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Title: Puberty blockers
Post by: lester1/2jr on June 30, 2023, 12:12:05 AM
So I had a passenger today. it was 3 people: a butch lesbian grandma, a regular goofy kid, and his brother who looked like me when I was 13 ...except he had boobs!

The kid was clearly male besides of these. Over the course of the ride, he expressed that he was "pansexual" and was attracted to male and females, and that he was on meds which is I assume why he was the way he was.

They were on their way to the airport to travel to Israel, where he was among other things going to attend a PRIDE celebration of some kind ( There are alot of Jewish people here in Boston).

Obviously I didn't say anything, but the kid seemed too young to be on such medication. Pansexual???
Title: Re: Puberty blockers
Post by: claws on June 30, 2023, 12:45:14 AM
I had to google

QuoteBisexual vs. pansexual: What is the difference?

Most people agree that bisexuality refers to feeling attracted to multiple genders, while pansexuality is attraction to all genders.

What is Omnisexual vs pansexual?

Those who identify as pansexual feel attraction to people without noticing their gender, while omnisexual people recognize the gender of potential partners. Some people put it this way: Pansexual people are gender-blind, while omnisexual people are not.

in other words, it's complicated?
Title: Re: Puberty blockers
Post by: lester1/2jr on June 30, 2023, 12:56:20 AM
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess these were high IQ/ income sort of people based on where they lived.


It was weird.
Title: Re: Puberty blockers
Post by: ER on June 30, 2023, 07:18:41 AM
Sad.
Title: Re: Puberty blockers
Post by: chefzombie on July 02, 2023, 03:03:43 AM
Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 30, 2023, 12:12:05 AM
So I had a passenger today. it was 3 people: a butch lesbian grandma, a regular goofy kid, and his brother who looked like me when I was 13 ...except he had boobs!

The kid was clearly male besides of these. Over the course of the ride, he expressed that he was "pansexual" and was attracted to male and females, and that he was on meds which is I assume why he was the way he was.

They were on their way to the airport to travel to Israel, where he was among other things going to attend a PRIDE celebration of some kind ( There are alot of Jewish people here in Boston).

Obviously I didn't say anything, but the kid seemed too young to be on such medication. Pansexual???

so you have no real clue as to how old this person was. i'm not surprised. don't judge, ASK.
Title: Re: Puberty blockers
Post by: ER on July 04, 2023, 08:29:54 AM
On second thought, considering some things my fourteen-year-old has been telling me about a boy who likes her, where might I acquire some of these delightful puberty blockers?
Title: Re: Puberty blockers
Post by: Alex on July 04, 2023, 10:02:33 AM
Quote from: ER on July 04, 2023, 08:29:54 AM
On second thought, considering some things my fourteen-year-old has been telling me about a boy who likes her, where might I acquire some of these delightful puberty blockers?

I have a friend who is a fire chief. When his daughter was going to her prom and her date arrived to pick her up, he was introduced to Ken. He was sitting in his study with a large machete and told the young man that he was getting to take his little girl out for the evening and that when he returned, she better still be his little girl or that he'd make her date his new little girl.
Title: Re: Puberty blockers
Post by: HappyGilmore on July 04, 2023, 11:27:44 AM
Pansexuality isn't a new concept.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Puberty blockers
Post by: ER on July 04, 2023, 11:29:04 AM
Quote from: Alex on July 04, 2023, 10:02:33 AM
Quote from: ER on July 04, 2023, 08:29:54 AM
On second thought, considering some things my fourteen-year-old has been telling me about a boy who likes her, where might I acquire some of these delightful puberty blockers?

I have a friend who is a fire chief. When his daughter was going to her prom and her date arrived to pick her up, he was introduced to Ken. He was sitting in his study with a large machete and told the young man that he was getting to take his little girl out for the evening and that when he returned, she better still be his little girl or that he'd make her date his new little girl.

A wise man, him.

Alas, I cannot go after kids. (Not that this boy has done anything worthy of my bad side.) When he was seven my son got jumped in school by several other boys because he shoved the leader of the little bunch, and what could I do? Couldn't really go after the parents because...shrug, other than possibly raising little snits, they hadn't done anything, I couldn't go after the kids because they're kids, so had the ability to more easily screw with them all up back then than I would today, and yet couldn't do a thing.

Parenthood can be frustrating.
Title: Re: Puberty blockers
Post by: ER on July 04, 2023, 11:30:10 AM
Quote from: HappyGilmore on July 04, 2023, 11:27:44 AM
Pansexuality isn't a new concept.  :cheers:

Nah, according to Solo, Lando was hammering men, women, robots, and aliens, and that was "a long time ago."
Title: Re: Puberty blockers
Post by: Alex on July 04, 2023, 11:37:36 AM
Quote from: ER on July 04, 2023, 11:29:04 AM
Quote from: Alex on July 04, 2023, 10:02:33 AM
Quote from: ER on July 04, 2023, 08:29:54 AM
On second thought, considering some things my fourteen-year-old has been telling me about a boy who likes her, where might I acquire some of these delightful puberty blockers?

I have a friend who is a fire chief. When his daughter was going to her prom and her date arrived to pick her up, he was introduced to Ken. He was sitting in his study with a large machete and told the young man that he was getting to take his little girl out for the evening and that when he returned, she better still be his little girl or that he'd make her date his new little girl.

A wise man, him.

Alas, I cannot go after kids. (Not that this boy has done anything worthy of my bad side.) When he was seven my son got jumped in school by several other boys because he shoved the leader of the little bunch, and what could I do? Couldn't really go after the parents because...shrug, other than possibly raising little snits, they hadn't done anything, I couldn't go after the kids because they're kids, so had the ability to more easily screw with them all up back then than I would today, and yet couldn't do a thing.

Parenthood can be frustrating.

Kneecap the parents in front of little Johnny. It will teach the kid a lesson they will never forget.
Title: Re: Puberty blockers
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 04, 2023, 03:17:48 PM
Chef - I can't ask a question like that in doing my job. No more than I could have asked them how they feel about the Israel Palestine conflict.
Title: Re: Puberty blockers
Post by: chefzombie on July 06, 2023, 03:20:51 AM
Quote from: lester1/2jr on July 04, 2023, 03:17:48 PM
Chef - I can't ask a question like that in doing my job. No more than I could have asked them how they feel about the Israel Palestine conflict.

Really? my drivers ask me all kinds of odd questions. okay, i see your point, but seriously, don't assume. my oldest niece is almost 40 and still looks like she's 18, it's just the structure of her face.
Title: Re: Puberty blockers
Post by: HappyGilmore on July 09, 2023, 03:42:04 PM
Quote from: ER on July 04, 2023, 11:30:10 AM
Quote from: HappyGilmore on July 04, 2023, 11:27:44 AM
Pansexuality isn't a new concept.  :cheers:

Nah, according to Solo, Lando was hammering men, women, robots, and aliens, and that was "a long time ago."
:bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle:

True, true.
Title: Re: Puberty blockers
Post by: HappyGilmore on July 09, 2023, 03:48:05 PM
I'm not a parent so I can't judge how others raise their own.

A friend has a child who's trans, 19 or 20. My friend struggled with her feelings. Which I get. But transgender people have existed for decades. People act like that's a new concept. We have better access to medicine and technology and the internet. And, mental health doctors are involved. They just don't give that stuff out like a free sample at Wal-Mart.

Title: Re: Puberty blockers
Post by: indianasmith on July 09, 2023, 05:43:30 PM
I don't like the whole trans thing and I will NEVER understand it.
BUT - that's no excuse not to be a decent human being.  One thing I do know is that trans kids who are not affirmed in their choices have a VERY high suicide rate.  I may wish my nephew was still my niece, but I will take a live nephew over a dead niece ANY DAY.
Just - be kind.  That's my approach to life these days.
Title: Re: Puberty blockers
Post by: RCMerchant on July 09, 2023, 06:49:05 PM
Trans. If adults- do whatever you want. Kids- that's just stupid for people to think that  a kid could get such a procedure. It don't happen. It's political propaganda.
Title: Re: Puberty blockers
Post by: chefzombie on July 09, 2023, 07:05:05 PM
Quote from: RCMerchant on July 09, 2023, 06:49:05 PM
Trans. If adults- do whatever you want. Kids- that's just stupid for people to think that  a kid could get such a procedure. It don't happen. It's political propaganda.

THANK YOU! i fight this battle all the time on chatboards trying to make people understand that the videos and articles they find are flat out bulls**t. even when i prove it's bulls**t, they still believe it because of their irrational hatred. it's fear based, and nobody is protecting a kid by taking them away from their parents who are getting them medical care, or making laws that prevent gender affirming care. like indi said, kids are dying by suicide because of this irrational fear and hatred.
   and this extends to drag queens too, being accused of " grooming", and teachers too. i have several friends who have had their lives threatened for reading at story hour, or for being trans and raising their own frickin children! and ron desantis is now destroying the state of florida with his stupid hatred, racism, bigotry and other words i won't use here. so far this year, florida has lost at least a dozen MAJOR conventions because of desantis's laws, hotels and restaurants as well as retail are losing millions because of the prevailing attitude towards anyone who isn't living in the damned 40's.
   sorry about the diatribe, but i'm watching MY friends and families leave their multidecade homes in florida because of this. that is the REAL sickness.
Title: Re: Puberty blockers
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 10, 2023, 01:22:53 AM
There is a backlash forming against teaching this stuff in schools.


Also...I had a friend in college circa late 90's who chopped her balls and eventually her dick off. This was before trans was a thing and she wasn't crazy or anything like that.
Title: Re: Puberty blockers
Post by: ralfy on July 10, 2023, 03:18:13 AM
It's part of late capitalism, where prosperity leads to more demands for individual freedom and relativism. Hence, increasing support for same-sex marriage in the states, teaching the view that there are dozens of genders even to kindergarten students, and so on.

Title: Re: Puberty blockers
Post by: Alex on July 10, 2023, 03:26:16 AM
Historically, there have been several cultures that have recognised multiple genders. A few of them are mentioned here: https://www.britannica.com/list/6-cultures-that-recognize-more-than-two-genders (https://www.britannica.com/list/6-cultures-that-recognize-more-than-two-genders)

If it isn't something you've been through personally, then what frame of reference can anyone else possibly have to judge what these people are going through? I have a nephew (originally my niece) who at 10 years old told his parents that he thought he should be male. Waited until his late teens/early 20s to start transitioning and is now quite happily living life as a man. He's just finished his degree at Aberdeen uni and is going on to study for the next level.

I'll be quite honest that I don't understand what he's went through, but that doesn't mean I can't support him.

Maybe the only relevant question is, where the passengers good people?
Title: Re: Puberty blockers
Post by: ER on July 13, 2023, 03:26:15 PM
Starvation also blocks puberty. Helpful hint there.
Title: Re: Puberty blockers
Post by: RCMerchant on July 13, 2023, 05:22:50 PM
^ So does thyroid diasese. In my case. All my brothers grew tall. I did not. That's ok- because it made me mad at everything and caring about little. It also, I like to think, made me an artist (of sorts :lookingup:). Mad people sit and brood and do drugs and read weird books. It kept me mind alive!  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Puberty blockers
Post by: ralfy on July 13, 2023, 10:46:39 PM
I think those cultures refer to male, female, or intesex (male and female organs). For current views, there are more, like having no gender.

The basis of this is the argument that gender is a construct, and one of the sources for that is John Money:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money)

Derrick Jensen gives more references here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-NseFg2kno (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-NseFg2kno)

Title: Re: Puberty blockers
Post by: RCMerchant on July 13, 2023, 11:57:14 PM
Why does anyone give more f**ks about this than the question that the Republican party thinks that this "culture war" is more important than healthcare, veterans care, gun violence, and home grown terrorism?
I can tell you why- because they have NO plans on those subjects. Go after faggots!
Makes me sick. I aint seen too many drag queens going out shooting up a nightclub.
Makes me sick.
"Protect our children". What a joke.
Title: Re: Puberty blockers
Post by: chefzombie on July 14, 2023, 02:39:19 AM
Quote from: ER on July 13, 2023, 03:26:15 PM
Starvation also blocks puberty. Helpful hint there.

and anorexia is a serious illness. it has nothing to do with gender affirming care at all.
Title: Re: Puberty blockers
Post by: chefzombie on July 14, 2023, 02:43:01 AM
Quote from: RCMerchant on July 13, 2023, 11:57:14 PM
Why does anyone give more f**ks about this than the question that the Republican party thinks that this "culture war" is more important than healthcare, veterans care, gun violence, and home grown terrorism?
I can tell you why- because they have NO plans on those subjects. Go after faggots!
Makes me sick. I aint seen too many drag queens going out shooting up a nightclub.
Makes me sick.
"Protect our children". What a joke.

thank you, ron. it's all about control, and the way to get that is to vilify the people you want to control. the same thing is happening to women, AGAIN , with people blaming women  as the ONLY person responsible for an unwanted pregnancy, so her PUNISHMENT for liking sex is being forced to have a baby that could kill her.
Title: Re: Puberty blockers
Post by: RCMerchant on July 14, 2023, 04:30:50 AM
^ Chef- as far as abortion goes, I wouldn't do it. Mostly, because I'm not a woman.
But I got a girl pregnant when I was 30. I had nothing. A s**t job. A drunk. But I was dam sure gonna take responsibility for that unborn child.
But to vilify women who choose that option- that's evil. It's her body! If you didn't put your dick in her- she wouldn't have this life changing decision to make! So men making laws- (and these laws are made by old white men- oh yeah- and Clarence Thomas  :lookingup:) stifle- and OULTLAW! the rights of these people. It's bulls**t.
Title: Re: Puberty blockers
Post by: chefzombie on July 15, 2023, 03:51:49 AM
Quote from: RCMerchant on July 14, 2023, 04:30:50 AM
^ Chef- as far as abortion goes, I wouldn't do it. Mostly, because I'm not a woman.
But I got a girl pregnant when I was 30. I had nothing. A s**t job. A drunk. But I was dam sure gonna take responsibility for that unborn child.
But to vilify women who choose that option- that's evil. It's her body! If you didn't put your dick in her- she wouldn't have this life changing decision to make! So men making laws- (and these laws are made by old white men- oh yeah- and Clarence Thomas  :lookingup:) stifle- and OULTLAW! the rights of these people. It's bulls**t.


thank you, my friend, for understanding our point of view, AND for being willing to step up. and for knowing that this bulls**t IS outrageous!