I just rented “Star Trek Nemesis†and it was a horrible movie, to say the least. First of all, the script does a poor job of moving the action, which is just as nonexistent.
This seems to be a homage to Picard, as he is the only character getting stage time. The rest of the crew act as back drop. Especially Commander Riker, who seems to carry a vague expression throughout the film and even after his wife, Deana Troy, is violated. He seems to have nothing to do with this movie. He eventually finds something to do â€" avenge his wife’s dignity.
We also run into the usual predicaments: someone takes over or steals the ship’s information from outside the bridge, the shields are fading, fading, but never gone and the reactor leaks. Maybe it’s time someone outside the Star Trek genre direct a Trek movie?...
Surprisingly enough, Brent Spiner’s character, Data, is killed off... Perhaps the Star Trek promoters felt Data was becoming too “human†to work with? Whatever the case, we are left with the impression that he will be replaced with another android, who is also Brent Spiner (Data’s brother), but is less developed. Maybe a star fleet movie is in store for the NEW Data? Otherwise, the NEW Data will assume the role left by Wesley Crusher...
Nemesis is intended to be the last of the TNG movies and you are correct, it wasn't very good. Too much of the road too often travelled. We wind up with another of Data's brothers (Yawn!) and another case of Picard's DNA being used by aliens. Couldn't we have possibly came up with something even a tad bit more original?
Worf is around for purely comic relief and why is he here anyway? Isn't he off being the Klingon diplomatic ambassador or something?. The rest of the cast doesn't really do much and what the hell is Wes Crusher doing at the wedding in a Starfleet dress uniform. Last time we checked, he quit Starfleet and went exploring the universe with the Traveller. And Admiral Janeway??? (I guess, at least it wasn't a 200 year old Archer from Enterprise). If they were really itching for a cameo, Lt. Nog would have been nice to have on board. What did Kathy do to garner such a promotion? Jean-Luc has been Captaining the fleets flagship for a decade and a half and is still Captain (Of course, they offered him the promotion at least once). At least Riker finally got off his ass and accepted one.
I think one of the reasons they killed off Data was the natural fact that Brent Spiner has aged and Data should really still look like he did in "Farpoint".
You got off easy with a rental, because I actually bought the DVD.
The Nosferatu-like Remans were interesting with their non-rotating world (probably such a species would inhabit on the twilight band circling the planet and not the dark side, but I'm being nitpicky). So, now it seems that ages ago, the ancient Romulans left Vulcan and plunked themselves down in a system that already had an advanced species living in it.
Who knows what the future has in store for Trek on the big screen.
It was better than Insurrection but that's damning with faint praise.
I just love Picard's sensitive reaction to Troi's rape:
Troi: Captain, I'm being repeatedly mind raped. Please let me leave the ship.
Picard: I need you. You'll just have to deal with it.
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SkullNinja wrote:
> You got off easy with a rental, because I actually bought the
> DVD.
I don't feel so bad for having seen it in the theater. Gawd the wedding scene was painful.
I loved this one!
Then again I like ANYTHING Star Trek.
Can I need her next?
The thing I found peculiar was that they suddenly decided that Picard was completely bald since his youth. Huh?
thats because Patrick stewart has been bald since he was 19 :P
C'mon, guys. What did you expect? It's STAR TREK for god's sake...
Don't get me wrong, I love Star Trek, but it's still Star Trek.
I haven't seen this one, and after the cinematic swill that was "Insurrection", I don't intend to. My wife, a major fan of Star Trek, went to see it and said it was bad - laughably bad. Her critical assessment was that the film was "dead on it's arse" and had probably killed the Star Trek film franchise. Given it's extremely sluggish box office, she may be right.
Stewart maybe, but we've seen lots of young Picard flashbacks with hair. I recall Stewart even had a rug on in one.
A pity, because the Trekkies really deserve good moives, at least for their uncondicional support to the franchise. What went wrong with the STNG movies? The first one was dull and unespectacular, but they seemed to be on the right path with First contact. And from then everything went downhill. Personally, I found this last instalment totally wasted celluloid. It was boring, repetitive, actors seemed to be out of batteries, lots of stupid things, and then, the only good idea, the Picard clone, was completely wasted. As somebody said up there, all seemed done before. And much better, I might add.
I finally got around to renting this DVD tonight. Where have all the entertaining movies gone?
I watched Star Trek: The Next Generation off and on for a few years. Wasn't there all kinds of trouble with an android brother of Data's called "Lore"? Why reconstruct the fragmented android and give him all of Data's memories?
The dune buggy scene made me think someone spliced in footage from MEGAFORCE.
It's not very comforting to know that wedding entertainment does not improve any during the next 500 years.
I remember, as a kid, wanting to see more realistic action and technology in science fiction movies. I was wrong. If the visuals are cheesy I can use my 'suspension of disbelief' much more easily. If filmmakers insist that the visuals must be spectacular how about investing more time and money on a believable script?
Scott
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Harumph....
That dune buggy chase....Arrg!
Not only was it so flippin MEGAFORCE, but the idea of phasers being such limeted wepons! Its a continuious beam capable wepon! Fire and correct aim as you go! Its like walking a line of tracers onto a target with a gatling! I've seen it done by Spector gunships over Iraq!
Oh, wait....what would shorten the scene.....might even resault in our charcters getting offed in the first few seconds of the confrontation.....
realy...what was i thinking?.....
Data has more unknown relatives, it seems, then Dar from Beastmaster..
Wow, somebody dug deep to revive this thread.
I found Nemesis to be a huge disappointment. Seems like after First Contact, they stopped writing movies and started dusting off unused episode ideas and expanding them to feature length. That's the feeling I get from watching them â€" they'd have made decent episodes, but they just aren't good enough for movies. Insurrection was like that. What was there to really care about in that movie?
The first seven had a weapon of mass destruction in the hands of a great TOS villain, Spock getting killed and resurrected, stealing the Enterprise and blowing it up, snatching whales from the past (present) to save the Earth, making peace with the Klingons, teaming up Kirk and Picard, blowing up another Enterprise, fighting off a Borg invasion while warp drive is invented, with the future of the Federation at stake. Lots of interesting characters, big battles and memorable scenes.
The last two just don't have the grand themes of the others. Even the sucky part 5 at least felt like a movie, not a dressed up episode.
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On the other hand, it did have Ron Perlman, a great b-movie actor, albeit in a less-than-memorable role (Shinzon's viceroy).
Max Gardner wrote:> Shinzon
No one has mentioned this, but I know it can't just be me who thought Shinzon looked like Keannu Reeves playing "Dr. Evil". I couldn't take the guy seriously. Worse bit of Star Trek villain casting since Christopher Lloyd as a Klingon warrior (Everyone I know who saw that movie in the early 1980s kept flashing to the "Reverend Jim" character from the TV show TAXI).
The problem with Star Trek is that it's just played out. You have writers who cannot come up with original ideas because they have a set piece plot foundation (familiar characters in Sterfleet on a starship) and there have been literally hundreds of stories already written. Of course they're repeating themselves - how many more original plots can there be??
Then you have the actors. Let's be honest - not a one of them (in any of tar Trek's incarnations) was really much of an actor to begin with. Then they play these same parts over and over and over again - on TV, at conventions, in movies, probably in their sleep. They get so set in the roles that with rare exceptions it winds up being the only thing they ever do in their career. The cast in insurrection reminded me of the surly teenager in the mouse costume at Chucky Cheese at the end of the summer... they had that "somebody just shoot me" look.
Artistically speaking, there are really just two options for the Star Trek universe:
1) get the hell away from Star Fleet and show us another setting.
2) just bury it, man.
Grumpy Guy wrote:
> C'mon, guys. What did you expect? It's STAR TREK for god's
> sake...
That's not an excuse for a bad movie.
...
God, I am such a hypocrite.
I love Star Trek and I was seriously considering the Nemesis chapter as my next pick for rental. However, what you said about it kinda killed my interest now.
Some logic might have helped this movie. Seems they could detect the 'positronic' signals from Data Gump's brain from half way across the galaxy, but the tricorder wouldn't pick them up from three feet away. The whole dune buggy chase seemed tacked on just so they would have an action sequennce.
I have to say it wasn't as big a snooze as Star Trek: Infarction (or whatever the last one was called). I just don't care about the TNG crew anymore. I didn't realize how boring they were until DS9's third season.
I'm going to cease now before I get into a rant, Star Trek is favorite of mine and I get a little heated about the way Paramount is milking the money cow without regard to the fans .
I think they should make one more STAR TREK movie with the original cast. It could be called ONE FLEW OVER THE CAPTAIN'S NEST. Here's the plot:
James T. Kirk (William Shatner) is committed to a mental institution where he has hallucinations that he is still in command of the Enterprise. He also has an imaginary friend with pointy ears who he calls "Spock."
Box office gold!
Naw Brother.....
Ignore them!
Nemesis was very good I thought.
I was drawn into it from the get go and found it very enjoyable!
Watch out! Hollywood is desperate for ideas and they just might lift yours because it actually sounds like something they'd do. ; )
Hey....there is a series of books about the exploits of the Starship Excaliber....
Who Says the movies have to be about the Enterprise?
New crew....new problims....new monsret fodder, even!
"Red shirt = death, got it, Lt. Lefcowitz?"
Haha!! They could have Scotty's funeral. Bagpipes wail as a piano crate is lowered into a plus-sized grave.
The grave cannae take it capn'!
Nemesis really was a boreathon of a snoozefest - but as far as I can tell, they were just distilling the essence of tedium and lameness for the purposes of Enterprise. I feel that quite a few people here are embittered ST fans - you have every reason to feel that way, I think. They've really run the franchise into the ground and as a swan song for the TNG cast this was pretty poor.
Apparently Brent Spiner asked them to kill him off not only because he thought he was looking too old etc but also because he just didn't want to get his character roped in later or anything like that and quite frankly who can blame him. TOS fans must have felt the same after ST5 - the journey to some swirley blue stuff.
But there were just so many things wrong with it, from the script, to the pacing, direction, continuity - having Janeway in it (the only possible reason I can think of for promoting someone not only violated the prime directive every week, not to mention the temporal prime directive and kept her not too sharp crew trapped in the Delta quadrant for 7 years is because they wanted her off a ship) to just the sheer boring lack of scope.
I agree that this felt like a few unused episodes dusted off and put together like a cut-and-shut car. Picard clone, Data's brother *and* Romulan WMD? If someone wants to redeem ST from being a tired old hack ridden geek show, the course of action is clear. Take Berman and Braga outside and shoot them. Axe Enterprise. Kill the entire Voyager cast... just in case.
Actually, Tenebrae old sport, you have a point. Since the ST film franchise has just about been rendered comatose by "Nemesis", they ought to go the whole hog and have a really, truly, final STNG film, where the whole cast except Picard get killed off. Have an opening skirmish where one of the second-string characters dies (painfully!!); have a big space battle mid-way where half the remaining cast die (equally painfully!!!); have a final humungous space battle in which everyone except Picard dies, and even he's crippled and has to retire to grow grapes.
Nah, that would be too sensible. Just take Brannon & Braga outside and mercifully shoot them!
Wow, that even offers a perfect opportunity to blow up another Enterprise!
Make it a musical!
I think Nemesis should have ended differently and it would have taken care of everything Conrad would like to do.
Riker gets really upset over the mind-rape of his new wife Troi and goes berserk. When Picard tries to stop him, Riker flushes him out an airlock , starts the auto destruct counter , rushes onto the bridge, phasers Worf, calls up the little joystick thingy he drove the ship with in Infarction and rams the Enterprise right up the ass of s**t..... Shinzon's ship and blows everything to hell. Then Johnathan Frakes wins the Oscar for best animated two by four.
As I see it, the problem with the Star Trek movies is the same as with the Alien movies and others; they keep giving the movies to different writers and directors with wildly different styles. I knew when I saw a behind the scenes special on Nemesis and they talked about how they wanted to take the series in a new direction, that it was going to suck. Each new director sees the film as a chance to express themselves and put their own special touch on it, regardless of what the fans want. Look at what Joel Spewmacher did to the Batman films.
I thought Shinzon looked more like the Krank from The City of Lost Children when he was younger in his dream.
f**k You