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Do you say that in a good way? 

It's one of the best experiences I ever had in a theater.
I never heard so many people scream at the same time.  :thumbup:

I was wondering in times of #metoo if the abuse of Wendy would still fly these days. I'm actually kind of surprised The Shining hasn't receive any backlash yet.

She saves her son and is the hero! As far as #metoo and horror films. They made a movie called I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE III. I mean-the SHINING is kid stuff as far as abuse of women goes.

Plus it's a dam good film, politics be damned.

She does indeed but she's still abused by her husband. A former feminist friend hated The Shining because of that.

Her husband is the VILLAIN.  He's supposed to do bad things so you can cheer for her to break free and survive. 

Complaining that the bad guy is being a bad guy just strikes me as looking for something to be offended by. 

So does that make PLAY MISTY FOR ME (1971) anti male? Or PLANET OF THE APES anti-human?
Sure Jack was a psycho trying to kill, not only his wife-but his son and anyone around him.
IT'S A HORROR MOVIE.

I was mostly goofing around with that haiku, so don't read too much into it.

The Shining is a great film and Kubrick is among my favorite directors, but he is well-known for having been at best difficult, at worst a tyrannical bully, and Shelley Duvall and Nicole Kidman have both spoken about some things that make Kubrick's ethics sound questionable.

There was a scene in Eyes Wide Shut where observers say Kubrick seemed to be getting off on instructing the actor who played the naval officer to do things to Kidman that were probably inappropriate, and I've read she left the set crying.

Is that how it was? I don't know but it is what's reported. In the DVD extras of Eyes Wide Shut Kidman spoke well of working with Kubrick, so who knows.

Kubrick was a genius but a boor to work for, and Ryan O'Neal almost punched him more than once during Barry Lyndon.

He probably is a horrible person to work with but I see that as more him being such a perfectionist that he has to push his actors past the point where they're "acting" their emotions to where they're actually feeling them.

Source (https://jezebel.com/stephen-king-hates-the-shining-because-it-s-misogynisti-1361182451)

All work and no play
Makes Jack a dull boy. All work
And no play makes Jack...

He wrote the f**king book where Jack is trying to kill his whole family.  
Whatever he says after the fact is back tracking nonsense.
He's trying to stay relevant in a world which doesn't give a f**k about his latest long winded diatribe. As an author- he's gone pretty downhill for a long time. He has been doing pulp fiction for a long time. His short stories are the medium he should stick to. Like Robert Bloch or Ray Bradbury.

Night Shift is my favorite King book, and it says something that I think his very earliest and shortest material is his best. (But his best among some fine storytelling throughout his career.)

I haven't been able to get into anything he's written since 11 22 63, and it was hit or miss for a long time before then because he seems to have lost the gift for pure storytelling and anymore wants to preach his views and teach lessons, often in a heavy-handed and not fun way.

And a good writer doesn't make a good movie. Look at the SHINING  (1997) remake that King approved of, and it sucked.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118460/ (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118460/)

I did enjoy 11/22/63. I ain't saying I don't enjoy or read his stuff. I just think that King calling the SHINING film by Kubrick misogynistic is hypocritical bulls**t.

Great horror novel
Loved by a 13 year old
Movie made 13 year old cry
Who wanted to see
The book in the movie.

Damned straight.  I do not think of THE SHINING as a misogynistic film.  Plus, there are SO many that could be cited as examples before that film. 

RYAN O'NEAL is hardly a walk in the park; he did knock out his own son's teeth.  Apparently, he brought his boxing skills to many of the sets he worked on.  I'm not inclined to leave tension at Stanley's door if Ryan is involved.  BARRY LYNDON is one of the greatest films made, I own the DVD and soundtrack (oop) yet it's the only instance of RYAN O'NEAL starring in a film I love.  I never cared for him.  


The key difference I remember from the book was the topiary garden became a maze.  Maybe there was more overt violence in the film?  


I liked all of KING's early novels, but Night Shift was a wonderful collection.  

^ Jack didn't use an axe in the book- he used a cricket mallet. And Halloren didn't die. He recused Danny and Mom in the Snowcat.
I still love both the book and the movie. The book was just as graphic as the movie. King didn't pull any punches. I think King was just p**sed at Kubrick for making his own movie and converting King's work into something less wordy and more cinematic. He was a film maker. King is not.

 
I might have read THE SHINING twice, but it's been decades.  I read all of the books before (Salem's Lot) and after (The Stand, The Dead Zone,  Firestarter... by Pet Sematary they slipped).  His last great book was MISERY though I stopped reading him around 1990 or so and might have liked The Green Mile (I love the movie)...  or Dolores Claiborne (I love the movie)... THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION (Hope Springs Eternal) is a much better STORY as a MOVIE than the original novella.  That I went back and re-read and couldn't believe how much detail the movie added like THE WARDEN (His Judgement Cometh And Right Quick)... 

I read all of those as well. And I agree on your opinions of them. But he has done some good books since. And lotsa good short stories. 11/22/63 is very good.

BARRY LYNDON is a very underrated film. Beautiful to look at- and more complex than you would think. A wonderful film.
Ryan O'Neal is an a***ole.

yepper  :thumbup:

The haunting was far more overt in the book.  While the movie leaves you not quite sure what's in Jack's head and what's real, the book makes it painfully obvious that evil ghosts and spirits are responsible in the movie.  I think it actually makes for a much weaker story as it shows that it's not really Jack's fault, not completely. He just fell victim to some evil ghosties.  Likewise, the "Shining" itself and "Tony" are far more emphasized as

Also, the twins aren't in the book.  (Grady does hack up his daughter but they weren't twins and they never appear as ghosts.)  Also the Hotel blows up in the book.  

One complaint people have that I don't agree with is that Nicholson played the part as a man already insane while the book featured a character that was started normal and had to be corrupted.  

That's just BS.  

The book's Mr. Torrence was even worse than the movies.  The backstory tells us that he was a violent abusive drunk that beat his wife with and nearly broke his son's arm.  He also nearly beat one of his students to death and possibly kills a kid in a hit and run.  The character from the book lies about the fact that he has it all together and it seems like a lot of readers fell for that.

The book really feels like it contradicts itself with his character, pretty much everything we know about his backstory paints him as a horrible and unhinged person, but they still want it to not really be his fault because of the supernatural stuff.  Interestingly enough, when Stephen King did his own made for TV version he made Mr. Torrence a much more sympathetic person and got rid of a lot of his troublesome past.   

Let me just remind people that this movie was nominated for two Razzies.

If you want proof that the Razzies are just as shallow and stupid as the Oscars, there ya go.

Gosh, never have seventeen syllables about The Shining spawned so many words back!  :thumbup:

Random thoughts....

I did not know The Shining was under attack as misogynistic but that's ridiculous, and  a symptom of a wussy age we ilve in, wherein people LOVE to feel offended on behalf of others.

Yes, I think Ryan O'Neal sounds like a jerk.

Barry Lyndon was brilliant and likely as close to seeing what the 18th century truly looked like as we ever will, including candle lit interiors and smallpox-marked  faces powdered white.

Kubrick was a genius, also a perfectionist who loved his craft, and still a bully too.

The Shining was very different, obviously, as a novel and as a film, both are excellent. I've always said King created in the book's Jack one of the most realistic alcoholics ever,  and then continued on by showing how alcoholism affects everyone in the alcoholic's life. To me that was the deepest horror of the novel.

Great thoughts from everyone. You guys scare me.  :cheers:

You guys scare me.

I'll take that as a compliment. 


Honestly, it's been a while since we've had such a nice bad movie talk, I think.