Nice site...
But could could you tell me what scares you about women breast? I mean, you don't mind showing exploding heads and by the mean time you censore nudity. This is something I don't get with you americans.
Hey. Horiffic, deplorable violence is OK as long as you don't say any naughty words.
..Or show boobs.
Is this on a website or something?
While I respect Andrew's desire to keep the nudity down so the site stays "PG-13", I agree with Alexandre. Why the hell are Americans so damn scared of breasts? I blame it on our country being started by a bunch of stuffy whiny puritans who were kicked out of Europe for deciding fun was a sin.
Brother R
I think it sucks as well. The SciFi channel will even censor thong scenes here, but they include outright nudity in the European versions of their shows.
Believe me, I am not afraid of breasts. Well, except for a giant boob that shoots half & half.
There are a number of reasons that I do not have nudity on the site:
* It allows me to use (amusing to me) censorship boxes at times.
* I often hope that the deliberate blocking of the nudity will increase a reader's interest in renting or buying the film, so that they can see what I am talking about.
* Other Marines never have to be worried about visiting the site, since the Corps frowns on anyone who has a picture of a naked woman on their screen.
* It is not my thing, really.
Why worry about it? It is a free world. If I decide not to do this or that, so long as it does not infringe on your rights, all is fair.
>>Believe me, I am not afraid of breasts.<<<
When I saw the topic for this thread I was going to nominate the old woman in the hotel room in "The Shining". But alas, wrong topic of discussion going on here..lol
My nominee would have been Kirk Douglas in Saturn3, with William Shatner in Big Bad Momma a very close second. However, in light of this thread's true nature, I withdraw . . . . . . . . . . .
Topic title made me think of the hot tub scene in " About Schmidt"...and i only READ about that!
Yeesh! Make me wanna scream like a girl, and flee into the night....
Topic made me think of a scene from "Replikator"
Andrew's right though. Some people could get in trouble if they surfed to this site from their work locations
Yeah. And I was going to bring up Bangers, with legendary stripper Kit Natividad showing it all on stage -- almost at age sixty.
(My eyes! My eyes!)
The Covenant Productions FilterPak blocks badmovies.org for nudity.
They only started doing it a few weeks agol I can only assume they react poorly to the cap from Mark of the Astro Zombies on the front page.
"When I saw the topic for this thread I was going to nominate the old woman in the hotel room in "The Shining". But alas, wrong topic of discussion going on here..lol"
dammit susan, you have got me thinking of the shining, and now i'm going to have to poke my eyes out with hot slivers of metal, just to try and get the image out of my head!!!
:-P
You know, it bug me whenever anyone says "you americans."
Not to get off on a rant, but I don't think that a single website - or two, or a thousand - is (are) enough to pass judgement on what makes citizens of the United States who they are.
We aren't prudish. One look at what comes out of Hollywood these days should tell you that.
SO, there, Alexandre, I have a question for you. Why do all you people in your country of origin obsess over wether or not Americans show breasts on television or on their web sites? Why does it matter weather there are breasts on the site or not? I guess it must be something everyone from your country must be obsessed with, just like all Americans find nudity scary.
=AHEM= All blanket statements are bad.
I saw a movie in college that had a four hundred pound naked lesbian. That's something I don't think I'll ever get over.
>>dammit susan, you have got me thinking of the shining, and now i'm going to have to poke my eyes out with hot slivers of metal, just to try and get the image out of my head!!!<<
muahaha
>>You know, it bug me whenever anyone says "you americans."<<<
Yeah, I mean we don't show breasts and suddenly we're "those americans" again.
Those Brits
sure are obsessed with boobies. ;-)
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>When I saw the topic for this thread I was going to nominate the old woman in the
>hotel room in "The Shining". But alas, wrong topic of discussion going on here..lol
I was thinking the same thing.
>I saw a movie in college that had a four hundred pound naked lesbian. That's
>something I don't think I'll ever get over.
What was it called? I want to make sure I never watch it by accident!
I've got no idea. That scene blocked out every other memory of that movie.
I'm sorry if I did hurt anyone with this observation, I mean, by the way I said it. I'm from Montréal and my English is kind of poor, I would probably have said it otherwise with a better knowledge of your language. I of course didn't mean "all Americans are prudish", that was really not the point.
And I'm not obsessed by boobs (exept perhaps my girlfriend's but that's not the point either...)
That was in THE SENTINEL....and that HUGE woman (among other grotesque naked women in the film) also has a big rat crawling on her leg near her pubic region...
UGH!! :-P
It's called a double-standard: Europe is much more relaxed about ANY kind of nudity, but there's too much prudish attitudes here in the U.S., which is why you more often see nude women in movies here than you do nude men. As far as the internet goes, prudishism (?) also applies, because many webservers won't allow nude images....period.
GOD!!!
WHY DOES IT EVEN MATTER????
I'm sorry, I really am, but the truth is that Americans have a somewhat different culture than other countries. Yes, suprise, it is true. For much the same reason that ancient chinese art could depict the most graphic acts of sex, but could never show a naked foot, some people in America (and, I am certain, in Montreal, Europe, and every-freeking-where else in the world) prefer not to be surrounded by boobs, genitals, and so on.
There are many, many, many, many American run web sites that have plenty of nudity - both male and female. This just doesn't happen to be one of them.
And I, for one, want to thank Andrew for providing such an environment. It is refreshing to not be inundated with porn pop-ups and indescriminate nudity. Thank you, Andrew, for giving us an adult place to be without making it "ADULT."
Grumpy Guy wrote:
> GOD!!!
>
> WHY DOES IT EVEN MATTER????
...because THAT'S the subject of this particular thread. Otherwise, why not just say the same "Why does it matter?" about EVERY subject brought up here.
Your username, "Grumpy Guy", is very appropriate.
> I'm sorry, I really am, but the truth is that Americans have a
> somewhat different culture than other countries. Yes, suprise,
> it is true. For much the same reason that ancient chinese art
> could depict the most graphic acts of sex, but could never show
> a naked foot, some people in America (and, I am certain, in
> Montreal, Europe, and every-freeking-where else in the world)
> prefer not to be surrounded by boobs, genitals, and so on.
Very true....also strange how in Japanese films you CAN have nudity, but you CAN'T show pubes. Go figure....
> There are many, many, many, many American run web sites that
> have plenty of nudity - both male and female. This just
> doesn't happen to be one of them.
That's not the issue here....whether or not Andrew's site should have nude images...The issue is the differences between American and other cultures' perspectives on nudity....Period.
> And I, for one, want to thank Andrew for providing such an
> environment. It is refreshing to not be inundated with porn
> pop-ups and indescriminate nudity. Thank you, Andrew, for
> giving us an adult place to be without making it "ADULT."
You still don't get the point of this particular thread, do you? This has nothing to do with whether or not Andrew's site has "indiscriminate nudity" or adult content.
You know, I think maybe you're the one who doesn't get the point of this thread. It actually started with Alexandre asking why there was no nudity on the site, and it also posed the broader question about why Americans as a whole seem to be so prudish (I'm paraphrasing - I hope that's what you ment, Alexandre).
Now, I am not fond of blanket statements that cover an entire culture, race, religion, or what have you. I find such statements fairly offensive, for reasons I stated in my last thread. I could easily say "All people who use the number 69 in their log-in are perverts, because there can't be any possible use for that number other than the obvious sexual connotation." But that wouldn't be right, would it?
So now, I get this thing going where all the people I talk to online start agreeing with me. The number 69 in a login means perversion and/or sex obsession. This though pattern spreads further. Eventually, people start treating you like a dirty old man just because you login with a 69 at the end of your name.
I also disagree that American culture can be called "Prudish" because the government has decided that boobs don't belong on prime time television. It isn't so because you say it is, after all.
=AHEM=
My primary point still stands however. Why does it matter to anyone weather or not boobs are put on display here? I trust that boobs are not why anyone comes here. So, to put things in a less emotional way than I managed to do in my last post, why should anyone care? It would offend some people (not just U.S. Americans, I might add) if there were boobs, but does it offend anyone if there are none? Somehow, I doubt it. So, the no nudity clause of this site makes it more friendly to everyone - from us "prudish" Americans to those "prudish" people in other countries.
...Just ask Alexandre why the Quebecois are just so deathly affrighted of English, and suddenly the whole debate about the display of boobies will disappear.
kriegerg69 wrote:
> Very true....also strange how in Japanese films you CAN have
> nudity, but you CAN'T show pubes. Go figure....
That is due to General MacArthur who wrote the Japanese constitution. Hmm, a seance this Friday, to ask him?
Thanks. Now I know which movie to avoid.
>I also disagree that American culture can be called "Prudish" because the
>government has decided that boobs don't belong on prime time television.
America as a whole IS prudish. Not only can't you have boobs on ad-based TV shows at any time of the day (well, technically, you CAN, but it's generally not done), you can't have nudity in magazine ads, billboards, on public beaches etc. All this because of the prudish belief that nudity is sinful, or that seeing nudity will somehow harm children (what about children raised by nudists/naturists?). Magazines will even reject ads that are too suggestive. Wal-Mart stopped selling Maxim magazine because it was too sexy for their 'family friendly' enviroment. You can't even have issues of Playboy on display in a normal store unless you have the cover obscured.
I actually see partial nudity on tv and commercials quite frequently john. Some shows in particular get away with it more - I think NYPD blue started the whole butt shot but i've seen full frontal on ER (they've even got away with saying s**t and f*) They've shown Schindlers list undedited (and you know some of the scenes in that movie were sexual) And we're talking prime time tv. God knows what goes on during those daytime soaps these days becaues I know i've seen movies and shows where couples are having sex and climaxing. We're a nation famous for the porn industry and Playboy. I think there is alot of reservedness on nudity but I personally don't care any which way about it. I used to complain about the lack of male nudity in films and it being so sexist to show full frontal on a woman and have an R rating but a man gets an X. However, after viewing plenty of European films with male nudity (often in a non sexual context) - i have no desire to see that incorperated into more films..lol
I'm beginning to think coast to coast men really spend alot of time thinking about boobies. And yes that's a generalization..sue me. ;-)
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Grimpy Guy, once again, I didn't mean "all Americans are prudish", please, don't take it so personal. I only made an observation about cultural differences, that's all.
Let's not turn it political please, you're definitly far away of this topic and obviously completly unaware of the situation in Québec. A nice thing about Montréal is precisely the multicultural aspect. I love English language, I work most of the time in English, many of my friends are English, and as a matter of fact, I am writing in English now.
We are only talking about boobs here...
Yeah! That is so strange...
By the way, I'm glad you understood what I meant. It seems that a few people took it very personally...
At least SOMEONE understood the point I was trying to make!
Alexandre wrote:
> Grimpy Guy, once again, I didn't mean "all Americans are
> prudish", please, don't take it so personal. I only made an
> observation about cultural differences, that's all.
Don't mind him so much, Alexandre. He's just a wee bit grumpy...
Okay, so it was an obvious shot. So what?
I mean, that's his name... If he didn't want obvious shots taken at him now and then...
And this from my borther. I get no respect.
That's it. I HAVE NO BROTHER!!!!!!
What about Dead Robin, huh? Not like you've only got one brother, silly boy.
Cullen - you'd have to know us to get that one, and, trust me, it ain't worth the mental anguish. I should know; I know us
Susan wrote:
> I'm beginning to think coast to coast men really spend alot of
> time thinking about boobies. And yes that's a
> generalization..sue me. ;-)
Coast to coast? It's a world wide phenomenon. And I won't apologize for thinking about boobies.
I think there are lots of Americans who aren't prudish. However, we are a really big country, with folks from every culture. I view the prohibitions (which are falling) on certain words and pictures to basically be a way for us to get along. OK, so we don't see topless women on broadcast tv, but we also don't make women wear burqas. Call it an enforced politeness or a happy medium for all the various cultures in this country.
As a married man with young children, I for one don't mind a little public modesty
<<<
If there is alien life out there you gotta wonder what their equivalent to boobies is, although they sure are obsessed with anal probing....nevermind..I think I just answered my own question.
So, what I'm getting here is, public modesty = prudish.
Huh. So, if Americans are so prudish, why do we top the world in porn sales? Per capita, I mean.
America isn't prudish, but some Americans are. Rules about public nudity and broadcast nudity are in deference to those who have more conservative sensabilities.
One could easily make a case that the rules established show that America is more CONSIDERATE of the feelings of its population.
I'm not saying it is, mind you - but it makes as much sense as calling Americans prudes because we don't have boobies on TV all the time. You're using the broadcast rules to paint a picture of a general populace, who (in honesty) have no control over those rules. (It's true - the FCC has NO ELECTED OFFICIALS).
And, on the up side - I can see boobies when I want. I put in a boobie movie, I turn on skinamax, whatever - I am not forced to view image after image during soda commercials, and neither is my 7 year old cousin, who I would rather not grow up thinking women (like her) are sex objects.
Don't gloss it up, either - boobs are used in commercials to sell with sex. I've been to europe, and while I DID see boobs in commemrcials, I never once saw a PENIS. Ergo - boobs sell things, penises do not, women are sex objects - mere tools to sell bubbly cola and perfume.
>i've seen full frontal on ER
Really? Was it in a brightly lit scene, or in the shadows? Or was it partially obscured by a conveniently placed object?
>As a married man with young children, I for one don't mind a little public modesty
No offense, but that's a perfect example of the "nudity is bad" attitude. In other countries, adults have no problem taking kids to a beach where women go topless.
No offense, but that's a perfect example of the "nudity is bad" attitude.
I don't think nudity itself bad, I just think nudity has a place. My feeling is that the place for it is not out in public. My wife's body is for my enjoyment and my body is for her enjoyment and it's something special we share together that we do not share with anyone else
iIn other countries, adults have no problem taking kids to a beach where women go topless.
That doesn't make it good. Other countires do a lot of things, so what? "If JJimmy jumped off a bridge..."
It's easy to label something as 'prudish' or 'puritan' or whatever terms you want to use as an excuse for not really thinking, but other than personal likes, there doesn't seem to be an argument that such an approach is actually bad.
On the subject of movies, I find it hard to understand how today we hace an industry (the movie industry) that pretty much expects that at some point in their career, most of the female workers are going to have to be naked for their boss and co-wrokers.
I understand your point of view, but the question was more about the censor of breast vs. showing very raw violence. How come sex is less acceptable than violence for you.
I mean, I'm a gore and horror movie fan, I don't like porno, but still, I needed to have the point of view of the users of this site about this question tat was tickling me.
I hear NUDE ON THE MOON is pretty scary.
As a matter of fact, JohnL, America does have public nude beaches. Don't believe me? There's one at Sandy Hook, NJ. I stumbled across it accidentally once. That experience - and my experience at a nude beach in Germany - convinced me that America is right on in limiting nudity because 85% or more of the people in the world you do NOT want to see naked.
Personally, I am all for limited nudity in a society because it helps preserve the magic and mysteriousness of it. I think a society that looks at a woman's breast with the same bored detachment it might have in looking at her ear has really lost something. Just my opinion, but I don't think "prudish" is the right word to describe that opinion.
I haven't seen the page in question yet, Andrew, but I support you 100%.
"I understand your point of view, but the question was more about the censor of breast vs. showing very raw violence. How come sex is less acceptable than violence for you. "
It isn't! We don't show nudity on TV (generally), but we also don't show decapitations or entrails either. Is a guy getting beat up on a cop show somehow more violent than Britney Spears' pantless magazine cover is sexual?? That's nuts. We limit sex and violence in our media and we do so - I think - pretty equally. As for violence, the French film "Irreversible" is more violent than ANY American movie I can think of (I'm not criticizing it - I think it's a very powerful film). The contention that Americans are prudes is as silly as the contention that we're somehow more violent. I think the limitations are in good taste and I am in the majority that thinks such limitations are best for kids (I understand and respect the opposing viewpoint here, however).
I also mentioned in a post above that limiting nudity has the positive effect of not desensitzing us to it. I'd rather get a kick out of seeing some boobies (and the women get theirs out of seeing Mel Gibson's (or whoever's) ass) than to see boobies and yawn and think - yeah, those are all over the place.
> Very true....also strange how in Japanese films you CAN have
> nudity, but you CAN'T show pubes. Go figure....
Watch Perfect Blue. And read something like Urotsukidoji. unless it was skewed in translation, those are some very uncensored pics there.
>As a matter of fact, JohnL, America does have public nude beaches. Don't
>believe me? There's one at Sandy Hook, NJ. I stumbled across it accidentally
>once.
I believe you, but I'd be willing to bet that they have way more rules than their European counterparts. I'll bet that the beach is required to be isolated so that it can't be seen from the road or any nearby houses/buildings. I'd also be very surprised if people were allowed to take their kids on such a beach. I also bet that it has to have special permits from the city to allow people to go nude there, you can't just put up a sign saying "Nude Beach" an expect to get away with having nude people running around in public.
"I believe you, but I'd be willing to bet that they have way more rules than their European counterparts. "
Not to be snotty, but wrong again. The only thing separating this beach from the "Must Have Clothes Beach" I was at was a sign (a permanant metal one put up by the city). And there were plenty of kids on the nude beach (though they all had swim suits on - something I also approvingly observed in Germany). The one rule I remember being posted on the sign was a "no photography" rule, which seems more geared to the privacy of the nude bathers than to any prudish American paranoia. The beach was in full view of lots of buildings and was only isolated by being at the end of the beach away from the parking lot. I was there in 1991.
By the way - something else I noticed in comparing Sandy Hook's nude beach to Germany's: There were a lot more people at Sandy Hook without anything at all on. Germany's nude bathers for the most part had trunks/bikini bottoms on. Am I now justified in questioning Germany's prudishness?
Whoever said America's "prudishness" could be better described as "considerateness" I think had a good point.
>Not to be snotty, but wrong again.
Ok, I stand corrected.
Actually, it seems Sandy Hook is just one of several nude beaches in the NYC area. Check this site out (it's a guide, not a pictorial of the bathers)....
http://www.geocities.com/bhnyc/
america is the porn capital of the world my friend...do some research
That we all know.
>>america is the porn capital of the world my friend<<
Just to emphasis that I've seen websites with lego and furniture porn
=:-o