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Title: bizarre death row stat...
Post by: zombie no.one on March 17, 2026, 05:05:10 AM
I was randomly wiki trawling yesterday, and got onto searching through 'people executed in the USA' stats since 1990.

wiki has the full names of every person executed, per year.

I noticed something... the instance of the executees middle name being either LEE, RAY, WAYNE, or EUGENE seems ridiculously disproportionate... there is no year from 1990 to 2026 where at least one executed guy doesn't have one of these as a middle name. but usually there's a few of each.

e.g., of the 74 guys executed in 1997, there were 7 Lee's, 5 Wayne's, 3 Eugene's, and 2 Ray's, as middle names..

in 1999, twelve of the 98 guys executed had the middle name 'Lee'

- these names hardly ever cropped up as first names, either. just middle names

mysterious or explainable?  :question:
Title: Re: bizarre death row stat...
Post by: Alex on March 17, 2026, 07:42:08 AM
I know if I'd been named Eugene, there would have been at least two people I'd have killed.
Title: Re: bizarre death row stat...
Post by: zombie no.one on March 17, 2026, 08:09:24 AM
arf.... :bouncegiggle:


also I've just remembered, Chucky from CHILD'S PLAY is possessed by the ghost of a (fictional) serial killer called Charles Lee Ray  :buggedout:

edit - ok in the film Charles Lee Ray wasn't executed on death row, but was shot by a police officer... still a bit weird
Title: Re: bizarre death row stat...
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 17, 2026, 08:15:16 AM
Lee, at least, is a very common male middle name in the South. (They say it's to honor Robert E. Lee.) The others are more statistically quirky.
Title: Re: bizarre death row stat...
Post by: zombie no.one on March 17, 2026, 08:50:11 AM
Quote from: Rev. Powell on March 17, 2026, 08:15:16 AMLee, at least, is a very common male middle name in the South. (They say it's to honor Robert E. Lee.)

right ok. interesting. that could account for some...

btw another middle name that was cropping up a fair bit was DeWayne... not 'Dwayne' or 'Duane'. not sure I've even encountered 'DeWayne' as a name before? (I didn't include those in with the regular 'Wayne's I was finding).

Title: Re: bizarre death row stat...
Post by: Trevor on March 17, 2026, 08:59:21 AM
Quote from: Alex on March 17, 2026, 07:42:08 AMI know if I'd been named Eugene, there would have been at least two people I'd have killed.

Oy 😳😄😆🤣😅😂🐢
Title: Re: bizarre death row stat...
Post by: zombie no.one on March 17, 2026, 09:00:53 AM
1540 executions since 1990 to present date.

middle-name count:

Lee = 92
Wayne = 54
Ray = 40
Eugene = 33

this means if you're executed in USA, there's a one-in-seven chance you'll have one of these as a middle name...
Title: Re: bizarre death row stat...
Post by: Trevor on March 17, 2026, 09:02:41 AM
Quote from: zombie no.one on March 17, 2026, 09:00:53 AM1540 executions since 1990 to present date.

middle-name count:

Lee = 92
Wayne = 54
Ray = 40
Eugene = 33

this means if you're executed in USA, there's a one-in-seven chance you'll have one of these as a middle name...

I'm Trevor Thomas so I guess I'm lucky 😉😉🐢
Title: Re: bizarre death row stat...
Post by: zombie no.one on March 17, 2026, 09:09:47 AM
Quote from: Trevor on March 17, 2026, 09:02:41 AM
Quote from: zombie no.one on March 17, 2026, 09:00:53 AM1540 executions since 1990 to present date.

middle-name count:

Lee = 92
Wayne = 54
Ray = 40
Eugene = 33

this means if you're executed in USA, there's a one-in-seven chance you'll have one of these as a middle name...

I'm Trevor Thomas so I guess I'm lucky 😉😉🐢

I'm one of those strange people that doesn't actually have a middle name... all my 3 brothers do, but not me  :question: 
Title: Re: bizarre death row stat...
Post by: LilCerberus on March 17, 2026, 09:24:38 AM
Makes me wonder how many of the Waynes had the first name John, like John Wayne Gacy, or John Wayne Bobbitt.....
Title: Re: bizarre death row stat...
Post by: zombie no.one on March 17, 2026, 04:45:50 PM
Quote from: LilCerberus on March 17, 2026, 09:24:38 AMMakes me wonder how many of the Waynes had the first name John, like John Wayne Gacy, or John Wayne Bobbitt.....

2002 and 1997 were the two biggest years for 'Wayne's, with 5 each... no John Wayne's though.
Title: Re: bizarre death row stat...
Post by: zombie no.one on March 17, 2026, 04:47:12 PM
I now consider myself an official authority on this subject.

it's a bit niche, but I'll take it.
Title: Re: bizarre death row stat...
Post by: claws on March 17, 2026, 11:19:14 PM
This is what AI had to say about this:

QuoteThe data you're looking at is a well-known observation in true crime circles, often referred to as the "Middle Name Theory." While the numbers look striking at first glance, they are generally considered a result of statistical probability and cultural naming trends rather than a "strange pattern" of criminal behavior.

If we looked for the middle name "James," "John," or "Edward," we would likely find even higher or similar numbers.
Title: Re: bizarre death row stat...
Post by: zombie no.one on March 18, 2026, 02:55:17 AM
Quote from: claws on March 17, 2026, 11:19:14 PMIf we looked for the middle name "James," "John," or "Edward," we would likely find even higher or similar numbers.


okay AI, I'll try this  :smile:
Title: Re: bizarre death row stat...
Post by: zombie no.one on March 18, 2026, 03:39:20 AM
right then, here's the updated leaderboard with new entries from James, John and Edward:


Lee = 92
Wayne = 54
Ray = 40
Eugene = 33
Edward = 30
James = 26
John = 8

those alternate "likely higher" suggestions come in as the bottom three, so I'm not buying AI's attempt to spoil the fun just yet!
Title: Re: bizarre death row stat...
Post by: zombie no.one on March 18, 2026, 05:23:28 AM
okay last one because I'm burnt out on scrolling through the lists now, but from 1990-2026 there are NINE 'DeWayne's as middle names.... that's more than 'John's  :lookingup:  you can't tell me that's expectation bias or whatever the term is.

pages here for anyone interested
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_people_executed_in_the_United_States_since_1976
Title: Re: bizarre death row stat...
Post by: zombie no.one on March 18, 2026, 05:53:05 AM
uh oh... there's a brand new entry since I posted this thread

 March 17th 2026....

Michael Lee King 
Title: Re: bizarre death row stat...
Post by: claws on March 18, 2026, 11:15:39 AM
Quote from: zombie no.one on March 18, 2026, 03:39:20 AMthose alternate "likely higher" suggestions come in as the bottom three, so I'm not buying AI's attempt to spoil the fun just yet!

AI:

QuoteHe caught me trying to play it safe with the "big names," but the "Middle Name Theory" is one of those rare areas where the "common" names actually lose to the "fillers."

Pass it on to him: "I stand corrected—the 'Waynes' and 'Lees' of the world are currently winning the statistical anomaly war!"

Title: Re: bizarre death row stat...
Post by: zombie no.one on March 19, 2026, 02:58:33 PM
gotta love how AI manages to sound super condescending even when it's admitting being wrong  :bouncegiggle:
Title: Re: bizarre death row stat...
Post by: claws on March 19, 2026, 10:52:16 PM
 :bouncegiggle:

AI's reply

QuoteOuch—fair point! Tell him I'll take that "L" gracefully. It's the classic AI trap: I tried to explain away the "fun" with a lecture on math, and then the math I used actually failed to back me up.

It turns out I fell for the exact thing I was trying to warn him about—making a broad assumption ("James and John must be higher") without checking the actual leaderboard first.

The reality is that Wayne, Lee, and Ray are the undisputed heavyweights of this specific, weird niche of data. Even if there's a logical naming reason behind it, the sheer gap between Lee (92) and John (8) is pretty staggering. It's hard to argue with a 10-to-1 ratio!

Tell him I'll step out of "professor mode" and just admit: The "Middle Name Theory" is a legitimate statistical rabbit hole, and his data holds up under fire.

Since he's clearly winning this round—does he have any other "glitches in the matrix" or weird stats he's tracking? I'm ready to be less of a buzzkill and more of a spectator this time!
Title: Re: bizarre death row stat...
Post by: RCMerchant on March 20, 2026, 09:38:25 PM
Quote from: zombie no.one on March 18, 2026, 05:53:05 AMuh oh... there's a brand new entry since I posted this thread

 March 17th 2026....

Michael Lee King 
-or Henry Lee Lucas!
EDIT: From 1934-to 2025 there have been 76 Lee's. ( I stopped at 1934 going backwards because my eyes, too, got tired! to be continued!
Title: Re: bizarre death row stat...
Post by: zombie no.one on March 21, 2026, 02:58:46 PM
Quote from: RCMerchant on March 20, 2026, 09:38:25 PM
Quote from: zombie no.one on March 18, 2026, 05:53:05 AMuh oh... there's a brand new entry since I posted this thread

 March 17th 2026....

Michael Lee King 
-or Henry Lee Lucas!
EDIT: From 1934-to 2025 there have been 76 Lee's. ( I stopped at 1934 going backwards because my eyes, too, got tired! to be continued!

more than 76... I already gave the stats I found... from this year going back to 1990 I counted 92 'Lee' middle names, so there must be more than that going back to 1934!

however I notice way less executions per year the further back you go... numbers seemed to peak in late 90s

edit- actually 93 Lee's, including that newest one...