designer
Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: RCMerchant on August 07, 2020, 11:31:23 PM
A lost film I would love to see is Lon Chaney's A BLIND BARGAIN (1922)

(https://i.imgur.com/I04H9GQ.jpg) (https://lunapic.com)
Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: RCMerchant on August 08, 2020, 12:10:05 AM
Quote from: LilCerberus on August 06, 2020, 08:27:10 PM
Street-Fighter (1959)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053311/ (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053311/)

Produced, Directed & Staring Vic Savage, AKA Art Nelson, several years before he made The Creeping Terror...

According to reports, there's only one very poor VHS transfer known to exist.

I seen it! On tape! A looong time ago- like 1989. From a company like Video Search of Miami.

(https://i.imgur.com/d2rxrWa.jpg) (https://lunapic.com)
Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: LilCerberus on August 08, 2020, 11:34:33 AM
^Any good? Or cheesy? Or awful?^
Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: RCMerchant on August 08, 2020, 12:59:53 PM
Not any kind of good. Not even 'Bad' good.
Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: FatFreddysCat on August 08, 2020, 06:45:22 PM
I've read that many of cult no-budget horror/sexploitation director Andy Milligan's early films are lost.

...though if what little I've seen of his work that's survived is any indication, that may not be such a bad thing. That guy couldn't direct traffic. :D
Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: pennywise37 on August 09, 2020, 04:57:58 AM
if i recall wasn't some of his films found in recent years and those are the ones that are now on blu-ray?  i've never seen anything he's done so ya got me on how  god or bad his films are.
Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: RCMerchant on August 10, 2020, 01:57:07 AM
Here's a lost one I don't want to see...!

HIM (1974)- A gay porno about...Jesus?!?  :buggedout:

(https://i.imgur.com/KXq75eI.jpg) (https://lunapic.com)
Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: zombie no.one on August 10, 2020, 04:00:30 AM
Quote from: RCMerchant on August 06, 2020, 10:50:19 AM

(https://i.imgur.com/9H0jQku.jpg) (https://lunapic.com)

"THE ACTORS AND MONSTERS ACTUALLY LEAVE THE SCREEN AND COME OUT INTO THE AUDIENCE"

s'pose this begs the question, are those actors and monsters lost as well ?  :teddyr:
Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: pacman000 on August 29, 2020, 01:53:19 PM
The Cure for Insomnia, listed by Guinness World Records as the longest movie ever made for years, apparently has no known extant copies.

Miracle of the White Reindeer - Saw this listed on KiddieMatinee's archive, with a note that they couldn't find a copy of the film. They contacted the daughter of the film's director, & her family didn't have a copy either. Seems like it was only released locally in the early 60's, as sort of a passion project by the girl's father. Makes me want to see it, but I doubt it still exists.
Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: Trevor on August 29, 2020, 02:13:00 PM
There was a SA movie made in the late 70s called "Mighty Man" - a black superhero righting wrongs in South Africa - which I get asked  about a bit: it seems to be a lost film as we don;t have it. It was directed by the person who made The Demon.
Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: Alex on August 29, 2020, 03:27:50 PM
I tried watching The Demon today, but the picture quality on the copy was so poor I couldn't see what was happening on screen alas.
Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: pacman000 on August 29, 2020, 04:13:03 PM
Most of Spencer William's films have been found, but Brother Martin: Servant of Jesus, is still lost.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/98/Brothermartin.jpg)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Brothermartin.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spencer_Williams_(actor)
Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: Trevor on August 29, 2020, 04:16:50 PM
Quote from: Alex on August 29, 2020, 03:27:50 PM
I tried watching The Demon today, but the picture quality on the copy was so poor I couldn't see what was happening on screen alas.

My mentor Vincent G Cox ASC photographed that.  :teddyr: :teddyr:
Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: Jim H on August 31, 2020, 09:39:48 AM
Quote from: Trevor on August 29, 2020, 02:13:00 PM
There was a SA movie made in the late 70s called "Mighty Man" - a black superhero righting wrongs in South Africa - which I get asked  about a bit: it seems to be a lost film as we don;t have it. It was directed by the person who made The Demon.

That legitimately sounds pretty interesting.  Too bad. 

Does remind me..  I suspect there's a lot more lost films outside the typical scope of things that I hear about, or indeed many on this board in the anglosphere. 

For example, some of the Shaw Brothers films, some of them never got a home video release, and while I think they archived all their negatives I remember hearing some were in such bad shape when IVL/Celestial was releasing them remastered on DVD and Bluray, some couldn't even be transferred.  I would hazard a guess that includes the ones never put out on home video, as they'd been sitting in place untouched for so long. 

They're probably some of their crappier titles too, as Shaw dug pretty deep when releasing their films on video over the years, almost everything that seemed remotely interesting got put out.  And that's from Shaw, a legit fully featured studio that had worldwide releases. 
Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: dcj2112 on August 31, 2020, 09:50:34 AM
Quote from: Jim H on August 31, 2020, 09:39:48 AM
Quote from: Trevor on August 29, 2020, 02:13:00 PM
There was a SA movie made in the late 70s called "Mighty Man" - a black superhero righting wrongs in South Africa - which I get asked  about a bit: it seems to be a lost film as we don;t have it. It was directed by the person who made The Demon.

That legitimately sounds pretty interesting.  Too bad. 

Does remind me..  I suspect there's a lot more lost films outside the typical scope of things that I hear about, or indeed many on this board in the anglosphere. 

For example, some of the Shaw Brothers films, some of them never got a home video release, and while I think they archived all their negatives I remember hearing some were in such bad shape when IVL/Celestial was releasing them remastered on DVD and Bluray, some couldn't even be transferred.  I would hazard a guess that includes the ones never put out on home video, as they'd been sitting in place untouched for so long. 

They're probably some of their crappier titles too, as Shaw dug pretty deep when releasing their films on video over the years, almost everything that seemed remotely interesting got put out.  And that's from Shaw, a legit fully featured studio that had worldwide releases. 

That makes me think of another thing I'd do if I had a ton of money and all the free time in the world. I'd love to buy old film vaults/storage units and search through them until I find the odd lost film. I'm sure for older films it would be slim pickings these days as so many have been found and the ones that haven't been just don't exist anymore. But for ones that haven't been recovered yet you do here of SOME still turning up all these decades later.

Then as you mentioned Shaws was an actual studio. With home video cameras become more and more sophisticated during the 1980s I'm wondering how many no budget things are out there that have just never seen the light of day. You know things that just feature nobodies and you're lucky if any production values were put into the things. I mean we're bad movie fans damn it! I'm sure there's a bunch of old so bad they're good things out there that we'd get a kick out of but we'll just never know about.
Title: Re: Lost Bad Movies
Post by: Jim H on August 31, 2020, 11:22:32 AM
Quote from: dcj2112 on August 31, 2020, 09:50:34 AM
Quote from: Jim H on August 31, 2020, 09:39:48 AM
Quote from: Trevor on August 29, 2020, 02:13:00 PM
There was a SA movie made in the late 70s called "Mighty Man" - a black superhero righting wrongs in South Africa - which I get asked  about a bit: it seems to be a lost film as we don;t have it. It was directed by the person who made The Demon.

That legitimately sounds pretty interesting.  Too bad. 

Does remind me..  I suspect there's a lot more lost films outside the typical scope of things that I hear about, or indeed many on this board in the anglosphere. 

For example, some of the Shaw Brothers films, some of them never got a home video release, and while I think they archived all their negatives I remember hearing some were in such bad shape when IVL/Celestial was releasing them remastered on DVD and Bluray, some couldn't even be transferred.  I would hazard a guess that includes the ones never put out on home video, as they'd been sitting in place untouched for so long. 

They're probably some of their crappier titles too, as Shaw dug pretty deep when releasing their films on video over the years, almost everything that seemed remotely interesting got put out.  And that's from Shaw, a legit fully featured studio that had worldwide releases. 

That makes me think of another thing I'd do if I had a ton of money and all the free time in the world. I'd love to buy old film vaults/storage units and search through them until I find the odd lost film. I'm sure for older films it would be slim pickings these days as so many have been found and the ones that haven't been just don't exist anymore. But for ones that haven't been recovered yet you do here of SOME still turning up all these decades later.

Then as you mentioned Shaws was an actual studio. With home video cameras become more and more sophisticated during the 1980s I'm wondering how many no budget things are out there that have just never seen the light of day. You know things that just feature nobodies and you're lucky if any production values were put into the things. I mean we're bad movie fans damn it! I'm sure there's a bunch of old so bad they're good things out there that we'd get a kick out of but we'll just never know about.

Yeah, that'd be a good project.  I definitely suspect there are still a decent number of lost films that will be recovered - they still occasionally find some mislabeled (or unlabeled) even in very good film archives, and there are still huge archives out there.  A Melies short was discovered in a Czech vault in 2016 for instance, just on a random reel.  Very occasionally one will turn up in an attic, barn, or storage locker facility as well. 

Also, talking about small films just reminds me of Wicked World.  I gather it did get some kind of tiny VHS release, but for the most part it couldn't be found until last year.  I'm sure you're right, that there's more of those sorts of films that haven't made there way to us yet - some more will probably get pushed out onto streaming platforms eventually, or boutique Blurays.