what are some bad movies that actually tried to present some kind of thought provoking 'message' or profound themes? (instead of just the usual bad movie shenanigans)
I watched PARTS: THE CLONUS HORROR (1978) again last night and despite the comically bad moments and low budget feel, the whole topic of human cloning and the repercussions, is actually quite deep. the movie was quite dystopian in its outlook
Not a "B" movie but for most people a bad movie, Alien 3 (1992) apparently has a more or less 'hidden' allegory for the HIV/AIDS virus. I never knew.
The Demon (1979) presented the theory that it is possible to make a movie with very little logic, a script scribbled on the back of a pack of cigarettes, no acting talent on display and no talent behind the camera either. The message it has is if you want to see crap as a movie, look no further than this. 😳😉
Quote from: claws on January 09, 2025, 12:49:12 PMNot a "B" movie but for most people a bad movie, Alien 3 (1992) apparently has a more or less 'hidden' allegory for the HIV/AIDS virus. I never knew.
I didn't know that at all. I was aware of THE HITCHER having a similar undercurrent.
don't thinkI've seen ALIEN 3, yeah it doesn't have a good reputation.
BIRDEMIC has its not so subtle 'environmental' message, although hard to take seriously
...as does Seagal's ON DEADLY GROUND, complete with a speech at the end. :smile:
I'm not actually going to defend ALIEN CUBED and I hadn't heard or read an HIV reading into it. The spiritual/religious allegory is pretty thick in there, though, and was absolutely intentional. Prior to Fincher coming onboard, the previous director (Vincent Ward) imagined it more as "Snow White and the Seven Dwarves" w/ the convicts as the dwarves: Charles Dance is obviously "Doc", I guess Ralph Brown as "Eighty-Five" (his IQ, reportedly) was "Dopey", and Charles S. Dutton was, I dunno, "Grumpy"? At the end Ward wanted Ripley to more or less die saving the convicts, who would survive and then freeze her in another stasis tube and send her into space for a prince to discover and revive....... :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: But naturally it makes no sense to make an ALIEN film where almost everyone survives. (See ALIEN: RESURRECTION.......)
SARAH T - PORTRAIT OF A TEENAGE ALCOHOLIC (1975)
does what it says in the tin...
wouldn't say I'm particularly a 'Linda Blair fan' in general, but I really like this era of her stuff... BORN INNOCENT and SUMMER OF FEAR especially
Quote from: claws on January 09, 2025, 12:49:12 PMNot a "B" movie but for most people a bad movie, Alien 3 (1992) apparently has a more or less 'hidden' allegory for the HIV/AIDS virus. I never knew.
I watched it in the cinema when it came out and thought the same thing afterwards. But I can't remember exactly why. Maybe Ripley was supposed to represent the virus.
I used to like the movie but mostly on an atmospheric level along with the casting being very good. But recently I can't watch it without ignoring the plot holes and conveniences they used just to make another sequel.
It was really common to throw "morals" into the olde '50s b-horror flicks, and one which springs to mind right away is It Conquered the World with its end monologue
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A thinly veiled dig at the Russians afaik, but it still sounds deep!