Since someone asked you what movie best portrays the army, then i'm asking what movie(s) do think worstly (I'm sure that's not a real word) portray the military or are the most offensive. Off the top of my head I think the military in "King Kong Lives" were very inacurrate. I mean I think makers of the movie were double attacking two groups 1) the military 2) the Southern U.S.
All the military had Southern accents and were d*** heads , which to me is just plain rude! So that's all my ravings, what have seen as the most disrespectful movie portaying the military?
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The most realistic boot camp scenes I have seen are from FULL METAL JACKET and THE BOYS IN COMPANY C
The LEAST realistic military movie I have seen is SOUTHERN COMFORT. There is no way on earth that the National Guard would be running around in a swamp (very close to where people live) carrying live ammunition.
I remember the first sequence in "Twilight Zone the Movie" when Vic Morrow's character get thrown into Vietnam.
The squad of American soldiers approaches at night through a swamp, most of them with lit cigarettes blaring Jimi Hendrix's "Purple Haze" on the radio!!
Now THAT'S a bad representation!
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They might as well be carrying a big f**king neon sign saying"I´m a dumbass-come kill me".
There's one 1950s-1960s ish movie, about recruits going through basic training. The DI keeps pushing them harder, because he saw one of his friends get shot while reaching for a canteen. I don't remember the title, but the movie was striking because the DI kept calling the recruits "miserable young people." I've never gone through basic training, but from what I understand about it, recruits are never recognized as human beings.
Now I understand that the movie couldn't use all the cussing that DIs give (since the movie was made in the 50s-60s) but this is one instance where trying to be clean really rings hollow.
Any ideas as to the title?
I don´t know,but"Tigerland"kicks its ass anyway.
There´s a scene when one recruit is forcet to put his genitals between two live wires...
Raj wrote:
"There's one 1950s-1960s ish movie, about recruits going through basic training. The DI keeps pushing them harder, because he saw one of his friends get shot while reaching for a canteen. I don't remember the title, but the movie was striking because the DI kept calling the recruits "miserable young people." I've never gone through basic training, but from what I understand about it, recruits are never recognized as human beings.
Any ideas as to the title?"
Could this be THE D.I., starring Jack Webb (of Dragnet fame)?
I only saw this movie once. The only thing I remember is that Webb plays a drill instructor and he gives one recruit a really hard time. I think the recruit is a rich kid or the son of a politician or something. Anyway, the kid's mother shows up and Webb thinks she is going to get him into trouble for giving her son a hard time. Instead, she tells Webb to keep the pressure on because her son is spoiled and she wants to toughen him up (or something like that).
Could this be the movie you are talking about?
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The Burgomaster wrote:
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> Could this be THE D.I., starring Jack Webb (of Dragnet fame)?
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There was also a movie, made for television, that starred Darren McGavin and Jan Michael Vincent about a DI and a recruit. I think it was called Tribes.
One minor point about Southern Comfort, the Guardsmen were carrying blanks...one moron's firing off some rounds at a group of Cajun hunters is what started the whole mess. But the movie did show the National Guard in a poor light.
Chadzilla wrote:
> One minor point about Southern Comfort, the Guardsmen
> were carrying blanks...one moron's firing off some
> rounds at a group of Cajun hunters is what started the whole
> mess. But the movie did show the National Guard in a poor
> light.
I remember the guy firing blanks, but didn't someone eventually dig out some live ammo? (Maybe I'm wrong).
Even at that, the military is pretty careful about blanks, too. I seem to remember a lot of the guys horsing around, firing blanks at each other or something at the beginning of the movie. That would certainly NOT be tolerated (in fact, the guys would certainly have been disciplined right on the spot . . . at a minimum).
Now you've made me want to dig out this damned movie and watch it again!
The Burgomaster wrote:
> I remember the guy firing blanks, but didn't someone eventually
> dig out some live ammo? (Maybe I'm wrong).
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I dunno, it wasn't the lead characters (played by Keith Carradine and Powers Booth), that's for sure. During the big face down in the Cajun camp at the end, Carradine unloads a round of blanks at one of the bad guys, who just stands there looking at Carradine like he was nothing but a stain on the wall. I seem to remember it as Carradine and Boothe remaining unarmed to the very end, I think. But the rest of the guy's were strictly offerings from Morons Are Us. And yeah, they would have their asses kicked right into jail for the crap they pulled on those hunters.
IIRC, they'd also murdered their officer and left him behind. Only problem was, he had the maps, so now they were lost. Lost and stupid!
Thanks, but it's not the movie I am thinking of. The one I'm thinking of is more about a DI whipping into shape a whole bunch of recruits, while battling his own demon of having seen his friend shot.
It's not Tribes either. There weren't hippies around when this one was made (I think, there weren't any hippies in it anyhow, as far as I can recall)
I tried doing a "similar to" search on Amazon, for The D.I., it didn't come up this way either.
The best description I can come up with is the phrase "miserable young people", what the DI called the recruits.
Dang.
"The Trial of Billy Jack" is pretty darn bad. The National Guard just start shooting the kids at the school for no reason. Including one kid who was running to save his burro.
The only way to make the soldiers more evil would have been horns and tails.
A bunch of zombie movies use the military as the bad guy too. We develop terrible weapons, with no thought for consequences. Or else we shoot innocents that could be infected with whatever is loose.
I've always scratched my head about the serious lack of supporting arms in "Starship Troopers." In the book, it is obvious, because each man is a walking tank.
Well if I ever make a movie about the Zombies on the loose i'll have the army be the good guys and try and make the scientist work with them for once and the two actually work well toegher now that's how my Zombie movie would work.
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Andrew have you ever seen the recent and unbearably sucky "Spiders?"
my best friend was in the Army and throughout the whole movie he was yelling "that's not how the army does it!"
I sure have seen "Spiders." The worst part of that movie is when the good government spook goes to shoot the bad government spook and his weapon does not fire. It is empty! But the slide is not locked to the rear! (An auto pistol will lock to the rear when empty.) Heck, I think the hammer is even uncocked.
I guess it could have been a weird mechanical failure or a bad magazine. Still, if they wanted that to happen the good spook should have been using a revolver.
then i'm asking what movie(s) do think worstly (I'm sure that's not a real word) portray the military or are the most offensive.
You should ask the guy at "Dante's Inferno and All Night Video Store" He seems to review a lot of movies that tend to portray the military and govenment poorly
It is empty! But the slide is not locked to the rear! (An auto pistol will lock to the rear when empty.)
I thought I caught something like that in "US Marshalls", where Tommy Lee Jones switches clips with the bad secret agent who later tries to shoot him. I would sorta assume there would still be a round in the chamber even after switching with an empty clip
I saw that film oooh about 30 years ago - can't remember the title either and I can't be bothered to check on IMDB, but the lead was Richard Widmark and Karl Malden was another DI. The scene that sticks with me is one young recruit going to confess, only to be pre-empted by being told "You want to kill your DI, don't you?"
> I saw that film oooh about 30 years ago - can't remember the
> title either and I can't be bothered to check on IMDB, but the
> lead was Richard Widmark and Karl Malden was another DI. The
> scene that sticks with me is one young recruit going to
> confess, only to be pre-empted by being told "You want to kill
> your DI, don't you?"
I checked the IMDB and it turns out to be "Take the High Ground!"
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0046398
Maybe he was using some ancient autoloader that doesn't have lockback. It still doesn't make sense.
Oh yeah I forgot about "spiders"
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