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Awhile back I was on a local metal site and I said something to the extent that brutal death metal was for rednecks which got me banned from the site. (Geez, some metalheads can be touchy!) Where I was coming from was the fact that the local record shop was littered with bands like Broken Hope, Deicide, Cannibal Corpse, etc in the 'metal' section - I live in hick ass Cape Breton which doesn't speak well for the local music taste  :smile:. I grew up on Death's early stuff, Carcass, and good stuff like that. I feel that if you're a metalhead there's bands you get into when you're in your early  stages, then you hear better bands and then you move on. It really puzzles me that bands like Cannibal Corpse still thrive. I just don't get the appeal. I don't get the so-called "brutality" of bands like Mortician. It's not brutal, it's juvenile and cheesy IMO. What do you folks think of this subgenre of metal?

I think there's too many subgenres in music.  Pop, power-pop, pop rock, punk, pop punk, dance punk, cowpunk, post-punk, rock, hard rock...etc. 

I did dig Cannibal Corpse at one point, and can see the association of metal with 'rednecks', although, from where I live, rednecks generally listen to George Strait and that country stuff.

Honestly, I didn't even know Corpse was still around, to tell the truth. 

I do dig some metal bands out now, like Killswitch Engage, A Day to Remember, and a few others.

My brother is the death metal guy in the family, he was very involved with the local Jersey death metal scene in the late 80s/early 90s (he used to be the "fan correspondent" for Incantation, i.e. the guy who maintained their P.O. box, answered fan mail for them, filled merch orders, etc.).

I went to quite a few death metal shows back then (Morbid Angel, Obituary, early Sepultura, Macabre, Ripping Corpse, etc.) thanks to my bro's connections and though I'll admit that I admired many of them on a technical/musicianship level, I simply could never get into the growling WOOOOARRRRGH vocal style. It irritates the snot outta me.

Ooohhh...I forgot about Morbid Angel and Obituary.  Good stuff.

Wow, I would have killed to see early Sepultura live (Beneath The Remains era?)....I've noticed that a lot of diehard DM fans can be close minded when it comes to anything but the BLLLEEUURRGH vocal style. I've met a few fans who don't like the "hardcore" vocals of a lot of grindcore acts for instance.

I saw Morbid Angel when they were touring for their "Altars of Madness" debut... they could seriously throw down live... I walked outta there like "Slayer are WIMPS compared to those guys." Trey Azagthoth (or however you spell it) is a totally deranged guitar player...


Yeah, I saw'em in '89 when they first toured the U.S. for Beneath, and then about a year later when they re-issued the previous album Schizophrenia in the U.S.  Obituary opened for'em the second time around and they damn near blew Sepultura off the stage.

I like it. Sometimes you just want to hear a song go some place just because it can.

I have heard of this sub sub sub sub sub sub sub sub genre, seems to be just a heavier Death metal, and it really doesn't give much of a evil feeling, not like Melodeath metal, which has a certain trait that makes it creepier (probably the bass played in minor rather than in Major). Also, as much of a fan I am to metal, I have listened to a few bands of this genre and....it sounds generic IMO. It just sounds bland, probably because a person I know raves so much as if it's the best thing in the world. :lookingup:

What on earth is Melodeath metal?

Death Metal with New Wave of British Heavy Metal. Groups like In Flames, Children of Bodom, Arch Enemy, etc.

brutal death metal...love some of it, can't stand some of it. and for a (sub)genre that basically all sounds 'the same' that's quite weird, I know.

my top 3 brutal death metal albums of all time are Brodequin - Methods Of Execution, Human Mincer - Degredation Paradox, and Lust Of Decay - Kingdom Of Corpses

here's a track off each of those albums.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R8H-tVDMe0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiYmDWEW3DE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IrQq45CkKM

there seem to be a few unwritten 'rules' for this stuff. for a start guitar solos are a no-no... that's just too flashy. Also the lyrics are not supposed to be understood. If you can make out any of the words, something's gone wrong. It's all about the unrelenting, bludgeoning force of the grooves...

Brutal Death Metal?  I like the concept, but 95 percent of the music bores me to death.  .....Oh wait, I get it now!  That's why they call it DEATH metal!

I got out of the "metal scene" in high school and actually made a name for myself around town for dissing the local bands. I'd heckle them at shows, play their instruments when they were setting up, and mosh a little too violently for their fans. I'm not as hateful now and still like a lot metal music, but it all starts to blend together when that's all you listen too.

I tend to like stuff like Demilich, Portal, Cryptopsy (first two albums), and Immolation. Then I'll listen to thrash (Sodom, old Slayer, etc.), then Ratt or Manowar for laughs. I also dig doom and power metal a lot. In essence, I'm anti-elitist and don't like it when people take it too seriously.

I've encountered many metal fans that are total elitists. They can be just as pretentious as goths. As much as I now despise the snob factor of metalheads, I know I'll always be one at heart, if that makes any sense.

It does, because in a way so am I. Metal music has been in my life since the very beginning and I'll never give it up completely. These guys who who supposedly memorize 50,000,000 obscure band names by heart and fancy themselves potential serial killers just make it hard sometimes. To me, as long as you have something interesting to the table or at least not something completely boring, then it's all good. Jockhole elitist should just be there to laugh at, pity even.

sounds like you're so un-elitist you've almost turned the full circle. I mean, openly dissing your local bands and trying to disrupt their shows, really? If you're not into the scene the best way to avoid elitists is probably to extract yourself from it and avoid!

I'd be a great metal elitist but I don't know enough band names (...yet  :twirl:)

There's different ways to be really brutal though. Could one of these sex grind bands get up there and dance like George Michael? or just be blatantly retro like Trouble or St Vitus?

Ha ha! Yeah, that is the screwy part about it. Why not avoid it you ask? Because it was fun p*ssing them off. I admit it was a moot point for the most part, that's why it eventually became boring though. Like I said I'm not as hateful towards them as I once was and if anything find them all the more funny. Metalocalypse helps too.

I like all metal music.  I grew up when Heavy Metal music was strong (80s and early 90s).  My brother went more heavy (Testament, Cannibal Corpse, Napalm Death, etc.) than I liked.  Lately I got into the Heavier Metal (Death, Industrial, Brutal).  I don't agree with all of the sub-generes.  I would recommend brutal metal to anyone at least for a listen.  I like the heavy drums and the vocals.  My favorite (not so brutal) very heavy metal band is Arch Enemy.


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John

I like pretty much all forms of metal (with the exception of maybe drone metal), even some bands that are borderline rock-metal, and even a few bands that are technically rock but are often mistaken for metal.  As far as brutal death goes, it's not my favorite, but I respect the hell out of it.  To make it in that subgenre, you really need to be a talented instrumental musician. 

I haven't read this whole topic yet, so maybe someone touched on this, but I absolutely despise* the pretentious asses you find on the Internet who are anal about how metal is categorized, who is or isn't metal, what bands are great and what are "mainstream crap..." spare me.  Not surprising, I also hate that attitude when it comes to horror movies ("True horror fans watch/wouldn't watch [insert horror movie, subgenre, or era here]...").

*maybe not the people themselves, but what they do anyway...

I started out in the 80's with Slayer, Metallica and Megadeth, as well as the Dead Kennedys, and got into some of the heavier acts like Bolt Thrower, Pestilence and Napalm Death in the very early 90's.  Iron Maiden was the 'softest' metal band I listened to, and probably Europe and Alice Cooper the most commercial.  These days I find the brutal stuff just too tiring to listen to for anything beyond one song.

These days my favourite band is Nightwish, with Epica coming close second.  Power metal is my joy now.  Sonata Arctica, Kamelot, and the immortal Yngwie Malmsteen.

This is my jam, when it comes to metal anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSgEGKonGzg

Brutal Death Metal? I never got the name of the subgenre. Isn't Death Metal already brutal to begin with?

Most of the bands who play this style are decent but like what was mentioned before most of them are homogenous in their sound. Being a vocalist, I tend to be a tad critical on this area when listening to bands. Brutal Death Metal growls are neat, but for the most part it annoys the crap outta me because it sounds like they're just making noise into the mic. No attempt to pronounce the lyrics whatsoever! Drives me crazy as much as grind vocalists who make frog or pig noises into the mic. Bring back the Lee Dorrian style, damn it!

I agree with the whole elitist attitude that's been plaguing metalheads in general lately. Most these days are a bunch of close minded, stuck up snobs who can't accept anything that isn't "BrO0tal". I know this because I actually tried to promote my band on a metal forum. Because we don't play a particularly brutal style, these people felt the need to attack and condemn us. Sheesh.

well, I think original death metal bands from the late 80s had hints of melody/guitar solos/distinguishable lyrics. the 'brutal' stuff has none of that. but I agree it's a minor distinction