Remember back when AVP was in theaters and there were rumors that the studio had cut it to get a PG-13 rating, but that all the deleted scenes would be restored for an R-rated/unrated director's cut? Well apparently what was in the theaters WAS the director's cut!
According to the discussions on the IMDB, the rumors about a gorier cut were started by a fake interview and that Anderson has said in various other interviews that the movie was always shot as PG-13 and there is no other cut of the film. The two-disc special editions just contain a couple slightly extended scenes, without really adding anything to the film. The DVD's do include an unused opening, which is only about 90 seconds long and which most everyone agrees is pretty weak.
Let the Anderson bashing begin...
OK, I'll take a beating for this but I didn't think the movie was too bad. It kept me entertained when I went to see it. I did think that a movie that contains aliens and a predator should have been somewhat more...um...vicious. The fact that the Predator is one of my most favorite movie monster/alien is probably why I didn't have too much of a problem with the movie in the theaters.
Now, with that said...
I had heard these rumors of a directors cut and got quite excited about being able to see the aliens and predators fight the way they should fight. Now you're saying there isn't any directors cut and that we were duped all along? Let me be the first to say: sumb***h! I hate Hollywood.
*Yawn* didnt see the pg-13 vesion, if there was an R cut wouldnt see it either.
I knew this was going to happen. Not that I'd think it would make a big difference with gore in PG-13 and Rated R these days, t's mainstream Hollywood, they always hesitate to show some real nasty stuff most of the time which is a shame cause they got the budget to do anything.
This movie was just plain bad. They made the Aliens cute and the Predators human. I love both franchises dearly, and it makes me sad that this film will inevitably poison both of them for future viewers.
That's some sucktastic news! I guess I won't be watching either version now.
I didn't see it in the theaters, but I'll probably catch it on DVD.
I wouldn't be surprised if this info is false. JohnL, that is no way a jab in your direction. It is quite possible that this is studio performing the amazing art of misinformation. I wouldn't be surprised if in about a year or two after everyone has bought the PG-13 DVD that a Special Edition Dir Cut/R cut will show up on DVD.
>I wouldn't be surprised if this info is false. JohnL, that is no way a jab in your
No problem, I knew what you meant. :)
>direction. It is quite possible that this is studio performing the amazing art of
>misinformation. I wouldn't be surprised if in about a year or two after everyone
>has bought the PG-13 DVD that a Special Edition Dir Cut/R cut will show up on
>DVD.
A couple people on the IMDB boards said the same thing.
f**k Paul WS Anderson. Thank you.
I liked the movie, but as a long time fan of both Aliens and Predator I'm very dissapointed in the PG-13 rating. I too fell prey to the rumors of a director's cut version. Which is how I ended up on these boards, because I was looking to see if one was out.
*SPOILER BELOW - DON'T READ IF YOU HAVN'T SEEN THE MOVIE*
Can anybody tell me how Bishop dies in this movie, when he is supposed to have created the android design who appears in Aliens and Alien 3. And he himself is supposed to be the one who shows up at the end of Alien 3 trying to stop Ripley from killing herself. Does this make sense somehow and I just don't see it?
It's an ancestor of the Bishop in Alien 3. At least that's what I got out of it, considering the Bishop in AVP is much older than the Bishop in Alien 3, and Alien 3 takes place a couple hundred years later (as AVP takes place in current day).
My question is how Bishop's descendents came to know of the xenomorph when current-day Bishop dies in Antarctica?
I think the point is that the "Bishop" androids were inspired by the physichal appearence of the founder of "the company", which happens to be Lance Henrikssen.
About the movie, IMHO it suffers from the same problems than "The league of extraordinary gentlemen": It is not good enough to please us and not bad enough to make us feel further interest. Still, it's better than "Alien: Resurrection".
At the risk of sounding like a geek--the Bishop at the end of ALIEN 3 is an android as well despite his claims to the contrary. It becomes pretty obvious when the inmate wacks him with the wrench and it barely phases him.
The A v P Bishop is the head of the company that would eventually become "The Company" that builds the androids. Of course trying to make *any* kind of sense beyond the fact that they wanted Lance Henrickson in the movie is a waste of time.
>My question is how Bishop's descendents came to know of the xenomorph
>when current-day Bishop dies in Antarctica?
That's what comes from a poorly thought out script.
That's what comes from a poorly thought out script.
C-3PO would like a word with you on line two
I had watched the commentary feature with the film and understood what you people don't. This movie was cheaper than ALIEN 3! Which was made in 1990! It's not his fault, fox gave him **** dollars and he delt with it to make the best he could. Not a lot of predators because how much do you think those f**king suits cost?! So there couldn't be a lot of AVP action. The movie couldn't live up to high budget movies in the past, but might have a strike back for a sequel. Fox will most likely see what he did and give a slightly higher budget, but the PG-13 will stay. :(
Bet it had a bigger budget than A.P.E.X. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109144) ;)
Mostly though, budget just means production scale and fx and maybe quality of actors. It doesn't create a good story nor does it rescue a bad one. I've seen a good story hindered by poor budget that kept the vision from being realized, but I've never seen more money help poor writing to be anything more than poor writing on a bigger scale.
but I haven't seen the movie so I don't have an opinion on it, in particular
I saw this terd last night. It seems like it was made for the young teenage crowd. It would explain the PG-13 rating and simple plot. They may have some juicy scenes they'll throw back in a few months down the road, but I dont think anybody will bother. If Geiger was p**sed off by Alien 3 and 4 he must be in a murderous rage now.
No R-rated?! What the f**k?1 AVP is supposed to be VIOLENT!!! Watch Alien or Predator and get some f**king IDEAS, Anderson!!!
That Bastard...
Please Note: I am NOT being sarcastic, although overreacting slightly.
Being hit with the pole barely phases him?!
The guy (credited as Bishop II in the Alien 3 credits) flinches quite a bit! :p
Not to mention he's bleeding blood, not that milky liquid crap. Hell, if you even seen the assembly cut of Alien 3 (now available on DVD and in the Alien Quadrilogy boxset), you can see the guy writhing in pain and shaking for a few moments, grasping his head in pain as he bleeds.
Android my ass! :p
Oh yeah, if you've seen the interviews with HR Gieger on the Alien 3 DVD, he didn't seem p**sed off about Alien 3 really. He seemed more disappointed that he couldn't help out more because the studio was rushing Fincher to get production going.
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Ahhh shucks guys, i mean come on give anderson some credit, dont blame him, blame fox, they are the ones that told him pg-13, have u ever seen Anderson's Event Horizon?!? if you have then you know that he can make gory movies!
Now as for alien vs predator, let me ask you guys something, could you have tied in a war between the aliens and the predators with a story line that just wasnt these two killing the guts out of each other?!? if you like that stuff then go watch freddy versus jason!
Personally i think the movie could have been better & longer, but people, how many alien vs predator fight scenes would it have took to satisfy your taste for a full on battle between the two? not for, no number of fight scenes would satisfy any fan.
For what its worth, alien vs predator is a worthy attempt which could have been better, just remember that anderson had to work under powerful influences or he wudnt have got the funding. just think before you judge!
I never really considered Predator to really be a franchise....they only made 2 films, right? I always thought it was something that was bigger in comic books and video games.
When I saw that it wasn't an R, I didn't bother seeing it. I'll probably catch it on cable if I get the chance.
I doubt the movie did well enough for them to bother with "Special Editions" etc...
Comic books and video games and toys and novelizations and t-shirts don't count as a franchise?
Nope, guess I really don't, especially since those things obviously didn't carry over into success for the films. I've never really considered Predator to be a major character in the genre.
http://www.movieweb.com/dvd/news/news.php?id=4918
GO here.
Anderson is a little dick. He really f**ked the two series with AVP and its only five minutes during fight.
Anderson is a little dick. He really f**ked the two series with AVP and its only five minutes during fight.
>http://www.movieweb.com/dvd/news/news.php?id=4918
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>GO here.
Yup, seen it. That's what started the rumors of an R-rated director's cut in the first place.
http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000AP04P6/qid=1123751782/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_3_1/701-9681538-2082707
this may seem interesting. i can't remember exactly what is gonna be put in but i know its more then what we originally got. lets pray that this is the one we all have been waiting for!