Saw the tv teaser for "Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle" tonight. What immediately struck me was Demi Moore using a Desert Eagle automatic pistol. Heck, I think she even had two: one in each hand.
Film makers seem to love giving people a "Big Ass Gun" (BAG) and the Desert Eagle is their Holy Grail. Have any of these people fired one? The .50 cal version weighs in at 96 ounces! That is 6 lbs of handgun and it still kicks like a .44 shooting hot loads. I do not like shooting a Desert Eagle and I shoot all the time, mostly .45 and .22 (when I want to plink or spend lots of time getting in practice).
The Desert Eagle also pops up in a few other movies. "Sleepstalker" comes to mind.
Anyway, can anyone else think of movies with BAGs that are just plain ill used?
Given my choice, I will either shoot my tuned S&W 4566, a good, full-sized Kimber .45 (1911 action), or a Springfield full-sized (again, 1911) with the trigger pull reduced. 36-40 ounces feels really good and a .45 with 3 lbs of trigger pull, a fitted bushing, and a polished slide is just plain fun to shoot.
Websites:
Magnum Research (http://www.magnumresearch.com) (Desert Eagle)
Kimber (http://www.kimberamerica.com)
Springfield Armory (http://www.springfield-armory.com/index.shtml)
"Bullet Tooth Tony" makes that big speech to the three black guys in Snatch.
They point replicas at him and then he brandishes the real thing.
I like how the camera scrolls down the side of the weapon close up where it says "Desert Eagle .50"!
But I think he puts it to good use in that film.
He kills "Boris the Blade" with it!
Takes like 6 shots!
Yeah right!
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Being that I don't know a great deal about guns other than the high "you can't do that without breaking your arm" factor in a lot of movies with big ones, what the hell is Rutger Hauer's gun in Split Second, the big strange handgun. Obviously an amalgamation of different guns, but what is it based on?
Brother R
to brother r. in split second rutger's gun is a fa (fully automatic) rotary shotgun. pretty sure there is no such thing although i have heard of a fa shotgun that uses a stick and/or drum magazine. looks like a m-16 on steroids! Remington made a 12 shot rotary shotgun called the street sweeper in the 90's for a few years but discontinued it when it was placed on the destructive device list by the atf. the street sweeper is another frequent movie gun because it looks badass.
to andrew. the one movie that always struck me as funny was sabertooth. near the end a character gets with a .45 win mag in the shoulder from about 15 feet and not only is the arm still attached but he uses the arm to climb a rock if i remember correctly. have you ever shot any of the ruger p series 45's? i own one and love it. very little kick for a 45 and great fun. im not a huge fan of the 1911 frame's but i do like the para-ordanance line of 45's.
To ahab: thanks brother, but I knew about that streetsweeper and I know the rotary shotgun isn't real. I was talking about his handgun that he uses in the PMS shooting range.
Brother R
I heard the .50 Desert Eagle is standard issue to members of the Israeli army. Damn.
Of all the guns I'd like to own, I think a Desert Eagle .50 would be my first choice. You can control that thing, and you control whatever the hell you want. In Snatch they did a fantastic job at making that .50 look cool as hell, and then I watched the whole Cowboy Bebop series and saw all the guns used in the show, and I was just like "dayum." They make replicant .50 Desert Eagle air soft pellet guns that are exact weight and everything except for the cartridge due to the obvious lack of weight those pellets have. My friend has one, and I held it once. It was like butta. Smooth creamy butta in my hands. I hope I don't come off as dangerous to you all now.
Scottie
Not a film, but I remember reading a Bob Shaw short story, can't remember the title, a mix of Western, time-travel and SF. One character of the 1880's is given a modern day .44 Magnum to fire, scoffs at it, pulls the trigger and is hit on the head when recoil throws it up in their face.
What I have also noticed in films from "The Mask" onwards is the silly habit of holding a gun sideways, i.e. the shooter's wrist is at 90 degrees to what it ought to be. WTF? Annoying!
Yep, if a Desert Eagle was perfect for any character, it would be Bullet Tooth Tony. Goes nicely with the sword.
Scottie wrote: Of all the guns I'd like to own, I think a Desert Eagle .50 would be my first choice. You can control that thing, and you control whatever the hell you want.
I'm curious about this statement. Do you mean that if you had a DE .50, you would be the "baddest dude on the block?" I am guessing (and hoping) that you are not old enough to own a firearm yet. As someone who carries a gun every day, I have to say that your attitude worries me. You DO NOT draw, brandish, flash or even mention that you have a firearm unless it is a life or death situation. Period.
Do you understand that even a justified shooting with no charges can cost you thousands in legal fees? Every morning when you put on that holster and pistol, you pray that you will not need it that day and you will return home safe that night.
Anyone who runs around waving a gun to look cool is a fool and a punk. Shut your yap and stop making the rest of us responsible gun owners look bad.
Other stuff:
The current sidearm of the IDF is the Glock, some units still use the IMI Jericho of the SiG 226.
The Streetsweeper and the Striker 12 were originally South African exports, I believe Georgia Arms produced them in the US for a while. Classified as a destructive device by the ATF, you can own one if you live in a class 3 state and do your paperwork.
Kirk
NRA, TSRA
Yo, when you live on the streets yo. All you gotta worry about is feeding yo family and keeping yo head in place. And if dat means holdin a big gun, then BLAM! I got yo.
Owning a gun is my vain street mentality.
I'm not from the streets, so I'll never own a gun. And I'm just old enough to buy one should I ever want to make a bad choice. I just turned 18 the beginning of June. Happy birthday me!
So, no. I probably wouldn't own a .50, or a .45, or a 30/30, or a 10 gauge or 12 gauge, or even a .22. Just like nice cars, I think they look cool, but I'll probably never have one. I hope that clears things up.
Scottie
uh ok DAD! (Kirk)
I do believe Scott WAS JOKING!!
Alot of us do that on here.
Now what were we talking about?
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Smith & Wesson have a new revolver, the S&W 50. A five shot DA piece with more power then a .454 Cassull! Yeesh!
Such power in a handgun has praticle limets. Never shot a .44 mag, will only do it once. I like the .45 acp, and thats big enough, thank you! If you miss that first shot, a guy with a 9mm can drill you rather nicely, while your struggeling to bring the barrel back down from the stratosphear! The big bores are backup guns in Grizzley Bear country...nought else.
Remember, a 22. will kill you. The bigger the bore, the faster the incapasatation of an attacker, but thats kinda the only real advantage.
Rifles: The pros wepon of choice.
On that note, the .50 cal Barrett semi autos in "Robocop" and a few other flicks are impressive. Burt Gummer should have used one of those, not the single shot Grizzley in "Tremors 2".
Diden't Clint Eastwood use a 20mm cannon in a bank job once?"Thunderbolt and Lightfoot?" was it?
andrew...have i told you lately how much i like your website???
with all that fire power lying around, i want to make sure i'm still on your good side...
;)
Flangepart wrote: Smith & Wesson have a new revolver, the S&W 50. A five shot DA piece with more power then a .454 Cassull! Yeesh!
Wait until the 4-inch barreled version comes out. That will be an absolute beast to fire. I've shot a 4" Dan Wesson .44 Magnum and THAT was a wild ride. Made my .40 Browning seem pretty tame by way of comparison.
If you want to test the limits of your recoil tolerance, try a TC contender in .45-70. My reloading manual describes it best: "This is not a cartridge for handgunners of faint heart."
ASHTHECAT: Bite my shiny metal ass.
Kirk
There's a Desert Eagle early in "Hellraiser III", not that it did the guy who used it against Pinhead any good.
Not to demean the ladies, but most movies where a female character is seen holding or using a Desert Eagle, a .45, or any other "Hand Cannon" type BAG seems ill-suited. I mean large caliber weapons with massive recoil are overkill for many men, it just makes it worse with most female characters. Besides I'd be more worried about a p**sed off woman with a pistol in a caliber she could control and a high-capacity magazine.
John Sable carried the .357 version in the short lived 1980s "Sable" TV series. The gun fit with the character, but they had him claim in one episode that he had used the gun ten years earlier during some incident, but the gun had only been available for less than five years at the time.
And the joke of shooting Boris the Blade (also called Boris the Bullet Dodger) so many times was that he had a reputation of being remarkably hard to kill. He had already been hit by a car and was still going. What should have been overkill, wasn't. Obviously not reflective of real life but it was a comedy.
>Demi Moore using a Desert Eagle automatic pistol. Heck, I think she even had
>two: one in each hand
I could be mistaken, but I think they were gold.
>Have any of these people fired one? The .50 cal version weighs in at 96 ounces!
>That is 6 lbs of handgun and it still kicks like a .44 shooting hot loads.
I didn't think it was that bad. My father owns two of them (he heard they would be banned and he wanted one, but only the black version was available, he bought it and then the satin finish became available, which is the one he really wanted) and I went to the range with him once. Now before you get the idea that maybe I'm just strong enough not to notice, let me assure you that I'm not. I actually have embarassingly skinny arms. I mean, it kicked, but not so much that I had a problem with it. A bigger problem was that since I only have sight in my left eye and I was holding it slightly to the left, the shells kept hitting me in the forehead!
>So, no. I probably wouldn't own a .50, or a .45, or a 30/30, or a 10 gauge or 12
>gauge, or even a .22.
I've got a .22 Ruger semi-auto pistol, a present from my father. It's been sitting in the box for the last decade or so.
I will say that the ammo I was firing was handloaded, but the fellow said it was what he would call a medium load for the gun. Still, my ability to get the weapon back on target had a big lag compared to my .45. Between the recoil and the movement of that big, heavy slide moving back and forth - just not fun to shoot. This coming from a person who shoots .45 ACP all the time and I know a lot of people who do not enjoy anything heavier than about 9mm or .38 (my wife is one).
And still, 6 lbs to lug around and one on each hip if you have two. Not to mention the ammo, which is a good deal larger and heavier than .45 ammo. Heck, the darn thing is three pounds heavier than a loaded .45, when the Desert Eagle is empty.
Andrew, as an old Army guy speaking to a current Marine I would expect you to know better than say something like this.
Being a White guy, I guess I need to say it's not the size of the gun, but what you do with it.
On the other hand, I know Andrew meant to say "Big Weapon", which also doesn't matter the size as much as what you do with it! Don't worry Andrew, I won't tell!
Do they still say the little ditty in the service: "this is my weapon, this is my gun, this one's for killing, this one's for fun?"
P.S. I never said I was a very good minister, I think I spent too much time in the military . . . but I do try to help people and they seem to appriciate it.
:-)
Rob
If you can't hit the target, you just makein' noise....and firecrakers are cheaper.
I think that a lot of people want the big calibre's because they think as Scott joked it will make them a tough guy, at least untill they fire it and land on there ass. i own 3 handguns, a ruger .45, a single action .22 and a black powder .44. about a year ago on of my roommates kept bugging me to let him go shooting with me so i took him. we shot the .22 first. then i let him try the .45. The one thing i like about the ruger .45's is that they have about half the kick of most .45's. anyway when my roommate shot it, it almost flew out of his hands and knocked him back a step or two. once i finished laughing and took the gun out of his hands i asked him what went wrong. he told me he thought it would be like movies.
Brother R. my mistake i think rutger refers to to the handgun as a glock but unsure of the number. Most of the guns in that movie are real ones with aftermarket add ons.
Plus, those guns are too big for me to carry concealed.
I'd rather just have a plain old Colt .45, M1911A, much less work keeping clean than all the shiney gold/brass/chrome.
I did shoot a 2 shot derringer .357. Now, I've shot .357, I have a .357, but this thing was so damn small that I couldn't get a good grip on it. The thing flew back & hit me in the head. Had to get a couple of stitches.
If any of you want to see the money involved in owning one of these bag's check out: http://www.forthehunt.com
kind of an ebay for guns. they have most anything you want to see including a whole section of automatic and other type 3 weapons including supressors.
I don't think people understand the trade offs involved in handgun design. Everyone seems to think big calibur and lots of FPS make a gun effective. What makes a gun effective is speed and accuracy. If I can put a .22 through your eye. your dead. I personally prefer the .40 magnum. Good penetration and stopping power without feeling like a wild weasle in your hands.
Funk, E. wrote: I personally prefer the .40 magnum. Good penetration and stopping power without feeling like a wild weasle in your hands.
Er, .40 Smith and Wesson, maybe? ".40 Magnum" (Magnum is always capitalized) could be used to refer to 10mm, I guess, .40 S&W is sometimes referred to as "10mm lite."
I agree with you on shot placement though. True story: A friend of mine runs a pawn shop in Florida. A random nutjob came in the shop with a katana and tried to gut my friend. While bleeding profusely from a massive stab wound, my friend retrieved his pipsqueak .25 ACP and put 6 rounds into the bad guys head. FOUR SHOTS through the EYE SOCKETS. Moral of the story: A .25 in your hand beats a .45 left at home. OR: Don't bring a knife to a gunfight.
Raj: I had a chance to shoot a friend's .38 Special derringer. I loaded it, took my usual two-handed Weaver stance that I use in competition, aimed, squeezed. BOOM! Lotsa muzzle flame, recoil out the wazoo, shot went about about a foot wide of the target (at 7 yards!). I put the gun down and realized that my left hand felt funny. The hair was burned of my first two fingers! I can only imagine what a .357 must be like.
Kirk
You have a shiny metal ass!!??
UGGH!!
kdraut wrote:
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> Raj: I had a chance to shoot a friend's .38 Special derringer.
> I loaded it, took my usual two-handed Weaver stance that I use
> in competition, aimed, squeezed. BOOM! Lotsa muzzle flame,
> recoil out the wazoo, shot went about about a foot wide of the
> target (at 7 yards!). I put the gun down and realized that my
> left hand felt funny. The hair was burned of my first two
> fingers! I can only imagine what a .357 must be like.
>
As a self defense gun, really its only usage, it sucks, for me at least. The guy who owned it is about 6'2", 200+ lbs. I'm much smaller so the recoil affects me more. Plus I am use to gripping with the whole hand-- especially with the pinky. With this gun you can't do that. What I need to do is get to a range with my .380. Powerful enough, but manageable.
Kdraut: Heres an altermitive. A custom set of grips for the derrenger. Lengthen the grip so you can use the lower two fingers.Changes the grip profile, but it can't be worse then the grip profile on a .38 snubby.
Actually that was for me. And it was a friend's derringer. I do like the grip on my .380, it fits my hand just perfectly.
Flangepart wrote:
> Kdraut: Heres an altermitive. A custom set of grips for the
> derrenger. Lengthen the grip so you can use the lower two
> fingers.Changes the grip profile, but it can't be worse then
> the grip profile on a .38 snubby.
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