Did Donald Trump foment insurrection?
I am interested in opinions. If this thread becomes a problem, I will delete it.
Yes.
And I am not basing my opinion on politics.
Like Joe Friday would say- "just the facts".
No.
His verbiage included "peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard". He did also say "we are going to fight like hell or we won't have a country anymore" and "we won this election and we won it by a landslide", and "we will never give up; we will not concede, that doesn't happen".
My thoughts:
Maxine Waters and other Democrats have said the same or worse (about BLM) but never get any flack (and BLM caused far more violence and property damage).
Also, Trump did have a pretty good lead (I don't know about "landslide") and it closed right at the end.
Trump is an arrogant blowhard, I will admit. But I also think the economy would have been far better off and I think he may have prevented the war in Ukraine, and therefore 5 plus dollars a gallon. And I loved that he held reporters accountable.
Thanks for accepting opinions on this dicey topic.
Well, first of all, it's been established that the rioters were at the capital twenty minutes before trump started speaking...
There were also requests for additional security in the days leading up to j6 from trump, members of his staff, Former Capitol Police chief Steven Sund, as well as former SGT At Arms Paul Irving, & the late Michael Stenger.... All of which were denied by Nancy Pelosi & DC Mayor Muriel Bowser...
AND, there's plenty of footage of outside instigators, most notably, left wing journalist John Sullivan, but also a man named Ray Epps, who somehow went from public enemy number one to completely disappearing from the FBI's radar, as well as a number of other people with bullhorns that they're not even looking for, just the ones that posed for selfies.....
Yes, the proud boys were there, but I kinda doubt they were acting under trumps instructions...
Quote from: LilCerberus on July 03, 2022, 03:08:48 PM
Well, first of all, it's been established that the rioters were at the capital twenty minutes before trump started speaking...
There were also requests for additional security in the days leading up to j6 from trump, members of his staff, Former Capitol Police chief Steven Sund, as well as former SGT At Arms Paul Irving, & the late Michael Stenger.... All of which were denied by Nancy Pelosi & DC Mayor Muriel Bowser...
AND, there's plenty of footage of outside instigators, most notably, left wing journalist John Sullivan, but also a man named Ray Epps, who somehow went from public enemy number one to completely disappearing from the FBI's radar, as well as a number of other people with bullhorns that they're not even looking for, just the ones that posed for selfies.....
Yes, the proud boys were there, but I kinda doubt they were acting under trumps instructions...
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obviously
100% YES!!!
He is a domestic enemy of the United States, and this thing was well planned in advance by his supporters.
Not attacking anyone on this thread, but these hearings have absolutely shown Trump's guilt.
To borrow a phrase, LOCK HIM UP!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: indianasmith on July 03, 2022, 05:53:04 PM
100% YES!!!
He is a domestic enemy of the United States, and this thing was well planned in advance by his supporters.
Not attacking anyone on this thread, but these hearings have absolutely shown Trump's guilt.
To borrow a phrase, LOCK HIM UP!!!!!!!!!
But these hearings lack legitimacy because pelosi rejected bipartisanship & installed a liberal majority (seven democrats & two RINOs) only has nine members instead of twelve, & lacks a minority reprehensive.... All of which are unlawful....
Not to mention, their star witness, Cassidy Hutchinson, has been caught relating hearsay, which the people she heard it from are disputing, was caught lying about certain first hand accounts, and was caught lying about a memo she claims to have written by both the man who wrote it, AND the man who told him to write it....
If this were an actual court of law, pelosi would find herself on the witness stand having to answer why requests for additional security were denied.
^ " When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's amore...!"
Are you in love with this guy or something? What's the deal when time and again he is found to be full of s**t, yet you continue to quote blithering nonsense?
If he's innocent- why won't he testify? And why have most of his cronys plead the 5th? It's like me going to a liquer store-.
" Fith. and some Juju Fruits."
This thread could work if, no matter how emotional you get, you simply state your opinion and do not respond to other posters. Otherwise, the chance of a flame war approaches 100%. (We may already be there).
If I were a prosecutor I think I could make a case for Trump being guilty of seditious conspiracy. I doubt it would be possible to find a jury to convict him. But more evidence will come out.
In a non-legal sense, yes, he fomented insurrection. No other president in history has failed to concede after losing an election and exhausting legal remedies. No lame duck President scheduled a rally on the date of his successor's formal electoral tally, promising that such a rally would be "wild." The most charitable characterization of Trump's behavior that day is "reckless."
Quote from: LilCerberus on July 03, 2022, 06:14:45 PM
Quote from: indianasmith on July 03, 2022, 05:53:04 PM
100% YES!!!
He is a domestic enemy of the United States, and this thing was well planned in advance by his supporters.
Not attacking anyone on this thread, but these hearings have absolutely shown Trump's guilt.
To borrow a phrase, LOCK HIM UP!!!!!!!!!
But these hearings lack legitimacy because pelosi rejected bipartisanship & installed a liberal majority (seven democrats & two RINOs) only has nine members instead of twelve, & lacks a minority reprehensive.... All of which are unlawful....
Not to mention, their star witness, Cassidy Hutchinson, has been caught relating hearsay, which the people she heard it from are disputing, was caught lying about certain first hand accounts, and was caught lying about a memo she claims to have written by both the man who wrote it, AND the man who told him to write it....
If this were an actual court of law, pelosi would find herself on the witness stand having to answer why requests for additional security were denied.
You registered your opinion; I registered mine, that's how polls work.
If this turns into a debate/argument, it will just get ugly and get it shut down. Let the others weigh in, and let's see where a majority of opinions fall.
That's what polls are for.
Well, I guess it is a "poll" though I was merely thinking of an opportunity for us all to talk about it.
There is no flame war. I promise I will remove the thread if real arguing ensues. Debate is okay in polite parameters. :smile:
Quote from: Allhallowsday on July 03, 2022, 08:29:37 PM
Well, I guess it is a "poll" though I was merely thinking of an opportunity for us all to talk about it.
There is no flame war. I promise I will remove the thread if real arguing ensues. Debate is okay in polite parameters. :smile:
RC already accused Lil Cerb of " blithering nonsense." Can Lil Cerb resist responding and escalating? We've seen this before, it always plays out the same way.
Yes, trump can be boorish, but one should also take into account the hatred & vitriol spewed forth by maxine waters on her bullhorn, calling for violence against trump supporters, how this call was answered by Sarah Sanders getting chased out of restaurants & even a movie about Mr Rogers, or how people who wore the wrong color baseball cap could find themselves under attack no matter what was written on it....
And while trump was the first sitting president not to concede an election, he is the first candidate to be denied a substantive recount...
Remember, Al Gore got his, Hillary got hers & still claims 2016 was stolen, And Stacy Abrams is still convinced she won in 2018 even though it's been disproven, yet she somehow became some media darling.....
And let's not forget the violence....
There was a riot on Jan 20, 2017, the day trump was inaugurated, but it was downplayed by a lot of news outlets...
Then the congressional baseball shooting of june 14 that same year, which by all outward appearances should've been considered an act of terrorism, but was first written off as workplace violence, then suicide by cop (even though there were no "uniformed" police there at the time)...
And of course the permissive attitude towards the Floyd riots, in which federal building were breached, vandalized, damaged or destroyed.... Don't call it a whataboutism, don't try pretending j6 was worse or not the same thing, I witnessed evil in the summer of 2020, and ever since, I've had to listen to haters trying to tell me it was good & right.
Sum up four years of that crap, & you've got frustrated conservatives with outside instigators who knew exactly how to stir them up, and and Nancy Pelosi knew exactly what she was doing by turning down requests for more security!
Oh my goodness, LilCerb, please lay off. You are talking about many subjects. I have not seen you answer the original question.
As an outsider and a political neutral, I was shocked at what happened at the Capitol. :buggedout:
Quote from: Allhallowsday on July 03, 2022, 09:42:33 PM
Oh my goodness, LilCerb, please lay off. You are talking about many subjects. I have not seen you answer the original question.
^The reason I said 'blithering nonsense." What he said had nothing to do with the subject at hand.
He never answered the original question.
Just..well..blithering nonsense. Your answer should have at least one refrence to the original question.
Yes or no.
I said yes. You said a lot- but then again said nothing.
Except well worn rhetoric.
On the issue of "fomenting", no, trumps words have been nitpicked by leftists that want to pretend nobody on their side ever used these specific words or phrases, or that these specific words or phrases can only mean violent behavior when a republican says them, but it's okay when they do it....
What I've always believed "fomented" j6, was a multifaceted series of abusive & entitled behavior over the previous four years by radical leftists that came to a head that day....
If you want to know who's "Fault" I think it was, it would be Nancy Pelosi for turning down numerous requests for security from multiple individuals....
This was made clear when she personally hand picked seven individuals known more for their hatred of one man than their oaths to the constitution to run the j6 committee in lieu of a bipartisan committee.
Clearly.
Forum members, please do not repeat yourself in this thread. Once your point is typed, it is there for all to read. Repetition becomes a harangue.
As suggested, state opinion, move on. :thumbup:
The House Select Committee to investigate was bipartisan and the majority of Republicans voted against its formation; 10 did not, two of which are on the committee.
The damage done by an individual to our democracy was unthinkable for all of United States history. Many Republican politicians are afraid.
I believe that donald trump fomented insurrection.
The reason the republicans tried to stop the formation of the committee, was because pelosi rejected the republican picks, and said that she was going to hand pick the republican chairs.
There is zero evidence of President Trump inciting an insurrection. There is not one recording of him ever saying "Let's storm the Capitol building". Not once.
Nor is there ANY evidence of the protesters forcibly taking over the Capitol building. There is footage of the police removing the barricades. There is footage of the protesters walking in civily. The only two incidents I know of were somone s**tting on the floor inside the building and some idiot stealing the portrait of Dick Cheney (???? why?) There was one crazy woman smashing a window open..and attempting to climb in. No one followed her.
None of these moments even come close to warranting an investigation for "insurrection".
Class dismissed.
PS, these are the actual facts ... I will not bother entertaining reading any responses because I've heard all the lies and excuses already.
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Quote from: kornula on July 04, 2022, 09:28:57 PM
There is zero evidence of President Trump inciting an insurrection. There is not one recording of him ever saying "Let's storm the Capitol building". Not once.
Nor is there ANY evidence of the protesters forcibly taking over the Capitol building. There is footage of the police removing the barricades. There is footage of the protesters walking in civily. The only two incidents I know of were somone s**tting on the floor inside the building and some idiot stealing the portrait of Dick Cheney (???? why?) There was one crazy woman smashing a window open..and attempting to climb in. No one followed her.
None of these moments even come close to warranting an investigation for "insurrection".
Class dismissed.
PS, these are the actual facts ... I will not bother entertaining reading any responses because I've heard all the lies and excuses already.
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He did.
Trump inflamed hate rhetoric from the campaign trail, and much more so once he had the platform of office.
There's plenty of evidence to show that he was doing whatever he could do to try to stay in office. More such evidence will come.
It wouldn't have been Trump's style to just leave. Look at it from a pro wrestling perspective
^ The only simularity between Trump and Wrestling is they all talk s**t, and stupid people believe it.
Quote from: RCMerchant on July 12, 2022, 01:21:37 PM
^ The only simularity between Trump and Wrestling is they all talk s**t, and stupid people believe it.
Well, I don't quite agree. There is also oil, oiliness, sweating, tantrums, and flab...!
The fact that someone felt obligated to bring up this question after a year & a half while the rest of us are busy watching the most delusional administration in history deliberately run this nations transportation & energy sectors into the ground, while denying the economy is in the toilet makes me wonder who it really is that has a unhealthy obsession with some former president.....
The fact that I couldn't share a rather amusing story about the Nor'Ks & Burritos without to rather obvious individuals hijacking the thread in order to make it about how much they hated the former president makes me wonder who it is that loves to wonder off topic....
When I try to share a funny story about putin pulling a portly general out of retirement, and someone posts a homoerotic fantasy photo of Trump as Fat Bastard from Austin Powers makes me wonder who it really is that has some weird, unhealthy love interest in the former president.....
Maybe it's high time you started keeping your perverted obsession to yourselves, and let the rest of us have some fun goofing on this old fart who just made up a really long word, needed notes on how to walk into a room, and doesn't know what parts of a teleprompter he's NOT supposed to read...
The fact that you did the same with Obama for years after he was out of power, and are now complaining about other people doing the exact same thing makes me chuckle.
I find it mind-blowing that anyone does not consider Trump an on-going concern. :buggedout:
Quote from: LilCerberus on July 12, 2022, 08:27:27 PM
and someone posts a homoerotic fantasy photo of Trump as Fat Bastard from Austin Powers makes me wonder who it really is that has some weird, unhealthy love interest in the former president.....
You found that 'homoerotic? I'm happy you found Trump as Fat Bastard erotic.
Myself, I prefer Trump with his space age hand held missile launcher.
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Quote from: RCMerchant on July 13, 2022, 09:24:07 AM
Quote from: LilCerberus on July 12, 2022, 08:27:27 PM
and someone posts a homoerotic fantasy photo of Trump as Fat Bastard from Austin Powers makes me wonder who it really is that has some weird, unhealthy love interest in the former president.....
You found that 'homoerotic? I'm happy you found Trump as Fat Bastard erotic.
Myself, I prefer Trump with his space age hand held missile launcher.
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...eh...heh
Quote from: LilCerberus on July 13, 2022, 02:09:40 PM
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and what does this have to do with the topic exactly
Quote from: bob on July 14, 2022, 04:25:08 PM
Quote from: LilCerberus on July 13, 2022, 02:09:40 PM
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and what does this have to do with the topic exactly
Either you haven't been paying attention, or you are way too obsessed with your perverted fixation on orange man.
^ Bob- it's a meme that mocks Jill Biden's stupid comments on Hispanics. It has no connection to Jan.6 whatsoever.
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Quote from: RCMerchant on July 14, 2022, 07:26:26 PM
^ Bob- it's a meme that mocks Jill Biden's stupid comments on Hispanics. It has no connection to Jan.6 whatsoever.
And yet, unless one agrees in lockstep with those who "DO" believe j6 is all orange man's fault, they still find themselves being accused of not addressing the subject....
...and you continue to avoid answering the original question...
Quote from: RCMerchant on July 14, 2022, 08:22:48 PM
...and you continue to avoid answering the original question...
Case in point....
I'm not giving the answer you want.....
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RC and LILCERB this thread is for everybody's opinion and you have both made your opinions clear.
We got it. Stop hijacking the thread or I'll have to lock it as I promised at the beginning. :thumbup: :smile:
CORRECTION: The only thing I can do is DELETE the thread and that's because I started it.
Quote from: Allhallowsday on July 14, 2022, 08:38:51 PM
RC and LILCERB this thread is for everybody's opinion and you have both made your opinions clear.
We got it. Stop hijacking the thread or I'll have to lock it as I promised at the beginning. :thumbup: :smile:
CORRECTION: The only thing I can do is DELETE the thread and that's because I started it.
Why? What's the matter?
Do we not like having the mirror turned on us when we don't like someone else's point of view?
Is everyone supposed to believe that that disagreeing with you is somehow not an answer?
Did we get our wittle feewings hurt?
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No, he's saying that you have registered your opinion, and are still insisting on arguing and debating with all who disagree with you, thereby discouraging other members from giving their own opinions, which was the point of the thread.
Start your own thread if you aren't going to honor the OP's rules for this one.
Or just do us all a favor and leave.
Quote from: LilCerberus on July 14, 2022, 09:12:15 PM
Quote from: Allhallowsday on July 14, 2022, 08:38:51 PM
RC and LILCERB this thread is for everybody's opinion and you have both made your opinions clear.
We got it. Stop hijacking the thread or I'll have to lock it as I promised at the beginning. :thumbup: :smile:
CORRECTION: The only thing I can do is DELETE the thread and that's because I started it.
Why? What's the matter?
Do we not like having the mirror turned on us when we don't like someone else's point of view?
Is everyone supposed to believe that that disagreeing with you is somehow not an answer?
Did we get our wittle feewings hurt?...
No. You are being insulting. I now ask
REV to lock the thread or I will have to delete.
Quote from: Allhallowsday on July 14, 2022, 08:38:51 PM
RC and LILCERB this thread is for everybody's opinion and you have both made your opinions clear.
We got it. Stop hijacking the thread or I'll have to lock it as I promised at the beginning. :thumbup: :smile:
CORRECTION: The only thing I can do is DELETE the thread and that's because I started it.
Ask me and I'll lock it.
Quote from: Rev. Powell on July 15, 2022, 07:50:03 AM
Quote from: Allhallowsday on July 14, 2022, 08:38:51 PM
RC and LILCERB this thread is for everybody's opinion and you have both made your opinions clear.
We got it. Stop hijacking the thread or I'll have to lock it as I promised at the beginning. :thumbup: :smile:
CORRECTION: The only thing I can do is DELETE the thread and that's because I started it.
Ask me and I'll lock it.
Please lock it and sorry to trouble you.
Quote from: indianasmith on July 14, 2022, 10:06:11 PM
No, he's saying that you have registered your opinion, and are still insisting on arguing and debating with all who disagree with you, thereby discouraging other members from giving their own opinions, which was the point of the thread.
Start your own thread if you aren't going to honor the OP's rules for this one.
Or just do us all a favor and leave.
I've registered my opinion several times & was told I hadn't!
You need to make up your minds!
And as I've said before, I keep getting my posts & threads hijacked by trump hatred for no reason!
Quote from: Allhallowsday on July 14, 2022, 11:15:04 PM
Quote from: LilCerberus on July 14, 2022, 09:12:15 PM
Quote from: Allhallowsday on July 14, 2022, 08:38:51 PM
RC and LILCERB this thread is for everybody's opinion and you have both made your opinions clear.
We got it. Stop hijacking the thread or I'll have to lock it as I promised at the beginning. :thumbup: :smile:
CORRECTION: The only thing I can do is DELETE the thread and that's because I started it.
Why? What's the matter?
Do we not like having the mirror turned on us when we don't like someone else's point of view?
Is everyone supposed to believe that that disagreeing with you is somehow not an answer?
Did we get our wittle feewings hurt?...
No. You are being insulting. I now ask REV to lock the thread or I will have to delete.
Right!
So it's okay when you do it....
I'll remember that in future..... :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle:
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Quote from: Allhallowsday on July 15, 2022, 10:36:38 AM
Quote from: Rev. Powell on July 15, 2022, 07:50:03 AM
Quote from: Allhallowsday on July 14, 2022, 08:38:51 PM
RC and LILCERB this thread is for everybody's opinion and you have both made your opinions clear.
We got it. Stop hijacking the thread or I'll have to lock it as I promised at the beginning. :thumbup: :smile:
CORRECTION: The only thing I can do is DELETE the thread and that's because I started it.
Ask me and I'll lock it.
Please lock it and sorry to trouble you.
No trouble.