John Moore's needless remake of Flight of The Phoenix (2004)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy-z-0zwh90&list=RDOy-z-0zwh90&start_radio=1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy-z-0zwh90&list=RDOy-z-0zwh90&start_radio=1)
DEATH WISH 4
Bronson's dream (where he sees himself in the 3rd person) :)
Quote from: zombie no.one on August 11, 2023, 02:11:49 AM
DEATH WISH 4
Bronson's dream (where he sees himself in the 3rd person) :)
Oh yes!
:thumbup: :thumbup:
Not really bad movies, but these I believe started great and then, well, didn't:
HANCOCK - Great start, it goes downhill from there. It was clear they had no clue what the hell to do with the script.
BEING JOHN MALKOVICH - It's amazing how fast that movie falls apart. I started laughing and by the end felt depressed.
JUMPER - Simply put, the synopsis is a lie.
Quote from: Gabriel Knight on August 11, 2023, 07:11:16 AM
HANCOCK - Great start, it goes downhill from there. It was clear they had no clue what the hell to do with the script.
Half of Hanock is a really great movie.
I know lots of people are going to disagree with me here, but for me Everything, Everywhere, All At Once. I enjoyed the first half, then it just fell apart and became a real struggle to sit through. I tried watching it a second time to see if I thought better of it after a while had passed, but I just couldn't force myself to sit through the whole thing again and put it off. I would be surprised if I enjoy a film less this year. It is a shame, because I had really bought into the buzz around the movie and thought I was in for something I'd really like.
Normally I'd put this down to different tastes and just move on, but honestly this one had me wondering if everyone who said they liked it was high or being paid to give it good press. I really did find it that boring.
Live and Let Die
Transformers (2007) --- this was shaping up to be something great for me, ironically enough until the transformers showed up and went down hill fast
The BEAST OF YUCCA FLATS (1962) started great- a flash of nudity in a 1962 movie! After that it's a lazy mess.
I like the senseless narration, though!
took this to mean enjoyably bad movies which just had particularly good starts, lol...
as for movies that start good then go downhill, in my opinion, INGLORIOUS BASTERDS... that early 'hiding jews' scene is one of the most tense scenes in cinema history. after that it becomes totally mediocre (I stress this is just my opinion)
Quote from: RCMerchant on August 11, 2023, 03:27:27 PM
The BEAST OF YUCCA FLATS (1962) started great- a flash of nudity in a 1962 movie! After that it's a lazy mess.
I like the senseless narration, though!
"Flag on the moon!"
Quote from: Alex on August 11, 2023, 12:16:48 PM
I know lots of people are going to disagree with me here, but for me Everything, Everywhere, All At Once. I enjoyed the first half, then it just fell apart and became a real struggle to sit through. I tried watching it a second time to see if I thought better of it after a while had passed, but I just couldn't force myself to sit through the whole thing again and put it off. I would be surprised if I enjoy a film less this year. It is a shame, because I had really bought into the buzz around the movie and thought I was in for something I'd really like.
Normally I'd put this down to different tastes and just move on, but honestly this one had me wondering if everyone who said they liked it was high or being paid to give it good press. I really did find it that boring.
It is 20 minutes WAY too long.
Quote from: zombie no.one on August 11, 2023, 05:18:42 PM
took this to mean enjoyably bad movies which just had particularly good starts, lol...
as for movies that start good then go downhill, in my opinion, INGLORIOUS BASTERDS... that early 'hiding jews' scene is one of the most tense scenes in cinema history. after that it becomes totally mediocre (I stress this is just my opinion)
I'm with you on this one. I think it's a great film up through the basement bar shoot-out. It really starts to unravel (willfully) after that. Tarantino's eagerness to disappoint audience expectations sometimes pays off, but in this one, all we really want to see is Shoshanna finally confront Hans Landa and serve him his comeuppance. When he insists on delivering something else entirely (and something not nearly as satisfying), QT's outsmarting himself at our (the audience's) expense.
...Which is why I sometimes like to say that ROGUE ONE is INGLORIOUS BASTERDS done right...! :wink:
I'm so out the loop I had to look up ROGUE ONE... as it's part of the Star Wars universe I'll take your word for it :)
talking of Tarantino I also enjoyed the first half of DEATH PROOF... up until the car crash... after that it seems to morph into a totally different film, which I did not like at all. his obsession with using that stuntwoman at any opportunity seemed really forced
The Nesting (1981)
(https://i0.wp.com/www.kindertrauma.com/images/art/emptynesting2.jpg?ssl=1)
Starts pretty intense with the leadi actress facing her anxieties. Very well shot sequence and great performance by Robin Groves. After that it's your typical bad haunted house flick but hey, John Carradine is also in it so, definitely worth watching.
Quote from: zombie no.one on August 12, 2023, 01:50:28 AM
I'm so out the loop I had to look up ROGUE ONE... as it's part of the Star Wars universe I'll take your word for it :)
talking of Tarantino I also enjoyed the first half of DEATH PROOF... up until the car crash... after that it seems to morph into a totally different film, which I did not like at all. his obsession with using that stuntwoman at any opportunity seemed really forced
Again, spot on. The first 45 minutes of DEATH PROOF, up through the "Hold Tight!" crash, is among Tarantino's BEST - most controlled, most suspenseful, most cool - work. Then immediately thereafter he starts to blow it, consciously, just to be a wacky goofball. That second half is preposterous (and mostly boring). Ugh.
ROGUE ONE is, btw, far and away the strongest STAR WARS film. :thumbup:
Quote from: zombie no.one on August 11, 2023, 05:18:42 PM
took this to mean enjoyably bad movies which just had particularly good starts, lol...
as for movies that start good then go downhill, in my opinion, INGLORIOUS BASTERDS... that early 'hiding jews' scene is one of the most tense scenes in cinema history. after that it becomes totally mediocre (I stress this is just my opinion)
I basically share your opinion. The first scene is an absolute stone cold classic of suspense. After that it goes downhill (although not all the way down to "mediocre," IMO).
Quote from: Rev. Powell on August 12, 2023, 09:16:48 AM
Quote from: zombie no.one on August 11, 2023, 05:18:42 PM
took this to mean enjoyably bad movies which just had particularly good starts, lol...
as for movies that start good then go downhill, in my opinion, INGLORIOUS BASTERDS... that early 'hiding jews' scene is one of the most tense scenes in cinema history. after that it becomes totally mediocre (I stress this is just my opinion)
I basically share your opinion. The first scene is an absolute stone cold classic of suspense. After that it goes downhill (although not all the way down to "mediocre," IMO).
Huh, and here I think of that as a great movie, if slightly wayward.
Quote from: M.10rda on August 12, 2023, 08:06:31 AM
Quote from: zombie no.one on August 12, 2023, 01:50:28 AM
I'm so out the loop I had to look up ROGUE ONE... as it's part of the Star Wars universe I'll take your word for it :)
talking of Tarantino I also enjoyed the first half of DEATH PROOF... up until the car crash... after that it seems to morph into a totally different film, which I did not like at all. his obsession with using that stuntwoman at any opportunity seemed really forced
Again, spot on. The first 45 minutes of DEATH PROOF, up through the "Hold Tight!" crash, is among Tarantino's BEST - most controlled, most suspenseful, most cool - work. Then immediately thereafter he starts to blow it, consciously, just to be a wacky goofball. That second half is preposterous (and mostly boring). Ugh.
I'm wondering if he'd reached the stage where no one could suggest to him that maybe it wasn't a good idea to do that? (...except he's probably never
not been at that stage)
Quote from: Rev. Powell on August 12, 2023, 09:16:48 AM
After that it goes downhill (although not all the way down to "mediocre," IMO).
maybe that was a bit harsh... but I can't help holding everything he does to PULP FICTION standards!
I like Tarintino up until he stared going off into those Twilight Zone endings- like Hitler getting shot in INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS, ONCE UPON TIME IN HOLLYWOOD where the heros kill the Manson Family, and some parts of KILL BILL- which is total fantasy. RESEVOIR DOGS, PULP FICTION, and JACKIE BROWN are his best.
Quote from: RCMerchant on August 12, 2023, 03:00:43 PM
I like Tarintino up until he stared going off into those Twilight Zone endings- like Hitler getting shot in INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS, ONCE UPON TIME IN HOLLYWOOD where the heros kill the Manson Family, and some parts of KILL BILL- which is total fantasy. RESIVOIR DOGS, PULP FICTION, and JACKIE BROWN are his best.
I watched Reservoir Dogs on my own in a theater in 1994.
Quote from: zombie no.one on August 12, 2023, 02:54:14 PM
I'm wondering if he'd reached the stage where no one could suggest to him that maybe it wasn't a good idea to do that? (...except he's probably never not been at that stage)
This is a likely explanation.
During promotion for GRINDHOUSE he bragged about loving (and wanting to make) movies that change course abruptly midway and become totally different in terms of tone. Well that's DEATH PROOF... unfortunately, DEATH PROOF the long talky character drama and then DEATH PROOF the climactic madcap slapstick comedy are far less interesting and well-executed than the opening stretch of chilly menace and suspense. It was an offbeat idea but not a manageable idea for a 90 minute feature.
Actually, if he and Rodriguez really wanted to recreate the "grindhouse" experience, GRINDHOUSE could have opened midway through DEATH PROOF, w/ the cops in the hospital. We get the second half of DEATH PROOF, trailers, all of TERROR PLANET, more trailers, first half of DEATH PROOF... then the celluloid gets caught and burns, "ending" the double feature.
Of course, I dunno if anyone could make it through 30 minutes of Tracie Thoms and Zoe Bell delivering Tarantino's weakest dialogue in order to get to the remaining 2.5 hours...