For me it's THE BIG LEBOWSKI and THIS IS SPINAL TAP: I never really found them more than mildly amusing.
I also never quite understood the appeal of DISTRICT 9 but I did like CHAPPIE.
THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION. I remember it being a decent enough movie but none of the details really stuck out in my mind. I can't understand why so many people think it's the greatest movie of all time. I might consider it one of the top 5 movies of 1994, but it's not even my favorite film released that year.
I do like SPINAL TAP a lot but I think it pales in comparison to WAITING FOR GUFFMAN and A MIGHTY WIND which are basically the same thing in a different setting.
BIG LEBOWSKI took me a few watches as I said recently. I can totally understand someone not getting it.
>>> JACKIE BROWN for me just never comes to life. I want to like it more than I do because 90s Tarantino.
SUSPIRIA (1977). I've heard people say it's Dario Argento's best film. Not to me. I though DEEP RED (1975) and PHENOMENA (1985) were heads above SUSPIRA. BIRD WITH THE CRYSTAL PLUMMAGE (1970) as well.
The work of this glorified plagiarist fanboy:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Quentin_Tarantino_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg/330px-Quentin_Tarantino_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg)
http://www.badmovies.org/movies/ninjawars/
Quote from: Cult_Moody_Movies on June 07, 2025, 03:19:10 PMThe work of this glorified plagiarist fanboy:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Quentin_Tarantino_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg/330px-Quentin_Tarantino_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg)
I liked RESERVOIR DOGS and PLUMP FICTION: nothing after that.
Quote from: zombie no.one on June 07, 2025, 03:07:25 PMI do like SPINAL TAP a lot but I think it pales in comparison to WAITING FOR GUFFMAN and A MIGHTY WIND which are basically the same thing in a different setting.
BIG LEBOWSKI took me a few watches as I said recently. I can totally understand someone not getting it.
>>> JACKIE BROWN for me just never comes to life. I want to like it more than I do because 90s Tarantino.
I agree about JACKIE BROWN: aside from Pam Grier, the movie was meh.
Quote from: RCMerchant on June 07, 2025, 03:08:57 PMSUSPIRIA (1977). I've heard people say it's Dario Argento's best film. Not to me. I though DEEP RED (1975) and PHENOMENA (1985) were heads above SUSPIRA. BIRD WITH THE CRYSTAL PLUMMAGE (1970) as well.
The remake of SUSPIRIA makes the original movie look great 😳.
I agree about DEEP RED: it was the first Argento film I saw.
I also think SUSPIRIA is overrated in the context of Argento's filmography, although it does have arguably the Best Death Ever™
Quote from: Trevor on June 07, 2025, 03:58:36 PMPLUMP FICTION
too much Royale with cheese? :smile:
I never saw what the big deal was with the Blair Witch. Buncha' people that can't hold a camera steady wandering around lost in the woods acting afraid.
Quote from: chainsaw midget on June 07, 2025, 04:54:47 PMI never saw what the big deal was with the Blair Witch. Buncha' people that can't hold a camera steady wandering around lost in the woods acting afraid.
Amazing word-of-mouth campaign, and found footage horror was a new concept when it came out. (Some gullible) people actually believed that they were watching real footage at the time. But as a movie, agreed, it's not that great. As a marketing ploy, it was genius.
La Belle Noiseuse (1991)
Well, not that I cared... :bouncegiggle:
Not a movie but I never "got" MST3K. This kind of making fun of bad movies didn't work for me. It's like watching a children's show aimed at adults?
I understand it has its place in American pop culture, but it's just too silly and annoying for my inner man child.
Quote from: zombie no.one on June 07, 2025, 04:40:14 PMI also think SUSPIRIA is overrated in the context of Argento's filmography, although it does have arguably the Best Death Ever™
Quote from: Trevor on June 07, 2025, 03:58:36 PMPLUMP FICTION
too much Royale with cheese? :smile:
😉😉😉🐢
Quote from: chainsaw midget on June 07, 2025, 04:54:47 PMI never saw what the big deal was with the Blair Witch. Buncha' people that can't hold a camera steady wandering around lost in the woods acting afraid.
You can put the blame for that on the South African born producer Robin Cowie 😳😉😉😉
Quote from: claws on June 07, 2025, 11:17:13 PMNot a movie but I never "got" MST3K. This kind of making fun of bad movies didn't work for me. It's like watching a children's show aimed at adults?
I understand it has its place in American pop culture, but it's just too silly and annoying for my inner man child.
I agree. Most of the 'Bad' films they mock are some of my favorite films of all time!
Quote from: Rev. Powell on June 07, 2025, 05:35:50 PMQuote from: chainsaw midget on June 07, 2025, 04:54:47 PMI never saw what the big deal was with the Blair Witch. Buncha' people that can't hold a camera steady wandering around lost in the woods acting afraid.
Amazing word-of-mouth campaign, and found footage horror was a new concept when it came out. (Some gullible) people actually believed that they were watching real footage at the time. But as a movie, agreed, it's not that great. As a marketing ploy, it was genius.
agreed. it was a perfect storm of the internet being enough of a thing that a massive buzz could be generated which sucked people in, but not enough of a thing that it could be easily debunked. (however I'm pretty sure that at no point did I believe it was real :teddyr: )
as for the film I think it's a solid one-watch... I have had zero desire to ever sit through it again.
Quote from: claws on June 07, 2025, 11:17:13 PMNot a movie but I never "got" MST3K. This kind of making fun of bad movies didn't work for me. It's like watching a children's show aimed at adults?
I understand it has its place in American pop culture, but it's just too silly and annoying for my inner man child.
I think I just don't like people talking over films I'm watching (although there's a handful of commentary tracks I do love). agreed though, the MST3K schtick is a very specific style of humour. you get it or you don't.
The only Rifftrax I never liked was the one done for KILL AND KILL AGAIN: riffing a movie stops being funny when (a) the movie you're riffing was funny in the first place and (b) you know most of the people who worked on the movie.
The Big Lebowski. Never watched it when it first came out. Recently sat down and gave it a shot and it just did nothing for me.
Predator. I can see a bit why it has fans, but I've never felt the need to watch it again, or it's sequels.
Quote from: zombie no.one on June 08, 2025, 02:52:28 AMagreed though, the MST3K schtick is a very specific style of humour. you get it or you don't.
Pretty sure the theme song was intentionally "bad" but it is also one of, if not
the most annoying theme song for a TV show I have ever heard.
Quote from: claws on June 07, 2025, 11:17:13 PMNot a movie but I never "got" MST3K. This kind of making fun of bad movies didn't work for me. It's like watching a children's show aimed at adults?
I understand it has its place in American pop culture, but it's just too silly and annoying for my inner man child.
I get why some people might not dig it. I watched it a bunch as a kid in middle school and high school.
Here's some no one's mentioned:
The most celebrated films of Robert Altman!
SHORT CUTS - Almost complete B.S., the first worst three and a half hours of cinema I'd endured as a teenager, totally worthless beyond a beautiful late career supporting performance from Jack Lemmon (he's in about 20 of the 200 minutes).
THE PLAYER - Saw it and was grossly disappointed by it even before hating SHORT CUTS - had read Michael Tolkin's book a couple years earlier, had loved it, and still do - Altman had no grasp whatsoever on the subtle and bittersweet tone of the book and just made it a cheap nasty comedy, bleh.
M*A*S*H - WTF, this really made his reputation and it spawned a fifteen-plus year franchise, you watch it and think it's a home movie edited in camera. Donald Sutherland hated working on it and Altman tried to get him fired, which says a ton about Altman's judgment. Sutherland and others claimed Altman only cared about the football scene and nothing else, but even watching that makes one think they've seen more carefully choreographed and photographed camcorder footage of little league football games.
GOSFORD PARK - By 2003, no one in the Academy voting pool had ever seen a Merchant/Ivory film (...many of which had won Oscars...) or an Agatha Christie mystery and they fell for this crap?
IMAGES - Okay, I don't actually hate this one but I've seen every dissociative identity thriller ever made and this is easily one of the weakest and most overrated.
.......There are Altman films I find value in, but many of those (McCABE & MRS. MILLER, KANSAS CITY) also feel like he walked on the set, threw his coat on top of the boom-mic, yelled "Action!" then left for the nearest OTB and let the actors keep vamping until the camera rolled out, then he came back hours later and whatever was in the mag, that's the take that went in the final cut. Compared to, say, Kubrick, I would rank Altman not as a virtuoso or master but more as a very very very lucky amateur. Most MST3K films are directed w/ more care than SHORT CUTS!
Quote from: Cult_Moody_Movies on June 07, 2025, 03:19:10 PMThe work of this glorified plagiarist fanboy:
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I am so with you on this. I find most of his movies to be overwrought and rambling, with the exception of Kill Bill Vol 1 and 2.
Movies I didn't get:
Titanic and Avatar. Titanic felt so predictable, as did Avatar. Avatar was even worse, with its derivative plotline, heavy handed ideology, villains so one dimensional they should be in Flatland, and beats so predictable I was in the cinema saying out loud, 'he's going to get the dragon now,' 'he's going to open his eyes now'. God, what a waste of money.
The Descendants (2015) with George Clooney had the worst plotline with people constantly making stupid decision after stupid decision. Not to mention the hideous ukelele soundtrack. The only movie I've ever wanted to walk out of.
Quote from: M.10rda on June 08, 2025, 07:47:43 PMhad read Michael Tolkin's book a couple years earlier, had loved it, and still do - Altman had no grasp whatsoever on the subtle and bittersweet tone of the book and just made it a cheap nasty comedy, bleh.
on that note, AMERICAN PSYCHO... I read the book before the film came out and what's funny is I distinctly remember thinking multiple times throughout reading it, "please
never let anyone try and make a film out of this"... not even Scorcese, or Coen brothers.
it actually took me until about 10 years ago to muster up the [whatever the word is] to watch the film, and it is like the polar opposite of how I interpreted the book. it couldn't have been more 'wrong', IMO
my main gripe is that the satire in the book is intensely deadpan, and I did not get any jokey vibes from Patrick Bateman as a character... in the film he is borderline a clown, and the whole thing looks like it's almost trying to be a musical / outlandish stage production!
Although it isn't a bad movie and has some truly nasty shocks, I have never understood the acclaim that Stanley Kubrick's THE SHINING gets. The book has everything the movie hasn't e.g. a slow build up to terror, a desperate recovering alcoholic anxious to provide for his family, emotion and quite a bit of unexpected humor.
Quote from: zombie no.one on June 09, 2025, 04:38:09 AMAMERICAN PSYCHO... I read the book before the film came out and what's funny is I distinctly remember thinking multiple times throughout reading it, "please never let anyone try and make a film out of this"... not even Scorcese, or Coen brothers.
it actually took me until about 10 years ago to muster up the [whatever the word is] to watch the film, and it is like the polar opposite of how I interpreted the book. it couldn't have been more 'wrong', IMO
my main gripe is that the satire in the book is intensely deadpan, and I did not get any jokey vibes from Patrick Bateman as a character... in the film he is borderline a clown, and the whole thing looks like it's almost trying to be a musical / outlandish stage production!
You said it all, brother!
My thoughts on the AMERICAN PSYCHO adaptation are very similar to my thoughts on the PLAYER adaptation, and are also very close to your opinions.
I think Christian Bale gave a fabulous performance as Patrick Bateman - but unfortunately it's not the Patrick Bateman from the book, and Mary Herron really misinterprets or outright ignores the most integral themes of the book, preferring to focus on the most superficial commentary on consumerism et al.
I also agree with you that the tone of the film is altogether incorrectt. There's tons of humor in the book, but Bateman is rarely conscious of the absurdity of his dialogue and thoughts - which is what makes it Satire - and more importantly,
no one else in the book is ever remotely aware of the outrageous quality of Bateman's thoughts or the implications of his speech - which is what makes it Tragedy. I think the film captures these dimensions entirely inadequately.
But, alas, I think you and I are in the minority w/ this opinion...
I think we may be, as it seems like the entire personna of 'Patrick Bateman' that's in the public consciousness (and which has become a kind of meme) is clearly the movie version, not the book version.
and yeah I should also point out that if I'd never read the book I might've enjoyed the movie more than I did... almost impossible to 'un-pill' yourself from a book when viewing the adaptation though.
(while we're here I'll nominate AMERICAN PSYCHO 2 for most wtf sequel of the noughties... it's dumb but I actually liked it)
I have also never gotten the hype and acclaim that DISTRICT 9 has gotten over the years.
Another one is Clint Eastwood's INVICTUS: huge acclaim for a film which is a blatant and wholly inaccurate Hollywoodization of the events of the 1995 Rugby World Cup - the post-apartheid event which united South Africans in their support of the Springbok rugby team.
The most glaring of the inaccuracies is the fact that the Boeing low pass over flight of the Ellis Park stadium by Captain Laurie Kay - never done in South Africa before - is presented in the movie as a spur-of-the-moment thing and not something that was planned months in advance.
Here is footage of the real event:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_7QjbNxdqc
Have not liked even ONE of the classic Universal Monster reboots.
Also didn't like INTERVIEW WITH A VAMPIRE, DeNiro's Frankenstein, Oldman's Dracula, or the Benico Del Toro's Wolf Man. None of the Mummy's either.
Who's that guy who did the SHAPE OF WATER? Not a fan of his films either.
Quote from: RCMerchant on June 09, 2025, 07:44:11 PMWho's that guy who did the SHAPE OF WATER? Not a fan of his films either.
Guillermo Del Toro (I think) 🙂🐢
Except for SKYFALL, I never got Daniel Craig as James Bong.
Quote from: Trevor on June 10, 2025, 03:42:47 AMJames Bong.
License to chill?
I agree, said it many times on here that DC has the aura of a Bond villain... kinda ironic for a Bond.
I think I read Henry Cavill was first choice but they eventually decided he was too young? would've fit the role way better imo
Quote from: Trevor on June 10, 2025, 03:42:47 AMExcept for SKYFALL, I never got Daniel Craig as James Bong.
Well, I never saw the attraction of the Bond series as a whole. I mean, I don't dislike them, but I don't see what the fuss is all about.
Quote from: Dr. Whom on June 10, 2025, 11:56:24 AMQuote from: Trevor on June 10, 2025, 03:42:47 AMExcept for SKYFALL, I never got Daniel Craig as James Bong.
Well, I never saw the attraction of the Bond series as a whole. I mean, I don't dislike them, but I don't see what the fuss is all about.
I think they're a good mix of cheesy derring-do and classic '1 man vs the world' heroic escapism... although it's kind of uneven taken as a whole. GOLDFINGER is a very different film to DIE ANOTHER DAY, for example.
Quote from: Dr. Whom on June 10, 2025, 11:56:24 AMWell, I never saw the attraction of the Bond series as a whole. I mean, I don't dislike them, but I don't see what the fuss is all about.
Tend to agree but growing up with the Roger Moore films didn't help. Craig's Casino Royale and License to Kill are the only Bond films I've watched multiple times as they're different to the others. Particularly CR as it doesn't have the tired tropes. I liked Timothy Dalton but the Brosnan films left me cold. Those and the Moore films seemed like a waste of money as they're so retro and cliched.
Quote from: zombie no.one on June 09, 2025, 04:38:09 AMQuote from: M.10rda on June 08, 2025, 07:47:43 PMhad read Michael Tolkin's book a couple years earlier, had loved it, and still do - Altman had no grasp whatsoever on the subtle and bittersweet tone of the book and just made it a cheap nasty comedy, bleh.
on that note, AMERICAN PSYCHO... I read the book before the film came out and what's funny is I distinctly remember thinking multiple times throughout reading it, "please never let anyone try and make a film out of this"... not even Scorcese, or Coen brothers.
it actually took me until about 10 years ago to muster up the [whatever the word is] to watch the film, and it is like the polar opposite of how I interpreted the book. it couldn't have been more 'wrong', IMO
my main gripe is that the satire in the book is intensely deadpan, and I did not get any jokey vibes from Patrick Bateman as a character... in the film he is borderline a clown, and the whole thing looks like it's almost trying to be a musical / outlandish stage production!
I'm almost afraid to read the book. I love the film, but I know if I read it I'll end up hating the film.
The book's writer also wrote Less Than Zero. They made a film in the 80s. He disliked the film overall but praised Robert Downey Jr for his performance. I'm my sure which I like more.
Quote from: HappyGilmore on June 10, 2025, 03:46:29 PMI'm almost afraid to read the book. I love the film, but I know if I read it I'll end up hating the film.
I'm almost afraid to read any of Bret Easton Ellis's
other books :bouncegiggle:
I remember frequently having to put AMERICAN PSYCHO down and walk around the room a bit before continuing !
Quote from: zombie no.one on June 10, 2025, 04:17:11 PMQuote from: HappyGilmore on June 10, 2025, 03:46:29 PMI'm almost afraid to read the book. I love the film, but I know if I read it I'll end up hating the film.
I'm almost afraid to read any of Bret Easton Ellis's other books :bouncegiggle:
I remember frequently having to put AMERICAN PSYCHO down and walk around the room a bit before continuing !
I've only read Less Than Zero and it's sequel Imperial Bedrooms.
I borrowed another from the library but never got to it and returned it
I read American Psycho in high school when it came out. I wasn't that impressed with the movie. I heard some restaurant in New York tried to make a bunch of the weird dishes he named.
"American Psycho" is his best novel by a landslide. It was his third.
"Rules Of Attraction" is also excellent, though - that was his second novel - and I hate the film of that, as well. :bouncegiggle:
"Less Than Zero" was his debut, and I like it well enough. I've never seen the movie, but made as it was amidst the Brat Pack cycle and starring many of its constituents, I suspect it may also mislay some of the darker and weird elements of the novel...
After "Psycho" he wrote two consecutive books of quality - "The Informers", a strong anthology of shorts, which I think also got turned into a film at some point, and "Glamorama", a huge surreal thriller that feels like Ellis got nervous about David Foster Wallace and Chuck Palahniuk and felt the need to write a hysterical meta-fiction epic to stay relevant. (...As if "Psycho" wasn't sufficiently hysterical and meta...) It gets a little lost up its own butt, yet there are many flashes of the same wild humor from the earlier books, like the narrator spotting Janeane Garofalo having brunch with Jason Voorhees. Someone was going to make a GLAMORAMA movie, but after 9/11 it seemed impossible. It's probably possible now, but I don't think anyone cares.
After that I read at least 2 or possibly three more Ellis novels. Each successive one seems more like conscious self-parody, though who knows how conscious Ellis is. He seems to invest more time in public performance art (mostly via podcasting) where he makes lurid, improbable statements... like excusing the behavior of right-wing child predators, stuff like that... the sorts of things you'd expect Patrick Bateman to say. Kinda' makes it hard to defend "American Psycho" in many circles, just as it's hard to defend, I dunno, "The Fountainhead". :bouncegiggle: Thank God for Barthes' Death Of The Author theory!
Casshern
Quote from: M.10rda on June 11, 2025, 07:14:52 PMAfter that I read at least 2 or possibly three more Ellis novels. Each successive one seems more like conscious self-parody, though who knows how conscious Ellis is.
just remembered this interview where he gets trolled. not sure if he realises?
https://youtu.be/i7o8ICoMGfc?si=BjT42Xepl6oXKVy6
I don't think he realizes. Brilliant trolling. I would have loved to have interviewed Mamet after he wrote "The Secret Knowledge" and ask him questions like if any conservatives have chastised him for giving away the hermetic foundation of their profound wisdom.
Quote from: M.10rda on June 11, 2025, 07:14:52 PM"American Psycho" is his best novel by a landslide. It was his third.
"Rules Of Attraction" is also excellent, though - that was his second novel - and I hate the film of that, as well. :bouncegiggle:
"Less Than Zero" was his debut, and I like it well enough. I've never seen the movie, but made as it was amidst the Brat Pack cycle and starring many of its constituents, I suspect it may also mislay some of the darker and weird elements of the novel...
After "Psycho" he wrote two consecutive books of quality - "The Informers", a strong anthology of shorts, which I think also got turned into a film at some point, and "Glamorama", a huge surreal thriller that feels like Ellis got nervous about David Foster Wallace and Chuck Palahniuk and felt the need to write a hysterical meta-fiction epic to stay relevant. (...As if "Psycho" wasn't sufficiently hysterical and meta...) It gets a little lost up its own butt, yet there are many flashes of the same wild humor from the earlier books, like the narrator spotting Janeane Garofalo having brunch with Jason Voorhees. Someone was going to make a GLAMORAMA movie, but after 9/11 it seemed impossible. It's probably possible now, but I don't think anyone cares.
After that I read at least 2 or possibly three more Ellis novels. Each successive one seems more like conscious self-parody, though who knows how conscious Ellis is. He seems to invest more time in public performance art (mostly via podcasting) where he makes lurid, improbable statements... like excusing the behavior of right-wing child predators, stuff like that... the sorts of things you'd expect Patrick Bateman to say. Kinda' makes it hard to defend "American Psycho" in many circles, just as it's hard to defend, I dunno, "The Fountainhead". :bouncegiggle: Thank God for Barthes' Death Of The Author theory!
The Zero film did leave quite a bit out compared to the book. I dig the film for what it was, but I grew up watching the Brat Pack movies. Robert Downey Jr was great in it though.
I've not read Rules of Attraction but did see the movie. Wasn't a fan.
I've heard some of the podcast stuff. Interesting guy.
Lord of the Rings
Part 3, the one that won Best Picture, is complete cowflop. :cheers:
I have successfully resisted all efforts by family, friends and work colleagues (and even random strangers) instructing me to watch the LORD OF THE RINGS movies for the common good.
sometimes you just know when something is not going to be your thing.
Quote from: zombie no.one on June 13, 2025, 03:22:28 AMI have successfully resisted all efforts by family, friends and work colleagues (and even random strangers) instructing me to watch the LORD OF THE RINGS movies for the common good.
sometimes you just know when something is not going to be your thing.
I had one client ask me why I mentioned TLOTRings in my book and I said because of the South African born writer of the original books. Hearing that, the client went 😳😳😳
Quote from: zombie no.one on June 13, 2025, 03:22:28 AMI have successfully resisted all efforts by family, friends and work colleagues (and even random strangers) instructing me to watch the LORD OF THE RINGS movies for the common good.
sometimes you just know when something is not going to be your thing.
Count me in with that sentiment. I feel the same way of the HARRY POTTER films as well.
Quote from: RCMerchant on June 13, 2025, 06:10:25 AMI feel the same way of the HARRY POTTER films as well.
ditto... few years ago one of my work colleagues literally
gasped at me when I said I hadn't seen any of those.
I'm not exactly the target audience :bouncegiggle:
A couple of the HP movies are pretty good but I could never recommend anyone watch all of them (a couple of which are appallingly bad) just to get to the good ones. I mean I guess you could just watch the good ones - it's not like there's actually a consistent narrative that develops, is sustained, and pays off through 7 or 8 movies. :bouncegiggle: That kind of statement could get me punched out in many quarters.
Actually, most or all of them are formulaic in ways that might be reassuring to megafans but are highly puzzling to thinking human beings. In literally each of the first 5 or 6 movies (thus presumably the books as well) they replace the teacher of the exact same course with a new teacher, and each consecutive teacher is evil or insane and tries to murder all the kids etc. This might've been Rowling's idea of a funny running gag, like Spinal Tap's procession of doomed drummers, except it's not a recurring reference in the background, it's literally the central plot of each movie. Like, what the heck was Dumbledore doing, not screening all these applicants a little more carefully before putting them in charge of his students?! :hatred: :lookingup:
Quote from: Trevor on June 09, 2025, 10:58:41 PMQuote from: RCMerchant on June 09, 2025, 07:44:11 PMWho's that guy who did the SHAPE OF WATER? Not a fan of his films either.
Guillermo Del Toro (I think) 🙂🐢
Yes.
He's got a Frankenstein film coming out on Netflix later this year
Quote from: zombie no.one on June 13, 2025, 08:39:34 AMQuote from: RCMerchant on June 13, 2025, 06:10:25 AMI feel the same way of the HARRY POTTER films as well.
ditto... few years ago one of my work colleagues literally gasped at me when I said I hadn't seen any of those.
I'm not exactly the target audience :bouncegiggle:
Exactly. I saw the first two to get me in the mood for the LOTR films coming out soon after. But as they're kids films they didn't stick and I lost interest.
Same with the recent Dune films by Villeneuve - I find them so dull and haven't finished either of them. Why does Villeneuve dull the colours? He did it in Blade Runner:2049 as well. It's a good example of style over substance for me. Some occassional epic scenes but no emotional clout to the characters at all. Everybody plays it dead earnest. There might be a rare flash of humour but even that feels forced. And everybody mumbles or talks in gruff.
Similar can be said for The Batman (2022). But at least that has Paul Dano as The Riddler who comes across as genuinely disturbed. But overall it's too long, unintentionally funny in some bits (I thought Batman and Gordon were going to kiss at one point and Batman wears some deafening heels at the subway station). Again, it's style over substance yet some many people fall for it.
I liked about three hours of THE BATMAN :bouncegiggle: but there was one long sequence that I didn't "get" at all... SPOILERS for a blockbuster superhero movie? Robert Battinson and Commissioner Jeffrey T. Gordon pursue the make-up-less Colin Ferrell on suspicion that he's committed a couple of murders, a long car chase ensues, eventually they apprehend him, and they realize he's not the murderer at all and they've made a mistake and had better release him. Of course, in the course of the Batman-on-Penguin car chase, countless uninvolved vehicles have been run off the road, flipped, crashed, and/or blown up, including at least one tractor trailer, and clearly the result was millions of dollars of damages plus a plurality of lost civilian lives exceeding the number of victims the Penguin was suspected of murdering. No one ever mentions this devastating carnage.
Am I getting old and do I no longer appreciate subtle irony in narrative cinema? Was this 25-minute sequence all a funny gag intended to comment on the mindless destruction of mainstream action movies? Or did I nod off near the end when Battinson saves people from drowning in a big terrorist attack, and do some of the people he saves thank him for saving them, then they slap him in the cowl hard and yell "...But that's for your reckless mass vehicular manslaughter!" :question:
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I never "got" "Pulp Fiction." I saw it during its theatrical run with two friends, who couldn't stop raving about it when we went out for drinks afterward. Meanwhile I was like, "Did we all see the same movie?" because I'd been bored stiff and checking my watch the entire time.
I've tried revisiting it once or twice since then but it's never clicked with me, so I gave up tryin'.
I never understood the fuss over "The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai" either. I remember watching it on HBO as a teen and not "getting" it at all. I revisited it a couple of years ago on Tubi and I still don't "get it."
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on June 15, 2025, 12:58:28 PMI never understood the fuss over "The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai" either. I remember watching it on HBO as a teen and not "getting" it at all. I revisited it a couple of years ago on Tubi and I still don't "get it."
Critics who liked Buckaroo Banzai in 1984 typically praised its bold originality, offbeat sense of humor, and memorable performances—especially from Lithgow and Weller—even if they admitted it was confusing or disjointed. Over time, it's grown into a cult classic largely because of those very traits.
But I can understand not getting Buckaroo Banzai. It's a weird one.
Not one movie, but the Sony Spider-Man Villains Spinoffs.
Venom, Madame Web, Morbious, Kraven. Like, I appreciate exploring other villains, but when they have zero interaction with...you know...Spider-Man? What's the point? Just give up the rights to Marvel so they can be in good movies.
After the first 5 or so years of being exclusively a Spider-Man villain, Venom has had a pretty long career in comics independent of Spidey....... he's had many comics of his own where Spidey doesn't appear etc... so has Morbius, though he wasn't ever nearly as popular or successful a solo act as Venom.
Kraven, though... isn't much outside of Spider-Man comics....... and Madame Web isn't much even in Spider-Man comics. Those were particularly perplexing choices for solo flicks. If they wanted a female vehicle, Sony could have done a Black Cat movie or a Silver Sable movie... both of them are actual "things" in comics and the former has a particularly big following... or a Spider-Woman movie (one of the Spider-Women is in MADAME WEB in a supporting role... maybe Sony just wasn't allowed to use the name in a title).
I mean, yeah, I can agree about Venom, so I could give that one a pass.
Still would've liked some interactions of some kind, even a cameo. Madame Web was used a bit on the 90s tv series.
I'm not sure how long we're getting Spider-Man in the MCU. There's a fourth film in the works and two more Avengers coming in the next year or two. I'd assume it's done after that?
Tom Holland will eventually retire as Peter Parker but there are plans to introduce "Miles Morales" from the animated films in the live-action universe, probably through the next AVENGERS multiverse-hopping film, and then we will get live-action Spider-Miles movies for as long as they make money, or Spider-Gwen, or Penny (?) Parker, who is Peter's Spider-Daughter from some alternate dimension. Disney won't abandon a character as long as they pay dividends.......
I love Miles Morales, so I'd dig it if they do that.
There was the clone storyline back in the 90s, and Ben Reilly was Spider-Man for a bit with a pretty decent costume upgrade. I don't think they'd adapt it, but I'd settle for an animated series.
Quote from: M.10rda on June 15, 2025, 09:59:16 PMKraven, though... isn't much outside of Spider-Man comics....... and Madame Web isn't much even in Spider-Man comics. Those were particularly perplexing choices for solo flicks. If they wanted a female vehicle, Sony could have done a Black Cat movie or a Silver Sable movie... both of them are actual "things" in comics and the former has a particularly big following... or a Spider-Woman movie (one of the Spider-Women is in MADAME WEB in a supporting role... maybe Sony just wasn't allowed to use the name in a title).
Silver Sable and Black Cat (together as a team) was one of the movies Sony had up in the air before it decided to just stop doing Spider-man spinoffs.
Quote from: M.10rda on June 16, 2025, 06:53:10 AMTom Holland will eventually retire as Peter Parker but there are plans to introduce "Miles Morales" from the animated films in the live-action universe, probably through the next AVENGERS multiverse-hopping film, and then we will get live-action Spider-Miles movies for as long as they make money, or Spider-Gwen, or Penny (?) Parker, who is Peter's Spider-Daughter from some alternate dimension. Disney won't abandon a character as long as they pay dividends.......
Peni Parker is actually an alternate universe Peter Parker ... from a universe where he/she's an anime girl that pilots a giant robot. The entire cast of Evangelion can be seen in the backgrounds as her classmates in the comics.
May "Mayday" Parker is the alternate reality/possible future daughter of Spider-man from a world where Spider-man lost his leg in a battle with the Green Goblin and was forced into retirement. Spider-girl's comic series lasted over 100 issues, making it the lost female lead Marvel series EVER.
Sorry. Huge comic nerd. I'll shut up now.
Quote from: chainsaw midget on June 16, 2025, 02:18:18 PMQuote from: M.10rda on June 15, 2025, 09:59:16 PMKraven, though... isn't much outside of Spider-Man comics....... and Madame Web isn't much even in Spider-Man comics. Those were particularly perplexing choices for solo flicks. If they wanted a female vehicle, Sony could have done a Black Cat movie or a Silver Sable movie... both of them are actual "things" in comics and the former has a particularly big following... or a Spider-Woman movie (one of the Spider-Women is in MADAME WEB in a supporting role... maybe Sony just wasn't allowed to use the name in a title).
Silver Sable and Black Cat (together as a team) was one of the movies Sony had up in the air before it decided to just stop doing Spider-man spinoffs.
Quote from: M.10rda on June 16, 2025, 06:53:10 AMTom Holland will eventually retire as Peter Parker but there are plans to introduce "Miles Morales" from the animated films in the live-action universe, probably through the next AVENGERS multiverse-hopping film, and then we will get live-action Spider-Miles movies for as long as they make money, or Spider-Gwen, or Penny (?) Parker, who is Peter's Spider-Daughter from some alternate dimension. Disney won't abandon a character as long as they pay dividends.......
Peni Parker is actually an alternate universe Peter Parker ... from a universe where he/she's an anime girl that pilots a giant robot. The entire cast of Evangelion can be seen in the backgrounds as her classmates in the comics.
May "Mayday" Parker is the alternate reality/possible future daughter of Spider-man from a world where Spider-man lost his leg in a battle with the Green Goblin and was forced into retirement. Spider-girl's comic series lasted over 100 issues, making it the lost female lead Marvel series EVER.
Sorry. Huge comic nerd. I'll shut up now.
Anyway Sadie Sink is playing Mayday Parker in the next movie? She's been cast, but in an unannounced role. Could be Mary Jane, Firestar...Gwen Stacy if she dies her hair blonde.
Cheers to you, Chainsaw! Thanks for correcting the record on the Spider-Girls! Yay for comics! :thumbup: :cheers:
Yeah, I heard something about Sadie Sink, too... STRANGER THINGS S5's loss is the Avengerverse's gain!
Sadie is a great actress. I hope whichever character she ends up with is decently written. Marvel has been a bit iffy since Endgame.
Yes... I thought GOTG3 was great and S-M:NO WAY HOME was okay... AGATHA ALL ALONG was interesting for the most part... beyond that I've been quite discouraged by the last 6 (!) years of stuff. I will watch CAP 4 and THUNDERBOLTS eventually...
I forgot about No Way Home and Guardians 3. They were pretty good.
Post them...I enjoyed Ms. Marvel and Hawkeye. Don't have Disney+ anymore so I missed the other series.
They had a good run. I'm curious about Fantastic Four. I know it leads into the Avengers sequel and the X-Men will be involved.
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I've never seen BILLY MADISON but aside from a few funny moments, HIGH ANXIETY was a bit cringe for me especially where the Doctor is delivering an explicit lecture and he sees there are young ones in the audience. 😳
never 'got' HEAT
I love GOODFELLAS and CASINO, and a bunch of other mid 90s crime type flicks like FARGO and USUAL SUSPECTS (the 4 movies I just mentioned would be in my top 10 movies of all time) but I've never made it to the end of HEAT, after 4 or 5 attempts. doesn't grab me at all... people are/were obsessed with this film though!
struggling to figure out exactly what there is to 'get' about BILLY MADISON in the first place. not exactly haute cinema is it :bouncegiggle:
Quote from: zombie no.one on June 18, 2025, 05:05:20 PMnever 'got' HEAT
I love GOODFELLAS and CASINO, and a bunch of other mid 90s crime type flicks like FARGO and USUAL SUSPECTS (the 4 movies I just mentioned would be in my top 10 movies of all time) but I've never made it to the end of HEAT, after 4 or 5 attempts. doesn't grab me at all... people are/were obsessed with this film though!
I agree with you about HEAT; once was enough for me and I have no desire to revisit it.
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Quote from: zombie no.one on June 18, 2025, 05:05:20 PMnever 'got' HEAT
I love GOODFELLAS and CASINO, and a bunch of other mid 90s crime type flicks like FARGO and USUAL SUSPECTS (the 4 movies I just mentioned would be in my top 10 movies of all time) but I've never made it to the end of HEAT, after 4 or 5 attempts. doesn't grab me at all... people are/were obsessed with this film though!
Before I became celibate in 2004, I was in Heat... Oops, sorry, wrong thread 😳😉😉
MAGNOLIA definitely could've used some revision and serious editing. The Phillip Baker Hall and Cruise/Hoffman/Robards threads are very strong - all the Macy and Reilly stuff just distracts and detracts.
Quote from: Rev. Powell on June 18, 2025, 05:36:48 PMI agree with you about HEAT; once was enough for me and I have no desire to revisit it.
yeah I don't actively try and dislike any movie, but when I have an extra incentive to genuinely
want to like one and I can't, it's kind of disheartening...
Quote from: Trevor on June 18, 2025, 09:22:36 PMBefore I became celibate in 2004, I was in Heat... Oops, sorry, wrong thread 😳😉😉
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Billy Madison is hilarious.
Sorry , I never got Adam Sandler's appeal. He makes me want to scratch my eyes and ears out. My brain, too. Though surprisingly, he's been good in non-comedy roles.
I confess, there is that one absolute classic line in "Billy Madison," though.
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I don't know if it's a generational thing, but he was huge when I was a kid. His comedy cds were on heavy rotation in high school.
I can see how his style might grate on people. I think he's genuinely got talent but stays in his 'lane' and kinda just caters to the lowest common denominator.
Wedding Singer was great, 50 First Dates, Punch Drunk Love.
Anything Woody Allen directed
I never found any movie Charlize Theron did to be even remotely appealing.
Quote from: bob on June 20, 2025, 10:53:14 PMAnything Woody Allen directed
I agree there, especially MANHATTAN which has him having a love affair with a teenage person 😳😳
Quote from: Trevor on June 21, 2025, 01:10:35 AMI never found any movie Charlize Theron did to be even remotely appealing.
Only one I liked was Devil's Advocate, with Al Pacino and Keanu Reeves
Quote from: Trevor on June 21, 2025, 01:10:35 AMI never found any movie Charlize Theron did to be even remotely appealing.
I thought MONSTER (2003) was excellent.
Quote from: HappyGilmore on June 21, 2025, 10:51:44 AMQuote from: Trevor on June 21, 2025, 01:10:35 AMI never found any movie Charlize Theron did to be even remotely appealing.
Only one I liked was Devil's Advocate, with Al Pacino and Keanu Reeves
That's still her best performance! I do love FURY ROAD, of course...
Quote from: M.10rda on June 21, 2025, 04:31:40 PMQuote from: HappyGilmore on June 21, 2025, 10:51:44 AMQuote from: Trevor on June 21, 2025, 01:10:35 AMI never found any movie Charlize Theron did to be even remotely appealing.
Only one I liked was Devil's Advocate, with Al Pacino and Keanu Reeves
That's still her best performance! I do love FURY ROAD, of course...
Haven't seen Fury Road yet. Any good?
Quote from: HappyGilmore on June 21, 2025, 06:56:43 PMQuote from: M.10rda on June 21, 2025, 04:31:40 PMQuote from: HappyGilmore on June 21, 2025, 10:51:44 AMQuote from: Trevor on June 21, 2025, 01:10:35 AMI never found any movie Charlize Theron did to be even remotely appealing.
Only one I liked was Devil's Advocate, with Al Pacino and Keanu Reeves
That's still her best performance! I do love FURY ROAD, of course...
Haven't seen Fury Road yet. Any good?
I thought it was okay.....
Quote from: HappyGilmore on June 21, 2025, 06:56:43 PMQuote from: M.10rda on June 21, 2025, 04:31:40 PMThat's still her best performance! I do love FURY ROAD, of course...
Haven't seen Fury Road yet. Any good?
For some reason this got so on my nerves that I stopped it after about 30 minutes and haven't revisited it since.
I like all the Mad Max movies (even THUNDERDOME!) FURY ROAD is good, but I think FURIOSA may be even better, frankly.
Sure, Max isn't in the last two much, but I never thought Max himself was really the draw. It's the setting/milieu that's the star of these movies.
Quote from: HappyGilmore on June 21, 2025, 06:56:43 PMQuote from: M.10rda on June 21, 2025, 04:31:40 PMQuote from: HappyGilmore on June 21, 2025, 10:51:44 AMQuote from: Trevor on June 21, 2025, 01:10:35 AMI never found any movie Charlize Theron did to be even remotely appealing.
Only one I liked was Devil's Advocate, with Al Pacino and Keanu Reeves
That's still her best performance! I do love FURY ROAD, of course...
Haven't seen Fury Road yet. Any good?
I loved it :teddyr:
Another one I've never "got": David Lynch's "Eraserhead."
I've tried to watch this one three or four times over the years and every time I've bailed out about halfway through. This is out of character for me, as usually I am compelled to watch a movie all the way thru to the end, no matter how bad it is. But "Eraserhead" is just so irritatingly weird that I always say "F this movie!" It's my Kryptonite
Quote from: HappyGilmore on June 21, 2025, 06:56:43 PMQuote from: M.10rda on June 21, 2025, 04:31:40 PMQuote from: HappyGilmore on June 21, 2025, 10:51:44 AMQuote from: Trevor on June 21, 2025, 01:10:35 AMI never found any movie Charlize Theron did to be even remotely appealing.
Only one I liked was Devil's Advocate, with Al Pacino and Keanu Reeves
That's still her best performance! I do love FURY ROAD, of course...
Haven't seen Fury Road yet. Any good?
FURY ROAD is literally incredible, a masterpiece of visionary spectacle as well as being thematically compelling, basically THE HOLY MOIUNTAIN if THE HOLY MOUNTAIN was an action extravaganza, and also incidentally the best MAD MAX movie (none of which are bad).
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on June 22, 2025, 03:13:37 PMAnother one I've never "got": David Lynch's "Eraserhead."
I've tried to watch this one three or four times over the years and every time I've bailed out about halfway through. This is out of character for me, as usually I am compelled to watch a movie all the way thru to the end, no matter how bad it is. But "Eraserhead" is just so irritatingly weird that I always say "F this movie!" It's my Kryptonite
First time I saw this, I was incredibly drunk and then we get the singing last in a radiator and I shut it off.
I watched it fully sober. It's definitely an acquired taste. But it's David Lunch so... :twirl:
WILD AT HEART and MULHOLLAND DRIVE are the only 2 Lynch films I 'get', and both are amazing.
all the rest are too obliquely weird for my liking. (I havent seen the lawnmower one.)
Quote from: M.10rda on June 22, 2025, 04:01:31 PMQuote from: HappyGilmore on June 21, 2025, 06:56:43 PMQuote from: M.10rda on June 21, 2025, 04:31:40 PMQuote from: HappyGilmore on June 21, 2025, 10:51:44 AMQuote from: Trevor on June 21, 2025, 01:10:35 AMI never found any movie Charlize Theron did to be even remotely appealing.
Only one I liked was Devil's Advocate, with Al Pacino and Keanu Reeves
That's still her best performance! I do love FURY ROAD, of course...
Haven't seen Fury Road yet. Any good?
FURY ROAD is literally incredible, a masterpiece of visionary spectacle as well as being thematically compelling, basically THE HOLY MOIUNTAIN if THE HOLY MOUNTAIN was an action extravaganza, and also incidentally the best MAD MAX movie (none of which are bad).
FURY ROAD nabbed another Oscar winner for South Africa: Margaret Sixel, George Miller's editor wife.
ZNO, you would easily get "the lawnmower one". It's just a beautiful sad story about a one-way trip.
Margaret Sixel earned that Oscar!
Quote from: zombie no.one on June 24, 2025, 12:54:22 PMWILD AT HEART and MULHOLLAND DRIVE are the only 2 Lynch films I 'get', and both are amazing.
all the rest are too obliquely weird for my liking. (I havent seen the lawnmower one.)
Not even the ELEPHANT MAN (1980)? Which is about as mainstream as Lynch gets.
Myself, I love all of his work.
I don't care about any of the NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET films. Except the first one was OK.
Quote from: M.10rda on June 24, 2025, 07:42:58 PMZNO, you would easily get "the lawnmower one". It's just a beautiful sad story about a one-way trip.
Margaret Sixel earned that Oscar!
ooh, okay... one to check :thumbup:
Quote from: RCMerchant on June 24, 2025, 10:48:49 PMNot even the ELEPHANT MAN (1980)? Which is about as mainstream as Lynch gets.
yeah my weird aversion to b/w movies kind of scuppers that one for me a bit.
agree with you on NIGHTMARE... the only one I do like is the one every fan hates, FREDDY'S DEAD
Quote from: zombie no.one on June 25, 2025, 04:34:27 AMQuote from: M.10rda on June 24, 2025, 07:42:58 PMZNO, you would easily get "the lawnmower one". It's just a beautiful sad story about a one-way trip.
Margaret Sixel earned that Oscar!
ooh, okay... one to check :thumbup:
Quote from: RCMerchant on June 24, 2025, 10:48:49 PMNot even the ELEPHANT MAN (1980)? Which is about as mainstream as Lynch gets.
yeah my weird aversion to b/w movies kind of scuppers that one for me a bit.
agree with you on NIGHTMARE... the only one I do like is the one every fan hates, FREDDY'S DEAD
Freddy's Dead seems like it's crapped on a bunch. I dig it. Although, of that series, the two best, in my opinion, is the first one, and New Nightmare from 1994.
I've never understood the appeal of the Fast and Furious movies. Like, somehow they made 12 or something and I could barely get passed part one.
Granted my choice in film is a little bit off. I've seen all the Friday the 13th films dozens of times and have the box set, so maybe it's just me. :question:
Quote from: HappyGilmore on June 25, 2025, 06:55:15 AMI've never understood the appeal of the Fast and Furious movies. Like, somehow they made 12 or something and I could barely get passed part one.
seen about half of one of the sequels (no idea which one)... I was surprised how blatantly aimed at kids / young teens it seemed.
QuoteGranted my choice in film is a little bit off. I've seen all the Friday the 13th films dozens of times and have the box set, so maybe it's just me. :question:
that just means you have exquisite taste in cinema :teddyr:
Quote from: RCMerchant on June 24, 2025, 10:48:49 PMNot even the ELEPHANT MAN (1980)? Which is about as mainstream as Lynch gets.
yeah my weird aversion to b/w movies kind of scuppers that one for me a bit.
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That I don't understand. I've met people who refuse to watch black and white movies, and it's a mystery to me as why. You're really missing out on some classic films.
Quote from: RCMerchant on June 25, 2025, 09:42:59 AMQuote from: RCMerchant on June 24, 2025, 10:48:49 PMNot even the ELEPHANT MAN (1980)? Which is about as mainstream as Lynch gets.
yeah my weird aversion to b/w movies kind of scuppers that one for me a bit.
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That I don't understand. I've met people who refuse to watch black and white movies, and it's a mystery to me as why. You're really missing out on some classic films.
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There's so many great older films in black and white. I agree with you. People really miss out.
But, I grew up with a great local/UHF type channel in Philly that in weekends would show great older films. Mostly the Universal horrors and Godzilla/Gamera but others as well. Loved Bride of Frankenstein
Quote from: zombie no.one on June 25, 2025, 07:47:21 AMQuote from: HappyGilmore on June 25, 2025, 06:55:15 AMI've never understood the appeal of the Fast and Furious movies. Like, somehow they made 12 or something and I could barely get passed part one.
seen about half of one of the sequels (no idea which one)... I was surprised how blatantly aimed at kids / young teens it seemed.
QuoteGranted my choice in film is a little bit off. I've seen all the Friday the 13th films dozens of times and have the box set, so maybe it's just me. :question:
that just means you have exquisite taste in cinema :teddyr:
First two were incredibly popular when I was in high school. I feel the target is probably 18-25 year old dude-bros or frat guys.
Just never appealed to me. But they've made a billion dollars so I'm in the minority there.
hang on, you've seen all of them dozens of times and have the box set, but they've never appealed to you? ... I confuse! :question:
Quote from: zombie no.one on June 25, 2025, 01:41:24 PMhang on, you've seen all of them dozens of times and have the box set, but they've never appealed to you? ... I confuse! :question:
No, the box set was about the Friday the 13th.
Other comments were about the Fast and Furious franchise
oh sorry, I get it now.
Acclaimed sports movies like INVICTUS and RUSH which get very little right historically.
INVICTUS has so many historical errors it's almost embarrassing to watch and RUSH presented Formula I racers Niki Lauda and James Hunt as mortal enemies which they weren't. They were rivals on the track but friends off of it.
Also biopics like BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY and ROCKET MAN which play chicken with the facts about Freddie Mercury and Sir Elton John.
the ending of Iceman(1984)
HEAVEN'S GATE is another movie I cannot understand for the acclaim it still gets. It was a huge box office disaster, it almost ruined Michael Cimino's career, it almost destroyed United Artists and it almost ended the western movie genre.
Imagine watching a movie which ran 5 hours 25 minutes and you are told that the final cut will be 15 min shorter 😳😳
The English Patient - It's a decent movie but I don't understand all the hype. And I don't think the burn make-up is even remotely convincing. I spent the whole movie thinking, "That's just make-up."
s**tIZEN KANE. Soul-sucking boredom that gets praised by "inventing" techniques that were already present before in movies like THE ADVENTURES OF ROBIN HOOD, which is a thousand times more fun and pleasant to look at.
Welles' trash was a total flop when it came out and was saved by snob critics decades later who claimed it's the "greatest movie of all time". I find it hard to believe that someone could watch this thing to be actually entertained and not just to claim they've seen it and join the club.
On the same vein, JOKER, just as overrated and boring. It also stole scenes from other movies, like KING OF COMEDY and TAXI DRIVER. I guess it's some kind of habit at this point.
I already know how much I don't / won't / can't 'get' JOKER, without even seeing one clip.
saw CITIZEN KANE in the cinema back in the 90s and thought it was just a bit flat really. no grate sheikhs... (then again I don't 'get' b/w films generally)