I remember earlier Poirot films from my kid days as I liked movies with intelligent people acting intelligently.
The new poirot films are really an improvement. Poirot is no longer an obnoxious waddling stereotype, he is a much deeper, more serious and darker character. The films are darker and more elegant, the acting quieter, more intense.
The movies humanized Poirot, making himnless arrogant abd farcical. They changed the things about Poirot that even Agatha Christie came to hate so much she killed him finally. They had characters attack poirot for his arrogance, made it clear his OCD was an issue that caused others to feel hostility towards them.
Also the movies have done something amazing: They did woke right. Agatha Christie was fairly racist even for an upper class British woman of her day. Non white characters were often stereotypes, never really main characters.
Both new poirot movies add PoC characters abd do it right. Plus they deal with the ugly issue of racism in the era Christie wrote in and even have black people telling His Belguimness off to his face at times.
I'm sure Christie would have spun in her grave to see these movies, and as far as I'm concerned she can spin, these movies were excellent.
^ Not sure I agree.
Have you seen DAVID SUCHET as Poirot in Agatha Christie's Poirot (1989–2013 BBC)? He's the best I've seen, though I didn't care for KENNETH BRANAGH in Orient Express (bold as his moustache is).
Kenneth Branagh was quite disgusting to me, it looked like a drunk uncle to be honest.
David Suchet is the definitive Poirot, his performance is simply perfect. I watched the entire series not long ago, and it still holds up just as well. I can't even start to imagine someone else performing that role.
I still like them, I saw some of suchet on A&E when it made quality stuff, but the new poirot is more humanized IMO. His flaws are no longer so 'cute' and 'charming', he can be offensive and arrogant, and even face his flaws when pointed out to him .
I liked the new "Death on the Nile" film more than the previous one, but I still don't like too many things of these new adaptations: the over the top visual gloss for instance, or that they seem to happen on an entirely alternate universe rather than in earlñy XXth century. The new "Death on the Nile" has a great final section, but it still pales in comparison to John Guillermin's adaptation.
I liked MotOO more than DotN, but that's just a preference.
I think I see that the makers of tge new movies are introducing some POC characters and truths about the time period's racism because AC ignored both completely and I don't mind. Also the current poirot shows being an arrogant egotistical ass with OCD isn't really cute or endearing.
Quote from: Morpheus, the unwoke. on November 15, 2022, 03:58:22 PM
I liked MotOO more than DotN, but that's just a preference.
I think I see that the makers of tge new movies are introducing some POC characters and truths about the time period's racism because AC ignored both completely and I don't mind. Also the current poirot shows being an arrogant egotistical ass with OCD isn't really cute or endearing.
One of her novels has a killer taking revenge on a white man for leaving a bunch of black soldiers to die.
Quote from: Alex on November 15, 2022, 04:11:42 PM
Quote from: Morpheus, the unwoke. on November 15, 2022, 03:58:22 PM
I liked MotOO more than DotN, but that's just a preference.
I think I see that the makers of tge new movies are introducing some POC characters and truths about the time period's racism because AC ignored both completely and I don't mind. Also the current poirot shows being an arrogant egotistical ass with OCD isn't really cute or endearing.
One of her novels has a killer taking revenge on a white man for leaving a bunch of black soldiers to die.
Cool.
Quote from: Alex on November 15, 2022, 04:11:42 PM
Quote from: Morpheus, the unwoke. on November 15, 2022, 03:58:22 PM
I liked MotOO more than DotN, but that's just a preference.
I think I see that the makers of tge new movies are introducing some POC characters and truths about the time period's racism because AC ignored both completely and I don't mind. Also the current poirot shows being an arrogant egotistical ass with OCD isn't really cute or endearing.
One of her novels has a killer taking revenge on a white man for leaving a bunch of black soldiers to die.
Have they filmed that one? It would be good for the next poirot film.
Quote from: Morpheus, the unwoke. on November 17, 2022, 11:47:36 PM
Quote from: Alex on November 15, 2022, 04:11:42 PM
Quote from: Morpheus, the unwoke. on November 15, 2022, 03:58:22 PM
I liked MotOO more than DotN, but that's just a preference.
I think I see that the makers of tge new movies are introducing some POC characters and truths about the time period's racism because AC ignored both completely and I don't mind. Also the current poirot shows being an arrogant egotistical ass with OCD isn't really cute or endearing.
One of her novels has a killer taking revenge on a white man for leaving a bunch of black soldiers to die.
Have they filmed that one? It would be good for the next poirot film.
I remember seeing an old black-and-white version of it a long time ago. A quick google suggests there have been several versions of it filmed (10 Little Indians).
Quote from: Alex on November 18, 2022, 03:29:39 AM
Quote from: Morpheus, the unwoke. on November 17, 2022, 11:47:36 PM
Quote from: Alex on November 15, 2022, 04:11:42 PM
Quote from: Morpheus, the unwoke. on November 15, 2022, 03:58:22 PM
I liked MotOO more than DotN, but that's just a preference.
I think I see that the makers of tge new movies are introducing some POC characters and truths about the time period's racism because AC ignored both completely and I don't mind. Also the current poirot shows being an arrogant egotistical ass with OCD isn't really cute or endearing.
One of her novels has a killer taking revenge on a white man for leaving a bunch of black soldiers to die.
Have they filmed that one? It would be good for the next poirot film.
I remember seeing an old black-and-white version of it a long time ago. A quick google suggests there have been several versions of it filmed (10 Little Indians).
There were four film versions of it (I think) and the last one was filmed in South Africa. :buggedout:
I think the most relevant are the B/W by René Clair (1945) and the one by Peter Collinson (1975) shot in Iran (!). The latter one has different cuts, be careful which one you pick.
The newer ones were produced by Harry Alan Towers, who was quite the character. He especialised in shooting adaptations of works in the public domain in exotic locations, who knows by what kind of deals with the local authorities. And he was also suspected of being a Russian asset who obtained information through a ring of beautiful women, something I learned after his death.
I think the version Trevor is referring to is the 1989 adaptation with Donald Pleasence and Frank Stallone. It's another of the Harry Alan Towers productions.
Quote from: Allhallowsday on November 05, 2022, 05:22:07 PM
^ Not sure I agree.
Have you seen DAVID SUCHET as Poirot in Agatha Christie's Poirot (1989–2013 BBC)? He's the best I've seen, though I didn't care for KENNETH BRANAGH in Orient Express (bold as his moustache is).
Totally agree.
Quote from: Gabriel Knight on November 07, 2022, 02:29:17 PM
Kenneth Branagh was quite disgusting to me, it looked like a drunk uncle to be honest.
David Suchet is the definitive Poirot, his performance is simply perfect. I watched the entire series not long ago, and it still holds up just as well. I can't even start to imagine someone else performing that role.
Again: ditto.
Quote from: Neville on November 18, 2022, 07:09:27 AM
I think the version Trevor is referring to is the 1989 adaptation with Donald Pleasence and Frank Stallone. It's another of the Harry Alan Towers productions.
That is exactly the one: one of the many so-called "subsidy films" made here in the 1980s. :buggedout:
I see her book 'ten little.... '' had a problematic history and original title. I've never read her books I admit. Just seen her films.
I wonder if 'evil under the sun' will be a movie update soon.
The first movie I saw in the cinema was a Poirot film - Murder On The Orient Express, directed by the great Sidney Lumet - and it had a huge impact on me. 😊😊
The remake of this and Death On Denial just made me want to 💩
Well I enjoyed them even if I don't get the multiple gunshot scene near the end of DotN. I found poirot less annoying in these movies abd more a human being, less a stereotype.