I watched this really bad star trek called new voyages come what may,. It stunk poor stor y bad directing and the acting is as bad as attack of the killer tomotos, come on the main actor looks like a elvis wannabe and scotty sounds like the lucky charms cartoon,,and whats up with the girl with the turkey neck, and the checkoff with the bad moe wig from the 3 stooges. and worst of all they started out as a fund raiser for a charity and now take the money for themself. I'll never watch star trek agin after this on it's just wrong, what was parmount thinking. this one is shure to be a loser star trek new voyages should be called star trek hiway to heck
What are you talking about?
I am a HUGE Trek freak...I've seen almost every single episode from each series except Enterprise....many multiple times and I have never heard of whatever this is you're talking about!
I even did a thorough search on the IMDB and found nothing.
Oh by the way...Do killer tomotos come from Japan?
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Ok I found it....I Googled it and found this website for it:
http://www.5yearmission.com/
It's a fan project made up of unknowns and it's supposed to take place where the 3rd and final season of Star Trek: TOS left off.
You're right...it looks like a total joke!
Where do you live to be able to get this on TV and what channel did you see it on?
I had never heard of this until now and I don't think I want to see it!
Maybe to laugh AT it....maybe
Post Edited (03-17-04 05:24)
I downloaded and watched Act 1 and well....
I must admit that the computer animation sequences were actually pretty well done....the acting on the other hand...
The guy who plays Kirk needs to take acting lessons for sure and get a new wig!....the guy who plays McCoy needs to be fired....the guy who plays Spock did an OK job....not great but not bad either.
The only person who was excellent in their role was the girl who played Uhura.
She was spot-on! I thought she did a good job.
My biggest complaint is the sound.
Their voices echo off the walls of the studio or where ever they filmed it and they all come off as hollow sounding.
It was the very first thing I noticed when I started watching it.
Especially in the first few scenes when Kirk & Spock are playing 3 dimensional chess...the whole thing comes off like a bad B-movie filmed with a videocamera although later scenes do not have that feel.
The music, though taken from the original series, is also a bit heavy handed and at times unnecessary in certain scenes when it is used....It's as if they felt that the old Trek music was needed in EVERY scene when it actually wasn't.
Watch it and you'll understand what I'm talking about.
But the best thing of all was the sets!
These guys have nailed down the look and feel of the old Enterprise completely.
It's almost as if they're actually shooting this thing on the original sets that were used back in the 60's!
Everything from the bridge control panels and Kirk's chair to the transporter room panels are EXACTLY like they were in TOS.
The props are also exactly the same....the tricorders, hyposprays & phasers are all just like they were in TOS (Act 2).
They're not doing too bad of a job on the obvious shoestring budget that they have to work with.
Ok, now I have to download and watch the all of the acts!
Go here to get them:
http://www.5yearmission.com/STNV_WEB_files/episode.htm
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I wonder how long it will be until Paramount squashes them like a bug. They may be non-profit, but Paramount has a history of coming down on anything that uses their copyrighted material (pictures, sounds, video, characters etc) like a ton of bricks. I hope I'm wrong, but I can't see them letting someone make new Star Trek episodes without their permission.
I dunno. Paramount has always turned a blind eye to fanfic and other fan projects, mainly because they know that it's the underside of the iceberg that keeps their cash cow alive. (Worst mixed metaphor of the day. Count on it.)
If Paramount is smart, they'll "bless" the project, authorizing the site but with the understanding that it's not part of the official Star Trek continuum.
The reason most companies come down hard on unauthorized sites is because a company has to protect its copyrights/trademarks vigorously, or else they wind up losing the legal protection. It's just part of a semi-messed up intellectual property system.
>If Paramount is smart, they'll "bless" the project, authorizing the site but with the
>understanding that it's not part of the official Star Trek continuum.
But when has a studio/network ever been smart?
JohnL wrote:
> >If Paramount is smart, they'll "bless" the project,
> authorizing the site but with the
> >understanding that it's not part of the official Star Trek
> continuum.
>
> But when has a studio/network ever been smart?
Including the next time, it'll be one. Still, we can all hope.
Non-profit = Fair use. They can still shut them down because they have way more money and such (just bring up a lawsuit, justified or not - legal bills cost way too much for it to be worth it), but they do have the right to make em.
Not true. Commercial use is just one of four factor, but I couldn't start writing Winnie the Pooh stories and give them away.
Sorry you all think it was bad or a joke. We were just having fun making a fan film. Sorry you can't appreciate it for what it is - a fanboy romp through the universe many of us love. No more, no less. Would love to see any of your attempts.
Jack Marshall
Executive Producer/Series Director
New Voyages
www.5yearmission.com
Wow! Looks like we p**sed that guy off!
Hey Jack...if you'll notice, I DID give compliments on your group's efforts...after I watched the whole thing.
Maybe you should read through ALL the posts before you get defensive.
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You read me wrong. I was simply pointing out that before people attack, they should realize that we're real people with feelings who just did this for fun, that's all. I am in no way p**sed off, just saddened that a few people don't understand our motives. So, don't think I'm p**sed - just coming forth to explain my position :)
I hope you didn't think I was putting you down, I haven't seen it yet so I can't judge. I just hope the Star Trek owners will not come down on you.
We have in fact had extensive discussions with Paramount legal. They laid out certain guidelines that we have to follow, but as long as we do, we can produce as many shows as we can afford to do.
Excellent. Seems like some big media company is doing something right.
>We have in fact had extensive discussions with Paramount legal. They laid out
>certain guidelines that we have to follow, but as long as we do, we can produce
>as many shows as we can afford to do.
Sounds encouarging. Can you say what the guidelines are, or are they confidential? In any case, I'm glad to hear I was wrong.
I haven't watched your film yet (I'm on dialup and it will take quite a while to download), but I plan to. It looks interesting.
Can you give me a brief description of how fair use works then? Or a site? I haven't seen any that explain it well.
>Can you give me a brief description of how fair use works then? Or a site? I
>haven't seen any that explain it well.
I'm no expert, but basically fair use depends on what you're using it for, how much of it you use, what type of work it is, and whether or not your use affects the value of it.
Basically something is fair use if you're not profitting directly by using their work, you only use a small percentage of the original, you don't somehow diminish the value of the original and you can reasonably claim that what you copied was necessary to illustrate your point and/or educate someone.
For example, if you're doing a review of a terminator model and you want to show people how accurate it is, it would probably be ok to show side by side pictures of the model and a couple similar shots from the movies. Or if you want to make a guide showing how to detail such a model to more accurately match the original in the movies, you might include some closeup shots of various parts. You can't however, just include a bunch of screen caps of the terminator because they're cool to look at.
You can also use some copyrighted work for the purposes of parodying the original. For example, you can dress people up as Kirk and Spock and make fun of Star Trek, however I doubt you could get away with re-dubbing episodes of Star Trek to make them more humorous and giving away copies of them.
Basically, it's all a judgement call. One important thing to consider is, do you think the person/company that owns the copyright would object to your using however much of their work you've copied? If the answer is yes and the company has deep pockets, then it really doesn't matter if you're covered by fair use or not because by the time you finish draining your savings account and taking out a third mortgage on your home to pay the lawyer fees, you won't have much interest left in arguing your point. Of course, even if you don't think they'd object to what you're doing, you're probably wrong. Look at all the Millenium and Buffy web sites that Fox shut down for posting a few screen caps and sound samples from various episodes.
Here are some web sites for you to check out;
U.S. Copyright Office - Fair Use (http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html)
Stanford copyright information center (http://fairuse.stanford.edu/)
New voyages is only a for profit ripoff and needs to be shut down
Well, cosidering we've not made a penny, I'd say you're wrong - and bitter as well - what a stupid thing to post when you don't know the facts.
Let me follow up by saying that had we made a penny off this, Paramount would have found out when they reviewed our finacial records. Had we made any money off of the show, they would have shut us down. Since we are deep into episode 2 pre-production, I'd say we're okay with the one entity that matters, and that's Paramount.
Considering where this "Jay" person is living, I'm guessing it's the same person who is trying to sue us in an effort to get paid for the last show. NO ONE got paid for the show, everyone agreed to do it for free and we have not nor will we ever make a dime off the show.
Shame on you for posting what you did. Whether you're the person I think you are or not, you don't have a clue as to the sacrifices we made to make this episode. You're a pathetic individual. I just hope to god it's who I think it is because you just lost your case by exhibiting your instability. If you're not the person in question, you're just plain crackers 'cause you don't know s**t.
Have a great day :)
I think before anyone can post bad things about anything, they should first do a little research. At least seem intelligent when you bash something, or maybe after you do the research you'll find that you were wrong all along.
I strongly suggest that you look at what Ashthecat said before and after he saw the show before you judge. (by the way, 'you' is plural to anyone who is reading this, not any one person in specific).
All of us worked our asses off to get a great show out to the public, and obviously, when you face such a large audience (over 3.5 million and counting) some people will not find it their "cup of [earl grey] tea" and others will watch it 24/7.
what i'm trying to say is (only speaking for myself now); i respect people's opinions about the show, but before you start "trash-talking" it, maybe you should see it first. you may just like it!
-Max K.
Production Assistant on set
Star Trek: New Voyages
PS - Jack, is jay our nuclear wessel friend or someone else?
Hey, I just have to know if you guys built those sets and props yourselves.
They're kickass!
In my opinion, the sets are THE BEST part of your production.
If the acting improved a bit it would be 10 times more engaging...not that it isn't already but I think you know what I mean.
Keep up the good work!
Yes, in fact we did build the sets. However, the bridge is a semi-circle (we didn't have room for the whole bridge - otherwise it would've been complete). As Jack said, we are already well into pre-production of episode 2, which has been dubbed the second pilot. Hopefully, the success of this episode will be double that of "Come What May" (the 1st episode).
Also, a note to those downloading episode 1 - the 'teaser' is the segment before and including the title (space, the final frontier...) NOT the trailer/preview. A few people i know got confused with that when they downloaded the episode, saying that the title sequence was missing and that they had no clue what was going on. lol
-Max K.
Production Assistant
Star Trek: New Voyages
Yes, we built the sets ourselves - and I've asked that all the actors get coaches - so, that coupled with our impressive guest cast that we'll be announcing should ramp up our acting score pretty well :)
I don't know jack spinkter brain star trek wannabee guy and if some one is sueing you good for them i just down loaded your crap what a waste of time . it looked like men with lisps in space.
Well you can't please them all. Sorry you can't understand that we're just fans having a good time and that you can't appreciate all the time and effort that when into it's creation. Have you done something along these lines? I'd love to see it ;)
It's a shame there's so much bitterness in the world. You're messages have been nothing short of an angry troll screaming in the woods. I feel very sorry that you can't find more joy and happiness in life and have no concept of what IDIC is all about. What we did, whether you approve of it or not, is create something that's been downloaded over 4 million times to great reviews and a whole slew of new offers pouring in. We did this because we love Trek and want to see it continue. I really find it hard to believe that there was nothing in the show that you couldn't appreciate.
Hope you get better and your life gets less miserable.
I think you should really readjust your attitude on the internet. It may get you in trouble one day with people who aren't as accepting as we are.
as Jack said, we can't please everyone, but instead of just saying that you didn't like it, you had to personally attack us. I'm going to be more of a man than you are and just walk away and ignore you. Come back when you can be civilized.
I have nothing more to say.
-Max