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Title: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on March 11, 2020, 10:13:00 PM
In the last two days:

The NCAA has announced that all its games, including the Final Four and the National Championship games, will be played before empty stadiums.
The NBA has canceled the remainder of its season after a Utah Jazz player tested positive.
Tom Hanks and his wife have tested positive for the virus.
The entire nation of Italy is on lockdown and quarantine.
All travel from Europe has been restricted (but not China - WTH is that all about?!)
New cases are springing up faster than the CDC can track them.


And STILL the brain dead Trumpsters on my FB Feed are calling it "media conspiracy to help elect a Democrat"!!!!
GEEZ, people, get a grip on reality!  It's not the end of the world but this is a freaking serious pandemic.
It's not about politics and it's not about Trump, it's about making sure people don't die!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on March 11, 2020, 11:26:32 PM
Here!  Here! 


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: ER on March 11, 2020, 11:59:45 PM
In fairness, there were Democrats in leadership roles who spoke about this pandemic by saying, "This could be an opportunity."

The politicizing is inevitable and multi-sided, as is the deep well of endemic ignorance.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on March 12, 2020, 08:24:55 AM
Both sides politicize EVERYTHING.  I remember Sean Hannity blasting the Obama administration night after night for their inadequate response to the Ebola "crisis" (which was NOT a crisis; if you know anything about Ebola you know it takes direct contact with infected blood to catch the thing!).  But blowing off the whole Corona thing because you think it's a Democrat plot to get rid of the President is the height of stupidity.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on March 12, 2020, 09:37:55 AM
so far 30 people have died in the US, almost all of them at a rest home in Washington state.

almost all the cases in the world are in China Italy and Iran

we're allowed to be a little cynical aren't we?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on March 12, 2020, 10:27:05 AM
so far 30 people have died in the US, almost all of them at a rest home in Washington state.

almost all the cases in the world are in China Italy and Iran

we're allowed to be a little cynical aren't we?

It's 37 as of now.

Here's a map with a state by state run down.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on March 12, 2020, 11:02:15 AM
In fairness, there were Democrats in leadership roles who spoke about this pandemic by saying, "This could be an opportunity."
...
How do you know that? 


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: ER on March 12, 2020, 11:25:15 AM
I'm a little busy right now to have time/desire to track down too much here but below is a headline from the leading left-leaning paper describing the virus as an opening to attack Trump, showing it is being politicized by the left as doubtless it also has been by the right.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/01/business/economy/trump-democrats-coronavirus-economy.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/01/business/economy/trump-democrats-coronavirus-economy.html)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: The Burgomaster on March 12, 2020, 11:52:06 AM
No doubt, this is a serious situation. But it's being perpetuated by the media (including social media).If this same thing, with the same level of seriousness, had happened pre-internet we wouldn't be seeing all this mayhem. Take care of yourselves, stay away from crowds if you can, stay safe.  I suspect this will get worse before it gets better. But in a few months we will have weathered the storm and we'll all be here, still chit-chatting about bad movies and other random stuff. I'm looking forward to it.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: VenomX73 on March 12, 2020, 03:09:40 PM
In fairness, there were Democrats in leadership roles who spoke about this pandemic by saying, "This could be an opportunity."

yes... I did hear... unbelievable stuff



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on March 12, 2020, 04:49:39 PM
so far 30 people have died in the US, almost all of them at a rest home in Washington state.

almost all the cases in the world are in China Italy and Iran

we're allowed to be a little cynical aren't we?

no, we are NOT. there are 3 new cases in my state. all 3 flew to kansas from florida. NOTHING has been said about tracking down all the people at that conference, all the hotel workers, all the people on that flight, all the people on the next flights of that plane, since there is no way it was actually disinfected between flights,NOTHING. there could be as many as 4000 people infected from ONE business conference. it is NOT a time for cynicism.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: BoyScoutKevin on March 12, 2020, 04:59:31 PM
How things change in 24 hours.

Yesterday, Wednesday, I was talking to my fellow investment club members, and word was that Disneyland and Walt Disney World would remain open.

Now, today, Thursday, the word is that Disneyland will be closing because of the virus. No wonder the stock tanked today.

No word as to whether Walt Disney World will remain open or close.

If there is any good news out of Disney, Shanghai Disneyland which had been closed, has partially reopened.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: ER on March 12, 2020, 05:25:09 PM
You know what makes me happy? Schools are closed for three weeks, giving me three weeks home with my babies. I missed them painfully when I was away a few months ago and now I can have a bunch of extra time with them, almost like a makeup.  :smile:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on March 12, 2020, 07:51:06 PM
Outside of China and Italy it's the same as SARS and so forth. Bunch of hype


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on March 12, 2020, 10:51:07 PM
In fairness, there were Democrats in leadership roles who spoke about this pandemic by saying, "This could be an opportunity."

yes... I did hear... unbelievable stuff


Unbelievable, yes.  I'd still like to know who said "This could be an opportunity." 

Otherwise, it's Captain Trips I tell ya!!! 



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on March 12, 2020, 11:23:56 PM
They closed all the schools in Michigan-

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/03/13/all-michigan-k-12-schools-to-close-due-to-coronavirus-concerns-officials-say/ (https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/03/13/all-michigan-k-12-schools-to-close-due-to-coronavirus-concerns-officials-say/)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on March 12, 2020, 11:48:57 PM
I admit this chart is pretty scary though https://www.instagram.com/p/B9qNTrcByEd/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/B9qNTrcByEd/)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on March 13, 2020, 01:05:35 AM
dr. fauci said yesterday that this is at least 10 times more deadly than any flu. this is SERIOUS, people. and it won't be over soon, either.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: sprite75 on March 13, 2020, 06:04:56 AM
We were just told yesterday that we should work from home if we can for the next few weeks.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on March 13, 2020, 06:55:08 AM
My friend Dave who I was at a concert with at the weekend is unwell and has been put in isolation. Since I have a runny nose and been coughing and sneezing I have been put in a weeks self-isolation.

Curiously I am not feeling scared for myself, although I worried for Kristi and my mum, but I get to sit in my underpants for a week, listen to music, watch bad movies and drink beer. If it does get more serious and you never see any more posts from me, just remember I went doing what I loved!

Personally, I think I just have a slight cold caused from being around smokers at the weekend and that I am going to be fine.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Bushma on March 13, 2020, 07:54:33 AM
Here's a map with a state by state run down.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html)

No cases in Idaho or Montana?  They must be shooting all the Coronavirus Zombies which is why there aren't any cases there.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: The Burgomaster on March 13, 2020, 09:12:58 AM
My wife left the house at 6:15 a.m. today to get to the supermarket as soon as they opened and beat the crowds. She said it was crowded and crazy. I guess her plan didn't work.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on March 13, 2020, 11:09:06 AM
Nothings new under the sun... :lookingup:, except maybe  that we have more news outlets and are so much more aware what goes on around us. The world is still the same, it's folks awareness of events that has changed.

https://www.britannica.com/event/Hong-Kong-flu-of-1968 (https://www.britannica.com/event/Hong-Kong-flu-of-1968)



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: ER on March 13, 2020, 02:09:20 PM
Darn, Edie and I were supposed to go crash the buffet at a bris today too!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: El Misfit on March 13, 2020, 03:54:52 PM
My wife left the house at 6:15 a.m. today to get to the supermarket as soon as they opened and beat the crowds. She said it was crowded and crazy. I guess her plan didn't work.
Working in a grocery store and I can confirm that it is crazy and crowded.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: VenomX73 on March 13, 2020, 04:40:29 PM
NJ stores, crowded. 2 water cases only per person!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: bob on March 13, 2020, 04:58:43 PM
all K-12 schools in Wisconsin have been closed form March 16-April 3

meaning I'll be without income for roughly a month

I'm f**ked  :hatred: :hatred: :hatred: :hatred:  :bluesad: :bluesad: :bluesad: :bluesad:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: VenomX73 on March 13, 2020, 05:01:48 PM
damn. that sucks  :bluesad:

this is really crazy  :buggedout:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on March 14, 2020, 02:01:44 AM
definitely 9/11 level weirdness now


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on March 14, 2020, 04:26:14 AM
Mebbe if folks gave it a cartoonish name, they would chill a little. Like Cyrus the Virus or something...


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on March 14, 2020, 11:41:40 AM
Hopefully, this will calm a few nervous people a little, although I'd remind you that something being close to devoloping is not the same as available now, or in the next week/month/whenever.

Quote
Scientists close to developing coronavirus vaccine after tests on mice

A vaccine for the Covid-19 illness caused by the coronavirus is on the verge of being developed, a team of scientists has said.

Researchers, led by Mucosal Infection and Immunity head Dr Robin Shattock, told the Daily Express they have successfully trialled the vaccine in mice and are hopeful it could be ready for human trials by June.

Senior researcher Dr Paul McKay, of Imperial College London, told the paper: "I've got results from a month after I injected (the mice) and the vaccine works really, really well."

The team is working with scientists in Paris to determine the vaccine's effectiveness in monkeys.

Dr McKay said they have applied for further funding from the Medical Research Council to conduct human clinical trials.

"If we get the funding for the human clinical trials, we will put it into people by June," he said.

"If British scientists here develop a vaccine it would be great if the Government supported it."

Should the human trials be successful, the team is hopeful the vaccine will be available for patients in a year.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on March 14, 2020, 12:06:07 PM
do't go out to eat, but do patronize restaurants, order takeout that is delivered by a magic machine of some sort that doesn't contain a person who may have the virus. if you'd like you make invite 2.5 friends over anymore you have just recreated the restaurant experience


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on March 14, 2020, 11:35:35 PM
so far 30 people have died in the US, almost all of them at a rest home in Washington state.

almost all the cases in the world are in China Italy and Iran

we're allowed to be a little cynical aren't we?

no, we are NOT. there are 3 new cases in my state. all 3 flew to kansas from florida. NOTHING has been said about tracking down all the people at that conference, all the hotel workers, all the people on that flight, all the people on the next flights of that plane, since there is no way it was actually disinfected between flights,NOTHING. there could be as many as 4000 people infected from ONE business conference. it is NOT a time for cynicism.

Yes, it is time to be cynical. Or at least, one must wonder if you are this shocked at such trivial numbers in Kansas, then you must be wiping your own brains from your exploded head off the walls of your home at *these* far more devastating (and common) statistics:

Quote
CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 36 million flu illnesses, 370,000 hospitalizations and 22,000 deaths from flu.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on March 14, 2020, 11:41:54 PM
dr. fauci said yesterday that this is at least 10 times more deadly than any flu. this is SERIOUS, people. and it won't be over soon, either.

10 times more deadly than any flu is a much lower number than the "20 times deadlier" false information that was being touted a month ago:

Quote
CCDC said it was fortunate COVID-19 has been mild for 81% of patients and has a low overall case fatality rate of 2.3% compared to SARS which had close to 10%. However, compared to the seasonal flu with a death rate in the U.S. of about about 0.1%, these statistics mean Covid-19 is 20 times deadlier than the flu.

https://www.ibtimes.com/china-coronavirus-20-times-deadlier-flu-men-more-likely-die-2924865 (https://www.ibtimes.com/china-coronavirus-20-times-deadlier-flu-men-more-likely-die-2924865)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on March 15, 2020, 12:50:46 AM
This is something I wrote on my FB page earlier today.

I've been watching the coverage of the Corona virus and the reactions to it all week. Here are my thoughts, for what they are worth.

OK, first of all - people are overreacting. While buying up a week's worth of groceries and some bottled water is never a bad idea, hoarding toilet paper is stupid. Making a panicked dash to the grocery store and buying months' worth of stuff is not merited. Now, I've been listening, reading, and watching comments from the folks who KNOW what they are talking about - not politicians and reporters, but epidemiologists and doctors. Those are the ones that we need to pay attention to. This is a summary of what they are saying, as I understand it:

First of all, a lot of people are going to catch this thing. CDC estimates anywhere from 20% to 60% of the population will be infected before Corona has run its course, depending largely on how successful our quarantine efforts are. That is pretty scary on its face, but there is good news. The vast majority of those infected will recover fully, most will only be sickened for a few days. The generally young and healthy have EXCELLENT (by that I mean, over 99%) odds of full recovery.

That being said, this is NOT "just like the flu." Yes, flu kills about 25,000 people a year in America alone, sometimes twice that in a bad year. BUT - the reason so many people die from it is because MILLIONS get it. Flu, according to the CDC, has a mortality rate of .1% = one tenth of one per cent. So, if ten million people get the flu, ten thousand will die, mostly elderly and people with compromised immune systems. But we have vaccines for the flu, and we also have medications that are specifically designed to minimize the symptoms of it (Tamiflu is good stuff!).

The problem with COVID-19 is that it has a mortality rate between 2% and 3.5%, according to the latest estimates. Let's say the lowball number is correct and call it 2%. If one million people contract the virus, that means twenty thousand will die. If ten million contract it, that number goes up to 200,000. If a hundred million people contract this - that's less than a third of our population - the death toll would be two million. That is WAY worse than the flu! And there is NO vaccine yet.

Is this gonna "kill us all"? NO, it is not. Not even the horribly virulent 1918 flu mutation did that, although it did claim 75-100 million lives worldwide in the span of two years. But Corona IS serious and quarantine measures make good sense. The more quickly and completely we implement these precautions, the more we can flatten the mortality curve and the less people will get infected - and therefore, less people will die.

So use common sense, follow recommended quarantine guidelines, don't get crazy stupid with hoarding - just keep a decent store of groceries on hand and minimize human contact. Oh, and don't hoard toilet paper. We're gonna make it through this. Be smart!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on March 15, 2020, 02:18:59 AM
You know people have been advised to sneeze into their elbow, and yet instead have chosen to stock up on toilet paper.

This leads me to one inevitable conclusion.

People really can't tell their arses from their elbows.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 15, 2020, 08:29:29 AM
The NBA, NCAA, Major League Baseball, Broadway, and so on do not close up shop and forgo billions of dollars of revenue just because there is a bad case of the flu going around. This is serious. The panicky stockpiling is the most annoying symptom most of us will have to deal with, but they didn't shut down Italy and Spain on a crazy hunch.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: ER on March 15, 2020, 08:58:04 AM
Speaking of Italy, a Canadian friend of mine lives outside of Genoa and said no matter what I've heard about what's happening in Italy, it's probably worse, that some foreign visitors with money are sleeping in parks because no one can go anywhere and hotels are often closed, that everything is shut down where he is and rumors seem to have replaced fact, resulting in paranoia, which he said is maybe worse than the actual situation requires. He also said tabloids and shock jocks and conspiracy theorists are having a field day scaring everyone and spreading misinformation. I wonder if all that's our future over here or an extreme reaction on the part of Italians that won't quite be replicated in the United States? (Or maybe he was exaggerating.....)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on March 15, 2020, 11:57:27 AM
so far there are no deaths in my state  https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-updates-united-states.html (https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-updates-united-states.html)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: LilCerberus on March 15, 2020, 12:07:24 PM
First death in my state.......................
Guy was 70, don't know any more................
I still have a few rolls of toilet paper, and I'm still going to CNC class............


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Trevor on March 15, 2020, 01:58:10 PM
Schools are closed here as from Wednesday: most of our ports and borders with places like Zimbabwe and Botswana will be closed and flights from so-called problem or high risk areas have been told to bugger off.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: WingedSerpent on March 15, 2020, 02:25:44 PM
School is closed for about 3 weeks.
A couple of film festivals and places I like to go have been closed down, rescheduled, and such
But I still got to go to work.

Are some people overreacting?  Probably, but that doesn't mean there's no danger.  Both my parents are in their 70's so their in the extreme danger risk if they contract the coronavirus. 

Right now I just want to put myself in a chemically induced coma for the next few weeks and wake up refreshed and walk into a calmer world.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on March 15, 2020, 02:30:44 PM
What are governments and companies in countries outside the UK doing to support people who are going to miss out on work and thus wages during this outbreak? In the UK we already have sick pay (not a huge amount of money, but better than nothing, and it has been increased and extended to help people. It is better than nothing, however), and some businesses are saying they will continue to pay full wages for staff diagnosed with Covid-19. Steps have also been taken to help small businesses (less than 250 employees) with the extra expenses and difficulties they will be facing (although I can't say if those measures are large enough sums or not).


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: El Misfit on March 15, 2020, 05:35:31 PM
I don't understand the stocking and hoarding of toilet paper. Water I can see, but needing 5 billion rolls of toilet paper? As far as catching it I'm more than likely to catch it due to working in a store. However, from what I've heard, the main sick ones that are hospitalize are usually older and heavy smokers.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 15, 2020, 05:42:01 PM
I don't understand the stocking and hoarding of toilet paper. Water I can see, but needing 5 billion rolls of toilet paper? As far as catching it I'm more than likely to catch it due to working in a store. However, from what I've heard, the main sick ones that are hospitalize are usually older and heavy smokers.

It's purely psychological. People like to think that stockpiling gives them control over the situation. Why they pick toilet paper in particular is a mystery.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: El Misfit on March 15, 2020, 05:46:40 PM
I don't understand the stocking and hoarding of toilet paper. Water I can see, but needing 5 billion rolls of toilet paper? As far as catching it I'm more than likely to catch it due to working in a store. However, from what I've heard, the main sick ones that are hospitalize are usually older and heavy smokers.

It's purely psychological. People like to think that stockpiling gives them control over the situation. Why they pick toilet paper in particular is a mystery.
Stockpiling in of itself isn't a terrible idea, it's great for preparations in case of a natural disaster. But I'm baffled as to why toilet paper is being hoarded.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: VenomX73 on March 15, 2020, 06:30:04 PM
hoarding toilet paper is stupid


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on March 15, 2020, 07:18:30 PM
theres a certain type of liberal who really loves this. telling poeple what to do, stopping commerce, basically making people miserable


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: El Misfit on March 15, 2020, 07:47:30 PM
theres a certain type of liberal who really loves this. telling poeple what to do, stopping commerce, basically making people miserable
Who?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on March 15, 2020, 10:15:47 PM
on my twitter feed they are outdoing each other telling people what to do with no shame whatsoever


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on March 15, 2020, 10:21:17 PM
on my twitter feed they are outdoing each other telling people what to do with no shame whatsoever

 :bouncegiggle:  okay get a hold of yourself you have time... stock up... on toilet paper it will be the currency of the post covid world... get pitchfork...  :bouncegiggle: :bluesad: :lookingup: :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on March 15, 2020, 10:28:54 PM
The NBA, NCAA, Major League Baseball, Broadway, and so on do not close up shop and forgo billions of dollars of revenue just because there is a bad case of the flu going around.


No, but they *do* shut it down when they don't want to risk their multi-billion dollar investments, oops I mean "players", catching a sniffle and potentially losing out on millions of dollars in endorsement deals in the midst of an overblown media-fed mass hysteria.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on March 15, 2020, 10:31:45 PM
I don't understand the stocking and hoarding of toilet paper. Water I can see, but needing 5 billion rolls of toilet paper? As far as catching it I'm more than likely to catch it due to working in a store. However, from what I've heard, the main sick ones that are hospitalize are usually older and heavy smokers.

It's purely psychological. People like to think that stockpiling gives them control over the situation. Why they pick toilet paper in particular is a mystery.
Stockpiling in of itself isn't a terrible idea, it's great for preparations in case of a natural disaster. But I'm baffled as to why toilet paper is being hoarded.

Because nothing is more frustrating than running out of toilet paper, then going to the store only to find out that they are sold out of toilet paper. This phenomenon is commonly referred to as a (https://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/264/417/8f5.gif)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on March 15, 2020, 10:39:51 PM
First of all, a lot of people are going to catch this thing. CDC estimates anywhere from 20% to 60% of the population will be infected before Corona has run its course, depending largely on how successful our quarantine efforts are. That is pretty scary on its face, but there is good news. The vast majority of those infected will recover fully, most will only be sickened for a few days. The generally young and healthy have EXCELLENT (by that I mean, over 99%) odds of full recovery.

I have a strong suspicion that I had contracted it during the end of September/beginning of October of 2019. I caught this sudden cold which lasted for about 5 days back then. I remember it feeling a bit unusual from all the usual colds or flus that I've had over the years. The same symptoms that they tell you to look out for: shortness of breath, coughing, sneezing, wheezing, sore throat, fever, etc. My little boy caught a touch of it but it went away quicker than mine did. I just toughed it out with a bunch of cough drops until it cleared up.

The reason why I'm suspicious of it being COVID-19 is because I caught it a good 2 months before the first reported case in China was declared at the beginning of December 2019. I live in Alaska and we get flights to and from China up here probably more than most states down in the Lower 48 because Anchorage is an international hub for passenger and cargo planes. Remember, COVID-19 didn't just magically appear when the Chinese reported the first case of it; it was certainly making its rounds for the better part of 2019 if not earlier, and the symptoms are so common and similar to the common cold that most people that catch it undoubtedly have no idea that they have it.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: sprite75 on March 15, 2020, 10:40:10 PM
What p**ses me off is that the people who advocate the loudest for remaining at home and shutting everything down often have the luxury of working from home and can live their lives on line but refuse to acknowledge there are people out there not as fortunate as them.

Since church is suspending in person services for the next two weeks I thought of asking at church if they minded if I was the person who went to Zoom if there were any issues.  If they took me up on the offer I'd tell them to call Zoom and advise them that the sprite badger is not as forgiving as the people at church are and is totally willing to channel both Lords Vader and Sidious to get s**t done.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on March 16, 2020, 01:25:20 AM
dr. fauci said yesterday that this is at least 10 times more deadly than any flu. this is SERIOUS, people. and it won't be over soon, either.

10 times more deadly than any flu is a much lower number than the "20 times deadlier" false information that was being touted a month ago:

Quote
CCDC said it was fortunate COVID-19 has been mild for 81% of patients and has a low overall case fatality rate of 2.3% compared to SARS which had close to 10%. However, compared to the seasonal flu with a death rate in the U.S. of about about 0.1%, these statistics mean Covid-19 is 20 times deadlier than the flu.

https://www.ibtimes.com/china-coronavirus-20-times-deadlier-flu-men-more-likely-die-2924865 (https://www.ibtimes.com/china-coronavirus-20-times-deadlier-flu-men-more-likely-die-2924865)

 you should watch your step, child. we don't like trolls here.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on March 16, 2020, 04:48:43 AM
dr. fauci said yesterday that this is at least 10 times more deadly than any flu. this is SERIOUS, people. and it won't be over soon, either.

10 times more deadly than any flu is a much lower number than the "20 times deadlier" false information that was being touted a month ago:

Quote
CCDC said it was fortunate COVID-19 has been mild for 81% of patients and has a low overall case fatality rate of 2.3% compared to SARS which had close to 10%. However, compared to the seasonal flu with a death rate in the U.S. of about about 0.1%, these statistics mean Covid-19 is 20 times deadlier than the flu.

https://www.ibtimes.com/china-coronavirus-20-times-deadlier-flu-men-more-likely-die-2924865 (https://www.ibtimes.com/china-coronavirus-20-times-deadlier-flu-men-more-likely-die-2924865)

 you should watch your step, child. we don't like trolls here.

Nobody’s trolling you. You’re simply being fed misinformation and your math is way off. Oh, and while we’re still on topic...

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Amid all the fears, quarantines and stockpiling of food, it has been easy to ignore the fact that more than 60,000 people have recovered from the coronavirus spreading around the globe.

https://apnews.com/926d2cb378b1aa00a56b93cf58b6ab54 (https://apnews.com/926d2cb378b1aa00a56b93cf58b6ab54)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on March 16, 2020, 06:27:55 AM
I am no mathematician but Coronavirus has a mortality rate of around 2.1%-2.3%. Seasonal flu has a mortality rate of around 0.1% as has been mentioned above. If you take that 0.1 and multiply it by 20... Well, that is not maths that is way off. When the dr mentioned above said 10% he also prefaced it with a very important bit that was then missed out on the next quote and that was that it would be at least10 times more deadly, thus indicating the actual rate would be a figure higher than 10 times (and hey, unless my maths is way off, 20 times is indeed higher than 10). By ignoring things like that, it looks like you are best being ignorant or at worst trying to spread misinformation and gaslighting others.

If Barri is guilty of receiving misinformation, could you kindly post up links to the correct information, preferably from some kind of accredited source. I am sure it would be a great help to many people here.

Don't forget also that the initial outbreak in Wuhan has a mortality rate of 4.3% because it was something they hadn't seen before. If as you suggested in an earlier post, it was circulating around transportation hubs, I am pretty sure it would have been noticed that people were suddenly dying of the common cold. There are actually government departments in most countries that watch for spikes in death rates from various sources. If this was going on and was somehow missed then a lot of health departments worldwide need to look at their procedures quite urgently. The earliest case they've been able to confirm was early to mid-November. If you access to a source of information that shows the disease was spreading before then, then you need to take this to your local health authorities. You could single handidly save thousands or even millions of lives in how they manage future outbreaks. They might even put up a statue of you, name a research lab after you or possibly even nominate you for a Nobel prize.

The symptoms you said you had earlier in the year are common to a very large number of other viruses. I'd be interested in hearing what your medical experience and qualification are for you to be able to believe it was this particular strain rather than any of the literally hundreds of other conditions that can cause those same effects, beyond you just having some kind of hunch. Also, I'd look at what parts of China you get flights going through your local transportation hub from? I'd do a search myself for this information, but with flights being stopped from various countries to others, well I couldn't rely on the accuracy of the information I'd get. Remember China is a large country, as is the US. Just because you get lots of people coming through from it, doesn't mean you've been getting people from the problem areas and if you haven't then this would have been a much larger problem at other transportation hubs, and even if you do, a similar effect would have happened at other transport hubs across the world, again increasing the chances that some health authority would have picked up on the outbreak sooner.

You have said that people would mistake it for having a common cold because the symptoms are so similar and people wouldn't be able to tell them apart, and then say you suspect you had Corona because it was different from the other colds and flu's you had. Can you clarify which one of these it is, or do you have some enhanced senses over most people about the infections you pick up? If so I'd recommend you make yourself available to medical science as a superpower like that could be incredibly useful and save many lives. I am sure both the CDC and WHO would be willing to give you a very highly paid position. Indeed, if as you say you felt this was different from a regular cold or flu did you go to your doctors with this? If not then you missed out on a potential chance to give researchers a head start and come up with a vaccination earlier. How many lives would that have saved?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on March 16, 2020, 07:11:24 AM
Oh, on a helpful note it has been suggested the anti-inflammatories may aggravate the effects of Covid-19 as they can suppress the immune system. While it hasn't yet been proven that they could make things worse, it might be worth at risk people taking paracetamol instead.

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Health officials point out that anti-inflammatory drugs are known to be a risk for those with infectious illnesses because they tend to diminish the response of the body’s immune system.

The health ministry added that patients should choose paracetamol – which is known in the US by the generic name acetaminophen and commonly by the brand name Tylenol – because “it will reduce the fever without counterattacking the inflammation”.

If you are at risk and already on anti-inflammatories though, please consult your doctor before taking any action. Listening to random people on the internet is not going to be the best medical advice and that includes from me.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 16, 2020, 07:50:34 AM
The NBA, NCAA, Major League Baseball, Broadway, and so on do not close up shop and forgo billions of dollars of revenue just because there is a bad case of the flu going around.


No, but they *do* shut it down when they don't want to risk their multi-billion dollar investments, oops I mean "players", catching a sniffle and potentially losing out on millions of dollars in endorsement deals in the midst of an overblown media-fed mass hysteria.

I felt the way you do at the beginning of this story. A deadly version of the cold that I'll never catch and which wouldn't kill me if I did catch it? Big deal. But I didn't consider the cascade effect of the public health system possibly becoming overwhelmed with a virus that is both more contagious and more deadly than anything circulating at the moment. I underestimated the threat. Things have progressed and it was more serious than I thought. And doctors and medical professionals are unanimous; I haven't heard a single dissenting voice. Even Trump isn't calling this fake news. It's a real threat, it's inconvenient, and it's manageable.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 16, 2020, 11:49:22 AM
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89861360_2885703801491422_3583181311134662656_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=1480c5&_nc_ohc=K4sVaWKGZVIAX-3MwST&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=e037e4d3fc60dd980d337e3ed29025ae&oe=5E9665A4)

Posted by a (right-leaning) M.D. friend of mine of FB.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on March 16, 2020, 11:51:35 AM
If you don't mind Rev, I may have to borrow that for FB. I am dealing with an outbreak of Dumbassery there.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 16, 2020, 01:21:38 PM
If you don't mind Rev, I may have to borrow that for FB. I am dealing with an outbreak of Dumbassery there.

I doubt my MD friend would mind, I'm sure he took it from someone else.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on March 16, 2020, 02:13:24 PM
i read it on the ebay soapbox, rev, thanks for posting it here too.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on March 16, 2020, 09:40:34 PM
so far 30 people have died in the US, almost all of them at a rest home in Washington state.

almost all the cases in the world are in China Italy and Iran

we're allowed to be a little cynical aren't we?

no, we are NOT. there are 3 new cases in my state. all 3 flew to kansas from florida. NOTHING has been said about tracking down all the people at that conference, all the hotel workers, all the people on that flight, all the people on the next flights of that plane, since there is no way it was actually disinfected between flights,NOTHING. there could be as many as 4000 people infected from ONE business conference. it is NOT a time for cynicism.

Yes, it is time to be cynical. Or at least, one must wonder if you are this shocked at such trivial numbers in Kansas, then you must be wiping your own brains from your exploded head off the walls of your home at *these* far more devastating (and common) statistics:

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CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 36 million flu illnesses, 370,000 hospitalizations and 22,000 deaths from flu.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm)


really. you don't consider THIS as trolling? where do you go to school,honey? your principal should know that the students are not only disrespectful, they're not doing their homework, OR learning comprehension. I think i'll just call you junior from here on in. or maybe svenjie.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on March 16, 2020, 10:04:02 PM
91 deaths in the US so far  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on March 16, 2020, 11:07:20 PM
Up to 55,000 flu deaths in the U.S. from October 2019 to March 2020.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm)

Compare that to 91 COVID-19 deaths so far in the U.S., well... look, some of you chicken littles can throw around your percentages all day in here if it makes you feel better, but the fact remains that the flu has actually killed far more Americans this season so far than the Chinese Sniffle virus has done, as it does every year, and no one has ever shut down whole American cities over it since 1918 apparently. I get it, it’s highly contagious, and it kills old and sickly people. But your terror is skewed by the fact that there are worse illnesses out there that kill on a far broader scale than COVID-19, and no one bats an eye. It all seems just a tad ironic, don’t you think? It’s almost as though some of you prefer to live in fear than to think on rational terms.

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/e257fa3a89f60daac59bd1f9d38068dc/5c7a8f6193c65ae3-38/s1280x1920/d42b8d619c086f11e32353782a482edb7861e26b.jpg)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on March 16, 2020, 11:19:47 PM
^ You kill me, man. You believe a comic book villain quote over TWHO?
Yes, there are dumbs**ts fighting over toilet paper.
But the reason for the precautions is so fewer people do die. I am one of those 'old and sickly' (  58, with heart disease) that you seem to not give a flying fvck about. This ain't a comic book, Jr.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on March 17, 2020, 01:35:46 AM
^ You kill me, man. You believe a comic book villain quote over TWHO?
Yes, there are dumbs**ts fighting over toilet paper.
But the reason for the precautions is so fewer people do die. I am one of those 'old and sickly' (  58, with heart disease) that you seem to not give a flying fvck about. This ain't a comic book, Jr.

Guaranteed that a heart attack from stressing out over the possibility of catching the Chinese sniffles would kill you long before the COVID-19 gets you.  :cheers:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: claws on March 17, 2020, 02:41:59 AM
 :buggedout:

Current situation where I live (Bavaria, Germany) -

Beginning today and tomorrow, all stores will be closed for two weeks or after Easter. Only pharmacies, grocery stores and gas stations remain open. Grocery stores may expand opening hours until 10:00 pm and open Sundays until 6:00 pm. They are doing this so people will ease up on panic buying. It is encouraged to pay with (credit) cards.

Restaurants and food places remain open with restrictions (seating with 6 feet space between people, no more than 30 people, opening hours until 3:00 pm. Food delivery and take out only after 3:00 pm).

All schools and Kindergarten have been closed since last week. They will remain closed until after Easter.

Social gatherings are forbidden, also concerts, festivals etc. Movie theaters, swimming pools etc closed until further notice.

Pretty much all or most borders are closed I think.

Not a full fledged lockdown but we might get there sooner or later. All this is not stopping teens and young adults throwing secret "corona parties" where they get drunk. How idiotic is that?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on March 17, 2020, 03:18:46 AM
:buggedout:

Current situation where I live (Bavaria, Germany) -

Beginning today and tomorrow, all stores will be closed for two weeks or after Easter. Only pharmacies, grocery stores and gas stations remain open. Grocery stores may expand opening hours until 10:00 pm and open Sundays until 6:00 pm. They are doing this so people will ease up on panic buying. It is encouraged to pay with (credit) cards.

Restaurants and food places remain open with restrictions (seating with 6 feet space between people, no more than 30 people, opening hours until 3:00 pm. Food delivery and take out only after 3:00 pm).

All schools and Kindergarten have been closed since last week. They will remain closed until after Easter.

Social gatherings are forbidden, also concerts, festivals etc. Movie theaters, swimming pools etc closed until further notice.

Pretty much all or most borders are closed I think.

Not a full fledged lockdown but we might get there sooner or later. All this is not stopping teens and young adults throwing secret "corona parties" where they get drunk. How idiotic is that?

We have essentially the same restrictions here in Alaska. It's interesting how the same restrictions apply pretty much worldwide in so short of a time, with very little known about the virus other than that it is only potentially dangerous to really old and sick people. The way that the entire thing escalated so quickly throughout the world, it seems very well orchestrated. Almost as though world leaders had planned this well in advance...


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on March 17, 2020, 03:58:07 AM
Oh great, we have another tin foil hat type.

Look, yes regular flu has killed more people. Guess what though, that is because it has time to be more widespread. If Corona spreads to the same degree as the flu then a lot more people will die. Generally, these are the same type of people that are at risk from regular flu. I'd explain more, but you've already shown you have a bit of a problem with basic maths so I'd be wasting my time there, all us educated folks with our darned tootin' percentages, getting high falutin information from things like the WHO and not the media.

You sure you are from Alaska, because you sound an awful lot like a Florida man.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on March 17, 2020, 07:27:15 AM

 Almost as though world leaders had planned this well in advance...

Or just maybe it's a plan by the Joker and the Penguin?  :lookingup:




Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 17, 2020, 07:38:16 AM
so far 30 people have died in the US, almost all of them at a rest home in Washington state.

almost all the cases in the world are in China Italy and Iran

we're allowed to be a little cynical aren't we?

no, we are NOT. there are 3 new cases in my state. all 3 flew to kansas from florida. NOTHING has been said about tracking down all the people at that conference, all the hotel workers, all the people on that flight, all the people on the next flights of that plane, since there is no way it was actually disinfected between flights,NOTHING. there could be as many as 4000 people infected from ONE business conference. it is NOT a time for cynicism.

Yes, it is time to be cynical. Or at least, one must wonder if you are this shocked at such trivial numbers in Kansas, then you must be wiping your own brains from your exploded head off the walls of your home at *these* far more devastating (and common) statistics:

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CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 36 million flu illnesses, 370,000 hospitalizations and 22,000 deaths from flu.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm)


really. you don't consider THIS as trolling? where do you go to school,honey? your principal should know that the students are not only disrespectful, they're not doing their homework, OR learning comprehension. I think i'll just call you junior from here on in. or maybe svenjie.

He's not trolling because he legitimately believes it.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on March 17, 2020, 07:50:58 AM
And sadly, his comments show that he really doesn't understand how all this works, what the numbers mean and so on. In normal times, that kind of person should be pitied. Alas in times like this is actually makes them potentially dangerous.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on March 17, 2020, 09:25:46 AM
If Corona spreads to the same degree as the flu then a lot more people will die.

If! If! If! You accuse me of wearing a tin foil hat when all you are doing is speculating as well, basing your numbers only off of confirmed cases of COVID-19. Over 60,000 of those confirmed cases have recovered from the virus; what about the countless unconfirmed cases that had the virus and recovered from it? Chances are that if you’ve had a cold within the past year then it’s likely that you already had it.  :cheers:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on March 17, 2020, 10:04:32 AM
Dude, you even understand the difference between a cold and a virus? Honestly, I just about fell out of my chair laughing at your post this morning and how much you are revealing you do not know.

Not only are you totally, absolutely clueless, but you aren't even aware of how ignorant you really are. Flu season started a lot earlier than this virus, that is why there have been many more cases of the flu than it, and that efforts have been made to limit its spread. If it doesn't spread it will be because of the measures being taken to try and limit it, and not your crackpot theories.

If you care to actually read my posts, you will see at some times I do indeed engage in speculation. If you would care to read your own posts you will also see you have engaged in speculation (not when you suggest this is all some conspiracy though. That is called being a crackpot).  Indeed, your last post you have done this when you said that if you've had a cold then the chances are you've had Covid-19 (and I'll come back to this later). I also engage with facts in order to make those speculations as accurate as I can. That's the difference. I can look at virus transmission models, the effects of other viruses that are closely related to Covid-19 and come up with evidence-based guesses, and IF is a damn important phrase. IF is the worst-case scenario that we are trying to stop, but won't be able to IF we listen to people like you.

Other people on this thread are able to post up scientifically based evidence to back up what they say. This has been sourced from reputable sources (which you dismissed as media hysteria) and yet you are yet to post anything that can back up your claims. Until you can then I am going to dismiss your posts as the ravings of a demented loony unworthy of further debate, but worthy of further mockery. So either provide some proof or leave the grown-ups to talk.

Oh, and I have a cold right now, but I have been tested and I don't have it so the chances are you are wrong there too. Unless of course, you think that people are being lied to there as part of this plan you mentioned.

Just so you know, by the way, the earth isn't flat, we have been to the moon, Elvis is dead and if the Illuminati are running everything then they are doing such a bad job that they might as well not bother at all.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: ER on March 17, 2020, 10:13:55 AM
Alex, is the test done by a cheek swab or a blood test?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on March 17, 2020, 10:17:32 AM
with very little known about the virus other than that it is only potentially dangerous to really old and sick people.

This really gets my craw. Your total disregard for the 'old and sickly', like they're disposable human beings.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on March 17, 2020, 10:23:28 AM
Neither of those. The much more unpleasant nasal method. I don't know if they are using the same type of test everywhere, although I can ask my brother if you want me to check. A quick check says it can be done by blood, coughing up mucus or taking a sample from the lungs which sounds about the worst method. No mention of cheek swabs though, which I'd have thought would be the way to go for something that lives in the nose and throat.

EDIT: Stewart says the NHS are using throat swabs. I guess we get whatever they've had lying in a cupboard for the past 30 years instead.  :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 17, 2020, 11:31:50 AM
A lot of this debate has to do with concepts of risk tolerance.

Let's say, strictly for the sake of argument, that there's a 1 in 200 chance that any individual will die from this virus.

Some, like me, would say that's not a great enough risk to make any major lifestyle changes at all.

Others would find a 1 in 200 chance of dying to be insanely dangerous, and voluntarily quarantine themselves.

I don't think there's an objective metric we could use to prove either view wrong.

If I were king of the world, I'd say, let's all just go about our business normally. That's why they don't let people like me make these decisions. I shouldn't be allowed to impose my high tolerance for risk on society as a whole. I'm part of a broader society and (in this case) I bow to the consensus.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on March 17, 2020, 01:00:20 PM
I'd bear in mind that this isn't the first of these big news viruses we have seen in our lifetime. I suspect it isn't going to be the last. If we can perfect the procedures on one like this that catching it isn't a death sentence then we can improve our procedures and learn lessons for the day when we do have one that is more dangerous, and thusly give people a better chance of surviving an outbreak where the chance of dying is much higher, therefore I think this is a worthwhile exercise simply because it isn't a mass pandemic of some Ebola variant or other such disease.

While I do not deny that from a mass sociological point of view it wouldn't do any harm to the human race to suddenly have a lot less older and sick people to look after, indeed quite the opposite. With ageing populations in most first world countries, it would releave a lot of stress of the care systems looking after them. On the other hand, there are a lot of those at-risk people I happen to appreciate having around so from a personal point of view would like to keep them alive as long as possible. I am sure many of them agree.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on March 17, 2020, 01:13:51 PM
well, i'm not QUITE elderly, but i appreciate the sentiment!  :cheers:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on March 17, 2020, 01:27:40 PM
well, i'm not QUITE elderly, but i appreciate the sentiment!  :cheers:

Wait one second, I thought you were so old that you thought continental drift was a fast-moving sport.  :bouncegiggle:

Only kidding, luv ya really. You should ask Kristi how I used to torment Iain who had the misfortune of being about 2 days older than me.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 17, 2020, 08:08:42 PM
Interesting site with some continually updated statistics and charts: https://covid19info.live/

One interesting note: we're at 10 times the number of worldwide deaths at this point than at a comparable point in the SARS epidemic, and the rate continues to climb with a slope that makes SARS look flat by comparison.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on March 17, 2020, 08:13:10 PM
I think I saw someone mention that SARS had about 10% mortality, so if thats true I guess this one transmits a lot more easily.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on March 17, 2020, 08:45:30 PM
I got 2 calls from my doctor's office yesterday to confirm that I would be there today.  I was.  They tried to hand me a clipboard and I asserted I'm not touching anything - not filling out forms.  I saw a few people in the hospital with masks or rubber gloves.  I didn't even have to touch anything in the men's room - except my zipper!  My hands were clean - I'm not touching your sparkling sink!  I do think caution is the word. 


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on March 17, 2020, 11:59:01 PM
Dude, you even understand the difference between a cold and a virus?

Actually Alex, I barely read anything that you post here. I find your posts long-winded and rather boring. You strike me as one of those kinds of people that loves to hear themselves talk, yet for all of your efforts you really don't have a whole lot to say. That being said, you are also not as smart as you apparently like to think that you are.

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The common cold is a viral infectious disease that infects the upper respiratory system.

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It is the most common infectious disease in humans and is mainly caused by coronaviruses or rhinoviruses.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/166606 (https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/166606)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on March 18, 2020, 12:05:24 AM
^ You kill me, man. You believe a comic book villain quote over TWHO?
Yes, there are dumbs**ts fighting over toilet paper.
But the reason for the precautions is so fewer people do die. I am one of those 'old and sickly' (  58, with heart disease) that you seem to not give a flying fvck about. This ain't a comic book, Jr.

No RC, a person wrote that quotation. A person that made a valid observation about our society in general. I mean, look at some of you, after all. Too scared to even step outside in the daylight anymore for fear that the COVID-19 might get you. I have another quote written by a human being for you...

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/bf/b7/12/bfb71265eee0f1121dea198bfd677296.jpg)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on March 18, 2020, 12:34:07 AM
^ You kill me, man. You believe a comic book villain quote over TWHO?
Yes, there are dumbs**ts fighting over toilet paper.
But the reason for the precautions is so fewer people do die. I am one of those 'old and sickly' (  58, with heart disease) that you seem to not give a flying fvck about. This ain't a comic book, Jr.

No RC, a person wrote that quotation. A person that made a valid observation about our society in general. I mean, look at some of you, after all. Too scared to even step outside in the daylight anymore for fear that the COVID-19 might get you. I have another quote written by a human being for you...

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/bf/b7/12/bfb71265eee0f1121dea198bfd677296.jpg)

Yeah, a person wrote it. You did. It may not be original, but you wrote it.
As for fear- I don't fear my own death. I've had 4 open-heart surgeries. But I do have empathy for those 'old and sickly' folks who are afraid. Maybe that's a word alien to you.
But you seem to like quotes- here's one for ya, and I know who said it too-
"Your a dumbass." Oh- and that quote comes from ME.

It's a good thing you didn't read Alex's post...it may have seized up the rusty cogs of your brain.
See ya in the funny papers, Jr.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on March 18, 2020, 01:55:19 AM
Here you go, chicken little. Some good news to toss a monkey wrench into the “rusty cogs” of all of your hopeless old & sickly fear. Choke on a little hope and happiness, why don’t ya?  :cheers:

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/amid-growing-coronavirus-cases-another-number-increasing-recoveries-n1148126?cid=sm_npd_nn_fb_ma (https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/amid-growing-coronavirus-cases-another-number-increasing-recoveries-n1148126?cid=sm_npd_nn_fb_ma)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on March 18, 2020, 05:10:12 AM
Hey, you learned how to post a link. Go you! I am almost impressed. Now, why do you think survival rates are increasing? Go on see if you can figure this part out. I'll give you a clue. The initial death rate when this disease first appeared in Wuhan was 4.3%

Ok, granted you've posted an article that shows that people are listening to the medical advice out there rather than supports what ever the hell it is you've been claiming, and you are still to post a single piece of proof that backs up anything you've said, but we can work on that. Honestly, you don't need to help us out by posting stuff that helps us. Look around. No one else seems to be buying your brand of Kool-Aid.

It is funny watching you try to sell it though, so please keep on. People need a laugh at times like this.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 18, 2020, 08:07:04 AM
No need for personal attacks, guys. They won't convince others you're right; in fact, they do the exact opposite. They serve no purpose in a discussion.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on March 18, 2020, 09:37:33 AM
Hey, you learned how to post a link. Go you! I am almost impressed. Now, why do you think survival rates are increasing? Go on see if you can figure this part out. I'll give you a clue. The initial death rate when this disease first appeared in Wuhan was 4.3%

Ok, granted you've posted an article that shows that people are listening to the medical advice out there rather than supports what ever the hell it is you've been claiming, and you are still to post a single piece of proof that backs up anything you've said, but we can work on that. Honestly, you don't need to help us out by posting stuff that helps us. Look around. No one else seems to be buying your brand of Kool-Aid.

It is funny watching you try to sell it though, so please keep on. People need a laugh at times like this.

My “brand of Kool Aid” is telling you not to live in constant fear of this bug, yet you seem to prefer being scared sh!tless over all of this. You seem to hate good news, Alex.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a5/55/4f/a5554f1f83e0da670fb2d842f0cc4252.jpg)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 18, 2020, 10:16:07 AM

My “brand of Kool Aid” is telling you not to live in constant fear of this bug, yet you seem to prefer being scared sh!tless over all of this.

I agree with the protocols in  place, and I'm not "scared sh!tless." I have no personal fear whatsoever, though I'm mildly concerned for my elderly parents. The point is I'm willing to be inconvenienced for the sake of the greater good.

If your only point is we shouldn't be scared sh!tless, then I think there's no disagreement at all here.

We all agree it's stupid to stockpile toilet paper.

In other news, here's a slider that lets you set your own infection and fatality rates and make projections as to the death toll: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/16/upshot/coronavirus-best-worst-death-toll-scenario.html (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/16/upshot/coronavirus-best-worst-death-toll-scenario.html)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on March 18, 2020, 10:41:21 AM
You seem to think that taking reasonable precautions to help save people equates to being scared s**tless. It doesn't. I’ve been scared s**tless a couple of times. Sometimes that’s involved big scary people with knifes or guns.  This isn’t anything like that, and when it comes down to it, being scared can be a damn good way of staying alive if you control it and don’t let fear take over. Major evolutionary survival trait that. I have even mentioned previously when I was waiting for my test results that I did not feel afraid for myself, but I was concerned for other people around me who I may have infected.

Do I think you need to be afraid of this? Not unless you are in any of the high risk catagories. I do however feel, as with pretty much anything in nature you have to treat it with a bit of respect and follow the safe guidelines. Believe me, it is quite possible to do that without having to live in terror.

Dismissing everything about it though or thinking it’s some vast conspiracy though... well foolish doesn’t even begin to cover it.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 18, 2020, 01:14:03 PM
An article Zelmo may enjoy (may be behind a paywall): https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/us/coronavirus-hype-overreaction-social-distancing.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/us/coronavirus-hype-overreaction-social-distancing.html)



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: claws on March 18, 2020, 01:37:16 PM
First case officially confirmed in our small town (pop. 13,000) today. Local authorities literally said no need to panic, and that the infected woman is doing fine. Our town's Facebook page however is hysteria pure at the moment  **edit to add** I only read the first post and someone was joking. People posting on our town's page are actually calm.
Coincidentally my 12 day vacation started today. There's talk of a two week lockdown starting on Sunday but hasn't been confirmed (yet). I didn't stock up on food yet because I never do, though I have a few bags of pasta and tomatoes in tins in the pantry. I might get more tin food tomorrow just in case I guess. Oh well.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: ER on March 18, 2020, 02:26:24 PM
Ever seen that movie 84 Charing Cross Road, which is set in World War Two Britain, and the family came home and their house had burned down, and one of them said, "But I didn't hear any air raid sirens." And the fireman said, "Houses do still burn down, even in wartime." Well even during this pandemic we still have to deal with the usual nuisances like the common cold, and someone I know has one, just a garden variety sneezing, sniffling cold, but somehow it's funny to think life and mundane illnesses go on.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on March 18, 2020, 02:47:35 PM
At least it is showing signs of slowing in the countries that have gotten a proper grip on the prevention/slowing of the spread. Even in Italy's worst-hit region. Don't know if anyone saw the photo's of the pretty young Italian nurse, with bruises all over her face from wearing the breathing apparatus all day long (I thought the story was going to be about some patient attacking her), or the other nurse who had simply collapsed from exhaustion at her desk?

Wuhan seems to be coming out of isolation too, with travel restrictions slowly being lessened. Quarantine efforts in the UK are stepping up, although various government scientific advisors have been pulling their hair out in frustration at trying to get politicians to act earlier. There is a rumour going around that police, backed up by the military are going to be deployed on the streets to arrest anyone caught wandering around. Given our level of response so far that seems highly doubtful. Plus there simply aren't enough of us to maintain that level of control over the country, so I'll file that one away in the bin. Not saying it couldn't happen later on, but right now I'll go with not a chance.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on March 18, 2020, 02:48:36 PM
We (as in me and Tiana) live in a small village (pop.1,200), and the grocery store has water, TP, etc. I guess if anybodies stocking up, they must be going somewhere else to buy stuff.  There is no one on the street, but most days that's the way it is anyhow! Tiana has to have her temp read everyday before entering work, but that makes sense, being as she's a nursing aide at an assisted living facility. Otherwise, life is exactly like it ever was.
Yeah, Zelmo, we're all terrified in my small part of the world.  :lookingup:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on March 18, 2020, 03:04:53 PM
Researchers have confirmed that is was highly unlikely that Covid-19 was man-made after a Chinese official claimed it could have been made by the US army and released in Wuhan.

If I wanted to get into conspiracy theories there, I'd be more likely to ask questions about the 34-year-old doctor who announced the existence of the virus and got into trouble for it, then died of the virus.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: sprite75 on March 18, 2020, 04:21:11 PM
Something occurred to me today too in that humans have some biological needs.  (Aside from food and f**king, that is).  One of those needs can be the need for connection with others.  I think too many experts are so focused on "flattening the curve" that they fail to realize that social distancing cannot turn in to socially isolating people otherwise they will ignore them and go out, or worse yet lash out and hurt themselves or others.  The modern human species is about 300,000 years old with proto-humans going back about 6 million years.  They need to come up with better ways to manage this that don't try to fight losing battles against basic human biological needs. 


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on March 18, 2020, 07:06:00 PM
No need for personal attacks, guys. They won't convince others you're right; in fact, they do the exact opposite. They serve no purpose in a discussion.

the troll started this rev, with me. you are the only person who can put a stop to it, and you know how. i will give back what i get this time, i'm not playing another sven game, period.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on March 19, 2020, 02:35:03 AM
Trying to reassure people that tanks are not about to be deployed on all our streets to keep everyone in their house.

For a start there just isn't enough bodies in the military to do that. The last round of cutbacks left the army as officially a militia less than 100,000 men in uniform and they got rid of a good number of our tanks too. No order has been sent out to call out the reserves and until I hear of that happening I am not going to be worried about that.

Really, there is a nice big middle ground between believing end times scenarios like this and the absolute bunkum posted by Zelmo about it not being a problem at all. Yes it is a dangerous virus, yes action needs to be taken to contain it, and for us, it is actions we have not seen before, but it is not the end times. The four horsemen are still back at the stables (unless they've got with the times and upgraded to motorcycles as per Good Omens, in which case they are hanging around a garage, or perchance a greasy spoon cafe).

We are about to develop a test that will tell people if they've previously had Covid-19 without showing symptoms. This is being hailed as a game-changer. Hmm, not seeing that as being incredibly useful from my point of view until they can say for sure wither having it once gives you immunity from catching it again or not. Possibly that has been announced, and I've just not seen it with all the other stuff going on.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Paquita on March 19, 2020, 11:41:08 AM
So I’ve been home since last Monday because I met with someone from New York that we later found was in the same office building as someone that tested positive the week before we met.  It’s officially been over 14 days since I met with that person and none of us are sick.  Does that mean I didn’t have it?  I don’t even know.  If I did have it and was asymptomatic, am I in the clear now?  No clue.  It’s only been 10 days since I was last in Chicago and on public transit so I won’t feel truly clean until next week.

I’m pretty excited about getting back to a world where people are hopefully more hygienic than usual.  I’ve always been super weird about hand washing and always carry hand sanitizer and wet wipes, now I won’t feel so weird.

I feel bad for the people that know they were some of the first to bring the virus to certain areas.  I wonder if they feel terrible about knowing they spread something that caused all this.  I know I would.  It probably would have happened anyway, if it wasn’t one person, it would have been another.. but I just can’t imagine being the person that knows they exposed a nursing home to it or spread it to someone that ended up dying from it.  I’m expecting lawsuits in a couple months with people claiming others intentionally infected them or someone was reckless and caused someone else to get it that died from it.  Could that be manslaughter?  There’s probably some blanket rule that will be applied to protect those people. 



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 19, 2020, 12:21:32 PM

I just can’t imagine being the person that knows they exposed a nursing home to it or spread it to someone that ended up dying from it.  I’m expecting lawsuits in a couple months with people claiming others intentionally infected them or someone was reckless and caused someone else to get it that died from it.  Could that be manslaughter?  There’s probably some blanket rule that will be applied to protect those people. 


Hi Paquita! Glad you're feeling well.

In my opinion there's no DA in the country who would charge someone who recklessly spread Covid-19 with manslaughter with the information we have now. (Such cases have very rarely been tried against people with HIV, and that's with everyone clearly understanding the risks involved for decades). As to whether a civil suit based on negligence could be filed... I suspect at least one will be, with the right set of facts. Success would depend on the jury, but juries tend to be very free with throwing other people's money at sympathetic defendants.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 19, 2020, 12:57:27 PM
Another 1,000 worldwide deaths yesterday, a total increase of 12% in the death toll. About 9,000 total dead globally over the 2 months it's been tracked. Obviously, the disease will flatten out eventually, but it's still in the growing phase.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: sprite75 on March 19, 2020, 12:58:18 PM

I just can’t imagine being the person that knows they exposed a nursing home to it or spread it to someone that ended up dying from it.  I’m expecting lawsuits in a couple months with people claiming others intentionally infected them or someone was reckless and caused someone else to get it that died from it.  Could that be manslaughter?  There’s probably some blanket rule that will be applied to protect those people. 


Hi Paquita! Glad you're feeling well.

In my opinion there's no DA in the country who would charge someone who recklessly spread Covid-19 with manslaughter with the information we have now. (Such cases have very rarely been tried against people with HIV, and that's with everyone clearly understanding the risks involved for decades). As to whether a civil suit based on negligence could be filed... I suspect at least one will be, with the right set of facts. Success would depend on the jury, but juries tend to be very free with throwing other people's money at sympathetic defendants.

Future lawyer here too: I think in most civil cases it would be hard to prove actual malice.  Jury awards can get reduced at the appellate and higher stages.   If a judge thought a jury in a civil case was being really out of line or reached a conclusion that no reasonable jury could have reached the judge could enter what's called a Judgement NOtwithstanding the Verdict (JNOV).   It's not granted all that often but I could see it happening in a case like this.  


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on March 19, 2020, 01:20:26 PM
Glad to her you are doing ok.Stay healthy and hugs from Scotland.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 19, 2020, 01:53:31 PM

I just can’t imagine being the person that knows they exposed a nursing home to it or spread it to someone that ended up dying from it.  I’m expecting lawsuits in a couple months with people claiming others intentionally infected them or someone was reckless and caused someone else to get it that died from it.  Could that be manslaughter?  There’s probably some blanket rule that will be applied to protect those people. 


Hi Paquita! Glad you're feeling well.

In my opinion there's no DA in the country who would charge someone who recklessly spread Covid-19 with manslaughter with the information we have now. (Such cases have very rarely been tried against people with HIV, and that's with everyone clearly understanding the risks involved for decades). As to whether a civil suit based on negligence could be filed... I suspect at least one will be, with the right set of facts. Success would depend on the jury, but juries tend to be very free with throwing other people's money at sympathetic defendants.

Future lawyer here too: I think in most civil cases it would be hard to prove actual malice.  Jury awards can get reduced at the appellate and higher stages.   If a judge thought a jury in a civil case was being really out of line or reached a conclusion that no reasonable jury could have reached the judge could enter what's called a Judgement NOtwithstanding the Verdict (JNOV).   It's not granted all that often but I could see it happening in a case like this.  

I'm sure you misspoke about actual malice. Unless I'm deeply wrong, it's not an element of negligence or non-defamation tort cases, though mens rea is required for most criminal cases. The rest is correct.

Sorry for the shop talk, folks.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: sprite75 on March 20, 2020, 08:51:41 AM

I just can’t imagine being the person that knows they exposed a nursing home to it or spread it to someone that ended up dying from it.  I’m expecting lawsuits in a couple months with people claiming others intentionally infected them or someone was reckless and caused someone else to get it that died from it.  Could that be manslaughter?  There’s probably some blanket rule that will be applied to protect those people. 


Hi Paquita! Glad you're feeling well.

In my opinion there's no DA in the country who would charge someone who recklessly spread Covid-19 with manslaughter with the information we have now. (Such cases have very rarely been tried against people with HIV, and that's with everyone clearly understanding the risks involved for decades). As to whether a civil suit based on negligence could be filed... I suspect at least one will be, with the right set of facts. Success would depend on the jury, but juries tend to be very free with throwing other people's money at sympathetic defendants.

Future lawyer here too: I think in most civil cases it would be hard to prove actual malice.  Jury awards can get reduced at the appellate and higher stages.   If a judge thought a jury in a civil case was being really out of line or reached a conclusion that no reasonable jury could have reached the judge could enter what's called a Judgement NOtwithstanding the Verdict (JNOV).   It's not granted all that often but I could see it happening in a case like this.  

I'm sure you misspoke about actual malice. Unless I'm deeply wrong, it's not an element of negligence or non-defamation tort cases, though mens rea is required for most criminal cases. The rest is correct.

Sorry for the shop talk, folks.

I apologize too for the past, present, and future shop talk.

Yeah you're right about the actual malice. 

I do wonder if there are going to be some defamation cases winding up through the courts though related to COVID-19?  I could see where situations where defamation might be an issue.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: ER on March 20, 2020, 10:20:05 AM
Catholic churches locally and I assume everywhere are having to cancel Lenten fish fries, and my mother knows a parish financial administrator who said one-quarter of her parish's yearly budget comes from those six weeks of Friday dinners.

That's going to filter down into the parish's ability to operate its food pantry and undertake other charitable works at the very time those are most needed.

In response the pastor there is donating his salary back into the church's charitable works fund (diocesan priests get paid, those in religious orders such as Jesuits, Franciscans, etc. get a more basic stipend), and some lay employees there are voluntarily taking 25% pay cuts, which is noble but I think this curtailing of churches' incomes represents the tip of the iceberg in all walks of life, private and public, when it comes to this pandemic affecting things we may not even be thinking about at this time.

It reminds me of, say, a tsunami hitting a coastal area, and how after the water recedes the area is still stricken in so many ways for a long time. We're potentially in for a long hard year.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 20, 2020, 10:34:07 AM

I do wonder if there are going to be some defamation cases winding up through the courts though related to COVID-19?  I could see where situations where defamation might be an issue.

Maybe it's a loathsome disease (https://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1154)?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 20, 2020, 10:35:45 AM
Catholic churches locally and I assume everywhere are having to cancel Lenten fish fries, and my mother knows a parish financial administrator who said one-quarter of her parish's yearly budget comes from those six weeks of Friday dinners.

That's going to filter down into the parish's ability to operate its food pantry and undertake other charitable works at the very time those are most needed.

In response the pastor there is donating his salary back into the church's charitable works fund (diocesan priests get paid, those in religious orders such as Jesuits, Franciscans, etc. get a more basic stipend), and some lay employees there are voluntarily taking 25% pay cuts, which is noble but I think this curtailing of churches' incomes represents the tip of the iceberg in all walks of life, private and public, when it comes to this pandemic affecting things we may not even be thinking about at this time.

It reminds me of, say, a tsunami hitting a coastal area, and how after the water recedes the area is still stricken in so many ways for a long time. We're potentially in for a long hard year.

Fish frys are huge here, and I was actually going to go to one this year since I had a devout no-meat-on-Fridays Catholic visiting last week. All canceled, naturally.  :bluesad:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: claws on March 21, 2020, 01:11:21 AM
We are now under "house arrest" since midnight for the next two weeks. Grocery stores, pharmacies and gas stations remain open. Food places open only for take out or delivery, no more indoor seating. We are told only to leave the house if really necessary (shopping, job). No social gatherings, no "corona parties." If you must leave the house than do it alone or with one person you are living together. Families with children may take walks but should keep distance to others. However, families are not allowed to go shopping together. Outdoor sports are allowed but not in groups unless you are with family.

I haven't heard anything from my firm regarding work since I'm still on vacation. Short-time work seems like a possibility I guess but who knows. I haven't left the house since yesterday and I won't leave the house until next week. Our town is like a ghost town at the moment. It's nice to see people realizing the situation and taking it seriously.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on March 21, 2020, 01:55:00 AM
several states started the " shelter in place" modes over the last week. naturally, being a red state, mine is only in partial protection mode. we have our first "live in" positive case as of yesterday, people are buying guns. that scares me.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on March 21, 2020, 03:04:37 AM
Apparently the WHO sent a team over from China to see why Italy is being so hard hit. Part of it is because Italy has an older population, but the team freaked out when they saw Italian people were ignoring the whole quarantine thing and no one was enforcing it.

Hopefully, other countries can learn from Italy's mistakes and keep their infrection and death rates down to a minimum.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: sprite75 on March 22, 2020, 10:54:44 AM
I get the feeling that people can do everything asked of them and some dips**t politicians will still act like its not enough.  Pretty soon they'll be kicking in doors to ensure that people are only behaving in "approved" manners and these dips**t politicians will not give up their emergency powers when the emergency is actually over.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: claws on March 23, 2020, 12:30:59 PM
A FB friend uploaded pics of her and several older ladies making breakfast and lunches for kids to pick up at their school (which is closed). The women are standing side-by-side and some are hug-posing one another for pics. I'm not really that close of a friend of hers to leave a comment about practising social distance. I mean, they should know better but judging by the pics they don't seem to care.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on March 23, 2020, 12:37:55 PM
The government here has done something I totally did not expect and I have to applaud them here as much as I am not generally a fan of Boris. They have said to businesses that if you are not making something essential, send your workers home and we will pay them 80% of their wages.

It is a move that is estimated to cost £4 billion per quarter directly, not to mention lost income from the businesses. In the long run it could save a lot of money though and lives.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on March 23, 2020, 04:17:19 PM
The state of Michigan goes on lockdown at midnight tonite.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on March 23, 2020, 05:03:55 PM
At 20:30 tonight the government announced restrictions on large gatherings and said they would be forcefully broken up if needed. You can leave your house once a day to exercise and you’ve to stay at home unless work is vital.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on March 23, 2020, 06:17:08 PM
I went to the small Grocery store here in town, and the cashier said to me- "Your lucky- an hour ago this place was packed!" Because tonite is the lock down. Usually there are about 5 people in there.
On the good side- I saw my cousin Ronnie!  :thumbup: He's 61 now. No toofers, white hair. And he's only 3 years older than me. I got my hair- though it is thinning and I had to move the part from the left to the right.
My eyebrows look like Andy f**king Rooney's.
What were we talking about?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on March 24, 2020, 10:47:46 AM
i forget, i'm busy envisioning andy's eyebrows.... :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Trevor on March 24, 2020, 01:33:13 PM
Thanks COVID19: I'm going to be housebound for 21 days.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on March 25, 2020, 01:11:33 PM
are you okay, trev???
i just read that prince charles has tested positive.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on March 25, 2020, 02:02:50 PM
I live in Washington state in the USA, about an hour south of Seattle.   We've had a good, organized response here.  Generally, the people here seem to be taking the isolation measures seriously.   But, we lost a bunch of people early in this in a nursing home, so that (in an awful way) gave us a good scare to get us up and running.

The kids are out of school, I'm sure, until the new school year in September.  No way anyone's going to be business as normal in a month or two.

Alaska appears to be having a good, organized response too.  Much of my family is there, and that's where I trained.

Oregon (the state to my south), not so great, per a colleague of mine this morning.

I'm watching New York with horror.  That is going to be a s**tshow, a real mess.  They are behind the curve and nothing can be done to take it back, now.  Hopefully as a country we can rally and help them.   Cuomo's words, so far, are some of my favorite of what I've heard during this outbreak so far.   I'm glad I don't have that man's job.

The UK seems to be taking good steps.

I was all impressed with India's lockdown, until I read an article about how doctors and other medical staff are being ostracized.  Often as I'll complain about American culture, hey, we're not as bad off as that.  We do have some respect for each other and some love for each other.  (not to say that India doesn't.  But, I'm a doctor.  It particularly hits home for me that they are mistreating the people who are risking their own lives, to save others.)

Ronnie, did you just say that you were introducing us to yourself, to your cousin Ronnie, and to your other cousin Ronnie?   Yeah, that's what I thought I heard.  :)    Stay home and stay safe, you drunk.   Don't let this virus get you.



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 25, 2020, 02:38:46 PM
I live in Washington state in the USA, about an hour south of Seattle.   We've had a good, organized response here.  Generally, the people here seem to be taking the isolation measures seriously.   But, we lost a bunch of people early in this in a nursing home, so that (in an awful way) gave us a good scare to get us up and running.

The kids are out of school, I'm sure, until the new school year in September.  No way anyone's going to be business as normal in a month or two.

Alaska appears to be having a good, organized response too.  Much of my family is there, and that's where I trained.

Oregon (the state to my south), not so great, per a colleague of mine this morning.

I'm watching New York with horror.  That is going to be a s**tshow, a real mess.  They are behind the curve and nothing can be done to take it back, now.  Hopefully as a country we can rally and help them.   Cuomo's words, so far, are some of my favorite of what I've heard during this outbreak so far.   I'm glad I don't have that man's job.

The UK seems to be taking good steps.

I was all impressed with India's lockdown, until I read an article about how doctors and other medical staff are being ostracized.  Often as I'll complain about American culture, hey, we're not as bad off as that.  We do have some respect for each other and some love for each other.  (not to say that India doesn't.  But, I'm a doctor.  It particularly hits home for me that they are mistreating the people who are risking their own lives, to save others.)

Ronnie, did you just say that you were introducing us to yourself, to your cousin Ronnie, and to your other cousin Ronnie?   Yeah, that's what I thought I heard.  :)    Stay home and stay safe, you drunk.   Don't let this virus get you.



Too bad you weren't around when Zelmo was going off earlier. I notice he's gone quiet; hopefully he's figured it out. Like I said, at first I pooh-poohed the threat, but as the evidence built I changed my mind.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on March 25, 2020, 03:04:00 PM
Nice to see you posting on this Zapranoth. I hope things stay, well the minimum amount of crazy possible for you.

As for Zelmo, I don't know if this is a recurring pattern or not but the last time he showed up he seemed to try and cause trouble and then go quiet for a while. Might just be his MO.

As for the UK, people seem to be more or less listening to the advice where we are. London is being reported as largely ignoring the restrictions and the tube trains being busy. I can see the government stepping up action there and hopefully before it all goes to hell in a handbasket. Beyond that, some places are reporting the rules being broken (like the 20 odd neighbours in the Midlands who decided to have a BBQ and were all standing shoulder to shoulder when the police arrived to break them up. The police simply knocked over the BBQ and made everyone go home), but this seems to be the exception rather than the rule. We are all standing by in case we need to support the emergency services.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on March 25, 2020, 06:51:43 PM

Too bad you weren't around when Zelmo was going off earlier. I notice he's gone quiet; hopefully he's figured it out. Like I said, at first I pooh-poohed the threat, but as the evidence built I changed my mind.

Don't call it a comeback, I been here for years!     

Nah,  I watched that part and stayed out of it, mainly because it was not productive and zelmo's opinion is, obviously, unimportant.  Fortunately for him his state's governor is taking the right steps to protect him. 

At first I was hopeful that this would be "just" as bad as influenza.  But the evidence quickly tossed that idea.

Feel free to throw out any questions, I'll answer as I can, if anyone has any.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on March 26, 2020, 04:38:28 PM
i have a question, zap, if i may. i know several people who had what they thought was the flu back in january/early february, do you think it could have been coronavirus instead? this illness in at the end of january was part of why my baby sister had a heart attack, and her doc thinks it may have been covid19, since she tested negative for the respiratory flu going around in wisconsin then.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on March 26, 2020, 06:24:17 PM
Nah,  I watched that part and stayed out of it, mainly because it was not productive and zelmo's opinion is, obviously, unimportant.  Fortunately for him his state's governor is taking the right steps to protect him. 

At first I was hopeful that this would be "just" as bad as influenza.  But the evidence quickly tossed that idea.

What evidence tosses that idea? Statistically, more people have died from the flu this season alone than from COVID-19, during the same time-span (October 2019 to March 2020). The mortality rate for COVID-19 is based largely on China's statistics, who still carry the largest death rate for the virus, by the way. It mainly kills old and sickly people, of which I honestly had no idea is a description that apparently makes up most of the people that post here; with a few younger folk here and there, but all of whom had pre-existing health conditions.

My apologies to all of my fans here who have missed me during my absence. Unfortunately, I do not live here like some of you do. I was busy spreading the good word on Twitter. To your credit, the chicken littles that post here are not nearly as paranoid and delusional as some of the yahoos that post on Twitter. So for that

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Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on March 26, 2020, 08:05:45 PM
i have a question, zap, if i may. i know several people who had what they thought was the flu back in january/early february, do you think it could have been coronavirus instead? this illness in at the end of january was part of why my baby sister had a heart attack, and her doc thinks it may have been covid19, since she tested negative for the respiratory flu going around in wisconsin then.

No real way to know.  Probably not, given that the virus is thought to have started out in November.  I don't know if we know when international spread happened earliest.   The problem is that there's such variety in how sick people can be.    When we have serologies available to see past infections we'll learn more.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on March 27, 2020, 09:15:40 PM
if you're allowed to, please keep us updated on any possible testing for past illness that could help create vaccines, zap, and thank you!  :cheers:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on March 27, 2020, 11:51:20 PM
if you're allowed to, please keep us updated on any possible testing for past illness that could help create vaccines, zap, and thank you!  :cheers:

Thanks.  :)  I have not heard of any such yet.

For the state of Washington, thus far:  almost 53,00 tested, 3,723 positive.   That's as of today, and since test turnaround has been 3 to up to 7 days, those figures represent only the few who were *tested* and 3-7 days ago at that.  To be tested here, you have to have a temp of 100.4 or more, cough and/or shortness of breath, and access to health care, and you have to be high risk and/or a public worker or health care worker who is in contact with a lot of people.    So that is a big underestimate of true cases, particularly given how many have no symptoms probably.

Deaths, 175 so far,  125 of them in King county.  No deaths so far in people under the age of 40, but the death rates climb steeply after the early 60's.   The incidence of proven cases is pretty evenly spread, though, over people who are older than teen years.

By comparison, from the start of flu season until now (so from early fall until now), we have had *89* flu deaths, and the number of cases is in steady decline as we usually see this time of year.






Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on March 28, 2020, 12:04:55 AM
I'll elaborate a bit more, too, for the curious.    First of all, thanks for the well wishes.  :)  Don't worry about me too much, though I thank you guys for saying as much.  I'm not at all surprised by the kindness, would expect nothing else from all y'all.

First of all, my immune system usually wins.  I'm one of those people who will watch everyone in his house get a bug and feel nothing, not even a tickle in the throat.  And that's seeing sick people all day doing primary care.   Sure,  I could get sick and get really really sick.  But it's less likely for sure.  I'm not fiftty yet, no chronic health problems.

My clinic and system have sharply cut down in-office visits.  In my clinic we'll usually see 1,150 people or so on a  given day, between three primary care teams (comprised of 8-11 docs and PAs each) plus various specialty, peds, internal med and so on.  We have cut that down to <150 visits per day, all in one part of the building.  One group of us is peeled off to see patients in person, in only that area.  The rest of us are doing virtual work, so mostly phone calls and emails, making decisions on peoples testing and work absences, and so on.      I am in the virtual category, unless our hospitals get overwhelmed -- if that happens, I'll be called to work there, as I did hospital work up until just a few years ago and I'm still quite competent there.   We bring in only the people we really really have to see, and we keep it as streamlined and safe for everyone involved as we can.   We do our covid testing as a drive-through nasal swab in the back parking lot, and that's working well to protect those involved and to keep people out of the building.

We (my family) are socially isolating carefully, I'm a careful handwasher / non face toucher, and I'm an introvert who is glad not to go out and talk to people too.  :)   And God only knows, I'm grateful to have steady work.   I know many whose livelihoods are just gone, or in doubt.    I feel so sorry for what they are going through, and we're doing what we can to help, locally.

Washington and Alaska seem to be well in the game of slowing it all down.  My local hospital is not overwhelmed.  The ICU is not full, and all elective cases and hospitalizations are firmly shut down, so actually the hospital nearest me is mostly clear and prepping up.  If we can keep the brakes on this thing locally, I think we can avoid being overwhelmed, at least around here.   But, we shall see.

People are not yet ordered to stay in their homes, but it's pretty darn close.  I have a letter work printed me to say that I'm a doctor and I'm essential and allowed to go where I need to go, in case it comes to authorities asking such questions.  Never have seen that before.   O.o     But, such are times.

I'm favorably impressed with local governmental response.     

I am thoroughly unimpressed with the federal response, but I'll keep my politics out of it otherwise than to say that.

I hope you all are keeping yourselves safe and well.  Remember that the social distancing WORKS and if we do it, we can make a huge difference in how this thing goes.  The economy of the world is going to tank, and that's a foregone conclusion.   We can save lives and reduce the economic harms at the same time, though.   Cuomo got it right.    But we save lives first.  We save lives, first.

Those of you who are diabetic or have autoimmune disease, or who live with the frail -- every time you go out, think about it.  Think about if you really have to do it, or can it wait.  Keep yourselves safe.  I don't want to hear about one damn serious illness among the people in this, my most favorite of internet communities.



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Trevor on March 28, 2020, 12:10:56 AM
I'll elaborate a bit more, too, for the curious.    First of all, thanks for the well wishes.  :)  Don't worry about me too much, though I thank you guys for saying as much.  I'm not at all surprised by the kindness, would expect nothing else from all y'all.

First of all, my immune system usually wins.  I'm one of those people who will watch everyone in his house get a bug and feel nothing, not even a tickle in the throat.  And that's seeing sick people all day doing primary care.   Sure,  I could get sick and get really really sick.  But it's less likely for sure.  I'm not fiftty yet, no chronic health problems.

My clinic and system have sharply cut down in-office visits.  In my clinic we'll usually see 1,150 people or so on a  given day, between three primary care teams (comprised of 8-11 docs and PAs each) plus various specialty, peds, internal med and so on.  We have cut that down to <150 visits per day, all in one part of the building.  One group of us is peeled off to see patients in person, in only that area.  The rest of us are doing virtual work, so mostly phone calls and emails, making decisions on peoples testing and work absences, and so on.      I am in the virtual category, unless our hospitals get overwhelmed -- if that happens, I'll be called to work there, as I did hospital work up until just a few years ago and I'm still quite competent there.   We bring in only the people we really really have to see, and we keep it as streamlined and safe for everyone involved as we can.   We do our covid testing as a drive-through nasal swab in the back parking lot, and that's working well to protect those involved and to keep people out of the building.

We (my family) are socially isolating carefully, I'm a careful handwasher / non face toucher, and I'm an introvert who is glad not to go out and talk to people too.  :)   And God only knows, I'm grateful to have steady work.   I know many whose livelihoods are just gone, or in doubt.    I feel so sorry for what they are going through, and we're doing what we can to help, locally.

Washington and Alaska seem to be well in the game of slowing it all down.  My local hospital is not overwhelmed.  The ICU is not full, and all elective cases and hospitalizations are firmly shut down, so actually the hospital nearest me is mostly clear and prepping up.  If we can keep the brakes on this thing locally, I think we can avoid being overwhelmed, at least around here.   But, we shall see.

People are not yet ordered to stay in their homes, but it's pretty darn close.  I have a letter work printed me to say that I'm a doctor and I'm essential and allowed to go where I need to go, in case it comes to authorities asking such questions.  Never have seen that before.   O.o     But, such are times.

I'm favorably impressed with local governmental response.     

I am thoroughly unimpressed with the federal response, but I'll keep my politics out of it otherwise than to say that.

I hope you all are keeping yourselves safe and well.  Remember that the social distancing WORKS and if we do it, we can make a huge difference in how this thing goes.  The economy of the world is going to tank, and that's a foregone conclusion.   We can save lives and reduce the economic harms at the same time, though.   Cuomo got it right.    But we save lives first.  We save lives, first.

Those of you who are diabetic or have autoimmune disease, or who live with the frail -- every time you go out, think about it.  Think about if you really have to do it, or can it wait.  Keep yourselves safe.  I don't want to hear about one damn serious illness among the people in this, my most favorite of internet communities.



Sending warm hugs and thanks, Brother Zap  :cheers:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Trevor on March 28, 2020, 12:54:18 AM
are you okay, trev???
i just read that prince charles has tested positive.

I'm fine thanks but I'm on leave (enforced but paid) until April 15th.

No comment on PC: peeps here know how I feel about him.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on March 28, 2020, 07:11:51 AM
Now the Queen apparently has it, too.
No joke at her age.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on March 28, 2020, 05:09:20 PM
good to hear you're okay trev!
indie, wow...i haven't watched the news today, she's WAY high risk...my state is now under stay at home order until at least the 19th, thank you governor kelly!  :cheers:
 


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on March 28, 2020, 06:51:50 PM
it's simply amazing she's still alive and almost 100 years old now!  i'm not from the UK but the states and i hope she ends up being okay but than she always seem like  she's maybe a fighter so who knows maybe she can beat it?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on March 29, 2020, 07:04:26 AM
I'd imagine she has a better chance than anyone else her age. She will get the very best medical care available. If not, well she has had a good run. I wouldn't be surprised if she outlives her son though. Buckingham Palace hasn't confirmed that she does or doesn't have it though and I've not seen any mention of her having it on the UK news.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: claws on March 29, 2020, 07:07:39 AM
They also said the singer of Rammstein has it but it turned out to be um, fake news.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on March 29, 2020, 07:13:08 AM
I'd heard he'd had it. Seems an odd choice to me for someone to pick to create a fake story about, but then again there are some messed up people out there. I wonder why someone bothered?

Anyway, it is good to hear he is fine.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on March 29, 2020, 10:07:42 AM
I only saw the story about the Queen on one link, and it hasn't been repeated, so hopefully it was not true.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: claws on March 29, 2020, 10:56:53 AM
I'd heard he'd had it. Seems an odd choice to me for someone to pick to create a fake story about, but then again there are some messed up people out there. I wonder why someone bothered?

Anyway, it is good to hear he is fine.

He was hospitalized with pneumonia but tested negative on the virus. German boulevard paper "Bild" blew it out of proportion.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on March 29, 2020, 12:52:20 PM
are you okay, trev???
i just read that prince charles has tested positive.

I'm fine thanks but I'm on leave (enforced but paid) until April 15th.

No comment on PC: peeps here know how I feel about him.
That's 'cause you're a gentleman.  I would say he can fnck off. 


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on March 29, 2020, 08:08:04 PM
well as of today they said we are stuck at home until April 30th i'm not surprised at all and i don't anyone here is


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on March 29, 2020, 10:03:59 PM
My sister-in-law's brother died of COVID today.  I never met the man and believe they were estranged.  Before that, I learned a long time pal 's boss is in the hospital with COVID. 


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on March 29, 2020, 11:25:49 PM
well that sucks i'm sorry to hear that, true you may not have met the guy but i'm sure you didn't want this to happen to the guy. i hope your pal's boss ends up beating it.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on March 30, 2020, 01:29:13 AM
ditto. this is so much harder when it gets truly personal, i wish more people understood that. far too many of my friends and family ARE dealing with being ill or having loved ones ill and dying...it hurts. :bluesad:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on March 30, 2020, 02:06:04 AM
i can understand that and we all can here really, did you see that Reporter on the news who started crying when she found out that i think football player donated to new Orleans? on air i mean, i'm not judging i guess she was from there and i say good for her for letting it out on live tv even she didn't mean to do it at all.



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on March 30, 2020, 02:45:12 AM
I'm very sorry, John.  :bluesad:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 30, 2020, 07:45:15 AM
My sister-in-law's brother died of COVID today.  I never met the man and believe they were estranged.  Before that, I learned a long time pal 's boss is in the hospital with COVID. 

Sorry to hear that.  :bluesad: You're near the epicenter.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on March 30, 2020, 11:25:05 AM
I'm very sorry, John.  :bluesad:
It's okay, I don't know these two people but obviously it's close. 

My sister-in-law's brother died of COVID today.  I never met the man and believe they were estranged.  Before that, I learned a long time pal 's boss is in the hospital with COVID.  

Sorry to hear that.  :bluesad: You're near the epicenter.
Thanks; to be clear, the sister-in-law I mention is NOT my beloved Gayle who passed in 2014.  


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on March 31, 2020, 12:33:49 AM
 still it sucks either way


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on March 31, 2020, 08:26:15 PM
some hard truths here

https://www.takimag.com/article/speak-the-truth-shame-the-chinese/ (https://www.takimag.com/article/speak-the-truth-shame-the-chinese/)

If China doesn't stop people from eating exotic animals these sort of things are going to become all too common. thats the bottom line


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on March 31, 2020, 10:36:01 PM
some hard truths here

https://www.takimag.com/article/speak-the-truth-shame-the-chinese/ (https://www.takimag.com/article/speak-the-truth-shame-the-chinese/)

If China doesn't stop people from eating exotic animals these sort of things are going to become all too common. thats the bottom line

WTF is Taki magazine- and why should I believe it?  :question:
That's some magical thinking there. Wow.  :bouncegiggle:
Don't believe everything you read on a website.

And in the long run- who gives a f**k what the Chinese eat? It spread faster in China because they are packed like sardines in cities. Lotsa folks. Up in Mongolia- well- they don't give a f**k. Nobody goes or lives there. Except maybe folks who are smarter than any of us! It ain't about nationality- it's about population .

I love this one- from the same webpage!

They call Joe BIden 'Rapey Joe"!  :twirl:
I really think this site is a parody. It has to be!  :buggedout:

https://www.takimag.com/article/rapey-joe-gets-fingered/ (https://www.takimag.com/article/rapey-joe-gets-fingered/)

Yup! That's some 'Hard Truths" there! Holy Gawd Dam! Talk about fake news! This makes the old Weekly World News look like punks  :bouncegiggle:!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on March 31, 2020, 11:13:29 PM
some hard truths here
https://www.takimag.com/article/speak-the-truth-shame-the-chinese/ (https://www.takimag.com/article/speak-the-truth-shame-the-chinese/)
If China doesn't stop people from eating exotic animals these sort of things are going to become all too common. thats the bottom line

The Flu pandemic 100 years ago was thought to have started right here in the USA (millions died worldwide). 
I would like it if nobody ate "exotic animals" but, I ain't eatin' horsesh!t.   :teddyr:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on April 01, 2020, 11:35:23 AM
RC - its a right wing site. what part of it do you disagree with?

don't attack the messenger

and Joe Biden has been accused of sexual assault recently https://www.vox.com/2020/3/27/21195935/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation (https://www.vox.com/2020/3/27/21195935/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation)


so how do you guys think the epidemic started? I'm very curious because most people in the world believe it came from bat sold in a so called "wet market", very similar to how SARS and Bird Flu started

lets hear a logical disagreement thats not just the jumping up and down emoji


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on April 01, 2020, 11:42:38 AM
RC - its a right wing site. what part of it do you disagree with?

don't attack the messenger

and Joe Biden has been accused of sexual assault recently https://www.vox.com/2020/3/27/21195935/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation (https://www.vox.com/2020/3/27/21195935/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation)

All of it. Talk about 'fake news!"
Ssh! It's all conjecture and plain old bulls**t. It's like watching the 'Ancient Aliens' show, just making up s**t and calling them 'facts' to fit their belief system.
I don't have the answers- but I don't pretend to, either.
This isn't about politics, and and shouldn't be. It's too late to place blame on anyone. I've heard theories that it was a chemical weapon developed by the Russians, fer crying out loud! And who knows?
But all this conjecture is not helping matters at all.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on April 01, 2020, 11:57:47 AM
one problem thats not addressed in that story is how the bats, which are not native to the area, ended up in this "wet market".

https://thebulletin.org/2020/03/experts-know-the-new-coronavirus-is-not-a-bioweapon-they-disagree-on-whether-it-could-have-leaked-from-a-research-lab/

after SARS the Chinese govt set up a research facility in Wuhan to study animal to human transmission. so some people, including scientists from China, have speculated that THAT is how these animals ended up there. possibly taken from the lab and sold to people who like to eat "exotic" animals, which is the gimmick of these markets.


prevention this from happening is the key. we can't shut down the entire world every couple months for one of these things. We won't be able to "flatten the curve" every time, human imperfection being what it is


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on April 01, 2020, 12:25:25 PM
I don't know how or why it's here. I'll leave that to the scientists. Not by listening to unproven theories.

I will agree that eating animals like bats and monkeys  and rats is a stupid idea. They carry lots of germs.
Hell, they eat fish if not cooked right will kill you!  :buggedout:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on April 01, 2020, 02:11:02 PM
one problem thats not addressed in that story is how the bats, which are not native to the area, ended up in this "wet market".

[url]https://thebulletin.org/2020/03/experts-know-the-new-coronavirus-is-not-a-bioweapon-they-disagree-on-whether-it-could-have-leaked-from-a-research-lab/[/url] ([url]https://thebulletin.org/2020/03/experts-know-the-new-coronavirus-is-not-a-bioweapon-they-disagree-on-whether-it-could-have-leaked-from-a-research-lab/[/url])

after SARS the Chinese govt set up a research facility in Wuhan to study animal to human transmission. so some people, including scientists from China, have speculated that THAT is how these animals ended up there. possibly taken from the lab and sold to people who like to eat "exotic" animals, which is the gimmick of these markets.


prevention this from happening is the key. we can't shut down the entire world every couple months for one of these things. We won't be able to "flatten the curve" every time, human imperfection being what it is



(http://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/91150940_10156504117226618_4030439250922045440_o.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=ca434c&_nc_ohc=JNbVnfAhVVcAX-4xr8g&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=15eff636a83745d5145073f0b478a811&oe=5EAB08A7)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on April 01, 2020, 02:28:56 PM
That article about Biden was written by Jim goad who did the zine answer me in the 90s. Some of you might remember that one


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zombie no.one on April 01, 2020, 06:40:13 PM
RIP Adam Schlesinger from Fountains Of Wayne, apparently from coronavirus.

probably my favourite songwriter of the last 25 years, and I'm not just saying that. him and the other Fountains guy, Chris Collingwood, pop geniuses.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on April 02, 2020, 06:18:42 AM
I don't know how or why it's here. I'll leave that to the scientists. Not by listening to unproven theories.

But we *do* know that it originated in China, that the Chinese brought it here, and it is highly likely that the Chinese government is behind the whole thing.

Quote
In late November 2018, just over a year before the first coronavirus case was identified in Wuhan, China, U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents at Detroit Metro Airport stopped a Chinese biologist with three vials labeled “Antibodies” in his luggage.

The biologist told the agents that a colleague in China had asked him to deliver the vials to a researcher at a U.S. institute. After examining the vials, however, customs agents came to an alarming conclusion.

“Inspection of the writing on the vials and the stated recipient led inspection personnel to believe the materials contained within the vials may be viable Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) materials,” says an unclassified FBI tactical intelligence report obtained by Yahoo News.

The report, written by the Chemical and Biological Intelligence Unit of the FBI’s Weapons of Mass Destruction Directorate (WMDD), does not give the name of the Chinese scientist carrying the suspected SARS and MERS samples, or the intended recipient in the U.S. But the FBI concluded that the incident, and two other cases cited in the report, were part of an alarming pattern.

https://news.yahoo.com/suspected-sars-virus-and-flu-found-in-luggage-fbi-report-describes-chinas-biosecurity-risk-144526820.html (https://news.yahoo.com/suspected-sars-virus-and-flu-found-in-luggage-fbi-report-describes-chinas-biosecurity-risk-144526820.html)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on April 02, 2020, 11:53:39 AM
^ China is ground zero for these sorts of studies, in large part because so many of the animal to human diseases originate there. It would not surprise me that they were transferring these materials to American laboratories


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on April 02, 2020, 01:30:20 PM
My brother was quoted in a Wall Street Journal article: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/questions-about-accuracy-of-coronavirus-tests-sow-worry/ar-BB124KXh?ocid=spartanntp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/questions-about-accuracy-of-coronavirus-tests-sow-worry/ar-BB124KXh?ocid=spartanntp)

"Chris Smalley, a primary-care doctor at Louisville, Ky.,-based Norton Healthcare, said the 70% estimate was gaining traction with doctors finding out how well the tests work in the real world, absent better data. He said several of his patients with negative tests went on to develop highly suspicious coronavirus symptoms and require long hospital stays.
Dr. Smalley said a negative result is more likely to be accurate in places like Louisville where the prevalence is low, but could be virtually useless in New York, where it is high."

Talking about the estimated 70% accuracy rating of current virus tests.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on April 02, 2020, 04:28:18 PM
I actually got to see some of my students this week via ZOOM meetings.  I sure have missed the little buggers!!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on April 02, 2020, 06:15:28 PM
There are 10 cases in Van Buern County, Michigan.  :bluesad:

I am very proud of Tiana. She's taking all precautions, being she works in a nursing home.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on April 02, 2020, 07:28:47 PM
this is a good start https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-wildlife/chinas-shenzhen-bans-the-eating-of-cats-and-dogs-after-coronavirus-idUSKBN21K0EW (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-wildlife/chinas-shenzhen-bans-the-eating-of-cats-and-dogs-after-coronavirus-idUSKBN21K0EW)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on April 02, 2020, 11:29:01 PM
There are 10 cases in Van Buern County, Michigan.  :bluesad:

I am very proud of Tiana. She's taking all precautions, being she works in a nursing home.
You tell her that I'm proud of her too.  Plus she's cute.  :lookingup: :wink:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: El Misfit on April 02, 2020, 11:59:38 PM
this is a good start https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-wildlife/chinas-shenzhen-bans-the-eating-of-cats-and-dogs-after-coronavirus-idUSKBN21K0EW (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-wildlife/chinas-shenzhen-bans-the-eating-of-cats-and-dogs-after-coronavirus-idUSKBN21K0EW)
If they get rid of cooking bats covered in feces and urine then it'll be a life savor, literally.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on April 03, 2020, 01:53:24 PM
There are 10 cases in Van Buern County, Michigan.  :bluesad:

I am very proud of Tiana. She's taking all precautions, being she works in a nursing home.
You tell her that I'm proud of her too.  Plus she's cute.  :lookingup: :wink:

me too, and she IS cute!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: WingedSerpent on April 05, 2020, 12:52:14 PM
I am dealing with the fact that it might be an entire year before I really feel safe to do anything outside and go to anything public again.  First, the peak date was thought to be in April, now their saying it might be in may or as late as June.   And since it might come back in the fall/winter, we may only have a few months of what could be called :  normal

My friends and I were planning an out of state trip in late July.  It still might be on, but I would not surprise me if it ends up getting canceled.

It was really nice weather outside yesterday...  I spend some time outside cleaning up some leaves.  I would have really loved to go to the zoo, or take a long walk in the park.  But everything feels like a calculated risk right now.

My family is self quarantining,  so I haven't seen my parents in weeks. We talk through facetime/skype.  While I'm more introverted then them, so I feel I can weather this part of the storm better then them, but I know they have to be a little upset.

I just want all of this over.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on April 05, 2020, 01:06:51 PM
Stay strong. You will get through this and it will eventually be no more than an unpleasant memory.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on April 05, 2020, 03:19:18 PM
alex is right, we WILL get through this. i understand your fear though, WS, i'm debating if i'm willing to get on a plane in july myself. IF that's even possible by then.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 05, 2020, 11:16:01 PM
guys i'm praying not in may but by June maybe weather it's early june or mid june that this hell we all are going through will be a memory for all of us a nightmare memory but a memory none the less. one does wonder how long this will even last or what kind of world it will even be when it does go back to what is considered normal. i had to laugh a little when it said that smog is down and while that is good news and i do hope that the people who aren't working or trying to find a cure and who are trying to save this planet will be able to help find a way to save it.

but what would really damn help is we didn't have these idiots who just don't give a damn and insist that the virus is fake news and trying to take a talking cheetoo out of the white house even though that is not the case. the whole world doesn't give a damn about him so... anyways sorry stupid people that don't care about others like safety just p**s me off that's all. i'm not trying to start a political fight here either so if i offended anyone i'm sorry

ya can edit this if ya like i don't mind


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on April 05, 2020, 11:31:11 PM
It's looking like the only way to beat COVID-19 without a vaccine is going to be via herd immunity like how we beat the chicken pox before a vaccine was developed for that. Dr. Fauci says that it's probably going to be a seasonal thing, which sounds like just another flu shot for you folks to pester the anti-vaxxers into getting every year.

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Coronavirus could become a seasonally recurring menace, the nation’s top infectious-disease expert warned Sunday.

“Unless we get this globally under control there is a very good chance that it’ll assume a seasonal nature,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said on CBS’s “Face The Nation.”

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-dr-anthony-fauci-seasonal-recurrence-20200405-us55hv3vnfec3gr3vddcmcavnq-story.html (https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-dr-anthony-fauci-seasonal-recurrence-20200405-us55hv3vnfec3gr3vddcmcavnq-story.html)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 06, 2020, 02:15:09 AM
i had a flu shot last fall and i know this virus isn't the flu but one wonders if that does help keep you from getting it?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on April 06, 2020, 06:31:26 AM
for you folks to pester




The only pest around here is you. :lookingup:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on April 06, 2020, 07:34:36 AM
i had a flu shot last fall and i know this virus isn't the flu but one wonders if that does help keep you from getting it?

Doubtful. Coronaviruses cause the common cold. The flu is influenza, which is a different virus altogether.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on April 06, 2020, 02:22:51 PM
Just heard our Prime Minister is now in intensive care with Covid-19. A comedian who was big back in the '70s and '80s (part of a double act called Little and Large), died from it. The Scottish Chief Medical Officer has been more or less forced to step down after she was caught out breaking the don't travel to holiday homes two weekends in a row.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 06, 2020, 03:49:25 PM
really last i heard he was doing better.. with me i've got allergies so how in the hell am i suppose to tell which is which?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on April 06, 2020, 03:53:48 PM
Yeah, it’s all that you can get on the news here.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on April 06, 2020, 04:00:05 PM
really last i heard he was doing better.. with me i've got allergies so how in the hell am i suppose to tell which is which?

Me too. I had a bad bout of what were probably allergies just as the story was starting to gain momentum. People thought I was joking when I told them I hoped I had the virus, but I really wanted that sweet, sweet immunity.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on April 06, 2020, 04:56:53 PM
rev, there's no gaurantee at all that recovering from the virus will mean immunity, i've read several stories about doctors worldwide thinking that some of the people they're treating for it now were re-infected.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on April 06, 2020, 05:24:09 PM
rev, there's no gaurantee at all that recovering from the virus will mean immunity, i've read several stories about doctors worldwide thinking that some of the people they're treating for it now were re-infected.

You're right, there's no guarantee, but there is an excellent chance.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 06, 2020, 05:44:09 PM
i'd say it's 50/50 it's possible if you get it and you live through it you won't get it again and there's another 50% that if you get it once and live thorough it you can get it again even easier. either way they have no idea or proof which one is right or hell even if my percentage is right or wrong


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on April 08, 2020, 12:57:59 PM
I think I may have had it in January.

ALSO

follow up to the controversial column I posted last week

https://www.takimag.com/article/wuhan-derangement-syndrome/ (https://www.takimag.com/article/wuhan-derangement-syndrome/)

In this one, the author attempts to steer the wuhan origin story away from the "escaped from a lab" hypothesis to the wet market one, which is still the one most people know.

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The science on SARS is uncontested, but that’s only because it didn’t become a huge international plague. SARS conspiracy theories didn’t drive web traffic, so the fantasists let it be. But with COVID, we want a mad scientist in a lab as the villain, not a billion arrogant, selfish, but ordinary a***oles who refuse to alter their gutter tastes in the name of saving lives.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on April 08, 2020, 09:08:07 PM
I think I may have had it in January.

I had those same symptoms that they listed to look out for when I was last sick at the end of September. I just remember that it felt different from a regular cold because of how quick that it arrived, it stuck around for 5 days or so, and then the fever went away and other than losing my voice for a couple of days and coughing up a bunch of crap out of my lungs I felt just fine.

I know that September is outside the fringe of when it was first reported in November, but you can't trust any information that comes out of China anymore. As much as China had tried to "Chernobyl" this whole thing, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if we all had a touch of it throughout last year already before it had mutated into something much more contagious later in the year.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on April 08, 2020, 09:23:43 PM
I constantly go in and out of the city and specifically the airport and haven't been sick since then. I'll never know I guess


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 08, 2020, 10:16:49 PM
yeah but do you really want to? i mean come on if that was it i say just be grateful you got over it guys and hopefully you won't get it again that's how i look at it anyways.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on April 08, 2020, 10:19:06 PM
 My son, when he was at the homeless shelter for about 3 months, may have had it. His head hurt, he was coughing, he was sick as a dog for about a month and a half. He was also living in my house. We drank out off the same bottle-slept in the same room. I got real sick too. But I may very well be paranoid.

I don't take this lightly. Me sweeties boss is picking people to work an isolation hall at the nursing home. She said she don't wan't to do it-because I have heart problems. I told her, if she wants to do it- do it.
They ain't got no cases yet. But 2 folks in Van Buern county have died. Michigan is # 3 after New York and Jersey.
If I get it and die- well, I get it and die.

http://youtu.be/DECp8LKurKs (http://youtu.be/DECp8LKurKs)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Trevor on April 10, 2020, 04:03:56 AM
Our Prez announced yesterday that my country will be in lock down until the end of this month.  :buggedout: :bluesad:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on April 10, 2020, 07:59:31 AM
My completely non-expert prediction for my state is that restrictions will gradually start to ease by mid-May, and we'll be back to nearly normal by June.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on April 10, 2020, 08:05:26 AM
So now the conspiracy brigade is saying that Bill Gates created this virus so he could profit from a mandatory vaccine . . . while putting a microchip in the vaccine to track us all!

The stupidity is so thick it leaps off the screen and burrows into my skull!!!!!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on April 10, 2020, 10:43:18 AM
My completely non-expert prediction for my state is that restrictions will gradually start to ease by mid-May, and we'll be back to nearly normal by June.

If people stick to the whole social distancing thing then these dates look very achievable. If not, then it could end up going a bit longer.

Hopefully even the most moronic* amongst us who thought this was just all overblown media hysteria have figured out that it is a bit more serious than they claimed and will now start going along with the rules. Hearing that sadly some places are starting to resort to mass graves as local networks become overwhelmed.


*My favourite ones are the ones who claimed this was all overblown and yet also claim that it is a Chinese bio-weapon. What are you saying there? That the Chinese have unleashed the worlds least effective biological weapon aimed at the sick and old who would die soon anyway? Or that you were wrong and it is actually something more serious? They don't tend to explain that point and tend to either get a bit upset if you challenge them on it or ignore the question.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 10, 2020, 01:53:06 PM
well here in Amherst ohio a couple weeks ago we had a couple cases i wish i knew who had got it and if i knew them but of course that's not legal for me to know and i understand that too i just want to know if i know them that's all. i wouldn't invite them over for a pizza i mean come on.  anyways, having said that

my gut tells me it's a bit later that by June maybe mid June because they keep saying it's gonna peak and it hasn't yet so i give it a bit more time before it does,

so i am  hoping that by mid june it's gonna slowly start to open up and by July things will be back to normal and folks if they are able to get their jobs back if they are lucky will be working again. my b-day is in September i want it gone by than and plus i want to be able to throw my nephew a b-day party since my niece who missed her 13th's this ya didn't have one this year


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on April 10, 2020, 06:55:43 PM
i'm with you on the timeline, penny, at least here in our midwest corridor.
  indy, there's people out there who are also claiming this is NOT a virus, it's "an immune system response" or some such nonsense, but yes, created by bill gates, and trump is somehow being blackmailed into going along with it. i can post a link to the thread on my oz board, or post the incredible video, if you're interested.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on April 10, 2020, 07:01:00 PM
i'm with you on the timeline, penny, at least here in our midwest corridor.
  indy, there's people out there who are also claiming this is NOT a virus, it's "an immune system response" or some such nonsense, but yes, created by bill gates, and trump is somehow being blackmailed into going along with it. i can post a link to the thread on my oz board, or post the incredible video, if you're interested.

What nonsense!

EVERYONE knows its 5G towers that are causing the symptoms!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on April 10, 2020, 07:02:28 PM
lol, i saw that one being talked about on the aussie ebay board.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on April 10, 2020, 08:08:12 PM
gave a ride to a guy who works at a local old folks place, the same one my mom used to work out. They have had like 70 plus covid deaths to the extent that they have trailers for all the bodies

edit: checked it out on line. it was more like 4 not 70 plus


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: El Misfit on April 10, 2020, 09:00:15 PM
So the neighboring parishes where I live has the highest amount of Covid 19 deaths. I saw that social distancing/staying at home works well here, and that it wasn't enforced at the neighboring parishes.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: VenomX73 on April 11, 2020, 09:16:58 PM
i'm with you on the timeline, penny, at least here in our midwest corridor.
  indy, there's people out there who are also claiming this is NOT a virus, it's "an immune system response" or some such nonsense, but yes, created by bill gates, and trump is somehow being blackmailed into going along with it. i can post a link to the thread on my oz board, or post the incredible video, if you're interested.

What nonsense!

EVERYONE knows its 5G towers that are causing the symptoms!

its a crazy world.  :bluesad:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 11, 2020, 10:17:10 PM
i have nothing against people who go to church but like i always say anyone who want to go to church right even if it was my own mother who wanted do to this is even she would be an idiot and i would tell so too. thankfully she's not dumb enough to do anything like that.

also i just saw online that now get this wrestling is open again okay? of the sports i hate the most is football and wrestling. at least football is real i will give them that, but  this is my opinion as i'm not a sports guy and i never have been so to each their own who enjoys both sports if you do or just one of them.

i'm not trying to start a fight here, anyways my rambling here is me trying to say they had someone get sick behind the camera or something that got sick with the virus and yet they aren't concerned about their staff or the wrestlers themselves. i'm sorry if you want to be stupid  stupid enough

to even want to wrestle let alone not keep them off tv and just play old reruns than they deserve what they get. if they can cancel all sports even the 2020 Olympics cause of this virus and even disney world and Disneyland as well those people are smart than why would they think it's smart to start doing it again? yeah there's no fans true but you have the wrestlers around each other and who knows if one of them does have it and not know they have it ya know?

i may not  be a sports guy but i don't want them to get sick and maybe die when it's much safer to just stay at home with their family's as wrestling is not an essential job unlike say working at a bank is for example.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on April 11, 2020, 10:48:48 PM
I'm a faithful churchgoer and former pastor, but this year I am staying home for Easter.
There is a verse in the Bible that says: "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God."


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on April 12, 2020, 10:33:31 AM
20,000 dead in the U.S. in just three months. 100,000+ dead globally.

The good news is that, globally, the number of new cases has started to slow. New York thinks it's at its peak right now. Let's hope this keeps up.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on April 12, 2020, 03:54:42 PM
i predict junction city will be kansas's next " hotspot". the pastor of calvary baptist church defied the kansas supreme court's backing of governor kelly's order of no services with more than 10 people. i can't even express my disgust... :hatred:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 12, 2020, 07:18:58 PM
the sad thing is that people just don't think it's real even though to everyone here it is real, they think that just because they go to church they won't be touched when that's not how it works. indiansmith i hope i'm not offending you that isn't what i'm trying to do, i think you are smart to stay home this easter too.

i think if the churches are doing a service online where it's healthy and it's keeping everyone safe and it's the smart thing to do that's what they should do.
a friend of mine who does go to Mass every sunday with his wife was just telling me about a week or so ago that him and his wife are creating their own little mass for them and their little girl who is i think 3 or 4 years old.  they also are using the internet as well which is smart i think and we can joke about how

that weeds out the stupid and yeah it does but the truth is sometimes there are more stupid people than smart people and that's what half the population right there sadly. i do think that if more people stayed home and when they do go out they were more careful than i think less people might die than there are..

i can't say that it would 100% work cause i dunno if it would but it might help some at least and who knows maybe by July we can go back to our somewhat normal lives  well those who are lucky to be able to do that anyways. but for those who have lost loved ones nothing will ever be the same for them again sadly. sure they can leave the house when it's over and live their lives to some degree but when you have a disease that kills your loved ones you can't not be changed by that ya know? the same friend i was talking about he lives in the USA he was telling he's got a friend in the UK who has trouble  with her health normally he's worried she might get it too.

well as i told him i hope she ends up being okay even if it's a woman i've never met nor do i even know her name for that matter.

i dunno if ohio has a hotspot does it?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on April 12, 2020, 08:55:21 PM
i know dayton is considered one, i'd have to google for more, if there are more.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on April 12, 2020, 09:38:19 PM
Honestly, if a pastor defies the order and his congregation has an outbreak, I think he could be open for lawsuits.

One of my friends on Twitter said there was a funeral for a distant relative last month; she stayed home and made her son stay home. Out of 50 people that went, 26 got COVID-19, two died, and six were hospitalized.

That's a bad bug!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 13, 2020, 12:04:57 AM
i know right, i am from Amherst ohio, that may have been the funeral my mom was telling me about a week or two ago i forget anymore.  did you see that that Carrier i think it's the same that colonel ? or whatever his rank was i forget was fired from, i am not sure if it's the same ship but as of a day or two ago it had 550 infected people. i dunno how many died cause i didn't read the article and in the title it didn't say either.

i can respect someone who wants to give a nice funeral for their friend or family  member don't get me wrong, but this isn't the time to do a service unless you want to join the person that died. but than what do i know ya know?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on April 13, 2020, 06:39:43 PM
you know more than far too many people, my friend. the idiotic comments i read today in my newspaper feed were sickening.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 13, 2020, 07:53:36 PM
i've got some even worse news for you it's not just your newspaper but EVERYWHERE sadly  :hatred:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on April 14, 2020, 06:56:19 PM
i know... my FB friend list has been seriously decimated. anyone who doesn't think this is serious and killing people isn't going to worry about killing ME by giving it to me, so they're gonesville.
   and after yesterday's televised meltdown that included a TAXPAYER FUNDED campaign ad, so are the trump cult members. even the ones i love.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on April 14, 2020, 07:44:05 PM
The chorus of cheers on my FB feed when Trump announced that he is cutting funding for the WHO is truly depressing.
Like all bureaucracies, I am sure that WHO has its share of problems.
But slashing our contribution in the middle of a worldwide pandemic is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
I am embarrassed at what the world must think of us!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on April 14, 2020, 08:33:42 PM
The chorus of cheers on my FB feed when Trump announced that he is cutting funding for the WHO is truly depressing.
Like all bureaucracies, I am sure that WHO has its share of problems.
But slashing our contribution in the middle of a worldwide pandemic is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
I am embarrassed at what the world must think of us!

Wow, I figured even Trump supporters would realize that was a huge f-up.

I bet that if he had INCREASED funding to the WHO, the very same people would be cheering just as loud.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 14, 2020, 10:30:08 PM
the people who cheer that i think well to keep it clean i think they are too stupid to realize how it may affect them too. they give no Sh*t about another human much like our so called president. i have a rule i made myself whenever he shows up on my tv i instantly change the channel.  ya know we have had what #45 presidents? honestly i have not been keeping track on what number we even are on since i left school in june on of (1999) 

and history was never a strong subject for me but certain parts in history do interest me like JFK's death and the water gate scandel and those are due to the films about them pretty much.  and i love the film Malcom X but i do not know much about the man to be honest, anyways, my point is off the top of my throughout history i do not remember and i'm 41 years old i'm gona be 42 this year, i had to do an extra year or two of high school in case you are wondering.


anyways i don't think there has been any other president that people go this much gaga over to use an old saying. to believe everything he says, now i know both sides are full  of sh*t but i don't even remember them lying this much as they have this term do  you?   i don't even think we had any Politican on either side who has had the amount of well what The orange cheeto has do you? or am i wrong?

i've always thought Trump still thinks it's that stupid tv show he used to do that i never watched. a girl i know i remember when she was in College was forced to a report on it while shew as in college and even she was like WTF is this? 

there was a guy on you tube that was posting stuff that i'd love to say what it was but let's just say that it was him saying he wanted to hurt him real bad.
i may not like the guy but i'm not stupid enough   to post that kind of stuff online nor do i think it's worth doing that kind of thing to him at all.

a guy i listen to is i think blocked by  trump on twitter and this guy's got a few podcasts and a couple years back he made a remark and i'd love to say what it was but i don't remember offhand what it was and  though he was joking he had the secret service visit him and i don't want that to happen to me.

he talked about it on his podcast that's how i know about it. anyways i'm sorry you had to take anyone off your face book page. but i'd do the same thing if it was me.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 14, 2020, 10:36:56 PM
i've vented online about him at times but anyone who says they want to hurt him in any way is an idiot. even if i say it in my own home and not online it's just me venting and it's just not worth it ya know? my point is it's amazing what some people online and i am curious if anyone does go after him? with that remark on you tube i would not be surprised if someone did.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on April 15, 2020, 12:42:04 AM
I wonder if what he's doing isnt trying to get the WHO to pick a new leader, which they should probably do. the current one is well in the pocket of China


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on April 15, 2020, 09:18:30 AM
The chorus of cheers on my FB feed when Trump announced that he is cutting funding for the WHO is truly depressing.
Like all bureaucracies, I am sure that WHO has its share of problems.
But slashing our contribution in the middle of a worldwide pandemic is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
I am embarrassed at what the world must think of us!

Wow, I figured even Trump supporters would realize that was a huge f-up.

I bet that if he had INCREASED funding to the WHO, the very same people would be cheering just as loud.

It's depressing.

(https://i.imgur.com/hwpEJTH.gif) (https://lunapic.com)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on April 15, 2020, 01:26:37 PM
Just got a letter from work telling me because of Covid-19 I've to go home for 12 weeks, but I am still going to be on full pay. The only kicker is that I am not allowed to leave the house for those 3 months.

As an introvert, I would have to say I have just hit the jackpot.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 15, 2020, 02:29:51 PM
i know right that is everyone's dream to not have to even leave the house and get paid for it but it's just a damn shame that it's taking a pademic to have it happen. i was just watching a video on you tube and they said they are now thinking it's gonna last until 2022 man i sure as HELL hope not.  on yahoo news

though i see today that there is an article which i haven't read but the title says that the orange Cheeto as i call him is having tweets he did 3 months ago well they are coming back to bite him in the ass though he no doubt will call it fake news.  there was also a doctor recently that came out and said he is non human and well they are right


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on April 15, 2020, 03:14:01 PM
I am going to be optimistic and hope that it is over before 2022. I don't think the world economy could cope with it for that long. Not in its current form anyway. Free market economies just aren't built to survive that kind of thing, certainly not in its current form (and I am not just talking about the US there). I've heard everything from May until 2022 myself. My own guess would be September, but that is just a random month my brain has picked and not really based on anything more than a gut feeling. Mostly I am just doing my best to keep the people around me spirit's up while still trying to keep them grounded in reality. No doubt by the end of 3 months I'll be clawing at the door to get out.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 15, 2020, 05:23:15 PM
i'm really trying to be optimistic as well and what worries me the most is that if we are back open by July and that's the soonest  i can think of. as it takes awhile for things to open back up etc... what will happen than? will there be infected people out in the world than who weren't before but they are in their houses now and they don't know they are infected?  and will the death toll than rise even higher? how will they know when we are ready to open back up?

and i 100% agree with you that it's not just the USA or hell even the UK it's the planet itself and all trump and his cronies care about is lining their pockets with money instead of helping people who DO in fact need it. you can't take your money with you when you die i don't care who you are you can't do that it's impossible. but they are way to stupid to realize  that with them doing this it shows the public that don't give a damn about anyone but themselves yes we know that but people who are too stupid to realize that may realize it well some of them anyways just might.

like i said before dead people can't vote to keep you in office and i'd love if the evil corporations did go bankrupt they'd frankly deserve it. hell you've seen the film 'The Devil's Avodcate  with Al Pacino sorry for the bad spelling well that's Pacino playing Trump


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on April 15, 2020, 06:13:18 PM
What bothers me is I see the same phony, discredited claims circulating ad nauseum on FB every day.  This article talks about several of them:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/6-zombie-claims-about-the-coronavirus-that-just-wont-go-away/ar-BB12GbF0?li=BBnb7Kz (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/6-zombie-claims-about-the-coronavirus-that-just-wont-go-away/ar-BB12GbF0?li=BBnb7Kz)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on April 15, 2020, 06:31:34 PM
What bothers me is I see the same phony, discredited claims circulating ad nauseum on FB every day.  This article talks about several of them:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/6-zombie-claims-about-the-coronavirus-that-just-wont-go-away/ar-BB12GbF0?li=BBnb7Kz (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/6-zombie-claims-about-the-coronavirus-that-just-wont-go-away/ar-BB12GbF0?li=BBnb7Kz)

Yes, I also see the claim that the hospitals in New York City are empty.  :lookingup:

I don't respond to this nonsense. It seems that it goes away faster if you don't give it oxygen than if you enter into a debate.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Trevor on April 15, 2020, 08:00:11 PM
The chorus of cheers on my FB feed when Trump announced that he is cutting funding for the WHO is truly depressing.
Like all bureaucracies, I am sure that WHO has its share of problems.
But slashing our contribution in the middle of a worldwide pandemic is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
I am embarrassed at what the world must think of us!

That's no more embarrassing than to read that our dumb ass "soldiers" in the SA National Defence Force have now killed 9 innocent people during the lock down! They are morons with guns. 


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 15, 2020, 10:41:23 PM
the only zombies we have are in Washington  :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on April 15, 2020, 11:06:55 PM
What I don't understand is why Trumpers- who can see and watch his Tweets and on film, see - with they're own eyes! -him talk s**t and flat out lie to the public...and no- it's not fake news- because there he is doing it- right in front of your face- still believe and follow this lying sack of s**t. They would rather listen to fanatic spinners like Rush Limbaugh and his ilk. Is common sense out of fashion or some sh!t?
 Indy is a confirmed Republican. I'm not a confirmed anything- and we agree that he nuttier than a fruitcake.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 15, 2020, 11:11:58 PM
that's just insulting fruitcake and that stuff is just plain nasty. i dunno man it's a fxing cult my friend there's nothing else it could be i refuse to even say he's our president at all. on here is one thing but i have a hard time saying it from my mouth.  i think part of it is they watch fox news and believe everything on that i know i did for years but let me add that i don't normally watch the news  so  i just assumed they weren't lying until i started listening to podcast called WTF

and they started talking about how much lying that channel does. well he's one of the most successful conman cause this one actually did get elected to the white house! Nixon was less a crook that cheeto man is  NIXON!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on April 16, 2020, 01:10:44 AM
In all seriousness Pennywise, I am going to suggest that if you can, take a few days away from the news and facebook. Everything seems to be about Covid like there is nothing else happening in the world and it can get a bit overwhelming. Give yourself a bit of time without hearing about this 24/7. You sound like you need a bit of breathing space. Take care of yourself.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 16, 2020, 03:28:35 AM
we all do my friend. i don't spend the entire night looking for news about it i do other stuff online and i watch a movie or tv show etc...


but i do check up on yahoo news once in a while and most of the articles i don't even read but there's a you tube channel i watch sometimes called ring of fire that talks about it and it's not just that though they talk about.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on April 16, 2020, 05:36:03 AM
What bothers me is I see the same phony, discredited claims circulating ad nauseum on FB every day.  This article talks about several of them:

[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/6-zombie-claims-about-the-coronavirus-that-just-wont-go-away/ar-BB12GbF0?li=BBnb7Kz[/url] ([url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/6-zombie-claims-about-the-coronavirus-that-just-wont-go-away/ar-BB12GbF0?li=BBnb7Kz[/url])


This one is not so phony:

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6. The death toll is significantly oversold because people with coronavirus might actually die of something else

This theory has been popularized by Fox News analyst Brit Hume and began to spread last week.

Hume has argued that people who had the coronavirus and died might actually have died of other underlying conditions but are being logged as coronavirus deaths. He compared it to someone with prostate cancer dying with the disease rather than of it.
 
Carlson picked up that ball and ran with it on a show featuring Hume last week, suggesting that a decline in the number of weekly pneumonia deaths suggests some of those deaths are being wrongly blamed on the coronavirus.
 
A Republican Minnesota state senator who is also a physician appeared on Ingraham’s show and advanced a similar argument, suggesting doctors were being overly encouraged to cite coronavirus as a cause of death.

The White House task force itself, though, has rejected the notion that the numbers are being padded. The coronavirus coordinator on the task force, Deborah Birx, noted that when people have underlying conditions and die of the coronavirus, it’s because the virus exacerbated the situation.

“Those individuals will have an underlying condition, but that underlying condition did not cause their acute death when it’s related to a covid[-19] infection,” Birx said. “In fact, it’s the opposite.”


When you consider that Dr. Birx admitted that they count all deaths where COVID-19 is present in their system as a COVID-19 death even if it has not been determined as the actual cause of death; the difference between dying *with* COVID-19 and dying *of* COVID-19 becomes blurry:

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGHp1GdOD4k#)


That may not raise any red flags here, but it ought to, especially if you are at all concerned about accuracy versus propaganda. New York City has not helped the nation at all by hyping up their death toll with "presumed" deaths. The medical field is supposed to be counted on for its accuracy, not for its probabilities:

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The latest statistics include probable coronavirus deaths through Monday. And even the new statistics may understate the death toll. Probable deaths were recorded as people who did not have a positive lab test for Covid-19, but did have Covid-19 or something similar listed as the cause of death on their death certificate.

“Behind every death is a friend, a family member, a loved one. We are focused on ensuring that every New Yorker who died because of COVID-19 gets counted,” Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot said in a statement. “As a city, it is part of the healing process to be able to grieve and mourn for all those that have passed because of COVID-19. While these data reflect the tragic impact that the virus has had on our city, they will also help us to determine the scale and scope of the epidemic and guide us in our decisions.”

The city's death toll has soared so high that morgues have filled, funeral homes have been overwhelmed and burials of unclaimed remains on Hart Island have surged. As of Monday evening, the city tallied 107,263 cases of the coronavirus, with many more undetected because of lack of testing.

People whose death certificates don’t mention the virus still are not counted. From March 11 through April 13, 8,184 city residents died of causes not classified as confirmed or probable coronavirus.


https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/04/14/new-york-city-coronavirus-death-toll-jumps-by-3-700-after-uncounted-fatalities-are-added-1275931 (https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/04/14/new-york-city-coronavirus-death-toll-jumps-by-3-700-after-uncounted-fatalities-are-added-1275931)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on April 16, 2020, 05:41:29 AM
I wonder if what he's doing isnt trying to get the WHO to pick a new leader, which they should probably do. the current one is well in the pocket of China

The World Health Organization (run by the United Nations) is also deep in the pockets of Bill Gates, who is now the richest man in the world since Amazon's Bezos divorced his wife and gave her half of everything, and who is now the #1 monetary donor to the World Health Organization now that the United States has pulled out of that scam.

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Some billionaires are satisfied with buying themselves an island. Bill Gates got a United Nations health agency in Geneva.

Over the past decade, the world’s richest man has become the World Health Organization’s second biggest donor, second only to the United States and just above the United Kingdom. This largesse gives him outsized influence over its agenda, one that could grow as the U.S. and the U.K. threaten to cut funding if the agency doesn’t make a better investment case.

The result, say his critics, is that Gates’ priorities have become the WHO’s. Rather than focusing on strengthening health care in poor countries — that would help, in their view, to contain future outbreaks like the Ebola epidemic — the agency spends a disproportionate amount of its resources on projects with the measurable outcomes Gates prefers, such as the effort to eradicate polio.
Concerns about the software billionaire’s sway — roughly a quarter of WHO’s budget goes toward polio eradication — has led to an effort to rein him in. But he remains a force to be reckoned with, as WHO prepares to elect one of three finalists to lead the organization.

“All of the candidates are going to have to ally with him in some way,” said Sophie Harman, associate professor of international politics at Queen Mary University of London. “You can’t ignore him.”
Evidence of Gates’ unprecedented influence abounds in ways subtle and showy.

Already a decade ago, when Gates started throwing money into malaria eradication, top officials — including the chief of the WHO’s malaria program — raised concerns that the foundation was distorting research priorities. “The term often used was ‘monopolistic philanthropy’, the idea that Gates was taking his approach to computers and applying it to the Gates Foundation,” said a source close to the WHO board.

https://www.politico.eu/article/bill-gates-who-most-powerful-doctor/ (https://www.politico.eu/article/bill-gates-who-most-powerful-doctor/)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on April 16, 2020, 08:38:14 AM
ON a typical day in NYC, 45-50 people die of various causes.
Right now, they are losing over 200 a day.  It's a HUGE spike in the mortality rate, and the vast majority of these people have symptoms that match COVID-19.  They don't have enough tests for the living, much less the dead, and because many of these people are dying at home where they may not be found for several days, there is no way to test them all.

Overall, I think it is statistically much more likely that the death toll is being undercounted than overcounted!   And the thing is, this has all happened in TWO MONTHS.  And the death tolls are still climbing - over 2400 the last two days alone.  This virus isn't going anywhere. I'm just hoping we find a vaccine, and find it FAST. I want to go back to work.  I hate teaching from home, I miss seeing my kids with a fierce ache, but if we reopen to soon we'll see the death toll spike higher and faster than any of us want.

Caution should be the order of the day.  Not panic, not hysteria, but caution, even to the point of excess.
Or we are going to see a LOT more people die.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on April 16, 2020, 10:18:12 PM
you are RIGHT,indy, the death count is way low according to the people i know in the medical community, because autopsies are rarely testing for covid19. and as for people with underlying issues being referred to as covid19 related if the person tested positive, THEY ARE . many people are dying because this disease debilitated their already compromised systems, and if they HADN'T been infected , they'd be alive now.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on April 17, 2020, 02:23:32 AM
Is it true that in the States staff who work in other departments in hospitals have been sacked since non-essential surgeries have been cancelled? If that is true surely these medical personal could be deployed in other more critical areas of health care?

Just curious. I am pretty sure if this is true that there would be plenty of other countries willing to give jobs to trained and qualified medical professionals right now.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on April 17, 2020, 07:44:23 AM
Is it true that in the States staff who work in other departments in hospitals have been sacked since non-essential surgeries have been cancelled? If that is true surely these medical personal could be deployed in other more critical areas of health care?

Just curious. I am pretty sure if this is true that there would be plenty of other countries willing to give jobs to trained and qualified medical professionals right now.

Some are. It's one of the downsides of privatized health care. In other areas, there are shortages of health care workers and they are begging folks to come out of retirement.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: claws on April 17, 2020, 03:00:12 PM
Finally somewhat good news here in Germany

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Where are people best protected from Covid-19? According to a new ranking, Germany is currently the second safest country (first: Israel)  in the world to be in during the coronavirus crisis.
Given its initially high infection rates, Germany has been extremely efficient and has successfully stopped the spread of the disease without reaching the level of other countries – this will give Germany considerable economic advantages after the pandemic.

This is far from over but after weeks of stress and scary news, positive news are more than welcomed. So far we only had one officially confirmed case of a young woman infected with the virus in our town four weeks ago. She's not quite over the hill yet but doing fine. Hopefully things will get better in other countries soon as well.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on April 17, 2020, 03:34:43 PM
one of my twin nieces is a CNA, she's now in a rapid fire training program to become an LPN, as well as doing her normal job,so she's doing 12 hour days , 6 days a week. and several of my ebay friends are retired nurses, 6 have gone back to work, the other 2 are on call. ALL of my active nurse friends are doing extra shifts, i worry so much about them...


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on April 17, 2020, 03:35:56 PM
glad to hear that claws, it's very encouraging!  :cheers:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on April 17, 2020, 04:30:54 PM
Finally somewhat good news here in Germany

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Where are people best protected from Covid-19? According to a new ranking, Germany is currently the second safest country (first: Israel)  in the world to be in during the coronavirus crisis.
Given its initially high infection rates, Germany has been extremely efficient and has successfully stopped the spread of the disease without reaching the level of other countries – this will give Germany considerable economic advantages after the pandemic.

This is far from over but after weeks of stress and scary news, positive news are more than welcomed. So far we only had one officially confirmed case of a young woman infected with the virus in our town four weeks ago. She's not quite over the hump yet but doing fine. Hopefully things will get better in other countries soon as well.

Yeah, I think Germany killed it with the testing.  :thumbup:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: WingedSerpent on April 17, 2020, 05:03:35 PM
That out of state trip I mentioned in an earlier post-  it was going to be to San Diego Comic Con.  They just announced it today that they are cancelling the 2020 event.  Not postponing-cancelling until 2021.  We'll get refunds for the tickets we bought, but it sucks.  I was really looking forward to going.  I've never been to California before, and it sounded like it was going to be a really great time. 


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on April 17, 2020, 05:46:50 PM
Damn, sorry to hear you are going to miss out on that one.

claws, I hope Germany continues to keep it under control and serve as an example of how to deal with something like this.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on April 19, 2020, 03:15:27 AM
you are RIGHT,indy, the death count is way low according to the people i know in the medical community, because autopsies are rarely testing for covid19. and as for people with underlying issues being referred to as covid19 related if the person tested positive, THEY ARE . many people are dying because this disease debilitated their already compromised systems, and if they HADN'T been infected , they'd be alive now.

And you're certain of this? Presumptions have no place in modern medicine. Why trust any doctor at all at that point?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on April 19, 2020, 07:08:42 AM
All the guidelines say is that if a person dies with all the symptoms of COVID-19 - which American doctors, especially in NY, have become all too familiar with - and no test is available, the attending physician may list Corona as the probable cause of death.  Doctors have always had this right.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 19, 2020, 04:28:38 PM
did anyone see that Texas and Florida are dumber than a box of rocks cause they reopened partly, with Florida opening their beaches because the governor has rocks for brains and doesn't care if anyone dies of this virus texas too and anyone who rushes out to the beach is a complete moron/idiot/F.idiot....etc..

instead of staying home any i dunno maybe surviving this crisis. i dunno why the people of Florida are in such a panic they haven't been in shut down that long compared to the rest of us. i wonder how long it's gonna be until those states are hot spots? but than we have a president who cares nothing for human life and only cares about money. i was watching a video where they are giving billions of money to their rich friends and it was a first for me cause it was making me so angry i shut the video off. those rich people are not suffering like the rest of us at all

i sound angry about the beaches and opening any of the states right now because of the fact that if they do that right now with millions of people now dead and dying. and than you have no doubt cases that aren't even being open and than i learned yesterday that they announced on Friday that they are letting anyone who isn't a doctor or in a job where you need to know if someone is sick the bosses in charge don't have to tell their worse if there are any infected if they don't choose too and the WHO was okay with this.

and it makes me mad because when we have that and cases where it's not reported but hid from nursing home and so forth. how the hell are we suppose to stop this  and get back to normal? at this rate we won't have lives again until 2030!  i'm glad that Germany was smart to be able to do that but here in america where they care more about money than people lives makes me ashamed to even be living here.

so in this post yeah it does anger me. man do we really need George Carlin right now


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on April 19, 2020, 05:14:33 PM
There is a joke going around just now where people are discussing Covid-19. It goes "What borders on stupidity?" Answer "Canada and Mexico." People in countries like India are saying that while they have it bad, they at least have the comfort of knowing they are not the US. On the other hand, Italy is saying that it messed up its response to the outbreak, but the UK hasn't looked at what Italy did wrong and is going to end up worse off. I've not checked out any domestic news articles for a few days though, so I have no real idea how bad it is (or isn't), over here.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 19, 2020, 06:45:42 PM
ya know as someone who was born here in the states if you want to crack on our country now i don't really mind because of the such poor leadership we currently have in Washington.  the stupidity factor seems to tip the scales more in the states most i think because of that. others on here may take offense on your remarks but i'm not one of them.

another reason why i went off is because i've been off work for nearly 40 days now and being cooped up is not only stressful it's just plain boring and not being able to be around people really gets to ya when i'm a people person and i always have been. the good thing about this and the only good thing really is that i'm not alone in feeling this way just like everyone on this board also feels that way no doubt. but when you have people weather they are suppose to be leaders  or just the general public not give a rat's ass for their own health and safety not just for them but for others as well.

it just makes me angry that all i want right now is things to go back to normal as  we all do here. but how can we do that if these morons are going to beaches and protesting staying at home making this thing even WORSE! maybe infecting others people as well and therefore we will be stuck inside even longer because of their stupidity. i mean it was bad enough with those morons who were on spring break but ya know what? those idiots at least came to their senses. that one young guy i dunno his name did apologize for not being at home.

than there was a story awhile back where one went home and his dad would not let him inside the house. one wonders what did happen to that kid?
there was a bad tornado here about a week ago and we got lucky and it didn't hit us THANK GOD!

but a lot of people lost their houses and their safety so they are now in a gym with a slew of people and that's the only place that the police and hospitals etc.. were able to find for them so that's not by choice. 

that's the exception ya know? i saw Josh Brolin apparently posted on instagram a picture of him with his kids. sorry for my bad spelling
and he wasn't hugging them but he visited them.

he got called out for it by fans and he was man enough to say you are all right i was an idiot and i wasn't thinking i wasn't being responsible at all.
he since took the picture down and i give him major respect for admitting that to everyone


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on April 19, 2020, 07:06:27 PM
you are RIGHT,indy, the death count is way low according to the people i know in the medical community, because autopsies are rarely testing for covid19. and as for people with underlying issues being referred to as covid19 related if the person tested positive, THEY ARE . many people are dying because this disease debilitated their already compromised systems, and if they HADN'T been infected , they'd be alive now.

And you're certain of this? Presumptions have no place in modern medicine. Why trust any doctor at all at that point?
  yes child, i AM certain. so are doctors AND governments world wide. and i'm SURE as hell going to trust a doctor over the douchebag maniac in the white house.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: VenomX73 on April 19, 2020, 07:06:33 PM
I'm still waiting for my paper stimulus check... I lost my 2nd job because of this nightmare...

I hope everything goes back to normal soon


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 19, 2020, 07:19:51 PM
me too but i sadly doubt it. i also concur i believe/trust any doctor than a politician especially anyone who's in Trump's court


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 19, 2020, 10:12:58 PM
it was just on the news but here in ohio they are being stupid as well and gonna start to do cut back on the restrictions uh what the hell are they thinking? it's just too soon for them to do this. i want to have things get back to normal just like everyone else but it's just to damn soon for them to do that


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on April 20, 2020, 02:41:34 AM
Blame China, for those of you that trust Yahoo News:

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It is understandable that many would be wary of the notion that the origin of the coronavirus could be discovered by some documentary filmmaker who used to live in China. Matthew Tye, who creates YouTube videos, contends he has identified the source of the coronavirus — and a great deal of the information that he presents, obtained from public records posted on the Internet, checks out.

The Wuhan Institute of Virology in China indeed posted a job opening on November 18, 2019, “asking for scientists to come research the relationship between the coronavirus and bats.”

https://news.yahoo.com/trail-leading-back-wuhan-labs-172025888.html (https://news.yahoo.com/trail-leading-back-wuhan-labs-172025888.html)





Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on April 20, 2020, 08:10:31 AM
Blame China, for those of you that trust Yahoo News:

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It is understandable that many would be wary of the notion that the origin of the coronavirus could be discovered by some documentary filmmaker who used to live in China. Matthew Tye, who creates YouTube videos, contends he has identified the source of the coronavirus — and a great deal of the information that he presents, obtained from public records posted on the Internet, checks out.

The Wuhan Institute of Virology in China indeed posted a job opening on November 18, 2019, “asking for scientists to come research the relationship between the coronavirus and bats.”

https://news.yahoo.com/trail-leading-back-wuhan-labs-172025888.html (https://news.yahoo.com/trail-leading-back-wuhan-labs-172025888.html)





If you want to play the blame game, I blame idiots like you for not taking this s**t serious here at home and blowing it off like it was something that's just going to magically "disappear".

Oh yeah, I forgot. Like your hero said- "It's all a hoax."


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 20, 2020, 02:01:22 PM
i know right and if we had a president who didn't spend more time on the golf course than we may not be going through this, i think it was Seth Myer who pointed out awhile ago that if you look at obama, or hell even Bush Jr, Clinton if you look at them before they stepped foot into office they looked younger and full of energy. than you look at them afterwords especially Obama who was a pretty young looking guy when his 2nd term ended and he looked like death warmed over him he was full of gray hair and looked 20 to 30 years older.

that's what a job like that does to you and you can tell those guys weather you like them or not actually did do their job even if you didn't like the job they did. than you look at trump and he looks the same and that's of course due to him never even being in the white house. but he must be going through withdrawl what with no golf.


hell even Obama when he took vacations he took the family with him.  with Trump......... need i say more?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on April 20, 2020, 03:37:29 PM
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Scientists are still investigating the origin of the coronavirus which has paralysed huge areas of the planet

Perhaps understandably, rumours have circulated that the virus might be man-made, but scientists have spoken out to explain why it's not true, Science Alert reports.

Specific features on the virus show that it's the product of natural evolution, according to experts - and some of the features could not actually be made in a lab.

Earlier this year, research published in Nature also concluded that it was not man made.

Nigel McMillan from the Menzies Health Institute Queensland told Science Alert, "All evidence so far points to the fact the Covid-19 virus is naturally derived and not man-made."

"No system exists in the lab to make some of the changes found."

McMillan also points out that some of the features of the virus would simply not make sense if it had been designed by human beings.

McMillan said "If you were going to design it in a lab the sequence changes make no sense as all previous evidence would tell you it would make the virus worse."

Rumours have also suggested that the virus may have originated in the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), but researchers also said that this story doesn't entirely fit.

Edward Holmes of the University of Sydney said that the amount of changes in the virus kept in the WIV lab suggests it's unlikely to be the source.

Holmes said, "The closest known relative of SARS-CoV-2 is a bat virus named RaTG13, which was kept at the WIV. There is some unfounded speculation that this virus was the origin of SARS-CoV-2."

"However, RaTG13 was sampled from a different province of China (Yunnan) to where Covid-19 first appeared and the level of genome sequence divergence between SARS-CoV-2 and RaTG13 is equivalent to an average of 50 years (and at least 20 years) of evolutionary change."

Research also suggests another scenario where the virus has been circulating undetected for some time, possibly years.

The researchers wrote: "It is possible that a progenitor of SARS-CoV-2 jumped into humans," and acquired new features "during undetected human-to-human transmission".

"Once acquired, these adaptations would enable the pandemic to take off and produce a sufficiently large cluster of cases to trigger the surveillance system that detected it."

Coronaviruses are zoonotic, meaning they are transmitted between animals and people, the World Health Organisation (WHO) says.

Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses that cause illnesses ranging from the common cold to more severe diseases such as Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (Sars).

The researchers suggest that it's possible the virus could have "jumped" into humans many times, writing: "Sufficient opportunity could have arisen if there had been many prior zoonotic events that produced short chains of human-to-human transmission over an extended period."

Earlier this month, scientists unravelled some of the secrets of the new coronavirus in a breakthrough which helps to explain its rapid spread - and could lead to new drugs to treat it.

Researchers from the University of Minnesota investigated the 'spike' protein on the surface of SARS-CoV-2 to understand why the virus spread so rapidly.

The work could lay the groundwork for drugs to block the novel coronavirus from attaching itself to, and infecting, human cells, the researchers believe.

The study was published in the journal Nature.

Professor Fang Li, said "In general, by learning what structural features of viral proteins are most important in establishing contact with human cells, we can design drugs that seek them out and block their activy ike jamming their radar."

"Our work can guide the development of monoclonal antibodies that would act like a drug to recognize and neutralize the receptor-binding part of the spike protein.


Can't help but think that Fang Li would be great bad guy name.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on April 20, 2020, 07:12:15 PM
you want rant? you got it. i have people telling me i should kill myself so THEY can go to work, since i'm high risk. GUESS WHAT? THEY'RE REPUBLICANS, LOUD AND PROUD!
  actually, they AREN'T. they're trumpkins, one and all. our friend indy, for example is an actual REPUBLICAN, from the party i knew as republicans before trump started destroying our country.
 


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on April 21, 2020, 07:39:21 PM
I am also techincally a republican btw. I registered to vote for Ron Paul in 08 primary and didn't feel a need to switch back and still don't.


talked to a nurse treating covid patients at the mass general ICU today. she said she has NOT noticed it getting better and doesn't feel we are plateuing or anything along those lines


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on April 21, 2020, 10:26:21 PM
2800 people died of COVID-19 today.  That's the deadliest single day toll yet.
20,000 have died in the last week.

Sorry, but I do think reopening is WAY premature just yet!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on April 22, 2020, 10:05:55 AM
WA state has ~ 7.5 million people.
We've tested only 145,000 of us so far (0.2%).  We are working on increasing testing capacity as is most everyone now.

12,282 confirmed cases, and thus far 682 deaths.   Only one in my county so far, which is amazing to me.

The Lieutenant governor of Texas was quoted as saying that "There are more important things than living, and that’s saving this country for my children and grandchildren and saving this country for all of us."     Which is quite an observation.  It's saving the country for all of us except for all of us who have died, I'd suppose?     It's almost as though some believe that no one can recover from financial ruin, and anyone can recover from death?

My state continues to keep everything locked down, and we're probably going to have the will to keep it that way until it's reasonable not to.  I expect that will be another 2 months but I don't really know, at this point.

I am so, so grateful that I, my family, my brothers and brothers in law, my mom, my nieces, my nephews, my coworkers, all are well.  No one close to me who is sick and in trouble.    Each morning, I thank Jesus that this is the case.   And then after that, I thank my colleagues.   And I thank the people who are delivering groceries, keeping the electricity flowing...

I am grateful too that we haven't heard of one of us badly ill... true?  Nothing I've seen.

Obligatory bad movie content:  my eldest daughter hasn't seen The Fifth Element.  Think will try to get her to watch that today or tomorrow.   Mult-eee-pass, you know?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on April 22, 2020, 04:16:02 PM
WA state has ~ 7.5 million people.
We've tested only 145,000 of us so far (0.2%).  We are working on increasing testing capacity as is most everyone now.

12,282 confirmed cases, and thus far 682 deaths.   Only one in my county so far, which is amazing to me.

The Lieutenant governor of Texas was quoted as saying that "There are more important things than living, and that’s saving this country for my children and grandchildren and saving this country for all of us."     Which is quite an observation.  It's saving the country for all of us except for all of us who have died, I'd suppose?     It's almost as though some believe that no one can recover from financial ruin, and anyone can recover from death?

My state continues to keep everything locked down, and we're probably going to have the will to keep it that way until it's reasonable not to.  I expect that will be another 2 months but I don't really know, at this point.

I am so, so grateful that I, my family, my brothers and brothers in law, my mom, my nieces, my nephews, my coworkers, all are well.  No one close to me who is sick and in trouble.    Each morning, I thank Jesus that this is the case.   And then after that, I thank my colleagues.   And I thank the people who are delivering groceries, keeping the electricity flowing...

I am grateful too that we haven't heard of one of us badly ill... true?  Nothing I've seen.

Obligatory bad movie content:  my eldest daughter hasn't seen The Fifth Element.  Think will try to get her to watch that today or tomorrow.   Mult-eee-pass, you know?


Our Lieutenant Governor has a habit of making idiotic statements like that.  I miss Bob Bullock!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: El Misfit on April 22, 2020, 04:21:46 PM
There should be a rule where politician hopefuls must go to grim museums to avoid comparing something mundane to something horrible, like the Holocaust. Yeah, an Idaho lawmaker said that.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/idaho-lawmaker-under-fire-comparing-state-coronavirus-response-nazi-germany-n1187651 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/idaho-lawmaker-under-fire-comparing-state-coronavirus-response-nazi-germany-n1187651)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 23, 2020, 02:11:57 AM
i dunno what to say to that to be honest. i was just looking at yahoo news and it as about that mayor from Vegas who wants to reopen it and i'm sure you all heard about it where  Anderson Cooper apparently went how about you walk the floor with these employers ? and funny enough and amazing thing happened she never answered him...  than i guess the mayor of Nevada said uh no that's not happening when workers i guess complained to him about it he further said

that i'm not about to reopen and to pretty much sum it up have workers get sick and have to chose between a paycheck or the lives. he's going by Science is telling him which is smart. someone on twitter apparently said now i know why the mayor of Jaws got a second term and i could not agree more.

and i don't even Live in Vegas nor have i ever even been there for that matter!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on April 23, 2020, 08:36:17 AM


 ^I was thinking of JAWS as well.  :bluesad:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on April 23, 2020, 09:57:29 PM
The mayor of Las Vegas is Carolyn Goodman. 

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/las-vegas-mayor-gives-wild-195711383.html
 (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/las-vegas-mayor-gives-wild-195711383.html)


On other news: "Inject disinfectant!"

“And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you could do either through the skin or in some other way. I think you said that you are going to test that, too. And then I saw the disinfectant, where knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way we could do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning. As you see it gets in the lungs, it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that.” 

 :buggedout: :question: :lookingup:  :bluesad:  :thumbdown: :hatred:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on April 24, 2020, 02:58:31 AM
Who the hell said that one? The language level sounds like trump but surely even he isn't that much of a f**ktard?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on April 24, 2020, 09:30:17 AM
Who the hell said that one? The language level sounds like trump but surely even he isn't that much of a f**ktard?


He isn't joking, Alex.   Trump is *exactly* that much of a f**ktard.

C'mon everyone, sing along if you know the words!   

I'm so bored I'm drinking BLEACH.
I'm so BORED I'm DRINKIN BLEACH.

http://youtu.be/QtgVxGkrX1Y (http://youtu.be/QtgVxGkrX1Y)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on April 24, 2020, 10:19:25 AM
That people continue to support him shows everything that is wrong with democracy...

Who is worse though I wonder, the idiot who leads or those who follow?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on April 24, 2020, 10:22:36 AM
 
The mayor of Las Vegas is Carolyn Goodman.  

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/las-vegas-mayor-gives-wild-195711383.html
 (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/las-vegas-mayor-gives-wild-195711383.html)


On other news: "Inject disinfectant!"

“And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you could do either through the skin or in some other way. I think you said that you are going to test that, too. And then I saw the disinfectant, where knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way we could do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning. As you see it gets in the lungs, it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that.”  

 :buggedout: :question: :lookingup:  :bluesad:  :thumbdown: :hatred:

I don't know if I should laugh or cry.

(https://i.imgur.com/7CsodYq.gif) (https://lunapic.com)

That people continue to support him shows everything that is wrong with democracy...

Who is worse though I wonder, the idiot who leads or those who follow?

(https://i.imgur.com/YqqOt5h.gif) (https://lunapic.com)



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on April 24, 2020, 10:53:57 AM
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/bbshzgyFQDqPHXBo4c/giphy.webp?cid=ecf05e477bd25f168165ed69f0d01fde2935725d66af416e&rid=giphy.webp) 

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/5ndj4qP7OkNqvHOQ8T/200w.webp?cid=ecf05e47f7765caa1ed7c5f5ea07849bcda2e6262b075fe1&rid=200w.webp)

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Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: El Misfit on April 24, 2020, 11:05:11 AM
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/93822162_553415392031888_5634466921588981760_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_oc=AQl14vv4gnmJ15O9bKz5nshYYWXSZSmOHKKq0k6ntH0ba35rNY7OkmiD24nR9JEtiPE&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=087ab699d5e3370d0e16dcbc2c75d307&oe=5EC9DEC0)
Clean house peeps.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on April 24, 2020, 12:35:13 PM
Bleach makes a refreshing mouthwash.  Drink it and it cures EVERYTHING.

(https://pics.awwmemes.com/whitehouse-realdonaldtrump-trump-said-eat-it%E2%80%99s-ok-teamtrump-donaldjtrumpjr-72360647.png)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 24, 2020, 02:41:11 PM
i love ICP but i get why some can't them, but i also don' take their stuff serious at all cause they don't write stuff that really gets you thinking anyways.

anyways, i was talking to my mom today and she says to me did you see that he now wants people to inject lysel into them? she says to me i didn't think he was that stupid i said YES he is. my dad apparently got upset about that and he rarely gets worked up.. i will never understand why we have those idiots who

support him at all he's a fuxing Sociopath  that cares nothing about human life except his own


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on April 24, 2020, 02:44:56 PM
He now says he was being sarcastic - but honestly, I think he is just that stupid.

Now FB is full of people pointing out that there are surgical disinfectants that can be used internally, and that the learned medical expert President Trump was doubtless referring to a safe and commonly practiced medical procedure . . .


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: El Misfit on April 24, 2020, 03:38:16 PM
He now says he was being sarcastic - but honestly, I think he is just that stupid.

Now FB is full of people pointing out that there are surgical disinfectants that can be used internally, and that the learned medical expert President Trump was doubtless referring to a safe and commonly practiced medical procedure . . .
He cares too much about being right that he'll double down and say that he wasn't being serious when called out on stuff like that. He really is that out of touch with reality.
(https://i.imgur.com/4jSTHtS.gif)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 24, 2020, 09:34:11 PM
to me that sounds like an excuse no he just really is that stupid and it's him refusing at all to admit he said this or that in short taking responsibility for anything he said or did.  he's never done that his entire life because he's always gotten away with everything he's ever done even when he breaks the law or kills millions of people because he didn't listen at all on how it this virus was coming to the states he took no precaution at all and did nothing to stop it, the only reason he wants to open anything at all is because he's losing money from his resorts that's the only reason at all


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on April 24, 2020, 11:33:11 PM
my husband has to go back to work on monday because his employer got the PPP LOAN. and no offense to the youngers here, but he works with young idiots. in all honesty, i'm terrified for him, and for me. i'm not dealing with this well yet, i'm not sure i ever will. i wish they had let HIM stay laid off,since he has heart issues. i'm really TRULY scared for the first time since this started. i've already lost 3 friends, i CAN'T lose my husband, and he can't lose me. i can't even think right now....


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: claws on April 25, 2020, 12:29:38 AM
He now says he was being sarcastic - but honestly, I think he is just that stupid.

Now FB is full of people pointing out that there are surgical disinfectants that can be used internally, and that the learned medical expert President Trump was doubtless referring to a safe and commonly practiced medical procedure . . .

I’m beginning to think Trump is actually Tilda Swinton in disguise.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on April 25, 2020, 02:01:02 AM
my husband has to go back to work on monday because his employer got the PPP LOAN. and no offense to the youngers here, but he works with young idiots. in all honesty, i'm terrified for him, and for me. i'm not dealing with this well yet, i'm not sure i ever will. i wish they had let HIM stay laid off,since he has heart issues. i'm really TRULY scared for the first time since this started. i've already lost 3 friends, i CAN'T lose my husband, and he can't lose me. i can't even think right now....

Sweetie, I'm afraid too. I think most of us are afraid. Chin up, old bean! We'll get threw this. :thumbup:
I have a really bad heart condition as well. Some days I can't even walk out to the mail box without my nitros. It's that bad. Don't let fear control you. We're gonna be OK.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 25, 2020, 04:57:45 AM
 3 friends really? WOW  that sucks we have are pulling that everything  will get better sooner or later not only for you but for everyone


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on April 25, 2020, 09:16:43 AM
my husband has to go back to work on monday because his employer got the PPP LOAN. and no offense to the youngers here, but he works with young idiots. in all honesty, i'm terrified for him, and for me. i'm not dealing with this well yet, i'm not sure i ever will. i wish they had let HIM stay laid off,since he has heart issues. i'm really TRULY scared for the first time since this started. i've already lost 3 friends, i CAN'T lose my husband, and he can't lose me. i can't even think right now....

Chances of you or your husband being hospitalized are super-low. Most people who get infected never even know, it or have only mild symptoms. Observe all the precautions, don't go out unless you have to, wear a mask when you can, wash your hands. You're going to be fine. Anxiety is probably worse for your health right now than viruses are.  :cheers:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zombie no.one on April 26, 2020, 04:30:46 AM
Chances of you or your husband being hospitalized are super-low. Most people who get infected never even know, it or have only mild symptoms.
yeah it's strange how it's caused the world to stop...

the government practically fell over itself to give me 3 months' worth of pay, on the sole condition that I don't do any work...and it's actually that, above all other paranoid tin-foil-hat-wearing basement-dwelling conspiracy theories being cooked up, which tells me something fishy might be going on... :twirl:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on April 26, 2020, 09:48:25 AM
I wonder how many 'pro-lifers' are against social distancing. Just a random curiosity.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on April 26, 2020, 07:21:42 PM
thanks for the back up,guys. i'm trying to stay positive so HE doesn't have panic attacks. i love you for being encouraging!
  alex, i must admit to having used taunting to destress, with a few prolife family members who had the nerve to go to topeka carrying signs that said" my body, my choice".that helped.  :cheers:
  * i'm quite happy that i'll never see/hear from them again, didn't like them anyway, lol! my" daughter" went to town on them, it was a riot! *


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 26, 2020, 09:21:08 PM
that's what we are here for, you are more than welcome to vent on here if that helps ya any at all. 


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on April 28, 2020, 03:04:31 PM
thank you penny, and all of you. we found out that he won't be in the warehouse the whole time( with the idiots not wearing masks), and his deliveries will all be contactless, NO CODs, that's a HUGE relief. his runs also don't involve too many big towns and most of those counties/towns don't have many, or in some cases no, infections.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on April 28, 2020, 03:12:57 PM
Trump Questions Whether U.S. Should Aid ‘Democrat’ States 

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trump-questions-whether-u-aid-151713276.html (https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trump-questions-whether-u-aid-151713276.html) 

(Bloomberg) -- President Donald Trump questioned whether the federal government should provide financial assistance to “poorly run” states led by Democrats on Monday, again framing the U.S. response to the coronavirus outbreak in partisan terms...

...Earlier in the day, Trump told his more than 78 million Twitter followers that they should blame Democrats for delays in receiving unemployment assistance. Florida, a state that is crucial to his re-election, has been particularly beset by such delays, the New York Times reported last week. The state has a Republican governor, Ron DeSantis. 


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 29, 2020, 12:31:38 AM
how about Washington? not that i want everyone to die there of the virus i don't, but that's  a state that's so poorly run that it hurts the rest of the country.


also that's murder just plain murder for him not to give aid to those states if he doesn't that's how i look at it anyways, it should not matter who the people in the state vote for or rather which party. they are still human being's for god's sake. also i'm glad to hear your hubby won't be around the idiots who aren't doing anything to stay safe at all!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on April 29, 2020, 09:44:47 AM
Globally, the number of new infections has plateaued. Our governor believes the number of in-state infections have plateaued too, and we're set to start reopening the economy in phases beginning May 11. Fingers crossed, there's light at the end of the tunnel!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Bushma on April 29, 2020, 10:01:29 AM
Just found out that I have to go back into work on Monday.  Of course it's "optional" and if I have any objections I need to email my manager to get her know.  I've been with this manager long enough to know that if I do have any objections they will be held against me when it's time for my yearly review and when I start looking for another position.  My daughter is diabetic, and it's always rough on her when she gets sick.  I'm worried about being exposed to this and bringing it home, but not much I can do about it.  I think it's just the executives that are anxious to get back to the office and are using the "optional" as an excuse.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 29, 2020, 02:11:25 PM
i think you are right, that boss of your's i really doubt really gives a damn about anything but making money and not if their workers are gonna get infected or not.


i dunno how those type of people can live with themselves.  here in ohio they are talking about opening some of it too, i get that this country is going broke but it still feels too soon to be talking about opening it up, all it's gonna do i think is give us another wave this time worse and i do think like they are talking about

of having a worse wave than we had this time around. though they are talking about later this year i don't think it's gonna be later this year but soon and the sooner it happens and hopefully better we can at some point open everything. but that's not for a long time i don't think, not in May anyways. maybe June or July.



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on April 29, 2020, 02:21:22 PM
^ Yeah. June or July would be smart. Will it happen? f**k no.  :bluesad:

(https://i.imgur.com/1V3bLHI.jpg) (https://lunapic.com)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 01, 2020, 02:18:36 PM
Florida curtails reporting of coronavirus death numbers by county medical examiners 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-curtails-reporting-of-coronavirus-death-numbers-by-county-medical-examiners-173503327.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-curtails-reporting-of-coronavirus-death-numbers-by-county-medical-examiners-173503327.html) 

Florida health officials have halted the publication of up-to-the-minute death statistics related to the coronavirus pandemic that have, by law, been compiled by medical examiners in the state.

The death count compiled by the Medical Examiners Commission was often found to be higher than the figures provided by Florida’s Department of Health, the Tampa Bay Times reported, prompting a review of the data and a suspension of its publication.

State officials have not specified what they find objectionable about the medical examiners’ count, nor when they might allow it to be made public again, the Times said.

According to the state Department of Health, 34,728 people have tested positive for COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, and 1,337 people have died from it, as of Friday morning... 


https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-curtails-reporting-of-coronavirus-death-numbers-by-county-medical-examiners-173503327.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-curtails-reporting-of-coronavirus-death-numbers-by-county-medical-examiners-173503327.html) 


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: El Misfit on May 01, 2020, 02:24:56 PM
^I believe China did the same thing to try to fool everyone.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 03, 2020, 12:53:58 AM
did anyone see that those idiots who went into the court house on Thursday with guns a blazing demanding their constitutional  rights etc... and than the judge said to use my words listen fx's  to keep it clean ya know?  the mayor i think it was? or was it the governer? i forget is within their rights and is following the law.

now i want things to get back to normal too but it just makes me really p**sed off cause us on here know that if we stay inside for those who aren't forced to go to work that is we stay home unless we need to out of course. we try and stay safe in short... anyways yet those morons i know i've said this before are just to stupid to realize that if they go out and protest....

i realize there are a lot of angry people out there and some of them i can't say that i blame them but going out in public in crowds and so forth and going to beaches etc... is just making the lockdown even longer than they want it to be! how can any of those idiots not see that?



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on May 03, 2020, 04:49:18 AM
I wonder what percentage of a countries population has to follow lockdown rules in order for it to be effective?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 05, 2020, 04:30:08 AM
that is a good question and i wish i knew the answer


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on May 05, 2020, 07:56:24 AM
I would estimate we have over 90% compliance in my state and we are doing fine. Only a little over 5000 confirmed cases in a population of 4.4 million, with "only" 261 deaths. We're doing better than most states. We started lockdown earlier and are reopening later, had more restrictions than many.

Any compliance would be helpful in reducing the total number of opportunities for transmission. 100% compliance is certainly not necessary (or possible).


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 05, 2020, 09:40:28 AM
California i saw i think it was last night or yesterday i forget which, i'm a night owl and was up a 3 am so when i say last night it could have been 3 am or 3 pm for all i know it's 10:33 am now.  anyways they are apparently going in Phase 2 in opening up hell Disney world/land are gonna be opening it up soon too

they say oh you will wear masks etc.. but honestly it's just too soon we haven't seen the spike yet and we all know that the next batch of the virus much like the one from (1918)  from what i hear the 1st hit of that virus was 3.5 million or something like that the 2nd one that hit was double that or was it tripled ? i forget which or what the number actually was. i get that the country is dying with stuff closed and some stores you have to make an appointment that's not a bad idea
but to open a place like Disney world/land it's just not a good idea yet. it feels too soon too go into what they are calling phase 2 at least to me anyways.

i'm no doctor at all but with all these idiots going out and protesting i just have a feeling that the next out break won't be this fall or winter like they say it will be much sooner than that i say by June if things continue the way they are with all these places opening up. our drug mart there was a sign i saw last week when i was there 130 people are allowed in the store, that number was way to damn high i think. there wasn't that many there when we were there to be honest.

but ya know it would help if we had a leader who actually knew how to damn lead instead of lying to us but apparently we can't have that either


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on May 06, 2020, 12:33:06 AM
The DrumpfhenFuhrer has already moved on to something else that is more interesting.   Which is fine, he wasn't doing anything useful anyway.  Absence of his harmful rhetoric on this specific topic might be nice.  But he'll find ways to do harm in some other way, anyway.    Seriously.   Fuuuuu--uuuuuuuu--uuuuuuuck that guy and his cronies.

We're at 7.6 million people, 15,600 cases, 862 deaths, and our numbers are flattening and falling off looks like.   We're not overwhelmed.   My governor already has basically told 45 to go f**k himself, so I know the gov will keep our state on track doing what's best for the people.    I wish all states in the States were so lucky.

It's definitely too soon to count any kind of victory, but for where we are right now I'm glad.

I hope all y'all are staying safe and, well, something resembling sane.   :hot:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on May 06, 2020, 03:50:33 PM
Hmm... I've just been offered the opportunity to enroll in a COVID-19 vaccine trial (doesn't mean I'd get poked with a needle, I was just sent the application). I'll consider it. It would be a unique way to do my part.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on May 06, 2020, 09:03:42 PM
Something I posted on FB earlier today:

So let me get this straight - Bill Gates paid the Chinese to manufacture a virus and release it on their own people first so he could pay Dr. Fauci to advise Trump to shut down the country after first dismissing the whole thing as a hoax, so that the Democrats could win the election next fall, and the whole world played along with it - all so that Gates could complete the work of American Nazi Henry Ford and force us all to get vaccinations which would make us autistic, and plant us with tracking chips so that the Illuminati could then use "murder hornets" to wipe out a third of humanity, while spreading the virus with 5G towers all over the planet?

Or did I leave out the space aliens?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on May 06, 2020, 09:13:57 PM
Something I posted on FB earlier today:

So let me get this straight - Bill Gates paid the Chinese to manufacture a virus and release it on their own people first so he could pay Dr. Fauci to advise Trump to shut down the country after first dismissing the whole thing as a hoax, so that the Democrats could win the election next fall, and the whole world played along with it - all so that Gates could complete the work of American Nazi Henry Ford and force us all to get vaccinations which would make us autistic, and plant us with tracking chips so that the Illuminati could then use "murder hornets" to wipe out a third of humanity, while spreading the virus with 5G towers all over the planet?

Or did I leave out the space aliens?

Space aliens? Don't be ridiculous! This is clearly the work of the lizard people.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zombie no.one on May 07, 2020, 02:07:57 AM
the trurururururuth is out there....


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 07, 2020, 02:36:05 AM
it sounds bonkers when you put it like that lol am i the only one who thinks of those stupid ass  rags that normally say  a real life UFO was spotted yesterday coming out of the local outhouse a reliable source says.  the source also said it came out of the bottom of the toilet

i would not be surprised if people believed that and i just made that up off the top of my head


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on May 07, 2020, 04:19:59 PM
lol, penny and indy, y'all should be writing for the weekly world news! their website needs to be fun again!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 07, 2020, 05:29:13 PM
i know right it's just sad just plain sad how people want to believe anything but what is actually going on and how poorly it's being handled by the idiots in washington


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on May 07, 2020, 05:38:48 PM
and now i just read that the trump administration has forced the CDC to shelve their 19 pages of recommendations on how to reopen safely. way to go, cheeto, kill off thousands more of my fellow citizens. and remember, come november, we KNOW that much of their blood is solely on YOUR hands.  :hatred:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on May 07, 2020, 05:43:38 PM
and now i just read that the trump administration has forced the CDC to shelve their 19 pages of recommendations on how to reopen safely. way to go, cheeto, kill off thousands more of my fellow citizens. and remember, come november, we KNOW that much of their blood is solely on YOUR hands.  :hatred:

The problem is not Trump. The problem is we have fellow Americans who think his word is gospel, and even if he loses the election, the reason he got elected is still here.
This country is so split. But it ain't the first time- it won't be the last. 
But It will be OK!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Jim H on May 07, 2020, 06:09:12 PM
Something I posted on FB earlier today:

So let me get this straight - Bill Gates paid the Chinese to manufacture a virus and release it on their own people first so he could pay Dr. Fauci to advise Trump to shut down the country after first dismissing the whole thing as a hoax, so that the Democrats could win the election next fall, and the whole world played along with it - all so that Gates could complete the work of American Nazi Henry Ford and force us all to get vaccinations which would make us autistic, and plant us with tracking chips so that the Illuminati could then use "murder hornets" to wipe out a third of humanity, while spreading the virus with 5G towers all over the planet?

Or did I leave out the space aliens?

I have a cousin who believes all of this, kind of amazing how spot on this is (except the hornets I guess).  She also thinks Obama and Bill Gates rape and eat babies, and sacrifice them in Satanic rituals.  So much of it doesn't fit together in a coherent way it's completely baffling to me. 

She also thinks Trump is a hero who will soon crush the pedophile rings all over the world.  Never mind that QAnon has been saying that garbage for 4 years now, and nearly 100% of his predictions have been 100% wrong.

Also, my cousin has long been a bit of a nutter, but she's case-in-point of social media infecting your brain.  She got locked into circles of people feeding off this crap, and it absolutely made her mind worse and worse over years of exposure.  Anyone who tries to point out issues or problems she cuts off, so it's an inescapable loop.

Even worse, she has a young child, who I feel horrible for.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on May 07, 2020, 06:16:18 PM
All it took was a global pandemic for us to see the return of 2 oldtimers in one day.  :cheers: to Jim H!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Jim H on May 07, 2020, 11:32:11 PM
All it took was a global pandemic for us to see the return of 2 oldtimers in one day.  :cheers: to Jim H!

Cheers Rev!   :cheers:

I never forget about this place, even if I'm not super active.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Trevor on May 07, 2020, 11:40:16 PM
I wonder what percentage of a countries population has to follow lockdown rules in order for it to be effective?

South Africa got locked down at the end of March and while people accepted it at first, the backlash is growing.

Some of the more stupid rules:

1. No alcohol sales.
2. No cigarette sales.
3. All hairdressers, barbers etc closed.
4. Dusk to dawn curfew.
5. No cinemas open.
6. Fast food and restaurants closed.

Whoopee: reminds me of South Africa in the apartheid years.  :hatred:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: claws on May 07, 2020, 11:46:12 PM

2. No cigarette sales.


That sucks I guess. A French doc said among the people who died of the virus he performed autopsies on only very few where smokers. He assumed nikotin in the body of smokers killed off the virus.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 08, 2020, 05:52:31 AM
no booze how odd we bought booze here in ohio, i even have a glass sometimes before bed to help me sleep but not every night.  no smokes?

that's not a bad idea but than i don't smoke anyways. really no fast food? we have it but it's all drive thru here but we can't sit down in them or in any restaurants

which i'm okay with, but than you have the idiots who run Texas, Georgia, Florida and even here in ohio well in ohio i think they were slowly open stuff back up  but honestly it's just too soon, i get that the country is going broke and some stuff i think can maybe open or stay open but places where a lot of people like Church or Ceder Point/ disney world/land should not be open at all just yet. Florida/texas i think already are i think having their numbers rise already.

i do think that if they open all the way we will have more people die cause this country just isn't ready to do that just yet. if some places need to open that's one thing but than you have those morons in Texas who are opening restaurants where they don't want their staff to wear masks and they say if you wear them you don't have a job. it doesn't fit the look of the company uh so what? those are the sit down ones though that should NOT be open at all.  not yet anyways.

but they don't care at all. it's sad how in america no one in this country seems to care if people live or die. i don't mean anyone here of course, i mean the idiots in Washington/florida/texas  who are running those states they care more about money than if people die and that's just messed up.

i get they don't want to go broke, but the small business i get but the rich mofo's  who put money before their workers well... need i say what i think of them?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on May 08, 2020, 07:45:29 AM
I wonder what percentage of a countries population has to follow lockdown rules in order for it to be effective?

South Africa got locked down at the end of March and while people accepted it at first, the backlash is growing.

Some of the more stupid rules:

1. No alcohol sales.
2. No cigarette sales.
3. All hairdressers, barbers etc closed.
4. Dusk to dawn curfew.
5. No cinemas open.
6. Fast food and restaurants closed.

Whoopee: reminds me of South Africa in the apartheid years.  :hatred:


We have alcohol and cigarette sales. They're necessary because people are addicted.

No barbers or cinemas. Restaurants are open for carry out only.

No curfews here. People wouldn't stand for it.

I agree, your restrictions are unreasonably severe.

In our state restaurants are allowed to reopen May 22 at 1/3 capacity; barbers and salons May 25; movie theaters June 1 (at reduced capacity).
 


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on May 08, 2020, 11:21:23 AM
All it took was a global pandemic for us to see the return of 2 oldtimers in one day.  :cheers: to Jim H!

And earlier today- Doc Daneeka and Andrew all stopped in to say their farewells to Raffine.
 


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on May 08, 2020, 02:36:18 PM
Something else to watch out for.


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Hives, bumps, blotches and toe discolouration ― as doctors learn more about the coronavirus, reports are beginning to emerge that Covid-19-positive patients sometimes experience different kinds of rashes on their bodies.

It turns out that "Covid toes" are indeed a thing, but they're not the only skin symptom you may experience if you're carrying the virus, and rashes may appear even after your infection has cleared.

James Bradley, a board-certified plastic surgeon at Northwell Health, has been working directly with hospitalized Covid-positive patients. He has seen a wide range of skin symptoms firsthand, usually in one area of the body.

"We have seen almost a hive-like rash on the trunk, and I did see one 6-year-old who had it around the belly button and back areas," he said.

"It's pinkish, raised and itchy. I've seen other patients that it's more like an eruption of small red bumps, which we've seen mostly in patients who are admitted with more serious infections going on. It's hard for us to know if this is a viral manifestation or an immune response."

Harold Lancer, a board-certified dermatologist, said there are a variety of potential skin issues to look out for.

"Skin findings in patients with Covid-19 can be extraordinarily diverse," he told HuffPost. "Hive-like rashes, itchy or not, are the most common. Blotchy, red, migrating spots have also been noted along with areas that look like inflamed eczema, seborrheic dermatitis or perioral dermatitis."

Doctors think Covid toes — when there are red blotches on or even a hypothermia-like appearance of the toes — may be a result of the virus causing inflammation of blood vessels. Fingers and toes have the tiniest vessels, and are therefore more at risk.

"A lot of the skin manifestations we see are representative of what's going on internally with the organs, and fingers and toes relate to thrombosis and the damage to the inside of blood vessels," Bradley said.

"When you get blueish and reddish toes, it's either thrombosis or damage to the vessels."

Of course, Covid-19 is not the first virus to cause a rash — think chickenpox, measles, and hand, foot and mouth disease. But unlike these viral illnesses, not every person who is infected with Covid-19 will develop a telltale sign on their skin.

"There are papers coming out of Italy and China suggesting 2% to 20% have skin symptoms," said Jessica Cataldi, a board-certified infectious disease specialist at Children's Hospital Colorado.

"It's not the primary symptom for most people; the majority of people with Covid won't have a rash."

Reports in early May stated that children were experiencing rashes too, part of a new issue facing medical professionals: children seemingly developing Kawasaki disease, which causes inflammation in the blood vessels and a rash, during or after a Covid infection.

"In the skin, inflammation of the blood vessels can appear as excessive pink-red coloration all the way down to a paler, blanched look,"

Lancer said of the Covid-related symptoms doctors have seen in children lately.

"Nonetheless, it is a blood vessel inflammation and perhaps nerve inflammation. It is unknown if children are more likely to experience skin rashes than adults."

Although all of these observations require further research, doctors agree that a Covid-related rash could pop up on someone who isn't having any other symptoms. Whether that means their body wasn't very affected by the virus, or whether it means it has already passed through, depends on the individual.

There was a paper out of Spain published with over 300 patients, and in patients with lesions on the fingers or toes, less than half of them actually tested positive for Covid, whereas some of the other rashes I mentioned, a lot of those were testing positive," Cataldi said.

"What we're wondering is for the toe findings, is that something that happens after the body has helped clear the virus and your body is responding? Especially with Covid toes, those seem to happen in people who may not have many other symptoms at all."

"We have seen patients with just a rash and malaise who test positive for Covid. It could be one of the symptoms when you don't have others," Bradley explained.

If you see a rash or skin change developing that is unusual for you, Cataldi said it's worth calling your doctor. A medical professional can advise on the best over-the-counter treatment or determine if you should make time to get tested for the coronavirus.

"If it's new, different or something you haven't experienced before, you should absolutely call your doctor and ask what they think," she said.

"A lot of doctors are doing tele-health right now and should be able to take a look at it. Think back, are there any new medicines you've been taking, or any new lotions or things you've been putting on you skin lately? You can call your doctor and have them look at that rash, and the best way to figure out if it's Covid is to get tested."

Experts are still learning about the novel coronavirus. The information in this story is what was known or available as of press time, but it's possible guidance around Covid-19 could change as scientists discover more about the virus.

Please check the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for the most updated recommendations.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 08, 2020, 08:12:24 PM
may 21st apparently here in ohio they want to start opening stuff for people to go inside and the answer is yes they are THAT stupid


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: El Misfit on May 08, 2020, 11:38:14 PM
Alcohol and cigarette sales were always open here, no cinemas/barber shops were open, curfew varies here, restaurants are open for carry out.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Andrew on May 09, 2020, 02:50:56 PM
All it took was a global pandemic for us to see the return of 2 oldtimers in one day.  :cheers: to Jim H!

And earlier today- Doc Daneeka and Andrew all stopped in to say their farewells to Raffine.
 


I have normally just browsed through and not posted anything.  I was very sad to see that Raffine had passed on.  I know that a lot of us are getting to that 50/60 age group where mortality starts to become a lot more common.  I had been used to losing people in some situations, but being to the age where friends and peers pass due the fact that we are just older and more likely to pass on is harder to accept.

My sister and brother in law both have had Covid-19 so far.  It got her a lot worse.  She had a body rash and said her skin felt like a sunburn - so bad it was hard to sleep even.  My house has been on lockdown due to Delaware rules, with me working from home, the kids doing school from home (and Boy Scouts, Band, and sports all absent), and Katie's hours cut at work. 



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on May 09, 2020, 04:06:30 PM
Sorry to hear about your family.  :bluesad:

But I am happy your posting again!  :thumbup:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 09, 2020, 04:20:41 PM
All it took was a global pandemic for us to see the return of 2 oldtimers in one day.  :cheers: to Jim H!
Cheers Rev!   :cheers:

I never forget about this place, even if I'm not super active.

Great to see you Jim H


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 09, 2020, 05:20:31 PM
it just makes me laugh that we have booze and smokes those things aren't essential to have i'm sorry they aren't. i love a good drink as much as the next guy but they aren't something that is in dire need compared to well food for example.  i tried smoking once while drunk it was nasty and i never tried it again i prolly save myself a crap ton of money that way too. 


anyways, yeah i'm 41 and i wish i could turn back the clock as well my brother is 46 now and though i turn 42 in a few months i wish i was 22 again man do i wish i could change just so much.  anyways, it's just unreal cause i can remember when my brother was 15! and i'm sure all of you can relate to that too regardless how old many of you now are.  anyways, i see Little Richard Died and honestly i had no idea the man was even still alive to begin with i thought he had already died but apparently it was from Cancer. he was i think 81 or 87 i forget which, growing up i saw him on tv all the time i barely have seen him in the past decade so one tends to forget when some famous people are even still alive ya know? it's really sad i think i've said this before when i'm relieved it was cancer and not the virus

and in what period of any other time would anyone, anyone for that matter be relieved that someone died of cancer? how messed up is that?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pacman000 on May 09, 2020, 07:26:44 PM
Most of the folks who want the world reopened are not unconcerned by death; they're just concerned about the long-term FX of a shut down.

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpvm8ZKfKh0#)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on May 09, 2020, 07:45:38 PM
^ Well, were all worried about making ends meet. But If I was those folks who reopen too soon and folks start dropping like flies, and loose ALL business, I would worry.
As far as that video goes- most of the folks who stand outside with guns are not going into it that deep. For most- it's all 'us or them' paranoia.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pacman000 on May 10, 2020, 06:49:45 AM
The video does go into more depth than most people do, but it's still an  accurate representation of their fears. It's not hard for someone to see that their landlord can't let them out of rent because he owes the bank; it's not hard to see the bank can't let the landlord off because they owe their depositors.
Everyone is connected; remove enough people for too long & everything collapses.

To say the protestors are merely basing their complaints on us vs. them fear mongering is inaccurate stereotyping. It shows a lack of understanding or caring. There is an us vs. them mentality, but why did it develop? People are being put in a position where they could loose everything they've worked their whole lives to build.

What is worse? A 10% chance of death or a 90% chance of ruin with no obvious means of recovery? I cannot answer that, but I can see that even the shut downs cause harm, & I can say the protestors have a right to speak without being dismissed as idiots.

https://www.keranews.org/post/were-bottom-rung-ladder-covid-19s-impact-john-wiley-prices-district (https://www.keranews.org/post/were-bottom-rung-ladder-covid-19s-impact-john-wiley-prices-district)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/04/21/behind-protests-two-americas-one-unemployed-and-one-gets-paychecks-column/5167453002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/04/21/behind-protests-two-americas-one-unemployed-and-one-gets-paychecks-column/5167453002/)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on May 10, 2020, 08:30:54 AM
^ I agree- they deserve to be heard. But why with guns? If a bunch of blacks protested in Lansing with guns, you know the s**t would hit the fan.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on May 10, 2020, 08:58:16 AM
^ I agree- they deserve to be heard. But why with guns? If a bunch of blacks protested in Lansing with guns, you know the s**t would hit the fan.

The guns make them look less like serious protestors and more like troublemaking rabble-rousers looking for an excuse to make trouble and flex their weaponry.

There are serious points to that can be made, but some of these people can be frightening in ways they don't intend, ways that make their message backfire.

Even going out to the protests without wearing masks, agitating for the right to get a haircut, suggests they don't understand the issue and think it's all fake.

Legitimate dissent is fine, but many of these people are going about it the wrong way.

(https://images.csmonitor.com/csm/2020/05/0504-CORONAVIRUS_USA-MICHIGAN.jpg?alias=standard_900x600nc)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on May 10, 2020, 10:13:42 AM
Oh, look! It's Travis Bickle!  :buggedout: ^
 (https://i.imgur.com/Ipw9frP.jpg) (https://lunapic.com)



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pacman000 on May 10, 2020, 10:20:20 AM
I agree; a protest shouldn't have folks toting guns.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on May 10, 2020, 10:30:23 AM
Both sides of the political spectrum are out of work and may loss everything. Both are also dying.
If things reopen too soon, more folks will die, businesses will close up again, and it will start all over. And then we will be back where we were on day one.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on May 10, 2020, 12:55:37 PM
Both sides of the political spectrum are out of work and may loss everything. Both are also dying.
If things reopen too soon, more folks will die, businesses will close up again, and it will start all over. And then we will be back where we were on day one.

And yet, If things don't reopen soon, more folks will die, more businesses will close up permanently, and it will continue to get worse. And then we will be worse off than where we were on day one. Pacman said it perfectly, "Everyone is connected; remove enough people for too long & everything collapses."

I know that COVID-19 is a scary thing, but losing the economy scares me a hell of a lot worse than a virus with a 99% survivability rate. You'd have to be a complete fool not to be able to do the math on this one.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 10, 2020, 03:54:57 PM
^ Apparently death by COVID-19 is inscrutable.  Here in the Tri-state area, death has been significant and unexpected, including children, young adults in perfect health, and persons of all ages and all races.  My sister-in-law has lost two brothers to COVID-19. 


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pacman000 on May 10, 2020, 04:06:26 PM
There are no words to describe death, but inscrutable comes close. I never understand it; it just leaves a hole. I'm sorry for your family's loss; I'm sorry for every family's loss.

Truth is, I don't know what to make of all this. It's too weird & sad & beyond me.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on May 10, 2020, 04:13:50 PM
There is also the risk of long term effects with this virus. No one knows exactly if there are any or what they may be. Children while apparently resistant to Covid-19 itself seem to at risk from death from some side effects. Unfortunately it is going to take time to figure everything out. Hopefully one of the various vaccines that has went to trial will have positive results and give us a route back to normalicy.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on May 10, 2020, 06:54:56 PM
I get wanting to re-open the economy; we're going to have to do it at some point, probably sooner rather than later.
BUT - if we don't do it right, and take heavy precautions, the 80,000 Americans who have died already will be a drop in the bucket.
And these idiots screaming that they refuse to wear a mask, or get the vaccine when it becomes available - they are essentially broadcasting to the world that they not only don't care whether they get sick, live, or die - they also care about no one else!

They infuriate me.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: El Misfit on May 10, 2020, 07:19:42 PM
Those people will not take responsibility if it comes back to bite them.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on May 10, 2020, 10:48:29 PM
Both sides of the political spectrum are out of work and may loss everything. Both are also dying.
If things reopen too soon, more folks will die, businesses will close up again, and it will start all over. And then we will be back where we were on day one.

And yet, If things don't reopen soon, more folks will die,

 

Explain this one to me, please.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 11, 2020, 05:32:12 PM
... I'm sorry for your family's loss; ...
Thanks for your kind words, but I never met either man, nor am I close with this sister-in-law.  However, it is someone I know a long time and her family.  In NJ, I don't know anything except my own experience; we're still on lockdown.  It is a terrible deadly illness. 


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on May 13, 2020, 06:39:16 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/ePgVfRI.jpg)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Jim H on May 14, 2020, 11:51:37 AM
Both sides of the political spectrum are out of work and may loss everything. Both are also dying.
If things reopen too soon, more folks will die, businesses will close up again, and it will start all over. And then we will be back where we were on day one.

And yet, If things don't reopen soon, more folks will die,

 

Explain this one to me, please.

I don't know about more deaths (forecasting this seems like wild guesses to me), but you can likely eventually expect an increase in "deaths from despair" in a prolonged shutdown leading to bad economic conditions.  That is, statistically significant increases in a variety of deaths contributed to by bad economic conditions and people being more socially isolated - suicides, drug overdoses, alcohol related accidents, crime, etc.  That's something that will be worse in America than in most other Western countries due to our pretty weak welfare system.  

On a side note to that, I would wager there'd also be fewer deaths in certain areas (maybe traffic accidents?) due to people being at home more, but I have no idea the overall balance.

I can't say this makes me think we need an immediate full re-opening, but it is a legitimate issue.  


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on May 14, 2020, 05:59:49 PM
A friend of mine shared this, and I kind of agree:

Stolen from My face book friend Steven.
"Imagine being Bill Gates right now.

You spend 30 years of your life and $50 billion of your own dollars supporting humanitarian causes. You directly save hundreds of thousands of lives in South East Asia by providing anti malaria netting to half of a continent, you drop infant mortality rates throughout the entire developing world by funding vaccine programs including vaccinating 40,000,000 children for polio, and, amongst a plethora of philanthropic endeavors, you fund free educational platforms like Khan Academy so people can have free access to high quality education.

Then after donating half of your wealth to charity and pledging 90% of the remainder to charity in your will..

Arguably doing more to better life on earth for humanity than any other human being to ever live.

You then hop on the internet only to find a million scientifically illiterate f***ing imbeciles that are using the very computers you pretty much invented in the first place to call you a child murdering arch villian antichrist because they watched a YouTube video made by some other yokel with the comprehension of a f***ing potato."


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 14, 2020, 07:46:44 PM
i just saw on yahoo news that bars are open now and they are it say full of people in short nobody gives a sh*t about the rules anymore because they i think, think the virus has gone away even though it hasn't and no bars should be open and when all these people get sick for not staying home and they end up dead

than they have nobody to blame other than themselves


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zombie no.one on May 14, 2020, 08:10:05 PM
sounds like Bill Gates needs a better PR man right now, or maybe some kind of image overhaul.

if someone designed him a funky t-shirt with "I WILL SAVE YOUR LIFE....OR ELSE!!" on the front, that could work.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on May 14, 2020, 08:59:45 PM
i just saw on yahoo news that bars are open now and they are it say full of people in short nobody gives a sh*t about the rules anymore because they i think, think the virus has gone away even though it hasn't and no bars should be open and when all these people get sick for not staying home and they end up dead

than they have nobody to blame other than themselves

This is in Wisconsin, right? The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled (in a controversial 4-3 decision) that the stay-at-home order was unconstitutional.

I think most of the partiers think they probably won't get the virus, or will get it and not have symptoms (which is correct, the odds of them getting seriously sick are low). They're not worried about spreading it to others. It's selfishness.

Some of them probably think it's all a hoax, too.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 15, 2020, 12:28:09 AM
yes it is and it's ........... stupid to keep it clean here i don't live there granted i live in ohio but it angers me when they are that stupid.  it's said that if you look at other countries they are doing a lot better and some of them are even going back to normal and yeah they are still being careful but their cases of the infected have went down because they  were playing it safe and doing the right thing,

unlike us in the states where we have such .......................idiots  that it's just plain sad and.............. and well you get what i'm trying to say i'm sure


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on May 15, 2020, 10:37:51 AM
Quote
Conspiracy theories are cheat codes for ignorant people. Aquiring expertise in a given field is hard, it takes effort and dedication. It's a lot easier to write it off as bulls**t than it is to put your nose in a book or spend hours in a lab. So, rather than put in the work, just convince yourself that they're all lairs and you are one of the view smart enough to see through it. It's more satisfying to one's ego than to admit you just aren;t all that intelligent and you don't understand.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zombie no.one on May 15, 2020, 01:52:07 PM
I don't need conspiracy theories, the facts are depressing enough...


One thing that's annoyed me about this whole thing is big highstreet companies pushing their brands in the name of 'charity'... ooh aren't we great, >insert brand here<...we've donated 500 masks to some random people, and  all NHS workers can get a free sample of shampoo from our stores between the hours of 7am and 7:15 every Tuesday. aren't we great!!!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on May 15, 2020, 01:54:45 PM
Alas very few companies is really going to do stuff like that for purely altruistic reasons. Capitalism just doesn't that way.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 15, 2020, 02:12:20 PM
i just saw on yahoo news that bars are open now and they are it say full of people in short nobody gives a sh*t about the rules anymore because they i think, think the virus has gone away even though it hasn't and no bars should be open and when all these people get sick for not staying home and they end up dead than they have nobody to blame other than themselves
This is in Wisconsin, right? The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled (in a controversial 4-3 decision) that the stay-at-home order was unconstitutional.

I think most of the partiers think they probably won't get the virus, or will get it and not have symptoms (which is correct, the odds of them getting seriously sick are low). They're not worried about spreading it to others. It's selfishness.
Some of them probably think it's all a hoax, too.
 

Here is a voice of reason.   :thumbup:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 15, 2020, 02:19:44 PM
i vented even more on you tube and i wasn't clean about it on there lol and it felt great but while i was venting a thought hit me, on how stupid these people are

where the hell are they even getting the money to go to bars? i've been to bars they are expensive as hell and that's why i barely at all even go to bars and why they aren't for me. it's cheaper buying a bottle depending on what you like of course than going to a bar.   and at last count which is prolly higher now there are 36 million people out of jobs, as someone on you tube said they had 87 bucks in the bank some even less than that to pay not only for bills and food,

where the hell are they getting money to go out and get drunk when they got bills? i'm sorry paying bills and putting food on the table not only for yourself but your  family if you have one is more important than going out and getting drunk. actually it's also pointless to even do that cause a lot of people are drinking at home anyways after they bought bottles of booze. 


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: claws on May 18, 2020, 01:11:23 AM
Our town was lucky so far, until last weekend. It was reported today that 40 people from a retirement home have the virus. They are unsure how it happen because they didn't allow visitors for the last eight weeks. This is a hard blow as things were starting to get better in these parts. Oh well.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 18, 2020, 04:39:25 AM
here in ohio they are opening it feels like damn near everything, some places no doubt are taking precaution and i commend them for that other places like some ....................idiot said in a statement on the news last night it's not my job for my customer's safety uh YEAH it f........ well is if you ...idiot

i swear we are going to have it get far far worse before June even comes and it's only in the States who has the biggest ...........idiots who care more about the rich than the every day joe like us. to use an old saying that's why we have the most death for those actually reported that is i think the numbers are far higher than it even reported cause in some states they aren't even reporting them and saying it's something else entirely


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on May 19, 2020, 08:01:25 AM
Both sides of the political spectrum are out of work and may loss everything. Both are also dying.
If things reopen too soon, more folks will die, businesses will close up again, and it will start all over. And then we will be back where we were on day one.

And yet, If things don't reopen soon, more folks will die,

 


Explain this one to me, please.

Well, what are you going to do when your essential job suddenly becomes non-essential? What will you do when the unemployment insurance runs out? When the stimulus checks stop coming in from Nancy Pelosi's people? When the food supply chain runs dry? I guess you could go and live in the hills and fight over elk or deer with the other Natives...until they scalp you, that is.

I mean, we are all about gloom & doom in here, aren't we? So I guess we're going to have to start talking about this sometime; might as well start now.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on May 19, 2020, 08:13:52 AM
http://youtu.be/dB96nN5kNS8 (http://youtu.be/dB96nN5kNS8)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on May 19, 2020, 09:22:37 AM
^  :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on May 19, 2020, 09:38:28 AM
Both sides of the political spectrum are out of work and may loss everything. Both are also dying.
If things reopen too soon, more folks will die, businesses will close up again, and it will start all over. And then we will be back where we were on day one.

And yet, If things don't reopen soon, more folks will die,

 


Explain this one to me, please.

Well, what are you going to do when your essential job suddenly becomes non-essential? What will you do when the unemployment insurance runs out? When the stimulus checks stop coming in from Nancy Pelosi's people? When the food supply chain runs dry? I guess you could go and live in the hills and fight over elk or deer with the other Natives...until they scalp you, that is.

I mean, we are all about gloom & doom in here, aren't we? So I guess we're going to have to start talking about this sometime; might as well start now.

I was gonna ask you if you are really that stupid, but judging from this, the question is moot.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 19, 2020, 02:57:40 PM
...Well, what are you going to do when your essential job suddenly becomes non-essential? What will you do when the unemployment insurance runs out? When the stimulus checks stop coming in from Nancy Pelosi's people? When the food supply chain runs dry? I guess you could go and live in the hills and fight over elk or deer with the other Natives...until they scalp you, that is.
I mean, we are all about gloom & doom in here, aren't we? So I guess we're going to have to start talking about this sometime; might as well start now.
 
Dead is dead.  You value your life, and are willing to take small gamble.  For many people, it's a crap-shoot.  Your risk is small; it's understandable that you do not care about others and their risk. 

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Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 19, 2020, 11:44:10 PM
i do agree about your image 100% ya know there are a lot worse things in this world than being stuck at home, i think any Vet can my guess tell you the same thing yet they have all these people.....


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on May 20, 2020, 11:52:14 AM
I wonder what everyone would do if we got hit with a new, improved Black Plague?  :question:

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Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pacman000 on May 20, 2020, 11:57:25 AM
Those who want things to remained closed are more afraid of this:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Emergency_hospital_during_Influenza_epidemic%2C_Camp_Funston%2C_Kansas_-_NCP_1603.jpg/320px-Emergency_hospital_during_Influenza_epidemic%2C_Camp_Funston%2C_Kansas_-_NCP_1603.jpg)

Those who want the ecconomy to open are more afraid of this:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Lange-MigrantMother02.jpg/185px-]Lange-MigrantMother02.jpg)

To say one or another group is a bunch of cry babies is to improperly discount their fears. To say someone does not care because they want to reopen is also improper. A diabetic might want to reopen his business in spite of any personal risk to his health because he has loans coming due at the end of the year, loans his supplies required him to take.

Zelmo's rhetoric is poor, but his logic is not. Governmental payouts are useless if a significant part of the economy is shut down; money is only worth what it can buy. If factories aren't open there will be fewer products available, so prices would rise. Governmental loans are even worse; they'll put a lot of people in debt. With increased inflation it'll be hard to pay back those loans, & there's no bankruptcy protection for loans given by the government. There are supposed to be conditions where the loans will be forgiven, but they don't apply to every situation.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on May 20, 2020, 12:05:58 PM
 ^ Nobody wants to go broke. But your still alive, to fight another day.
I been homeless. I ain't been dead yet.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pacman000 on May 20, 2020, 12:35:23 PM
I'm more afraid of a large-scale societal collapse, which is the worst-case scenario of either extreme. We seem to have avoided overcrowded hospitals so far, but we've created another problem, & I'm afraid too many people are dismissing it too quickly.

Do you want a significant part of the population to wind up homeless? That sounds callous, as callous as saying we shouldn't wear masks.



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 20, 2020, 12:43:13 PM
...
To say one or another group is a bunch of cry babies is to improperly discount their fears. To say someone does not care because they want to reopen is also improper. A diabetic might want to reopen his business in spite of any personal risk to his health because he has loans coming due at the end of the year, loans his supplies required him to take.

Zelmo's rhetoric is poor, but his logic is not. Governmental payouts are useless if a significant part of the economy is shut down; money is only worth what it can buy. If factories aren't open there will be fewer products available, so prices would rise. Governmental loans are even worse; they'll put a lot of people in debt. With increased inflation it'll be hard to pay back those loans, & there's no bankruptcy protection for loans given by the government. There are supposed to be conditions where the loans will be forgiven, but they don't apply to every situation.
Go back and read everything from the first use of the cry baby image; I copied it to make a point.  Money money money; it's the one thing God didn't invent. 


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pacman000 on May 20, 2020, 01:51:55 PM
I'll try to; I just need to find the time.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on May 20, 2020, 02:23:12 PM
I'll try to; I just need to find the time.

Must be your working!  
I mean your not holding starving babies in Oklahoma....!  
That's what your worried about, right? Starving babies?
Comparing the Great Depression with the s**t that is going on now is ...ahhh!
HOLY f**k! IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD! I can't walk into the deli!  
Just suck it up and deal with it. Quit being a crybaby- oh- wait a minute.....don't be a SNOWFLAKE.
I hate that word.  :hatred: And I just used it.  :bluesad:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 20, 2020, 04:40:33 PM
for me it's not that i think everyone is a crybaby i don't think that at all but the ones who are protesting and doing all that really stupid Sh*t that's a bunch of cry baby's.  because all they are going to do is not only infect themselves but other people as well because they may have the virus and they may not know it.

you don't always show signs you have it they say. the smart ones i think are being very cautious about it & the ones who aren't just being plain idiots, and the jobs who wont' let their workers wear masks and aren't trying to keep them safe as well are even bigger morons. i mean like i said there are far worse places to be stuck than being at home. there are plenty of people who are at home right now and are grateful not to be stuck at home but to spend some time with their family's or spouses that they normally don't always get to see because of their work schedule that's how i look at it. though i'm not married myself so it really varies i think with a person or a family


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 21, 2020, 08:18:17 PM
it just popped up on my phone that Trump now says that if we get a 2nd wave in the fall he is not closing the country again, funny how he actually thinks that it's gonna be in the fall when it happens when honestly i think it's gonna hit us within the next 2 weeks or even less than that because of them opening up.

it amazes me how little he regards human life it doesn't surprise me, but he honestly doesn't care who dies weather it's his own cult or anyone for that matter, my question has always been when everyone is dead because of you, who's going to vote for you? who's going to want to vote for him? it just angers me that anyone is that stupid. am i alone in feeling this way or is it just me?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on May 21, 2020, 08:39:19 PM
^ No, it's not just you.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 22, 2020, 12:10:35 AM
i'm glad, it's just the level of stupidity is just amazing, how someone can be that stupid ya know? we have a president that cares nothing about human life at all, how can anyone even like him? hell Gacy was more of a people person than Trump and Gacy was one sick........ ya know? Gacy had people that actually had people care about him a sister for example if my memory is correct & as sick as he is as a person i think he actually cared about her too. what's that tell you?


but while it's true Trump didn't touch any of the people that died so he didn't do it with his own hands his actions or lack of actions anyways did do it. i don't think anyone should really care about politics right now, they should care more about the pandemic than who's doing better Trump or Biden?  but than what do i know ya know? i'm just someone that wants the country to return to normal and no one else to die because of the virus that's all i want. & to have an actual leader that can oh i dunno actually care about someone else but himself.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on May 22, 2020, 03:53:01 AM
I blame the people that voted for him. He couldn't be doing any of this if he hadn't been enabled and it isn't like people didn't know what they were getting.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 22, 2020, 04:45:29 AM
the reason he even was put into office to begin with was they say Russia had a lot to do with it, honestly i have no idea if that is even true or not and i really don't even care at the moment, the only reason he was elected i think was cause so many people didn't want Hilary Clinton back in the white house, now i am not a fan of her's either but leaving her politics out there's no doubt i don't think it would have gotten this bad.

what's really scary of many is that he seems to get away with so much, my question is why? if Nixon got into trouble and well we all know what did happen there,

why isn't Trump held Accountable? i don't even remember the republican's ever being this dirty when i was growing up, or hell even during when Obama was president for that matter.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on May 22, 2020, 05:07:49 AM
Look into the investigations of his business practices over the decades. You'll be amazed at just how much he has been allowed to get away with. He is a spoiled brat who has led a life of privilege and abuse. I would imagine that he sees himself as being pretty much untouchable at this point. You'd have to decide on the reasons why he has been able to get away with everything for yourself. Is the whole system too weak to deal with him, is there too much corruption or incompetence? His supporters would no doubt tell you that he hasn't done anything wrong and that's why he isn't being held to account.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on May 22, 2020, 02:48:13 PM
Donald Dump is up to his same old sh1t in Michigan

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/05/21/trump-ford-plant-visit-mask-michigan-attorney-general-dana-nessel-intv-tsr-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/this-week-in-politics/ (https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/05/21/trump-ford-plant-visit-mask-michigan-attorney-general-dana-nessel-intv-tsr-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/this-week-in-politics/)

He's just shooting himself in the foot no matter what he does...he's soon to be old news.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 22, 2020, 04:44:43 PM
did you see that on Colbert i think maybe last week? where Trump mentions how he misses guys like Carson and than Colbert Played a clip from Jan of 1992 and he was making jokes about him back than. so as colbert said even he was a joke back than. honestly i do think Trump is ill he has to have some mental disorder cause he's getting worse each time we see him. his latest words  i forget what they were but even they made no sense to me,

even Howard Stern said recently that the people who voted for him he cares nothing for you. it's a bit shocking he said that cause they were friends but i guess even Howard has his limits. i do think there has to be a Republican who will find the balls and stand up to him and say no you are out of line etc... we need people in Congress telling them we cannot open yet cause the virus is still out there. i wonder how all this will hurt him when it is time for the Election come november?

hell even the Seniors in Florida are i hear gonna vote for Biden  and that's the base he needs the most apparently


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on May 22, 2020, 06:48:27 PM
even here in deep red( except for our beloved and wonderful governor kelly) kansas, he's losing support. and he blew it by praising governor kelly, which cracked me up. she's done a masterful job of keeping the virus numbers low here, and when she met with him wednesday, he sang her praises to the shies. i'm pretty sure he didn't realize that she's a democrat, lol!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 22, 2020, 09:14:43 PM
she is? you forget that's the same guy who has been claiming Michigan made him person of the year or whatever it's called? and they don't even have anything like that up there at all? anyways

here is an article from yahoo news https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/cdc-covid-19-arkansas-church-contagion-trump-010357081.html (https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/cdc-covid-19-arkansas-church-contagion-trump-010357081.html)


imagine that he's demanding Churches opening and this happens hmmm... and i don't really need to say anything further other than this article says it for me


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: LilCerberus on May 24, 2020, 02:12:06 PM
In a weird way, the current situation makes this opening line from Threads (1984) that much more relevant;

"In an urban society, everything connects.

Each person's needs are fed by the skills of many others.

Our lives are woven together in a fabric.

But the connections that make society strong also make it vulnerable."


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 24, 2020, 04:27:12 PM
your right it does, ya know i was thinking about this pandemic, and a thought Occured to me and that is if they want to open so much up, than they SHOULD HAVE said listen folks this pandemic is still out there so don't ignore the 6 feet apart rule and still keep your distance, and say more too, but since we've got such poor leadership right now we have people thinking i think that the crisis has passed which just isn't true at all.

Disney reopened their parks and they are making people wear masks and i love that they are doing it the right way, yet i saw an article that said on yahoo news that it should be an option uh no it should NOT be an option at all it should be if you don't want to wear one than don't come in at all. my next question is why in the hell would you want to go to a bar, to disney world or disney land if you need the money to pay your bills or even feed your family or kids?

but that's another discussion altogether. i've said it before i get why they want it open and i don't want anyone living in the streets but they should take precaution with opening something they aren't doing. it's being handled so damn poorly that it's not even funny


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: LilCerberus on May 24, 2020, 04:59:12 PM
Y'Know, the polls are the one place you've already had to practice social distancing for years, because you're not allowed to peek....

People pull out their IDs or say their names, & y' can't have some sneak getting ahold of that info, can,t have them looking over their shoulder telling them their voting wrong or finding out how their neighbor is voting so they can blab it all over the place.............

Makes perfect sense to practice social distancing at the polls!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on May 24, 2020, 09:39:05 PM
I've gotten to the point I could care less what anyone does.


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Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on May 25, 2020, 12:54:41 AM
I can scream and holler about all sorts of sh!t. All day long! And I have !
But no politics is going to fix dead people.
It shouldn't be a political thing. it should be "LETS LIVE!!" kinda thing.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 25, 2020, 01:08:59 AM
you just made me think of The Sixth Sense line I see Dead people and sadly very sadly that's a line that has more or less come true what with so many people sick. there was a pick of a male nurse before he got sick cause he had gotten the virus and he did live through it, i saw this last night i think? on yahoo and he was a buff dude With muscles and so forth he really worked out and took care of himself. and than he showed a picture as well in both pics his shirt was off.

and he looked like a horror movie he had no muscle tone at all,he was really slim & you could tell he had been through hell.  it's just amazing and not in a good way by any means what this virus does to you and your system. 


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on May 25, 2020, 01:46:00 AM
^ Well, golly! Now I'm really look forward to tomorrow!

 :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle:

 :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle:


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Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 25, 2020, 10:51:52 AM
Ann Coulter Turns on ‘Disloyal Actual Retard’ Trump in Twitter Rant  

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/ann-coulter-turns-disloyal-actual-172315065.html (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/ann-coulter-turns-disloyal-actual-172315065.html)  

"...The far-right media pundit and former Trump defender was triggered by the president’s Friday tweet in which he called for Alabama voters to “not trust Jeff Sessions” and instead put their support behind Sessions’ Republican Senate seat challenger, football coach Tommy Tuberville..."




Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 25, 2020, 02:47:19 PM
i just saw on yahoo news that Trump is wanting kids back in school and that we are near 100,000 deaths WOO HOO i just mean that by how he thinks.

we have that many deaths and he wants kids in school? WTF? honestly the school year is about done anyways so why even bother sending them at all? even if they did find a cure this week which they won't but if they did. they might as well just keep them home ya know?

Coronavirus: Trump pushes for schools to reopen on ‘much very good information’ as Covid-19 death toll nears 100,000


very good information my ass i have it on very good information that an outhouse doesn't stink on a hot summer day, we all know that's BS just like hearing him say anything at all is BS cause the guy can't stop lying at all, used car salesman lie less than he does


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: bob on May 25, 2020, 02:52:16 PM
I'm still waiting for my pandemic unemployment insurance  :bluesad:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 25, 2020, 03:55:45 PM
i'm sorry to hear that i hope you get that soon


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on May 25, 2020, 04:01:07 PM
Bob, in the UK my wife has been finding out all sorts of ways for people who aren't getting money from the government for whatever and posting up lists of things like contact numbers, and other places people can go to for help and support. Have you tried having a look to see if there is anything like that for where you are? Sorry, but I don't know enough about the system over there to offer more concrete advice.

I hope things get sorted for you soon. Indeed, I hope that for everyone.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on May 25, 2020, 06:39:57 PM
I was tested for Covid-19 and got a negative result today.  :cheers:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pacman000 on May 25, 2020, 07:02:12 PM
Then I'm happy for you! Here's to hoping you don't catch it later.  :bluesad:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pacman000 on May 27, 2020, 12:53:13 PM
Someone thinking about the long term fx of shutting down everything: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/what-if-the-lockdown-is-worse-than-the-disease/ar-BB14FYku?ocid=spartandhp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/what-if-the-lockdown-is-worse-than-the-disease/ar-BB14FYku?ocid=spartandhp)
Quote
People speak of a second or third wave of infection from the virus — and the instinct from politicians and public health authorities will be to have yet another round of lockdowns. But the point of flattening the curve, as population health expert Drew Harris has said, wasn’t to reduce the number of total cases (no matter what the curve, we’ll have the same “number of new cases over time,” he says). Rather, it was to make sure health care systems weren’t overwhelmed.
We’ve done that. And having done that, this fall schools need to reopen, jobs need to return, and we need to move toward some semblance of an open society. The disease will continue to ravage us, and the losses will be visceral and terrifying. But delaying our return to normalcy will make the costs even worse.

And thoughts about the disease's spread & that cost: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/commentary-i-lost-my-mother-to-covid-19-heres-why-we-must-face-the-coronavirus-threat-honestly/ar-BB14FROe?ocid=spartandhp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/commentary-i-lost-my-mother-to-covid-19-heres-why-we-must-face-the-coronavirus-threat-honestly/ar-BB14FROe?ocid=spartandhp)

Quote
Will 40% of those additional deaths be among the elderly and people in nursing facilities? More than that? We’ll need increased testing and increased access to testing to know for sure. As we open up our communities, we should be honest with ourselves about the cost of liberty.
I’m sad that my mother has died. But my grief is darker knowing that so many other mothers will die. We are in the process of losing a large part of a generation. The least we can do is acknowledge what is happening and serve as honest witnesses. The least we could do is make an accurate count of the dead.



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 27, 2020, 03:30:07 PM
did someone see yesterday that Twitter used a fact check on Trump? he got p**sed and threatened to shut it down but he's not gonna do a damn thing, with him and tweeting it's like a sex addict going without sex


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: El Misfit on May 27, 2020, 06:21:00 PM
did someone see yesterday that Twitter used a fact check on Trump? he got p**sed and threatened to shut it down but he's not gonna do a damn thing, with him and tweeting it's like a sex addict going without sex
(https://i.imgur.com/S2IrarM.png)
So Trump is the male version of Karen?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 27, 2020, 06:55:33 PM
yep and holy sh*t is that ugly woman


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 28, 2020, 01:53:32 AM
i saw this on yahoo news and it had me laughing my ass off

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mom-accidentally-flashed-her-daughters-183700102.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/mom-accidentally-flashed-her-daughters-183700102.html)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on May 28, 2020, 07:43:38 AM
I did so many ZOOM lessons with my kids this spring; I always made sure my wife knew when I was online so she wouldn't exit the bathroom in a less than dressed state in front of my high schoolers!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 28, 2020, 09:48:21 AM
i think most people do but ya gotta admit that's really damn funny, i dunno what the woman looked like but it had me laughing, apparently a boy of little boys saw their 1st naked woman apparently. lol


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Trevor on May 28, 2020, 11:01:03 PM
I did so many ZOOM lessons with my kids this spring; I always made sure my wife knew when I was online so she wouldn't exit the bathroom in a less than dressed state in front of my high schoolers!

 :bouncegiggle: :teddyr:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 28, 2020, 11:19:39 PM
i saw on my celly tonight that crowds got together in protest for that black man who got killed, while i am agreement that it wasn't something that shouldn't have happened and the cops or cop responsible needs to go to jail for murder, however with a pandemic going on it's so not worth risking your life for this


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on May 29, 2020, 01:23:35 AM
i am SERIOUSLY  cracking up laughing at the orange wonderboy! he issued an EXECUTIVE ORDER to prevent social media from moderating " free speech" , and he looks even more foolish than ever. not to mention that his poll numbers are TANKING. I LOVE IT! 


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 29, 2020, 01:45:27 AM
so do i am he's not even caring either, apparently all the money he gets for his Election he's using to Sue people!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on May 29, 2020, 08:38:50 AM
Twitter just flagged his latest tweet for "glorifying violence."
I would do a happy dance if they suspended his account.  How AWESOME that would be!!!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on May 29, 2020, 08:52:40 AM
Imagine the reaction if they deleted it.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 29, 2020, 09:06:35 AM
Twitter just flagged his latest tweet for "glorifying violence."
I would do a happy dance if they suspended his account.  How AWESOME that would be!!!
I like that idea, but not sure I agree.  After all, the tweets certainly illustrate :
a) arrogance
b) foolishness
c) ignorance
d) immaturity
e) just plain stupidity


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on May 29, 2020, 10:52:05 AM
^ I agree. Let the twit have his twitter.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 29, 2020, 03:08:17 PM
how is it that he gets all p**sed off for someone saying he's lying once and gives actual facts but over 100,000 people thus far are dead and he does nothing? what logic is that?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on May 29, 2020, 03:23:35 PM
how is it that he gets all p**sed off for someone saying he's lying once and gives actual facts but over 100,000 people thus far are dead and he does nothing? what logic is that?


(https://i.imgur.com/tPDIgXM.jpg)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 29, 2020, 04:44:36 PM
^ I agree. Let the twit have his twitter.
Yeh, let the twat have his twatter. 


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 29, 2020, 05:06:59 PM
i wonder how badly this is gonna backfire on him or backfire at all come November?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 29, 2020, 05:13:33 PM
also where did you even find that? it's exactly what he is, i wonder how many people that really got mad? 


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on May 29, 2020, 11:53:11 PM
If you mean the cartoon I posted, it was in one of the FB groups I am a member of. No idea where the OP got it from though.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on May 30, 2020, 01:33:43 AM
did anyone watch Kimmel tonight? well the video he posted for his opening check it out man is he p**sed about what did happen and he's got a right to be as we all are. he leaves the jokes out and he's actually speaking in anger and i hope people listen to him. you can easily tell he's speaking in anger,

by the way i saw on yahoo news that we have 6 States thus far are in the red since they started opening stuff hmm imagine that, you rush to get everything open instead of oh i dunno take precaution and listen to the CDC isn't it called? you are gonna have  cases increase


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on May 30, 2020, 09:46:26 AM
also where did you even find that? it's exactly what he is, i wonder how many people that really got mad?  

It looks like it came from the Toronto Star newspaper.

And I agree- it's a fair assessment by a Canadian newspaper that has no stake in Trump one way or the other.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on June 03, 2020, 02:05:09 AM
man this world is getting even more F... up guys.  it feels like The Stand the start of it when They are kicking everyone out of Texas and taking them into custody.

it feels like a bad B movie even more now and it sure as hell doesn't even feel like america anymore.  the covid virus is now at 1.8 million!  hmmm i wonder why?

  that's not to say that people should do nothing about it, but had they not started rioting and looting.... the numbers may be lower ya know?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Jim H on June 03, 2020, 03:55:48 PM
Well, I get how you're feeling, but we won't be seeing much of a COVID spike from the protests and riots for probably another week yet, likely longer.  Floyd was murdered just a bit over a week ago, and it took a few days for the protests to really start.  The incubation period for COVID is at least 4-5 days, with some people it being more like a full 14.  Protesters also trend quite young, so many of the people won't be badly affected - but they're going to be asymptomatic for a few days after being infected and they'll end up traveling around more while getting sick and seeing older relatives, so we'll probably start seeing deaths and hospitalizations from those secondary contacts in another 3-4 weeks.  The thing I'm especially worried about is if patterns of spread will be spiking even further around the 4th of July, as that will be when many elderly people go out more and are around more people.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: bob on June 03, 2020, 03:56:24 PM
I'm still waiting on my pandemic unemployment

I also just got back from Walgreens to get a prescription refilled -- virtually no one else besides workers and myself were wearing masks


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on June 03, 2020, 04:13:34 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/7acbac70-3123-3aee-a0c8-2c3c8392b56a/coronavirus-update-u-s-case.html (https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/7acbac70-3123-3aee-a0c8-2c3c8392b56a/coronavirus-update-u-s-case.html)

was just posted today and i think everyone should still wear masks i know they relaxed a lot of things but we should still all wear them


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on June 04, 2020, 02:01:50 AM
I see the guy who came up with Sweden's policy for dealing with Covid-19 has said he made a mistake there. It has led to them having one of the highest per capita death rates and interestingly unemployment has still rocketed and the country is heading for a major economic crash.

So much for the people who advocated for just ignoring the outbreak and keeping everything open.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on June 04, 2020, 02:34:38 AM
i didn't realize that sweden even did that, Russia did do that but i dunno about now though


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on June 04, 2020, 03:26:11 AM
Yeah, its been rough on the population. The other Nordic countries are starting to come out of the worst and either have or are about to open up a travel bubble, but are excluding Sweden.

Meanwhile back home, trust in the governments handling of the pandemic has crashed 18 points since the PM's special advisor decided to take a 260 mile round trip a couple of times, ignoring the very advice he helped write. At the moment it is the worlds largest fall in trust since the pandemic struck.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on June 04, 2020, 06:42:41 AM
i'm sorry to hear that you have stupidity by you and even more so buy us in the states. see my question is how hard can it be for the right people to actually not just do their jobs but actually care weather people live or die and not care about their own personal gain? instead of giving a trillion dollars to the rich and give it to us the poor, the USA would not be in such dire straights from people not working and there may not even be an issue of people losing their jobs

but than that's using common sense and this is just stuff that really p**ses me off. you'd think that they would care weather their so called people who vote for them would live or die. but sadly apparently they don't and that goes for both sides too not just one side


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on June 04, 2020, 07:18:44 AM
Too many people have their heads stuck up their own arses to really see what is happening, even while they are drowning in their own s**t.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on June 05, 2020, 05:58:00 AM
Quote
So far.
A quick precis.
Copied from Jane Berry who found it on Twitter @Russincheshire.
"Too good to miss. It clears up everything. Enjoy.   The week in Tory (Cummings special):
1. Dominic Cummings, one of the few men to have ever been found in contempt of Parliament, moved onto contempt for everything.
2. When the story broke, and he was accused of doing things that look bad, he said he didn't care how things looked.
3. Then ministers said press outrage meant nothing, only the opinion of the people mattered.
4. Then polls showed 52% of people wanted Cummings to resign.
5. So Cummings decided to show the public some respect, by turning up 30 minutes late to make his explanation.
6. He began by saying he wasn't speaking for the govt, which must be why he was in the Rose Garden of 10 Downing Street.
7. Then the self-styled "enemy of the Islington media elite" said his wife, who works in the media, had been ill in their house in Islington.
8. But she was only a bit ill, so he popped home, got himself nice and infected, then went back to Downing Street for meetings with lots of vitally important people in the middle of a national crisis.
9. But then he got ill too, so then it was suddenly important.
10. Sadly he couldn't get childcare in London, even though 3 immediate relatives live within 3 miles of his London home.
11. So because he was carrying a virus that can cross a 2 metre distance and kill, he immediately locked himself in a car with his wife and child for 5 hours.
12. He then drove 264 miles without stopping in a Land Rover that gets maybe 25 MPG.
13. Then the scourge of the metropolitan elites made himself extra-relatable by describing his family's sprawling country estate, multiple houses and idyllic woodlands.
14. He explained that he'd warned about a coronavirus years ago in his blog.
15. Then it was revealed he actually secretly amended old blogs after he'd returned from Durham.
16. And anyway, if he'd warned years ago, why was he so massively unprepared and slow to react?
17. Then he said he was too ill to move for a week.
18. But in the middle of that week, presumably with "wonky eyes", he drove his child to hospital.
19. Then he said that to test his "wonky eyes" he put his wife and child in a car and drove 30 miles on public roads.
20. Then it was revealed his wife drives, so there was no reason for the "eye test", cos she could have driven them back to London.
21. Then it was revealed the "eye test" trip to a local tourist spot took place on his wife's birthday.
22. Then cameras filmed as he threw a cup onto the table, smirked and left.
23. And then it emerged his wife had written an article during the time in Durham, describing their experience of being in lockdown in London, which you'd definitely do if you weren't hiding anything.
24. A govt scientific advisor said "more people will die" as a result of what Cummings had done.
25. Boris Johnson said he "wouldn't mark Cummings " down for what he'd done.
26. The Attorney General said it was ok to break the law if you were acting on instinct.
27. The Health Minister said it was OK to endanger public health if you meant well.
28. Johnson said Cummings' "story rings true" because his own eyesight was fine before coronavirus, but now he needs glasses.
29. But in an interview with The Telegraph 5 years ago, Johnson said he needed glasses cos he was "blind as a bat"
30. Michael Gove went on TV and said it was "wise" to drive 30 miles on public roads with your family in the car to test your eyesight.
31. The DVLA tweeted that you should never, ever do this.
32. Then ministers started claiming Cummings had to go to Durham because he feared crowds attacking his home. The streets were empty because we were observing the lockdown.
33. And then a minister finally resigned.
34. Steve Baker, Richard Littlejohn, Isabel Oakeshott, Tim Montgomerie, Jan Moir, Ian Dale, Julia Hartley Brewer, 30 Tory MPs, half a dozen bishops and the actual Daily Mail said Cummings should go.
35. The govt suggested we can ignore them, because they're all left-wingers.
36. Then a vicar asked Matt Hancock if other people who had been fined for doing exactly what Cummings did would get their fine dropped. Matt Hancock said he'd suggest it to the govt.
37. The govt said no within an hour. Cummings' statement had lasted longer than that.
38. And if the guidelines were so clear, why were people being stopped and fined for driving to find childcare in the first place?
39. Then a new poll found people who wanted Cummings sacked had risen from 52% to 57%.
40. Cummings is considered the smartest man in the govt
41. And in the middle of all this, in case we take our eye off it: we reached 60,000 deaths. One of the highest per capita death rates worldwide.
42. We still face Brexit under this lot.
43. It's 4 years until an election.
44. And it's still only Wednesday"


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on June 05, 2020, 06:59:46 AM
i'll read that later as i'm going to bed but Holy Sh*t that's a lot


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on June 09, 2020, 07:26:58 PM
Here's a cool little site that gives you a quick epidemiology 101 course, and contains little simulators you can play with: https://ncase.me/covid-19/

My takeaway is there's no one answer to containing the epidemic, but added together all of the little things--quarantining, social distancing, hand washing, mask-wearing, contact tracing--can add up to a pretty effective response, until we get a vaccine.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on June 10, 2020, 12:36:26 AM
did you see how many people were at those gatherings this weekend? HOLY Sh*T was there a lot of people i think there was 20,000 people alone in New orleans

we all know of this there will be another outbreak and that's not a question but a fact it's just a matter of when?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on June 12, 2020, 02:28:50 PM
the numbers of infections is spiking in several states, and it WILL get worse.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on June 12, 2020, 03:03:58 PM
sadly yes on Channel 3 news it this morning it said 14 states but i saw yesterday i think? it was 17 states i think. yet we have a president that cares more about people fact checking him and his poll numbers over weather people live or die. nobody at the white house even cares anymore about the pandemic how messed up is that?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on June 12, 2020, 03:38:51 PM
Honestly, I am not surprised by his reactions to everything going on. It is really what I'd expect from a man (and I use the term loosely here) with his background.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on June 12, 2020, 06:47:47 PM
on the news they pretty much said they can't figure out how if it's going up or down or what the cause of it is? uh my only thing i got to say is uh you morons it's the fxng  stupid moronic idiotic people who refuse to wear face masks and than there's the riots as well that's the cause right there you moron. but sadly they didn't hear me when i screamed it at the tv


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on June 13, 2020, 12:08:42 AM
I was reading an interesting article about how wither you wear masks and follow social distancing in the US very much breaks down along voter lines, with people who support trump being far less likely to follow them. I would find it highly ironic if things roll on until the US election if he were to lose it because his supporters were too ill to get up and vote and couldn't do postal votes either.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on June 13, 2020, 03:47:42 AM
i was just talking to a friend of mine who Supports him and the reason he does is he says Trump stood up for the truck drivers cause that's what he is, i've known this guy for 29 years. and i said to myself i really doubt he did any of that but i kept quiet, now i dunno if i'm right or wrong, but i have a hard time believing Trump caring about anyone but himself.

he also was saying that a friend of his died in a motorcycle accident some months back and that they listed him as having Covid-19 and there was this guy who was 99 years old who they also said that about even though neither had the virus just so the hospitals can get more money. i dunno if any of this is true but i haven't heard that has anyone?

i didn't get further into it on why i don't like him cause it's not worth it and he decided to change subjects really quickly and so i did. he did say that he didn't like Biden and i said i don't like him either i don't like either of them i said i dunno who would be a better choice but neither of them are a good choice.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on June 13, 2020, 04:55:21 AM
I don't know enough about Biden to comment on him or his fitness for office, although I'd be tempted to say if trump doesn't like him then he can't be all that bad. On a serious note, when it comes to elections I normally look at the party manifestos and how they compare to what each party traditionally stands for, then work out what the likely policies they will enact would mean for me and mine. Since you never really know what election promises will be kept and which ones will be conveniently forgotten it is still a bit of a crap shoot. All you can do it tilt the odds a bit in your favour with some research, or do as most people do and vote for a single party their whole lives without ever really understanding why.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on June 13, 2020, 12:34:19 PM
kind of moot after weeks of protests with hundreds of thousands of people in the streets though


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Jim H on June 14, 2020, 01:33:29 PM
I was reading an interesting article about how wither you wear masks and follow social distancing in the US very much breaks down along voter lines, with people who support trump being far less likely to follow them. I would find it highly ironic if things roll on until the US election if he were to lose it because his supporters were too ill to get up and vote and couldn't do postal votes either.

The adherence is quite a bit higher among Democrats, but something like 80% of Americans are doing social distancing to varying extents and like 75% wear masks at least part of the time.  So really a lot of people in both parties are doing it.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on June 14, 2020, 01:43:36 PM
but not enough though cause we are getting more cases every day now i dunno about here in ohio not yet anyways,  but having these idiots go  to church sure ain't helping either, now i'm not saying everyone who goes to church is an idiot not at all, only the ones who are going during a pandemic. the smart ones are doing it online and at home.

we don't have a curfew where i live but than i live in BFE and not in a city. so i am lucky that way & there's no protesting here at all and again i'm lucky that way too


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on June 14, 2020, 02:53:15 PM
People had been complaining that the regional newspaper had stopped printing the numbers of new cases in this area, but was still covering the numbers in other places. It was then pointed out to the complainers that the reason for this was because their hadn't been any new cases around here.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on June 14, 2020, 07:08:05 PM
that's a good thing i think. i dunno how many there have been around here where i live as far as i know it's not that many


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pacman000 on June 18, 2020, 09:04:20 AM
Blitz testing isn't the answer. Random sampling is — and this is how to do it: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/blitz-testing-isn-t-the-answer-random-sampling-is-and-this-is-how-to-do-it/ar-BB15Fk7b?ocid=msedgntp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/blitz-testing-isn-t-the-answer-random-sampling-is-and-this-is-how-to-do-it/ar-BB15Fk7b?ocid=msedgntp)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on June 18, 2020, 01:44:43 PM
there was a video that i was watching i think it was it was maybe seth meyer last night? i forget which one that really p**sed me off and it had some old bag and i don't all old women old bag's but when someone p**ses me off like this woman did i call them that, actually i have quite a few other names to call her as well. anyways she was wearing of course a trump shirt and a make america worse again hat as i like to call it. 

and she was i think at Congress saying how she's got rights blah blah blah and so forth on how she shouldn't be forced to wear a mask etc... ya know look it up i don't remember it all but here's the thing what is so bad in wearing a mask? i hate going wearing them too but if i end up getting and are stupid enough to go out or i  don't know i have it i could give it to someone else. why are people acting like 5 year olds and refusing to wear one? here's the thing if you want to survive and not get it just wear one, but if you can't if it's medical think of someway to do safety make some kind of cover to protect yourself.

or look for an alternative online they prolly sell something somewhere i'm guessing. but take precautions. i always hated those damn hats of make america great again it sucks now cause of who's president and yet none of those morons realize how far he's tanked this country. if they want to make it great again get another president that is an actual leader and who will follow the actual law. and who isn't a con man trying to con people and who actually cares weather people live or dies.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on June 18, 2020, 07:41:26 PM
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Despite a global death toll of nearly 450,000 and most of the planet shutting down for months, 7% of Britons do not believe there is any evidence coronavirus actually exists.

The finding, based on surveys of 2,254 UK residents aged between 16 and 75 carried out by King's College London and Ipsos Mori, was part of a wider study on conspiracy theories surrounding Covid-19.

It found that 30% of Britons believe coronavirus was created in a laboratory, while the same figure believe the actual death toll is being reduced or hidden by authorities.

Thirteen per cent said the pandemic was part of a global effort to force people to get vaccinated, while 28% believe most people in the UK have had coronavirus without realising it.

The study also found that people who rely on social media for information about coronavirus are more likely to believe conspiracy theories and breach lockdown rules.

More than one in 20 (8%) think the symptoms that most individuals blame on Covid-19 appear to be connected to 5G network radiation – a false conspiracy that is thought to have motivated a number of mobile mast attacks across the country during lockdown.

Of those who believe this theory, 60% said they get their information from YouTube, compared with 14% who think that it is false.

On Facebook, the number stands at 54% among believers, versus 20% of non-believers.

Among those who believe there is no hard evidence that the virus exists, 56% use Facebook as their key information source, almost three times higher than the proportion of people who do not believe such a thing (20%).

The findings also suggest a link between those who have broken lockdown rules and use social media for details about coronavirus as well.

Three in 10 people who wrongly believe that 5G is causing Covid-19 symptoms have gone outside despite suspecting they may have the virus, compared with just 4% among those who reject this belief.

People who admitted going outside with possible symptoms are more than three times as likely as those who have not to get a fair amount or great deal of their information about the virus from YouTube.

Meanwhile, 55% of Facebook-reliant users said they took the risk, compared with 21% who did not.

The results indicate a similar trend among those having friends or family over during lockdown, as well as failing to stick with two-metre distancing rules.

Professor Bobby Duffy, director of the Policy Institute at King's College London, said: "These sort of associations cannot prove that misinformation on social media platforms causes belief in conspiracies, lower trust and a greater likelihood of breaking the rules, but they point to a toxic mix between underlying beliefs and misleading information that can have real effects on how people behave, even during a pandemic."

A YouTube spokeswoman said they were "committed to providing timely and helpful information about Covid-19" and "quickly remove videos violating" their policies.

Facebook said they had removed hundreds of thousands of Covid-19-related pieces of misinformation "that could lead to imminent harm".


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zombie no.one on June 19, 2020, 10:52:13 AM
"People who admitted going outside with possible symptoms are more than three times as likely as those who have not to get a fair amount or great deal of their information about the virus from YouTube."

  "People who admitted"...."more than"... "likely"... "fair amount or great deal"

this could just be the vaguest statistic I think I've ever read, lol

edit - I even missed "possible"...wow.

I suppose you can't help being a bit vague about a virus whose symptoms range from 'absolutely nothing', to 'death'

and apparently it now seems to have acquired a sense of racism and is affecting black people more than whites... really great timing there!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on June 20, 2020, 08:34:28 AM
I am curious as to what the reasons for it affecting some groups more than others. Is it just that in some way, something in their genetic make-up makes them more vulnerable to it, or are they simply more likely to suffer more because a higher percentage come from deprived backgrounds. Doubtless, someone, somewhere will come up with a conspiracy theory that it has been engineered to target such parts of the population.

I wonder what the real death toll of this pandemic really is? Since not everyone who dies will be tested, it will be impossible to gauge. The closest way I think we will have is to look at the expected, normal death rate and cross-reference against what we are really having, but that also will have errors in it. You will, for example, have people who would have lived had medical services been available, but as they have been busy dealing with other matters. Japan has had as an example a 0.3% increase in deaths over what would be expected, while Ecuador has had a 108% increase. Interestingly Serbia reports a 5% decrease in deaths at this time.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on June 20, 2020, 07:21:15 PM
i have no idea i wish i knew, on yahoo one day this week i forget what day it had a headline and i didn't read the article where it claimed that blacks get it more than any other race so it further said the title how the virus is racist or something along the lines of that.

 i've got  question though and maybe someone knows the answer, a friend of mine who is for Trump claims that Trump had truckers get a pay raise and that no other president has done that, he's a trucker obviously lol my question is, is he right? did trump do that? if it is than that is the only thing he's done since he went into office.

anyways they had idiots on tv that are there in Tulsa for Trump, man are they stupid how can they believe everything he says i just don't get that. if you want a good laugh i saw online last night that someone said someone needs to talk to (2013) Trump where he said that when you take office and you do something you need to be responsible for doing it and yet.... need i say more? also did anyone see that a Reporter asked him if all these people who leave you are such bad people why did you hire them? and he sat there quiet as a mouse. go figure ya know?

anyways as for the virus i dunno why but i'm still optimistic that at some point we will have a cure i'm hoping before the end of the year but i doubt it's gonna be anytime soon though.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on June 20, 2020, 08:24:42 PM
i was just watching a video on you tube and it finished as i was looking something up and a video with the orange cheeto was on and pausing the video cause i held no interest what it had to say, i decided to read some of the comments and one of them was Trump will not Sale this country.

sale? what the hell are they even talking about? which just goes to show the kind of people that are voting for him that can't even spell. a 5 year can spell better than that person who typed that in the chat room or whatever it's called on you tube when you watch a stream


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on June 21, 2020, 03:14:20 AM
Some steroid which is apparently fairly cheap and widely available has been shown to help fighting against the virus. Of course, prevention would be better than a cure but at least it is something that works. I just hope that the businesses producing it don't just ramp up the price.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on June 21, 2020, 03:26:25 AM
they can be helpful that's true but than you have people who get addicted to it. ya know on how i think, that might work for some people but not for others but than the various drugs they have announced on what is working or is a maybe like i said it worked for some but not others so they aren't calling it a cure.

here's what is gonna happen i think they are gonna continue to discover that various drugs can help certain people but they'd be stupid to call it a cure.
and i don't think they are stupid. it's nice to know they are at least trying ya know?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Newt on June 21, 2020, 06:07:04 AM
i have no idea i wish i knew, on yahoo one day this week i forget what day it had a headline and i didn't read the article where it claimed that blacks get it more than any other race so it further said the title how the virus is racist or something along the lines of that.

The virus affects a higher percentage of people who are living in conditions of lower income.

Many of the people in the US living in those conditions are black.

That so many blacks are living in lower income situations is a consequence of systemic racism.

Therefore the fact that more blacks are affected by the virus is seen as a direct result of racism.

The virus itself does not discriminate.  The conditions do.  And those conditions have been imposed by racism.

That is the logic behind calling the virus "racist".  Not quite grammatically correct; but the root cause of blacks being disproportionately affected is racism.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on June 21, 2020, 11:54:58 AM

 i've got  question though and maybe someone knows the answer, a friend of mine who is for Trump claims that Trump had truckers get a pay raise and that no other president has done that, he's a trucker obviously lol my question is, is he right? did trump do that? if it is than that is the only thing he's done since he went into office.

'

Off topic, but it makes no sense. The federal government doesn't pay truckers, it's a private industry like anything else. I suppose it's possible they're paying more now on some federal contracts, but that would be a tiny percentage of trucker's business. Plus, since when would Trump favor workers over management? That doesn't sound like him at all.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on June 21, 2020, 03:25:58 PM
that's why i ask and if you are wondering if i argued with him the answer is no, i had no proof to argue with him to say he didn't do it anyways. why he believes this i have no idea, my guess is because there was a short time when he was filmed talking to truckers i am guessing i dunno. course they filmed him talk to a lot of people and he did nothing to help them either. i know nothing on how truckers are paid either


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on June 21, 2020, 03:32:19 PM
i just remembered i think he did say that Trump came and met with them personally, but that still doesn't mean he raised their wages though  or was able to get them raised


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Jim H on June 21, 2020, 09:52:05 PM
i have no idea i wish i knew, on yahoo one day this week i forget what day it had a headline and i didn't read the article where it claimed that blacks get it more than any other race so it further said the title how the virus is racist or something along the lines of that.

The virus affects a higher percentage of people who are living in conditions of lower income.

Many of the people in the US living in those conditions are black.

That so many blacks are living in lower income situations is a consequence of systemic racism.

Therefore the fact that more blacks are affected by the virus is seen as a direct result of racism.

The virus itself does not discriminate.  The conditions do.  And those conditions have been imposed by racism.

That is the logic behind calling the virus "racist".  Not quite grammatically correct; but the root cause of blacks being disproportionately affected is racism.

A minor addition: it's not really proven yet, but they also are now hypothesizing that low vitamin D blood levels put you at higher risk of severe symptoms and death from COVID19.  And, of course, the primary way you get Vitamin D is through sun exposure, and darker skin reduces how much you get, and black people are therefore about twice as likely to have low vitamin D.  That's not really "racism" of course, I just thought it was interesting.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on June 22, 2020, 12:12:39 AM
no doubt they get sun but for some it's harder to tell i'm sure and that wasn't me joking either, i know you weren't being racist and i wasn't trying either that was a yahoo news article title that i posted just without the link


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on June 24, 2020, 12:07:15 PM
No new cases in Moray for several days now and no deaths since the 15th. Hopefully this marks us coming out of things.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on June 24, 2020, 12:30:16 PM
i have no idea i wish i knew, on yahoo one day this week i forget what day it had a headline and i didn't read the article where it claimed that blacks get it more than any other race so it further said the title how the virus is racist or something along the lines of that.

The virus affects a higher percentage of people who are living in conditions of lower income.

Many of the people in the US living in those conditions are black.

That so many blacks are living in lower income situations is a consequence of systemic racism.

Therefore the fact that more blacks are affected by the virus is seen as a direct result of racism.

The virus itself does not discriminate.  The conditions do.  And those conditions have been imposed by racism.

That is the logic behind calling the virus "racist".  Not quite grammatically correct; but the root cause of blacks being disproportionately affected is racism.

A minor addition: it's not really proven yet, but they also are now hypothesizing that low vitamin D blood levels put you at higher risk of severe symptoms and death from COVID19.  And, of course, the primary way you get Vitamin D is through sun exposure, and darker skin reduces how much you get, and black people are therefore about twice as likely to have low vitamin D.  That's not really "racism" of course, I just thought it was interesting.


I always thought darker colors absorbed sunlight. Silly me.  :lookingup:

Yeah. DARKER colors absorb more sunlight.

https://sciencing.com/colors-reflect-light-8398645.html


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on June 24, 2020, 12:58:15 PM
What I love most of this conversation is this f**king moron saying China is "Guilty before proven innocent." at 9:11.
Holy s**t! He says it more than once!  :buggedout:
And of course he says slow down testing remark by Trump was a joke. Yet- Trump said he dosn't joke.
Is Trump living in a fantasy world? If we don't test, we'll have no new cases.  :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle:
Holy f**king s**t!!!!  :bouncegiggle:

And this guy sucks so much dick his jaw is getting cramps- of course that's not a proven fact, but you know- "Guilty until proven innocent"!  :lookingup:

http://youtu.be/zP8qmF49dmQ (http://youtu.be/zP8qmF49dmQ)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on June 24, 2020, 01:12:13 PM
What I love most of this conversation is this f**king moron saying China is "Guilty before proven innocent." at 9:11.
Holy s**t! He says it more than once!  :buggedout:
And of course he says slow down testing remark by Trump was a joke. Yet- Trump said he dosn't joke.
Is Trump living in a fantasy world? If we don't test, we'll have no new cases.  :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle:
Holy f**king s**t!!!!  :bouncegiggle:

[url]http://youtu.be/zP8qmF49dmQ[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/zP8qmF49dmQ[/url])

"That was a light moment..." 
It was a joke! 
I don't joke! 
 :lookingup: :hatred:  We are living in the era of OBFUSCATION.  Jus' keep talkin' contradict everybody you agree with that you don't agree with... :lookingup: :hatred:
LIP SERVICE!  How horrible must it be to perpetuate stupidity by protecting stupid... ?  Ignorance reigns and stupid is king! 


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on June 24, 2020, 01:20:44 PM
^ The thing going on here is even his almost just as insane ex- buddies are turning on him. Not like I'm a fan of John Bolton. That dick sucker wrote a book- trying to make himself look good because his scumbag ass is trying to distance himself from this human sinkhole.
Hoo-boy! Trump said- "- only the best people."
 Yet most were fired or they resigned.
He needs to go back to WWF.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on June 24, 2020, 02:51:07 PM
i forget what where i saw it that Trump apparently in the early days looked into it after Trump made that claim on telling his people to slow down testing, apparently he did that so he can get poll numbers so he was actually telling the truth for once. apparently the money they have for it they've never spent on testing.  as for bolten check out Colbert's interview on him, Colbert really laid into him i think, the only thing he said that i agree with was that the dems went to fast and mishandled  the impeachment. everything else he blamed on the dems, Colbert asked him if he thought he was corrupt and he never gave him a straight answer.


he also asked Bolten if he heard such bad things about him why go work for him? he said well i was hoping he would have listened and learned was his reply.
at one point i forget what Colbert said but he goes to him you said some very hurtful things. boo hoo hoo, he didn't testify at the trial because he didn't think it would have mattered and it would have been ignored which is what he said.   that may be true but we will never know ya know? i watched that because i was curious i wasn't sure if i would believe him or not and wow was he lying about a lot and Colbert knew it. he tried to get him to admit so much but nope he pretty much said the dems did this and that. check it out you no doubt will get angry at his BS.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on June 26, 2020, 01:29:23 AM
Watching a video from a study in the UK. Covid seems to be causing an increased likelihood of swelling of the brain (encephalitis), blood clots and strokes. Just how deep is this rabbit hole going to go?

Starting to wonder if we should start chucking vegans into volcano's to see if we can appease the ancient ones or something.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on June 26, 2020, 01:47:13 AM
Watching a video from a study in the UK. Covid seems to be causing an increased likelihood of swelling of the brain (encephalitis), blood clots and strokes. Just how deep is this rabbit hole going to go?

Starting to wonder if we should start chucking vegans into volcano's to see if we can appease the ancient ones or something.

Hey- it can't hurt!  :thumbup:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: claws on June 26, 2020, 08:30:58 AM
This was just send to me

SOUTHEND-ON-SEA, ENGLAND - JUNE 25: A general view of crowds on the beach on June 25, 2020 in Southend-on-Sea, England.

(https://i.postimg.cc/7hFJr1z3/BB15Z59f.jpg)

 :buggedout:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on June 26, 2020, 08:38:04 AM
This was just send to me

SOUTHEND-ON-SEA, ENGLAND - JUNE 25: A general view of crowds on the beach on June 25, 2020 in Southend-on-Sea, England.

(https://i.postimg.cc/7hFJr1z3/BB15Z59f.jpg)

 :buggedout:

Americans aren't the world's only idiots.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on June 26, 2020, 08:45:12 AM
One English town, Bournemouth actually declared a state of emergency over the number of people who crowded onto the beach.



(https://i.imgur.com/5MxviQE.jpg)



Half a million Darwin awards right there.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Jim H on June 26, 2020, 02:48:29 PM
This was just send to me

SOUTHEND-ON-SEA, ENGLAND - JUNE 25: A general view of crowds on the beach on June 25, 2020 in Southend-on-Sea, England.

 :buggedout:

Americans aren't the world's only idiots.

Yeah...  In terms of the general public's bad behavior and opinions, England is pretty similar to Americans in a lot of things, so is Australia and to a lesser average extent Canada.  I guess that makes sense considering the shared cultural heritage and history.  Just try to find opinion and general knowledge polls and look how common kinda dumb answers are.  Related to this, there was that poll where about 8% of Brits think 5G is a cause of Coronavirus symptoms, and 7% think the entire thing is a hoax.  Way more 5G towers got attacked there than in America.

Or opinions on things people think are uniquely horrible or barbaric about Americans or whatever (based on what Europeans say online anyway).  For example, until very recently the majority of Brits supported the use of the death penalty for some crimes, even though they haven't had the death penalty for over 50 years.  Even now it's close to half supporting it.  

America just gets singled out as we have the biggest media scene and by far the biggest population in the anglosphere.  


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on June 26, 2020, 04:43:47 PM
Watching a video from a study in the UK. Covid seems to be causing an increased likelihood of swelling of the brain (encephalitis), blood clots and strokes. Just how deep is this rabbit hole going to go?

Starting to wonder if we should start chucking vegans into volcano's to see if we can appease the ancient ones or something.

new research is indicating that covid 19 may TRIGGER diabetes too, along with permanent lung& kidney damage.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: claws on June 26, 2020, 06:54:31 PM
This is insanity

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=433b5RJ9BME#)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on June 26, 2020, 08:09:08 PM
This is insanity

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=433b5RJ9BME#[/url])


I'm hoping this kind of thing will increase public support for masks, as some who are kind of mildly anti-mask for laziness reasons won't want to be associated with these kind of crazy people. Probably won't happen that way, but that's my hope.

It's just nuts to me that people think a public health recommendation is a political issue. Partisanship has broken America. We're f**ked.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on June 26, 2020, 10:15:48 PM
anyone who thinks this virus is a Hoax anyone at all i don't care if it's even members of my own family they deserve a special place in hell because they deserve if they get it. like i mentioned that Religious guy that started out being one of those people well until him and his wife got the virus, i do wonder if his wife died from the virus though. but to give him credit at least somewhat anyways, he now goes online and posts that it's not a hoax and tells people to be safe and stuff we all should be doing. it's just a damn shame that he learned too late.

anyways you also forget that there are a lot of idiots that still think it's the flu. we've all had the flu everyone on this board no doubt has had the flu but the flu 99% of the time doesn't kill you, oh i'm sure it has on the past when people have really weak hearts, weak immune systems etc... but that's just 1% .

this virus...well i don't need to explain it, really the only thing i can say is good and i'm talking about myself is that i'm working on losing weight and have been for the past month or so. i didn't at first but so far i've lost i think 10 or 12 lbs thus far.  i'm hoping to lose more and i'm also hoping to lose more as well.

i'm still not working so you gotta stay busy and this is the best time to lose weight i think. thus far i've gone done from wearing size 36 jeans or shorts when it's warmer, to a size 34 next time i go to wally fart as i like to call it, i'm gonna prolly buy some size 33 shorts to see if i can actually fit into those :) 

so far i have only 1 shirt that's XL that i can fit into. i can wear normally 2XX or even 3XX but some 2XX are still not loose enough, i've never been a guy that wants to be one of those fat people who wears the tightest shirts. so i like to wear them lose, i have a whole box full of shirts i want to wear once i lose more weight.  i dd that so it can motivate me to lose more weight, sorry if i'm rambling on but it just keeps me motivated that's all


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on July 02, 2020, 02:01:16 PM
I have pretty much decided that the USA DESERVES to have more deaths from COVID than any nation on earth, because we have become a nation of selfish morons!!!!

Just wear the stupid mask already!!!!!
 :hatred: :hatred: :hatred: :hot: :hot:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on July 02, 2020, 02:18:07 PM
I have pretty much decided that the USA DESERVES to have more deaths from COVID than any nation on earth, because we have become a nation of selfish morons!!!!

Just wear the stupid mask already!!!!!
 :hatred: :hatred: :hatred: :hot: :hot:

There are a lot of people I want to scream at to grow up and at least act like an adult.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 02, 2020, 02:37:58 PM
me to, something well news anyways showed up on my  celly and that's apparently there's an outbreak of some idiots that refused to listen and so they had a party well hmm deserve it? lol f**K yeah they do if they are that stupid. i've said before 5 years listen better than these people. i think i posted this elsewhere but i honestly can't remember anymore that as Seth meyer said last week

how about they go to a doctor the next time they have a big surgery and tell the doctor that they don't want you to wear a mask or wash your hands because that's you are an American and that's your right.  on yahoo news yesterday they did an article about how Jennifer Anniston made a video to people that told everyone to wear a mask she said a bunch of things and i clicked on the reply section and there this guy who posted i have Asthma and i can only wear it for so long etc...  i don't have it so i don't know if he was right or not i thought hew as honest at first  but than i read more replied and they had people go off on him

saying i'm i think it was a doctor and i have severe asthma and i have to wear it 10 hrs a day and it doesn't bother me at all WEAR A MASK and she called him out of being full of S**t  cause apparently he was. anyways we haven't become a country of selfish morons we have always been that way they just are in the news more than they used to be. much like more cops get caught killing innocent blacks these days because of technology and more people are aware of it now

than they used to be. but it's always been there sadly, now do the cops get into trouble hell no, though this time the killing of George Floyd apparently is a first where they are getting into trouble for it and for that i'm thrilled.   

anyways did anyone see that Trump is upset that a mural about George Floyd is gonna be outside of Trump Tower and he's calling it message of hate or something along the lines of that.  to me that sounds like something a racist would say how about you?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 02, 2020, 02:42:14 PM
...
I'm hoping this kind of thing will increase public support for masks, as some who are kind of mildly anti-mask for laziness reasons won't want to be associated with these kind of crazy people. Probably won't happen that way, but that's my hope.

It's just nuts to me that people think a public health recommendation is a political issue. Partisanship has broken America. We're f**ked.
I had my haircut this week because no one was in the place save the barber.  A man walked in, asked for a mask, put it on and sat down.  Meanwhile, the barber had asked me to remove mine (he had one) in order to get at my scraggly... when I left, I made a point of thanking the customer waiting and explained why I had taken mine off.  He was fine with that, but went on a tirade of "lack of oxygen" they "do nothing" etc.  He got a short sharp shock... I explained moisture droplets anyone's coughing or sneezing, and a masks protection is quite real and largely effective.  I should have just left.  


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: El Misfit on July 03, 2020, 01:05:13 AM
The amount of internet Karens complaining about wearing a mask is f**king baffling. Like you would think that after how many deaths and tragic stories about people not wearing masks and dying from covid that they would put two and two together, but no. The parish I live in follows the rules better than the neighboring parishes, and guess what? The neighboring parishes has a spike in covid cases. It 's like I want to knock some sense into them, but they don't have any.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on July 03, 2020, 01:15:37 AM
You ever seen the movie 'Erik the Viking' El Misfit? There is a scene in that where an island is sinking and the people living on the island refuse to accept it even as the waters close over their heads. I thought people refusing to accept climate change was bad enough, but this whole mask thing and refusing to wear is a monument to the stupidity of much of the human race. We can't even claim it is a small minority.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 03, 2020, 02:44:32 AM
firstly what was his response?  was his still a dick about it? ya know doctors as you know have been wearing masks since my guess the 1800's or even older than that maybe. i dunno when they started so i'm just taking a guess, i've never heard any story by any doctor or anyone that wearing a mask are something that will give you trouble breathing.  if it was that way doctors sure as hell would not be wearing them for that long nor would anyone for that matter.

and yes there are people well i already said what i did about how 5 year olds listen better than these people do. and Erik the viking and oldie from (1989) a bad film but a fun bad movie.

and iv'e seen it many times too. and yes people are that stupid it's sad but it's true


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on July 03, 2020, 05:03:59 AM
Did you hear about the infection parties?

Maybe rather than placing bets on who catches it first, they could have ran a death pool.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 03, 2020, 08:10:01 AM
yes i did, also did you hear about that Republican who was at Trump's Rally last week wasn't it? and he slammed masks on twitter and all that and than 19 hrs later he was diagnosed with Covid-19 i call that justice/karma not that i want him to die i don't but i have a hard time feeling anything for anyone who is that stupid.

anyways, Our Neighbors across the street are throwing a party tonight, my question is uh WHY? we aren't going but we were invited and it's yeah gonna be outside but not that is gonna matter, if they want to get covid i guess let them cause they sure as s**t won't listen i'm sure.

i forget the name of the poltician sorry for my bad spelling who got covid-19 but he's black and now that i think about it, i'm actually shocked that Trump even has any blacks work for him with him being Racist and all. but than the money must be good and they must have no problems with selling their soul to the devil aka bunker boy



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on July 03, 2020, 08:15:01 AM
I hope Herman Cain survives, and I hope his hospitalization shocks Trump supporters.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: claws on July 03, 2020, 12:33:46 PM
A new level of stupidity. What is wrong with people?

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGONKk6GVnk#)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: bob on July 03, 2020, 03:08:52 PM
today myself and every other sub in the school district I work in was given a bulls**t survey for the school district

all our answers will be recorded by the school district

we were asked how comfortable we feel about returning to school in the fall

so essentially I'm being asked to choose between my health and the means of making of money and possibly get fired if I tell them the truth

this is bulls**t


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on July 03, 2020, 07:35:00 PM
So you-know-who shows up on my YouTube channel again, berating me for not wearing a mask in my latest video - WHEN I WAS IN A RIVERBED MILES FROM CIVILIZATION!!!   Good old "Barack Clinton," AKA our one and only Svengoolie!
Fortunately I discovered some time back that I can simply delete all his comments.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 03, 2020, 07:35:46 PM
yep it does, i get that they are talking about doing it but before they force anyone back to work they should wait to see how bad it gets first before they reopen anything. cause i don't like the idea of not only the teachers etc.. getting sick but the kids as well when keeping them home and safe is the way to go for now. it's not gonna be forever though.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on July 03, 2020, 11:14:44 PM
A new level of stupidity. What is wrong with people?

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGONKk6GVnk#[/url])


Pecker stains who should be strapped to a chair and beaten with hammers!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 04, 2020, 12:26:43 AM
did anyone see Bunker Boy's son Jr's GF has the virus now? i dunno if he was with her but yep she's got it, i wonder if Jr has it now?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 04, 2020, 12:53:57 AM
well i guess Jr. doesn't have it, but get this guys  i just saw on yahoo news that Trump now said this https://www.yahoo.com/gma/coronavirus-updates-arizona-bar-allowed-employees-covid-19-111800268--abc-news-topstories.html (https://www.yahoo.com/gma/coronavirus-updates-arizona-bar-allowed-employees-covid-19-111800268--abc-news-topstories.html)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on July 06, 2020, 11:30:16 AM
Visualization showing how fast Covid-19 became the #1 cause of global death in 2020.

https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2944635/?fbclid=IwAR3xTTeXWAXYDYhhBhVI_7Ud2zQ9laieGaZyXHevFrck9YhiEolx_nFjqZ4


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Jim H on July 06, 2020, 05:19:05 PM
Visualization showing how fast Covid-19 became the #1 cause of global death in 2020.

https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2944635/?fbclid=IwAR3xTTeXWAXYDYhhBhVI_7Ud2zQ9laieGaZyXHevFrck9YhiEolx_nFjqZ4

A bit of clarification, I think this chart is just comparing it to a variety of well-known and common causes to give perspective on how bad it is, not compare it to total global deaths period.  For example, cancer kills over 9 million a year, strokes over 5 million, car accidents over 1 million, etc.  Though a bit of an aside, I'd say when all the numbers are added up including the many deaths being missed in official counts, it's quite likely to top car accidents by year end.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on July 06, 2020, 05:49:57 PM
Visualization showing how fast Covid-19 became the #1 cause of global death in 2020.

https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2944635/?fbclid=IwAR3xTTeXWAXYDYhhBhVI_7Ud2zQ9laieGaZyXHevFrck9YhiEolx_nFjqZ4

A bit of clarification, I think this chart is just comparing it to a variety of well-known and common causes to give perspective on how bad it is, not compare it to total global deaths period.  For example, cancer kills over 9 million a year, strokes over 5 million, car accidents over 1 million, etc.  Though a bit of an aside, I'd say when all the numbers are added up including the many deaths being missed in official counts, it's quite likely to top car accidents by year end.

You are correct, Jim, thank you for correcting my error.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 06, 2020, 07:37:56 PM
either way it's messed up on how many lives this virus has killed and how little the white house seems to care about it that's just plain messed up


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on July 07, 2020, 11:57:34 AM
Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro has tested positive for the coronavirus.

"Bolsonaro has attempted to downplay the virus since the country saw an uptick of cases beginning in March and has cycled through three health directors due to constant disagreements about the handling of the virus, which has killed more than 65,000 Brazilians to date. He has repeatedly flouted pushes to wear a mask..."

https://www.foxnews.com/world/brazilian-president-bolsonaro-tests-positive-for-coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/world/brazilian-president-bolsonaro-tests-positive-for-coronavirus)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 07, 2020, 12:33:01 PM
If not for the protests it would probably be over


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on July 07, 2020, 12:55:05 PM
If not for the protests it would probably be over

^  :lookingup:

Ok, if you wanna play that game...
No it wouldn't- because Trump is still having his rallies!  :tongueout:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on July 07, 2020, 02:00:30 PM
If not for the protests it would probably be over

C'mon, that's just silly.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on July 07, 2020, 02:02:56 PM
If Dr.Donald Dump had taken this s**t serious from day one instead of just stoking a hate war, we wouldn't have the f**king riots! If this half baked 'wanna be a cowboy!' moron con artist from NYC paid attention to the real problems in this country which is going threw some serious growing pains right now and a pandemic !, instead of stating some WWF , National Enquirer, apes**t nonsense is true...well f**k.

But there are so many folks out there that think the aliens are going to attack, the Earth is flat, and there is a Nazi base in Antartica. So, I ain't really surprised. It' f^cking amazing how stupid people are.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on July 07, 2020, 02:03:51 PM
If not for the protests it would probably be over

C'mon, that's just silly.

That would not be the word I would use.  :hatred:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on July 07, 2020, 02:04:42 PM

But there are so many folks out there that think the aliens are going to attack, the Earth is flat, and there is a Nazi base in Antartica.

Yeah, those in the know, are aware that the real Nazi base is on the moon.  :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on July 07, 2020, 04:00:48 PM

But there are so many folks out there that think the aliens are going to attack, the Earth is flat, and there is a Nazi base in Antartica.

Yeah, those in the know, are aware that the real Nazi base is on the moon.  :bouncegiggle:

Now, now, gentlemen.  This is a bad movie forum.
We cannot overlook the possibility that there are Nazi bases in BOTH those locations!!
(And in the Amazon, too!)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on July 07, 2020, 04:19:46 PM

But there are so many folks out there that think the aliens are going to attack, the Earth is flat, and there is a Nazi base in Antartica.

Yeah, those in the know, are aware that the real Nazi base is on the moon.  :bouncegiggle:

Now, now, gentlemen.  This is a bad movie forum.
We cannot overlook the possibility that there are Nazi bases in BOTH those locations!!
(And in the Amazon, too!)

If he mentions the ones at the centre of the earth do we need to shoot him for knowing too much?


Asking for a friend.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: claws on July 07, 2020, 05:02:28 PM
Trump has officially begun to withdraw the US from the World Health Organization as pandemic spikes

Quote
WASHINGTON – The Trump administration has officially begun to withdraw the United States from the World Health Organization, even as the COVID-19 pandemic continues to grip the globe and infections spike in many states across the U.S. 

Congress received formal notification of the decision on Tuesday, more than a month after President Donald Trump announced his intention to end the U.S. relationship with the WHO and blasted the multilateral institution as a tool of China. The White House said the withdrawal would take effect on July 6, 2021.

usatoday.com (https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/07/07/covid-19-trump-officially-withdraws-us-world-health-organization/5391909002/)

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Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on July 07, 2020, 05:29:52 PM
Trump has officially begun to withdraw the US from the World Health Organization as pandemic spikes

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WASHINGTON – The Trump administration has officially begun to withdraw the United States from the World Health Organization, even as the COVID-19 pandemic continues to grip the globe and infections spike in many states across the U.S.  

Congress received formal notification of the decision on Tuesday, more than a month after President Donald Trump announced his intention to end the U.S. relationship with the WHO and blasted the multilateral institution as a tool of China. The White House said the withdrawal would take effect on July 6, 2021.

usatoday.com (https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/07/07/covid-19-trump-officially-withdraws-us-world-health-organization/5391909002/)

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I can't see any possible upside to this move for the American people at this time.  :question: I mean, even if you thought it was a waste of money, wait until AFTER the pandemic to withdraw. EDIT: Nevermind, it wouldn't take place for a year. In all likelihood Biden will just rescind the order. Or Trump will flip flop again. Still, the optics are terrible. I sometimes wonder if he really IS trying to throw the election.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 07, 2020, 07:44:02 PM
well let's be fair if the cops hadn't killed  George Floyd the riots wouldn't have happened and if they also weren't around killing innocent blacks the riots would not have happened &  if Trump had actually cared about another human being other than himself the pandemic wouldn't have gone this far this bad, and if we didn't have so much dumb f**ks  who refuse to wear mask and think that Donald Trump walks on water like Jesus himself than we wouldn't have this bad. people wouldn't this fed up either if he actually gave a damn about this country instead running it like a freaking business which isn't how a country should be run. if this or that etc..

this is an argument nobody will win cause it's not gonna change the fact we have a guy who prefers golf over doing his job. we have a president who looks at himself in the mirror each morning and prolly turns himself on. either way i pray that we don't have another 4 years with this clown and honestly i really doubt he even wants to even be the president at all, he loves the power and everything that comes with it but the work however..... the thing is he hates to lose his ego is just to big for that. even though all of us here have lost in some form all our lives on certain things.

and had Trump's family would have actually been there and said no you can't have this or that and here's why he wouldn't be the way he is, well maybe i dunno but who knows he may not be like this. either way he's got the biggest ego i've ever seen on anyone i've ever met in my life or anyone else on this planet i think alive or dead


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 07, 2020, 08:48:48 PM
Rev- you don't think the massive protests where no social distancing was observed had any effect on the spread of corona?


New York, which was headed down in coronovirus cases just reported its biggest day ever https://nypost.com/2020/07/03/ny-reports-918-new-virus-infections-9-covid-19-deaths/

pennywise - sorry to be so cynical but ultimately the protest and riots were a result of people being BORED more than anything else. WHy else would they have expanded into protests for transexual and gay rights? what does that have to do with george Floyd? People wanted to go outside


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on July 07, 2020, 09:55:36 PM
Rev- you don't think the massive protests where no social distancing was observed had any effect on the spread of corona?


I absolutely do! We agree!

I don't believe that "If not for the protests it would probably be over." We weren't anywhere near beating covid for good when the protests started.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 08, 2020, 12:39:18 AM
some of them were bored yes, but some of them i do think were tired like i am of blacks being killed by the cops, part of it prolly was boredom the virus getting worse i don't think is just the people who are in the riots.

we are i hear at Level 2 here and we don't have those around here, as far as i'm aware i think it was Huron or Grafton i forget which has a Level 3 and i never go there anyways. and i've heard nothing  about riots being there either, this is Ohio by the way. the #1 reason it's gotten so worse is that people are stupid and not listening to what the doctors are saying and not wearing masks and not giving a damn pretty much about anyone else.

there are so many stupid people out there that the riots can't be blamed for everything simply because there isn't riots in every place in the USA and they have places in the red. but i will say that i went out Friday and yesterday and i saw more people wearing masks than the ones who weren't so it's a start. 2 or 3 weeks ago when i last went out and i was at the Giant Eagle there were way too many people without them.



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on July 08, 2020, 01:25:51 AM


pennywise - sorry to be so cynical but ultimately the protest and riots were a result of people being BORED more than anything else. WHy else would they have expanded into protests for transexual and gay rights? what does that have to do with george Floyd? People wanted to go outside

That's nonsense.

WHY it expanded, my friend, is because ALL folks who are treated like second hand citizens are protesting this  "DUH!?" rich brat who is against anybody who isn't worshipping HIM !
We have a President who demeans Mexicans, blacks, gays, or anybody from those "s**t countrys".
He treats women like things that can be bought. He's a scumbag.
 We are all in this together. THAT would be being an American.
I think I will believe science and actual court documents before...ah f**k.  :bluesad:
I don't know why I bother. Sorry Lester. I wish I could help you.  :bluesad:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 08, 2020, 02:03:51 AM
it's a number of reasons was my point not just one reason. but having people refuse to wear masks and not give a rat's ass about anyone but themselves isn't helping it either.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on July 08, 2020, 02:08:01 AM
it's a number of reasons was my point not just one reason. but having people refuse to wear masks and not give a rat's ass about anyone but themselves isn't helping it either.

I wasn't jumping you, Pennywise, I was preaching to Lester.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 08, 2020, 12:12:12 PM
The number of people attending trump rallies or refusing to wear masks pales in comparison to the millions worldwide in the streets.

whether you support the protests or not, it was obviously in conflict with the guidelines for Covid.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: El Misfit on July 08, 2020, 12:40:15 PM
I think I'm confused. Why is wearing a mask to a protest bad when the protestors are all wearing masks?  Matter of fact why is wearing a mask a political thing? If anything it's a flimsy excuse to be "free" when all it does is showcase people being adult babies?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 08, 2020, 12:58:51 PM
the protester weren't all wearing masks. and the rioters weren't either

my point isn't that refusing to wear a mask is smart or mature but that the overall effect from that can't possibly be even close to millions of people marching next to each other in the streets, chanting sweating etc




Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: WingedSerpent on July 08, 2020, 04:58:53 PM
Somebody at my place of work apparently tested positive for Covid-19. 

(yeah, lucky me.  My low paying warehouse job is considered essential so I actually haven't been affected by quarantine as much as some other people.  I''ve  been going back to school, to get something better)

We try to maintain social distancing, and all that other stuff-but I feel closer to actually getting it then I have been in the last few months.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on July 08, 2020, 06:08:18 PM
The protests were not a thing about boredom. .   This has been a long, long time coming, and inevitable.

We need to have change in our society, and the privileged have to become aware of the reality of their situation and the reality of the racism in our systems (in America).  The numbers show this.

It's absolutely true, I believe, that Americans can't collectively focus enough on the common good to very strongly hold to social distancing in all states.  Too many greedy bastards and really bad leaders.  In pockets and places, we've done a good job.   But in lots of places, not, or not for a sustained period of time.    The numbers show this, too.

Trump rallies are something we love to hate, but they aren't the big problem.

The protests were probably deleterious to our covid progress, but they aren't of itself the big problem.

The big problem is that we *do not care* as a society about each other as we should, we *do not admit* the iniquities in our systems, and we have not made the changes we need, so far, to let there be justice.

of course, human justice sucks and will always suck.   Only before God, when He makes an end of all these systems, will there be justice.  That's my belief.   

Let's take it down to a simple, observable thing, masks.  We know they help; everyone should wear them.   Pretty simple, right?   But look how we've done with that.  Here in the state of Washington, a good six weeks ago I counted 13 out of 20 people masked at a grocery store.   Only just now has the governor decreed universal masking and if you don't wear a mask, a business has the right to throw your ass out, unserved.    *NOW* I see most everyone wearing a mask.   Still not everyone though, but a lot closer.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on July 08, 2020, 06:18:14 PM
What kills me is that the White House gets tested daily! And me sweetie Tiana gets tested once a week. And she's a RNA at a nursing home!  :hatred:
Yet Trump won't where a mask!
ARRRRGGGHHH...

(https://i.imgur.com/dmkvxdN.gif) (https://lunapic.com)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 08, 2020, 07:26:55 PM
oh sorry about that RC i thought you meant me, yeah that is messed up i'm glad your wife is still getting tested but not as quite as often as she'd like no doubt.
anyways, the number #1 reason is that people are stupid that's why it's gotten so bad, i do agree that these riots were going to happen at some point may it be during a virus or in another lifetime it would have happened at some point.

it's also bringing out the racist idiots out even more than usual it seems too. my thoughts may be all over the place that's true but there is just so much Bullsh*t  out there these days that i can't always keep track of it. i'm against the looters those need to stop i think, ya know they really need to pay attention to what these people are saying and not just saying black lives matter and dress up etc... actually do something to prove to the people and once they see it's actually in motion the protests may stop.

i also agree i've seen video on the news that a lot of people out there do have masks on, not everyone does and it's also true that with everyone sweating as well,

but it's at least outside where Bunker Boy's Rally was inside which is even worse. as far as i'm aware of i don't know anyone who is even the riots does anyone here know anyone who's in one?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 08, 2020, 07:48:29 PM
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The protests were not a thing about boredom. .   This has been a long, long time coming, and inevitable.

We need to have change in our society, and the privileged have to become aware of the reality of their situation and the reality of the racism in our systems (in America).  The numbers show this.


believe that if you want, but from a public health perspective WHY people were in the streets makes ZERO difference


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Jim H on July 09, 2020, 11:55:25 AM
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The protests were not a thing about boredom. .   This has been a long, long time coming, and inevitable.

We need to have change in our society, and the privileged have to become aware of the reality of their situation and the reality of the racism in our systems (in America).  The numbers show this.


believe that if you want, but from a public health perspective WHY people were in the streets makes ZERO difference

As an aside, I think it's fair to point out there's absolutely been hypocrisy in how people treat different protests in this era.  Honestly, I think anyone suggesting otherwise isn't looking at it very closely.  To be clear, I get some people saying "it's not different danger wise, but X protest is more worth it", agree or disagree - I get that logic.   But a lot of people completely ignored the danger entirely when they were more sympathetic to the protest.  I'll say a lot of big media pieces did point it out (I remember CNN having some stuff on it), but a ton of friendly coverage did not.  It was hard not to notice the difference in mainstream media coverage VS the protests in Michigan and so forth, in regards to spreading COVID.

Oh, one difference that's kind of interesting from another perspective - quite a few people in Europe were absolutely FURIOUS over a lot of the solidarity protests over there, especially in the UK.

That said...  From what they've been finding so far (via tracing those at protests who it turned out had COVID, there's now been a few attempts on this out there), the protests didn't spread it nearly as much as a lot of people were afraid.  The general thinking now is that being outdoors greatly reduces the chances of transmission period, even more than they originally thought.  Which is a good thing, really.  You can also typically see this where the cases are greatly increasing VS where they are not - New York City had huge protests in tight outdoor spaces, and their caseload is relatively steady for instance.  Based on what they're saying now, it's looking like the states that allowed congregation in crowded indoor places like bars and restaurants indoors are one of the biggest sources of the resurgence - a commonality of California, Texas, Florida, Arizona, etc.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 09, 2020, 03:47:50 PM
i just our area is now at Level 3 it was level 2 before, and Cuyhoga county not near where i live here in ohio is now apparently at Level 4.  thankfully i don't live there.  they just announced that today on the news actually


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on July 09, 2020, 04:19:07 PM
Quote
The protests were not a thing about boredom. .   This has been a long, long time coming, and inevitable.

We need to have change in our society, and the privileged have to become aware of the reality of their situation and the reality of the racism in our systems (in America).  The numbers show this.


believe that if you want, but from a public health perspective WHY people were in the streets makes ZERO difference

As an aside, I think it's fair to point out there's absolutely been hypocrisy in how people treat different protests in this era.  Honestly, I think anyone suggesting otherwise isn't looking at it very closely.  To be clear, I get some people saying "it's not different danger wise, but X protest is more worth it", agree or disagree - I get that logic.   But a lot of people completely ignored the danger entirely when they were more sympathetic to the protest.  I'll say a lot of big media pieces did point it out (I remember CNN having some stuff on it), but a ton of friendly coverage did not.  It was hard not to notice the difference in mainstream media coverage VS the protests in Michigan and so forth, in regards to spreading COVID.

Oh, one difference that's kind of interesting from another perspective - quite a few people in Europe were absolutely FURIOUS over a lot of the solidarity protests over there, especially in the UK.

That said...  From what they've been finding so far (via tracing those at protests who it turned out had COVID, there's now been a few attempts on this out there), the protests didn't spread it nearly as much as a lot of people were afraid.  The general thinking now is that being outdoors greatly reduces the chances of transmission period, even more than they originally thought.  Which is a good thing, really.  You can also typically see this where the cases are greatly increasing VS where they are not - New York City had huge protests in tight outdoor spaces, and their caseload is relatively steady for instance.  Based on what they're saying now, it's looking like the states that allowed congregation in crowded indoor places like bars and restaurants indoors are one of the biggest sources of the resurgence - a commonality of California, Texas, Florida, Arizona, etc.

I agree with Jim. Protests weren't good for COVID spread, but they weren't the only factor in the spike.

In other news, KY "mandated" masks in public today. With no real enforcement, I doubt it will increase mask-wearing too much.  We're sure to see a ton of anti-mask protests from "patriots."


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on July 09, 2020, 05:55:43 PM

it's also bringing out the racist idiots out even more than usual it seems too. my thoughts may be all over the place that's true but there is just so much Bullsh*t  out there these days that i can't always keep track of it. i'm against the looters those need to stop i think, ya know they really need to pay attention to what these people are saying and not just saying black lives matter and dress up etc... actually do something to prove to the people and once they see it's actually in motion the protests may stop.


Looting is a form of protest though. You're a racist for saying or even thinking otherwise. You are showing your true colors, virtue boy. The Boston Tea Party did the same exact thing and were praised as heroes for doing so.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on July 09, 2020, 06:19:36 PM
 ^ Holy Moly! Where do you live in Alaska? In a town with 3 people?

I think your a brat- or maybe a snowflake on most anything, and are just here to start a fire.
You think your special because of one reason or another. Ain't that what you Trumpers call the rest of the world? Yet I see more whining and crying from Trumpers than anyone else. Gimme a break.  :lookingup:
You think your entitled, because your white. Of course you told me your an Indian.
Ok. If that's true- your still a f**king idiot for what I just said.

Pennywise is a person with compassion. Your a scumbag troll.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 09, 2020, 07:12:59 PM
thank you, i try to see both sides i do, but i don't know much about the boston tea party other than it did happen, History was never one of my strong subjects in school and i don't remember a lot, see if something isn't of my interest like history i'm not going to remember it.

how can i be a racist, i've got a cousin who is mixed, my uncle is married to a very sweet black woman. some of my best friends are black yet i'm racist?

i have nothing against Indians either in fact i don't like the fact that the whites stole the property from them back than. i talk to anyone who's any color i don't care what color you are. if you treat me with respect i treat you with respect i never use the N word at all as i cannot stand it and i swear like a sailor, i've even said to friends at work that before the pandemic hit and they thought about it for a minute and said you know what your right.

i also cannot stand bunker boy, there is a lot of ways to protest without stealing stuff, a lot of people do protest on the net that's true, some of the reason isn't because they are to chicken to show their faces, it's just that some people don't want to go out and catch the virus so it's safer to do it online rather than seek it out. there's nobody around here anyways that's protesting i live in the middle of BFE there's closest town is like i think 7 or 8 miles from my house & it's just a little town anyways.

in fact we are at Level 3 and apparently if we go out without masks now we can get a ticket, that worries me none at all because i always wear a mask when i'm out anyways. the only time i don't is when i'm in the car


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 09, 2020, 09:19:31 PM
the Boston tea Party they dumped the tea in the water they DID NOT steal it. Bostonian here


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 10, 2020, 12:43:46 AM
really? i'm glad there's someone from there to let me know cause i didn't know that, so he was wrong? well good that's nice to hear


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on July 10, 2020, 02:17:45 AM
the Boston tea Party they dumped the tea in the water they DID NOT steal it. Bostonian here

It was not their tea that was dumped. Hence, they looted it! Please educate yourself:

https://www.bostonteapartyship.com/boston-tea-party-facts (https://www.bostonteapartyship.com/boston-tea-party-facts)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on July 10, 2020, 02:19:30 AM
^ Holy Moly! Where do you live in Alaska? In a town with 3 people?

I think your a brat- or maybe a snowflake on most anything, and are just here to start a fire.
You think your special because of one reason or another. Ain't that what you Trumpers call the rest of the world? Yet I see more whining and crying from Trumpers than anyone else. Gimme a break.  :lookingup:
You think your entitled, because your white. Of course you told me your an Indian.
Ok. If that's true- your still a f**king idiot for what I just said.

Pennywise is a person with compassion. Your a scumbag troll.

Are you drunk?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on July 10, 2020, 03:36:52 AM
^ Yeah! But I can sober up!  :drink:
You'll always be a pinhead!   :twirl:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 10, 2020, 03:42:47 AM
it's funny you say that cause i just got done listening to the Audio Commentary on the blu-ray of  (1991)'s Puppetmaster 3: Toulon's Revenge. a pretty good commentary too.

having said that i was just reading some news on yahoo and how messed up is this? https://www.yahoo.com/news/feel-threatened-unmasked-florida-mans-165515391.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/feel-threatened-unmasked-florida-mans-165515391.html)

this is guy is such a douche bag for doing this and i'm thrilled that he lost his job over this he freaking deserved it


this also is just so messed up https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-flies-nazi-flag-car-211916097.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-flies-nazi-flag-car-211916097.html)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on July 10, 2020, 09:39:17 AM
My local sportswriter puts America's situation pretty succinctly: "We'd rather fight each other than fight this virus."


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 10, 2020, 02:19:26 PM
i'm not a sports guy at all but that is exactly 100% correct


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on July 10, 2020, 02:20:44 PM
^ Yeah! But I can sober up!  :drink:
You'll always be a pinhead!   :twirl:


In vino veritas.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on July 10, 2020, 05:26:48 PM
My local sportswriter puts America's situation pretty succinctly: "We'd rather fight each other than fight this virus."


I shared that sentiment in my status just now and guess what?

People started fighting!

CASE PROVED.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: bob on July 10, 2020, 05:54:13 PM
re: the push for schools reopening

as a teacher, I'm going to essentially I'm being asked to choose between my health and the means of supporting myself

I'm also still waiting for my pandemic unemployment

I do not feel comfortable at all about going back to work

virtually no one in my neck of the woods gives a s**t wearing a mask

I'm hopelessly f**ked and am going to more or less going to be forced to work when the time comes :(


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 11, 2020, 12:44:18 AM
i'm sorry to hear that Bob i hope it works out for you, anyways i was on a stream tonight and they were talking about the idiots who refuse to wear masks & someone said something i 100% agree with and that's i think that they did catch the virus but it's only affecting their brains cause it's making them dumber it's not effecting anything else though.

i wish i had thought of that one


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: claws on July 11, 2020, 01:17:25 AM
The reproduction rate here in Germany dropped to 0,66 even though experts are still warning of a second wave of infections most likely starting in August / September. We shall see...


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on July 11, 2020, 01:47:15 AM
The reproduction rate here in Germany dropped to 0,66 even though experts are still warning of a second wave of infections most likely starting in August / September. We shall see...

Needs to happen here in the States. Quit putting more stupid people on this planet.
I am really p**sed that Trump acts like nothing is happining. "its so good!" " So great!"
 So full of s**t!  :bluesad:
" I will hire the best people-" all his best people he has fired, and all his ex- friends are writing books and running like cock roaches when you pick up the old toaster.
He's a narcissist of the worst kind.
"thats why Nascar has so low ratings!"
No it doesn't.
Waaait a minute? Is he still worried about his ratings? WTF? Is he still doing that f**king TV show ?
And he's putting his money on the confederate flag. During race riots. George Wallace- eat your heart out! While saying- we have to quit testing. This man is a megalomaniac.
What f**king planet is he on?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 11, 2020, 01:59:51 AM
you know what they say stupid people are born every day


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on July 11, 2020, 08:57:18 AM
Interestingly, after the governor announced the "mandatory" mask policy (which was put on hold by the courts), I noticed that 90-95% of people were wearing masks at the grocery store. The week before it was about 60%. So just the announcement was apparently a good thing in the short run, even though there's no enforcement. It reminded people that this thing isn't over yet.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on July 11, 2020, 11:22:25 AM
I saw on the local news that a 30 year old in San Antonio contracted the virus and died after attending a "COVID party."
He told the nurse before he died: "I thought this was a hoax, but it wasn't."
What the h*** did he expect?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: claws on July 11, 2020, 01:15:46 PM
It's surreal that people still think this is a hoax. What is their malfunction? I just don't understand.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on July 11, 2020, 01:32:34 PM
I saw on the local news that a 30 year old in San Antonio contracted the virus and died after attending a "COVID party."
He told the nurse before he died: "I thought this was a hoax, but it wasn't."
What the h*** did he expect?

What really p**ses me off is this young man died because he thought it was a "hoax".
Where did he get that idea from?  :hatred:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 11, 2020, 07:50:55 PM
1stly there are a lot of Wrestling Fans and i don't think they all vote for Trump to be fair but a great number of them i'm sure do. i cannot stand Wrestling i know it's fake and i know people have gotten hurt doing it don't get me wrong and that is the argument i always get well you can still get hurt & this is from people know it's fake and don't care one way or another, now the real stuff that you see in high school or College that stuff is of course real.

as for these Dickless moron's who refuse to acknowledge that it's real prolly have sex with their mother & are dumb as a pile of Dog Sh*t.   now get this you ready... sorry couldn't resist in doing that, on my celly today it popped up that Bunker Boy went to visit some hospital and he actually WORE A MASK! sorry for the all caps but i nearly fell over in shock. i wonder if someone forced him to wear it ?

i dunno i don't really care for that matter i'm just shocked he was wearing one, ya know here's a thought if he actually goes around everyday wearing one which i really doubt will happen than maybe this Cult will start wearing one if they see he doesn't. but i doubt that will happen either way and yes people are that stupid.

i streamer i watched last night said it best if i voted for Bernie Sanders and he said don't wear a mask i'm not gonna listen to him i'm gonna still wear one you can actually think for yourself you know.  you don't have to follow someone blindly just cause you voted for them,

and he's right and i've never seen this type of loyalty to any president in my entire life which is why i also call it a Cult cause what does any cult leader do? i don't need to say what it is cause we all know the answer  to that one


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Newt on July 12, 2020, 11:41:59 AM
It's surreal that people still think this is a hoax. What is their malfunction? I just don't understand.

Thank you, claws.  I am stealing that. "What is your malfunction?" will go over so much better than " What is wrong with you? " or "Are you stupid??".  I am truly grateful.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 12, 2020, 12:42:46 PM
the "guy who won't wear his mask" is kind of a straw man imo. New york has had massive protests and riots every day for months, but the coronavirus is coming back because of a guy in a viral video in alabama or something okay


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 12, 2020, 04:17:49 PM
i hear now that The #1 source of fake news about the virus is face F**k  that's what i call it.  i also like that term as well


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on July 12, 2020, 06:34:59 PM
"Florida shatters largest single-day record of coronavirus infections": https://www.foxnews.com/health/florida-coronavirus-record (https://www.foxnews.com/health/florida-coronavirus-record)

I have a friend who's an MD in Florida, on Facebook he seems very stressed and pessimistic. Trying to pass along good information and he's frustrated that not enough people are listening.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 12, 2020, 07:44:42 PM
i cannot even imagine what he must be going through let alone have to put up all these morons who refuse to wear masks.

you guys forgot to mention that Disney is now open to the public  WOO HOO Florida's cases are getting higher each day WTF Disney? 

Disney was doing things right for quite awhile i think but than they stopped paying their staff and i know they had said they were gonna open in July and it was a smart move when it was Announced but now that it's July and the Virus is even worse in Florida they should never have opened up


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 12, 2020, 09:21:13 PM
again, the idea that the 12 people in viral videos who won't wear masks are causing the  second wave of corona is silly. millions of people were and are still in the streets chanting and not social distancing, many are also rioting and not wearing masks as they do so.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: El Misfit on July 12, 2020, 11:11:22 PM
The second wave is more or less the first wave imo.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 13, 2020, 01:45:00 AM
yeah but i don't think it's the second wave i think it's still the 1st wave. anyone else think it's the 2nd wave?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on July 13, 2020, 02:10:35 AM
Depends. Have you had a lowering of numbers for a sustained period and then an increase. If not, then you are still in the first wave.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 13, 2020, 03:07:12 AM
right now they are going up here in ohio, on where i live which is in BFE we are now at a Level 3 and i'm hoping it doesn't get worse than that cause i'm trying to lose weight i don't want to be forced to stay inside the house by law or however that would work? we got enough property that i can walk and not leave it,

so far i've lost like around 15 lbs or so and i plan on losing more. i'm using this pandemic a time to lose the weight i've been putting off for years. since i'm not working what else is there to do ya know? i got to stay busy Somehow so that's what i've been trying to do


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on July 13, 2020, 03:47:21 AM
You are doing well there then. I was hearing the average person in the US has gained 16 pounds during the pandemic. No idea if that is true or not, but I would expect people to gain weight when they are stuck in the house between less exercise and comfort / boredom eating.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 13, 2020, 04:39:15 AM
you would be correct i think there are no doubt a lot of people gaining weight that's not even a question.  but i'm 5'7 or is it 5'6 it's nearly 5:30 am here so bear with me. my heaviest was 217 lbs. when i started this diet i was weighing 212 lbs. at first i did eat quite a bit but honestly i got tired of it cause on how i was thinking this was when things were going fast  from stores not just Toilet Paper my thoughts were i want the food to last and my other thoughts were

when i was working i was eating  way too damn much, when i was working i'd eat too much like 4 of 5 times a day.  and i drank pop and had far too much sugar.

and on how i was thinking since i've been stuck at home i don't have to eat that anymore so i decided we got 15 acres here i believe. i don't know how long i'm gonna be off i've not worked since March. so i looked at myself in the mirror and i decided i needed to lose weight that this is the perfect time to do so, plus another factor was them saying that the Virus was really affecting people who were obese and killing them pretty damn fast.

i don't want to go out like that, if i have my way i want to be in my 90's when i die, so that did scare me actually and so i decided to do something about it
and so every day i grab my ipod and yes i still use one and i do about 10 laps each day.  i even have one of those watches where they count your steps now

and Saturday i ended up walking no joke 3.5 miles and now my weight is around 196 lbs or so. still to fat i think but my goal is to get to at least 150.

i've got back on a lot of stuff, i started to drink a lot of water they say when it's really cold that's good for you so i freeze it in the freezer each night and let it thaw when i take it out. i went from weighing a size 36 which is what i've been at for like 10 years or so and i bought some new shorts recently and some of them are size 33 and some are size 32.  both fit me but it's like shoes man, i can wear an 8,0r 9 or 10 depending on the shoe.

i'm fitting into clothes better and so far i can fit into size XL when i was wearing size XXX before mostly XX but i'm a guy who isn't one of those fat people who like their clothes tight on me that's just disgusting  i think. even my neighbor recently noticed my weight loss actually.

i have to think positive in today's messed up world or else i'm gonna go nuts and with all that's going on these days ya gotta stay sane ya know?

i still got a long way to go but i'm hoping that before Fall it's down way further



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on July 13, 2020, 07:44:50 AM
Good for you on losing weight penny!  :thumbup:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: El Misfit on July 13, 2020, 12:37:55 PM
The Governor of Louisiana has made it a mandate to wear a mask in public and a lot of people are angry about it. My thought is that some still believes that Covid is a hoax, and others know that they should but wont because the governor is making it a mandate to wear it. I just don't understand the latter.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: claws on July 13, 2020, 01:22:41 PM
(https://timesofsandiego.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Huntington-Beach-Protest.jpg)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on July 13, 2020, 03:24:26 PM
I would point out though that a 100% infection rate would be an unlikely scenario.


(https://i.imgur.com/nsdtr0Y.jpg)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 13, 2020, 04:26:37 PM
Thank You Rev. also did anyone notice that picture that dumb B***h is has a sign that says Plandemic  which goes to show how poorly educated those people are.  why why why is it such a BIG F***Ing  deal about wearing a mask i don't get it why not just shut the hell up and just wear one, when i was a kid i did get into a lot of trouble i'm not gonna lie, but my mom's a Retired RN one thing i knew even as a kid that when it comes to that kind of stuff is i never questioned it


but if a pandemic had happened back when i was a kid and i said why ? she would have told me and i would have said okay and i would have worn a mask. why ? because i wasn't stupid enough not to listen when it came to things like that.  i never tried to fake my temperature  for one thing cause i would have been found out right away for example. these people need someone to tell them and explain to them and some of them may listen but many others won't.

i doubt it's gonna reach 99.99% like in the book "The Stand' i don't think it's gonna get that bad but in the book it's the entire population not just  in the states i don't think. i think we will have a cure before it gets that bad but people are just plain stupid i don't think anyone can understand these people cause not everyone is that damn stupid.  has anyone noticed that  you really haven't seen any kids say NO Mask etc... why? because most kids aren't stupid they pay attention and see what's going on and  if they like me are explained why we need to wear a mask etc.. most of them listen i think.

it's the adults that are have the lower IQ than Forrest Gump in fact Gump is Einstein compared to these people because if he were real he'd put a mask on


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on July 13, 2020, 05:04:26 PM
There has been a study carried out which points to people who are against wearing masks tending to have cognitive dissonance issues.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on July 13, 2020, 06:56:47 PM
eight of my friends are dead. 4 of them were nurses. 3 more are likely to be disabled for life. my baby sister will have heart issues AND blood clot issues and be on medication for the rest of her life. my niece who works on the covid floor calls me in tears at least once a week because of the people who died, and those that she knows will never truly recover. i am trapped in my home and my husband has to bag up his clothes and disinfect his shoes EVERY NIGHT  in order to protect MY health, and the only reason he is working is because YOU AHOLES WANT A GOD DAMNED HAIRCUT OR YOUR NAILS DONE!!!!  my county is now known nationwide as a hotspot due the douchebags who refuse to wear masks. these same douchebags are willing to risk their children's & family's lives by reopening the schools full time JUST because they're tired of taking care of THEIR OWN CHILDREN.
  and to all of them i say this- don't want to wear a mask? then take your president's advice and drink bleach. off yourself before you kill someone else with your stupidity and callousness, this world doesn't need you, period. GO DIE, DOUCHEBAG, BEFORE YOU KILL ME!  :hatred:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 13, 2020, 07:05:07 PM
1stly i'm sorry so sorry you've had to suffer that much and i don't think i'm alone here in saying that either. 2ndly i dunno how you did it but you were pretty clean on how ya felt. when i got off on certain sites where i am able to do so i am swearing right and left i really let it  fly. how you held back i dunno how you did it cause i have a feeling you were holding back.

anyways here's more stupidity this article goes to an old saying that is prolly older than all of us here no doubt and that's this person is stuck on stupid to add my 2 cents in i think someone super glued stupid into him or branded  into his skin cause he's just stuck on stupid.

here it is https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-identifies-another-hoax-the-coronavirus-152649383.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-identifies-another-hoax-the-coronavirus-152649383.html)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 14, 2020, 10:15:46 PM
well get this i prolly already said that i now have one of those watches where you can count your steps and tonight no joke i walked 4.1 miles!  i never in a million years thought i'd ever be walking that. and man i wish my weight would drop even faster it's almost at 20 lbs but not quite yet


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on July 15, 2020, 10:38:59 AM
One of Tiana's fellow workers at the nursing home tested positive for COVID 19 today.  :bluesad:
She went to a party. A drinking party! Sharing bottles and s**t!
Stupid f**king people.  :hatred:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on July 15, 2020, 10:41:26 AM
One of Tiana's fellow workers at the nursing home tested positive for COVID 19 today.  :bluesad:
She went to a party. A drinking party! Sharing bottles and s**t!
Stupid f**king people.  :hatred:

Didn't realize Tiana worked at a nursing home. That's the front line. Stay safe.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on July 15, 2020, 10:45:01 AM
One of Tiana's fellow workers at the nursing home tested positive for COVID 19 today.  :bluesad:
She went to a party. A drinking party! Sharing bottles and s**t!
Stupid f**king people.  :hatred:

Didn't realize Tiana worked at a nursing home. That's the front line. Stay safe.

She's a RNA. It's a tough job! But she goes in when anyone can't make it. We don't have a car- she drives on her moped 5 miles to and from work. She gets out at 11:30 at night!
I am very proud of her.
She is working her ass off to help people, and stupid people are acting like it's a joke.
Morons.  :bluesad:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 15, 2020, 04:36:29 PM
well that's being to nice to what they truly are but you are 100% they just don't care and that's why they are things much worse than what you said


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on July 15, 2020, 06:37:45 PM
And I had yet another endless, looping argument with a nutcase trying to say that seasonal flu has a higher mortality rate than COVID-19, even though all available data shows that to be untrue.  Why do I bother?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on July 15, 2020, 06:42:16 PM
And I had yet another endless, looping argument with a nutcase trying to say that seasonal flu has a higher mortality rate than COVID-19, even though all available data shows that to be untrue.  Why do I bother?

I think some people are just unpersuadable, and you need to focus your attention elsewhere. If you make a post and some idiot raises an asinine objection in the comments, remember that a lot of people read the post without bothering to look at the comments. You were able to frame the issue.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 15, 2020, 07:28:30 PM
ya know at first i did think it was part of a flu well some kind of it anyways i'm not gonna lie but ya know what? someone was kind enough to tell me that no it wasn't and explained why to me it may even have been on here i don't remember anymore my point is i didn't fight it or say they were wrong or make a huge deal out of like these idiots are. i had a fight of sorts with some D**k head on you tube the other day and saying how it is the flu and how the survial rate is 99%


 how it's a hoax,  well i looked up online and i found a number from i think May 5th and i said well i found an number and that's number was 94% i said that it's prolly lower now since that was 2 months old. i couldn't find a more up to date one though. i also told him that he should go out and french kiss someone who has it and than 10-14 days from now come back here and tell me that it isn't real.   i don't normally feed the trolls like that but i went off on them and than also told about that guy i talked about that dude who said he was fake and than got it and how his wife got it and well i talked about it on here as well. i even talked about the guy that was on the news recently who went and partied and said it was fake and before he died his last words were i was wrong it's real or something like that.

it's funny after i went off on him and really laid into him pretty thick and yes it was really really FUN!  :)   something happened you aren't gonna believe lol i haven't heard from him since at least not yet anyways. imagine that ya know? as for my YT channel well i don't have to worry about losing any subs as mine is so tiny i just have i think 10 members anyways so it's not like anyone on there is gonna give a damn anyways.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: claws on July 17, 2020, 11:52:58 AM
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Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Jim H on July 17, 2020, 04:06:04 PM
Quote
i had a fight of sorts with some D**k head on you tube the other day and saying how it is the flu and how the survial rate is 99%

They're probably right on that number, it's probably in the .5%-1% range fatality range, but they're still missing the point.  The current US fatality rate is under 4% of all diagnosed cases, and the last thing I heard is they're estimating there are 5-10x as many undiagnosed as diagnosed case - so it's probably considerably lower than 4% in actuality.  Thing is though, that's still 5-10x worse than the flu (flu is .1% fatal typically), COVID19 is more contagious, it also leaves far more devastating after effects to many who survive it (lung damage, neurological and organ damage, etc), and there's no vaccine to reduce the number of people who will get it, so it can just run the course and infect the majority of the population if unchecked quite easily.  

Regardless, those people are talking as if 2 or 3 million people dying and possibly tens of millions with long lasting or even permanent damage isn't a devastating blow...  If that isn't a big blow, what is?  20 million dead?  200 million dead?  


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 17, 2020, 06:44:32 PM
fair enough but it i think was 99% survival rate at one time but it's July like i said i looked it up online too like 2 minutes and i found data from May that said that the info for 99% survival rate was wrong it was i think 94.5% or something like that and it's prolly even lower now so  i don't think they were right, it took me like 2 freaking minutes to find that info. they i have a feeling are going by face book news and Fox news well news i'm guessing and i had a feeling they were a trump supporter as well.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 17, 2020, 09:32:18 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53453468 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53453468)

how messed up is this? how how can anyone even want to vote for this idiot? when he does something like this


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on July 18, 2020, 11:02:05 AM
(https://preview.redd.it/dylbdteizfb51.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=1cc86b60debb1366dc4bde6e2899f4fde4224c6f)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Newt on July 18, 2020, 01:17:14 PM
And wasn't there something about the Governor of Georgia suing the Mayor of Atlanta over the city requiring masks?   Suing.  Suing. :buggedout:   :twirl: :twirl: :twirl:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on July 20, 2020, 05:12:30 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: El Misfit on July 20, 2020, 05:20:08 PM
And wasn't there something about the Governor of Georgia suing the Mayor of Atlanta over the city requiring masks?   Suing.  Suing. :buggedout:   :twirl: :twirl: :twirl:
And then said that mask wearing is mandatory.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Newt on July 20, 2020, 06:12:25 PM
And wasn't there something about the Governor of Georgia suing the Mayor of Atlanta over the city requiring masks?   Suing.  Suing. :buggedout:   :twirl: :twirl: :twirl:
And then said that mask wearing is mandatory.

 :buggedout:  So he did a complete about-face after throwing that hissy fit?   :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 20, 2020, 08:00:03 PM
ya know i laughed a little at that sign but not really that much cause it's right for those who said that i wonder how many of them have indeed died ? i mean not from heart attack or anything but this virus i wonder what the Percentage really is?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 22, 2020, 05:57:21 PM
Now man-thing is advocating wearing masks.  It only took 5 months.   :hatred:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 22, 2020, 07:37:22 PM
yeah but i still have a hard time it's gonna laugh, get this though here in ohio is now it is now mandate to wear masks here starting tomorrow however there are exceptions which is just F... stupid and people are going to take 100% advantage of and than they are gonna wonder why it's not going down but going up!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 22, 2020, 08:18:52 PM
France had lifted all restrictions, life was back to normal but now they are going back. israel the same


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 22, 2020, 08:27:14 PM
so apparently baseball starts 2 morrow and i'm not a sports fan and none of those players are worth what they are paid i don't care how good they are, and none of them should lose their life by starting back


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on July 22, 2020, 09:44:33 PM
Highest daily death toll today since May - both in the USA, and worldwide.
Highest number of new cases EVER reported.

This thing is not going away.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: bob on July 22, 2020, 09:53:21 PM
sanity prevailed in my neck of the woods:

people are now required by law to wear masks outside their homes, in any businesses they enter and basically anywhere they'd be within 6 feet of someone else

failure to will result in tickets from the police

hoping this will result in people wearing masks, not a whole lot of that in my neck of the woods


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on July 22, 2020, 09:54:33 PM
This is like a bad movie.
Race riots, a pandemic, a reality TV show president-!
I'm so glad to see it all fall down!  :hatred:
But I ain't really  :bluesad:

http://youtu.be/rLkwyWrNomU (http://youtu.be/rLkwyWrNomU)



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 22, 2020, 10:04:43 PM
we are still gonna have people who find some excuse to not wear one like i said here in ohio they will find a way not to wear one and than they will wonder why it's not going away? yes they are that damn stupid sadly yes and you are right 100%  bunker boy is a reality tv star who is really only doing this secret police stuff that i forget is against the law or not but with the crap that is going on it's freaking film Minority Report (2002) with Tom wack job Cruise and it's a damn good movie don't get me wrong but it's real life sadly cause it's only been done to get better poll numbers. anything he does is to get better poll numbers

he doesn't get that people want him to go the hell away and well people that aren't in his cult that is & to leave the job to people who know what they are doing.

Apparently the idiot from my state wants to.... Trump and we all know what that means lol anyways  and all it does is make me ashamed of even living here.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on July 23, 2020, 12:38:58 AM
after seeing that the BOE in kansas is willing to turn children and anyone around them into guinea pigs so parents have babysitters, i'm done. from here on in, we protect ourselves, and we see no one but 3 friends i know are safe because they are tested regularly. please send good vibes for curtis's safety, which is MY safety too. :bluesad: :thumbdown: :question: :hatred: :bluesad:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 23, 2020, 06:20:20 AM
will do, i can sleep easy knowing my brother and his wife are keeping the kids home from school. i heard somewhere i think it was my mom that this was pretty much through people she spoke to that when schools were closed last time there yes were a lot of good parents who did do school for them at certain hrs.

like my brother and his wife for example they are pretty good parents actually.  schools even sent laptops home as well they sent one home to my Nephew who didn't have one and it had no games on it apparently. i guess there were kids that never even touched any of it, yeah it kinda made me think of myself a bit but i also wasn't the best student even when i did try. i have a hard time getting motivated and that's part of it, the other part was i just didn't want to when i was still in school.  but i thought about this recently had we had a pandemic when i was growing up i think i would have had a hard time doing school work at home more so than normal but i can say that i had parents that would have forced me to do it weather i liked it or not.

these parents that let their kids not do anything well you know what i have to say on that. i wouldn't have gotten away with it that much i do know.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: bob on July 23, 2020, 05:53:36 PM
I still haven't received the pandemic unemployment I applied for months ago

 :bluesad:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 23, 2020, 06:45:09 PM
really? i dunno what to say other than i'm sorry to hear that you really should contact someone but my guess is you already did


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 23, 2020, 08:26:35 PM
Ive been working through the whole thing. I had one passenger who had it and got over it. He was a doctor. He knew he had it because he couldn't taste anything. Thats one of the early symptoms


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 23, 2020, 09:05:15 PM
 yeah but that doesn't effect everyone for example Tom Hanks was on Colbert recently and his wife had that yet when he had it he still had his sense of smell.



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 25, 2020, 03:09:20 PM
i was talking to a friend of mine last night and i've known this guy for 29 years!  no joke and it's been awhile since i last spoke to him and he brought up the pandemic and he was saying how it's all fake the data and i just should ignore all the data on it etc... how it's to get him out of office that Bullsh*t  ya know i was thinking about this, i hadn't thought about it last night cause he was p**sing me off, but here's a question for well anyone as far as i know a president doesn't  go to every single country there is but if i'm wrong and i could be he goes there mainly to talk to the leaders for whatever reason & he may meet some of the people for a photo op or something. but other than that the people normally don't care at all about the US president unless they are doing some harm to them and as far as i know Trump isn't.  again i could be wrong my point is they don't care i'm sure weather he's in office or not the leaders may but the people have nothing to do with what goes on in the states

so why in the hell would they from another country try and get him  out of office by killing their own country and ours? nobody seems to think of that and i don't think the leaders would spread a virus or do something that crazy that there's to hazard a guess maybe 99 or 98% or of sane leaders out there in various countries my percentage may be wrong i have no idea. i didn't make it 100% cause there's that fat dude with Russia isn't it? 

he was saying how there are people who make $600 a week and say gee i'm making more money now than if i work. i said that may be some but not everyone is like that some are working from home and some like my brother works from home. i said my job is closed right now and has been since March and he goes your different uh how exactly am i different?  i said even if they did open i prolly wouldn't go cause i want to see my niece and nephew grow up.

he was complaining that Dewine is mandating Masks here in Ohio and i'm thrilled he is but i don't like exceptions well unless it's on babies but than you shouldn't be taking babies out to begin with while this pandemic is going on anyways. he goes well the masks don't help and i explained to him how each time we talk and my mom's a retired RN and she was agreeing with me when i said this,  how each time we talk we spit and it's not something we realize when we are doing

and if we have it and accidently sorry for my bad spelling, spit on someone and we not know we have it can get someone sick. than he on some of the things than he changes his tune some and said i think it's real. he also said that 99% crap too and i pointed it out what i posted here about 94% and i said that's already out of date i'm sure. he seems to think the number of deaths so far isn't that many people that died? WHAT?  as you can tell i was pretty heated

on him and yeah we did talk about something else. either way WTF?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on July 28, 2020, 07:02:16 PM
So today our President and his goofball son tweeted links to a press conference by a group called "Frontline Physicians" (organized two weeks ago by the Tea Party Patriots PAC), with this goofy witch doctor from Houston claiming to have a CURE for COVID-19 - the same discredited drug that Trump recommended back in April - (hydrochlorinesomethingorother, HCQ for short), plus zinc supplements. 

This lady says that infertility and endometriosis are caused by women having sex with demons in their sleep, and runs her "clinic" from a small storefront next to her church.  She has no admitting privileges in ANY hospital, and ZERO credibility.

But all the Trumpsters on my feed are going nuts, saying this is "proof" that Fauci and the CDC have been conspiring against the President all along, and that the cure the whole world has been searching for is right in front of us.

Despite multiple studies showing the HCQ has no appreciable effect on the virus.

I give up.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: El Misfit on July 28, 2020, 08:01:28 PM
At some point you just got to let them find out the hard way that they were wrong. It sucks as a caring person that you want to tell them that the best way to fight Covid is to follow the guidelines that the CDC has given out and they ignore you. At some point you give up trying to help them since they don't want to be helped the correct way.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on July 28, 2020, 08:27:21 PM
yeah but that doesn't effect everyone for example Tom Hanks was on Colbert recently and his wife had that yet when he had it he still had his sense of smell.



From the cases I've seen, loss of sense of smell doesn't happen often, but it seems to happen more than it does with other viruses.

Short of breath, fever, cough, and odd chest pain are the most common things people say.
Gut upset and extreme fatigue, after that.   If they have symptoms.



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 28, 2020, 08:44:13 PM
I talked to a doctor who had it. He lost his sense of taste thats when he knew he had to get tested.




Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 28, 2020, 10:03:33 PM
it's always amazing how stupid people can be, not surprising though to quote Forest Gump stupid is as stupid does. a cheesy line granted but it fits with a lot of people these days sadly


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on July 30, 2020, 12:56:38 AM
Looks like Europe is heading into its second spike, which hopefully should be less of a peak that the first.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on July 30, 2020, 01:50:58 AM
what i find really frustrating and what really sets me off is and i've set this before is that these moron's to keep it clean lol who insist this virus is to get trump out of office and that friend i told you guys and gals about also said watch it's gonna be gone come election i said i hope you are right i hope it's gone by than but i don't think it will be. simply put people are that stupid as we all know, so if Europe is getting it pretty bad my question is why would they lie about it being this bad ? if it's to get trump out of office? the people in any of the European countries don't care if he's in office or not all they care about is the people who run their country much like how we don't really pay attention to other people's countries but our own.

yet no one ever thinks of that ya know? but than what do we know ya know?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on July 30, 2020, 10:25:00 AM
Herman Cain, who was at Trump's June 20 rally in Tulsa, has died from the Corona virus.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/30/politics/herman-cain-dies-coronavirus/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/30/politics/herman-cain-dies-coronavirus/index.html)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on July 30, 2020, 12:03:48 PM
and the conspiracy crap has already begun with people saying he was murdered by either clintons or the obamas.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on July 30, 2020, 12:18:02 PM
More nonsense-
Either Trump thinks folks are stupid- or they really are stupid- or both!

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGNehPhx8Jo#)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on August 01, 2020, 04:27:56 AM
they are both,  i was watching  the Mr. Peabody and Sherman (2014) the other night and they had a bit where all the ex presidents are there to help going back to George Washington and it's hard to explain if you haven't seen it but anyways, there's a scene where they have Clinton say i've done worse.

anyways you know it's funny i don't think Trump even wants to even be president anymore, but it's the power and the things that come with it he loves it's just the work a president has to do is what he doesn't like so he goes and plays golf.  man i cannot wait until he's out of office. i'm pretty much crossing my fingers in hope that biden is better. i'm also hoping that maybe Bernie can get him on the right side of certain things that we need


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on August 03, 2020, 12:36:18 PM
The nursing home where me sweetie Tiana works had 4 nurses test positive,and one resident. If I ain't on here in the future, it's because I'm dead!
I never gave a f**k if I die anytime in my life. If I die- well, f**kin swell.

http://youtu.be/cem38_KjipU (http://youtu.be/cem38_KjipU)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on August 03, 2020, 01:08:36 PM
More nonsense-
Either Trump thinks folks are stupid- or they really are stupid- or both!

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGNehPhx8Jo#[/url])



He knows they are stupid. After all they voted for him. Kinda like sheep voting for a wolf.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: sprite75 on August 08, 2020, 06:03:34 PM
City of Dubuque passed a mask ordinance the other day cause our governor won't do jack s**t.

This group got created a couple days later.

(https://i.imgur.com/k48g8ea.jpg)

I checked and it's now over 1600 members.  Some of their posts accuse pro mask people of being pedophiles.  And I have a real f**king bone to pick over them using the flag raising at Iwo Jima for their own f**king sick purposes.  I f**king hate my hometown sometimes and this is even more motivation for me to move.  I took the fact that this was my hometown off of FB.  Maybe having people being ashamed of being from or living in the same town as these f**k sticks will shame them into backing off but I somehow doubt it.

Sorry for swearing so f**king much but it's how angry I am right now.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on August 08, 2020, 10:41:13 PM
if it were me i would be swearing some more really only cause when i am heated like that i swear worse than a sailor lol.  yeah i'm not a Vet but my Grandfather was in WW2.  though if you want a good laugh a month or two ago one of these dumb B***hs  was i think in Congress saying some sh*t about how their ancestors were in WW2. i wanted to scream at the tv uh lady if you had a relative that served in ww2 that is not an ancestor you freaking idiot that's called your grandfather or if you are younger great grandfather. there's nobody on this planet but you who thinks people who served in WW1 or WW2 who considers those ancestors.

but yeah that would really offend me & these morons wonder why this virus is still going on and spreading! yes they are that stupid and you have a right to be mad i think. i think you did the right thing in taking that off FB. i would do the same if it happened to me but than i don't use social media at all


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: sprite75 on August 09, 2020, 12:04:32 AM
if it were me i would be swearing some more really only cause when i am heated like that i swear worse than a sailor lol.  yeah i'm not a Vet but my Grandfather was in WW2.  though if you want a good laugh a month or two ago one of these dumb B***hs  was i think in Congress saying some sh*t about how their ancestors were in WW2. i wanted to scream at the tv uh lady if you had a relative that served in ww2 that is not an ancestor you freaking idiot that's called your grandfather or if you are younger great grandfather. there's nobody on this planet but you who thinks people who served in WW1 or WW2 who considers those ancestors.

but yeah that would really offend me & these morons wonder why this virus is still going on and spreading! yes they are that stupid and you have a right to be mad i think. i think you did the right thing in taking that off FB. i would do the same if it happened to me but than i don't use social media at all

I thought of changing my home town to Crab Town, Iowa.  (Yes that is an actual place in Iowa).

(https://i.imgur.com/Eku4DIs.png)

But that's a little far from where I actually grew up so I decided to go with some place closer to me.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on August 09, 2020, 01:13:14 AM
there are worse names man there's a road that is out here in Ohio and i'm not making this is up it's called Pitts Road and me and my brother always joke on how much it smells when we are on it, stupid yeah, childish yeah but so is the name of the road as well. do a search of other places that are worse than crab or pitts


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: claws on August 10, 2020, 12:30:51 AM
Quote
Coronavirus digest: US infections top 5 million

 :buggedout:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on August 10, 2020, 04:35:05 AM
before i head off to bed here's something to lose sleep to, apparently they are trying to get Bunker boy's ugly mug on Mount Rushmore! i don't even know how to answer that one but WTF?  he's the most Corrupt president in our history yet he wants that..? how vain is that? the only picture i'd like to see his face on is in a mug shot on the way to jail for breaking so many laws as president but we know he's never going to jail as much as we all want it


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: sprite75 on August 10, 2020, 04:20:04 PM
before i head off to bed here's something to lose sleep to, apparently they are trying to get Bunker boy's ugly mug on Mount Rushmore! i don't even know how to answer that one but WTF?  he's the most Corrupt president in our history yet he wants that..? how vain is that? the only picture i'd like to see his face on is in a mug shot on the way to jail for breaking so many laws as president but we know he's never going to jail as much as we all want it

There isn't anymore carveable granite on the mountain.  Even if there were it would take decades to put that idiot's image up there and by the time whichever schmuck they hired to do it was ready to start they'd probably cancel it because he'd be long out of office and every Republican out there would be trying to pretend he never existed. 

And now it looks like the Big Ten (https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2020/08/10/big-ten-football-cancels-season-michigan-michigan-state/3332277001/) (Iowa, Minnesota, Michigan, et al) is going to cancel.

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The Big Ten is expected to cancel the 2020 college football season in a historic move that stems from concerns related to the ongoing coronavirus pandemic, multiple people with knowledge of the decision told the Free Press.

Sources said the presidents were in agreement Sunday to end fall sports in the conference. Michigan and Michigan State — which both have physicians as presidents — were among the schools in favor of ending the fall seasons, sources said.

Multiple sources said early Monday morning that presidents voted 12-2 to end the season, though the Big Ten said Monday afternoon no official vote had taken place. Dan Patrick, who first reported the 12-2 vote, said on his radio show that Iowa and Nebraska were the two schools in favor or playing.

According to The Lansing State Journal, Big Ten presidents were expected to meet again Monday at 6 p.m. to formally vote on ending the season. One Free Press source said Monday afternoon the schools are expected to move forward in the same direction.

f**k


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on August 10, 2020, 06:54:01 PM
i'm so not a sports guy but i get that your upset on how i look at it even though i'm doing a happy snoopy dance lol it's not because i hate football and i do it's cause i honestly don't think it's worth playing it at all for anyone during a pandemic. the players should be home with their wives and kids as should well everyone at the stadium weather you are on a team or not. there should not be any sports this year at all but i can understand sports fanatics are p**sed i guess that

and i honestly don't blame them either but wouldn't you rather have your favorite players alive next season or dead this season?  that's how i look at it anyways.

as for Mount Rushmore really there's no stone left to carve? realy? i don't really know that much about Mount Rushmore at all but look up he got kicked out of someplace it showed up on my celly so look it up i haven't done that yet myself


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: sprite75 on August 10, 2020, 07:51:56 PM
i'm so not a sports guy but i get that your upset on how i look at it even though i'm doing a happy snoopy dance lol it's not because i hate football and i do it's cause i honestly don't think it's worth playing it at all for anyone during a pandemic. the players should be home with their wives and kids as should well everyone at the stadium weather you are on a team or not. there should not be any sports this year at all but i can understand sports fanatics are p**sed i guess that

and i honestly don't blame them either but wouldn't you rather have your favorite players alive next season or dead this season?  that's how i look at it anyways.

as for Mount Rushmore really there's no stone left to carve? realy? i don't really know that much about Mount Rushmore at all but look up he got kicked out of someplace it showed up on my celly so look it up i haven't done that yet myself

I'm not that big of a sports fanatic.  But a mild October afternoon watching the Hawkeyes destroy another team - can't beat that. 

It's just that we had to give up so much when we could have been back to something resembling normal by now if not for this open sabotage by our own government. 



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on August 12, 2020, 12:54:53 PM
i agree, my city has cancelled all youth sports until spring, and while it sucks for the kids, their safety is paramount. and yes, i blame trump, and people like kristi noem and the other republican governors who are basically killing their constituency.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: sprite75 on August 12, 2020, 02:00:34 PM
i agree, my city has cancelled all youth sports until spring, and while it sucks for the kids, their safety is paramount. and yes, i blame trump, and people like kristi noem and the other republican governors who are basically killing their constituency.

We have #CovidKim here in Iowa.  That's part of the reason I'm looking at a fair number of other states for employment.  She won't do a f**king thing about the pandemic and is going out of her f**king way to stop local governments from doing anything either.  If she thought she could get away with it she'd probably try to stop businesses and individuals from requiring people to wear masks on their property.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on August 12, 2020, 06:49:25 PM
I just found out today that Lolo Garcia and Louie Martinez, 2 guys I worked with for 30 years at Honee Bear Canning died recently. From Covid -19.  :bluesad: I knew Louie since I was 16 years old.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on August 12, 2020, 07:35:22 PM
I just found out today that Lolo Garcia and Louie Martinez, 2 guys I worked with for 30 years at Honee Bear Canning died recently. From Covid -19.  :bluesad: I knew Louie since I was 16 years old.

I hate to hear that, Ronnie!
The lady that sits with my mother-in-law at night lost her own mom to COVID this week.
Her mom was in a nursing home, and Denise hadn't gotten to see her face to face since February.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on August 12, 2020, 09:16:20 PM
i'm sorry to the both of you, wow 16? damn that's a long time


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on August 12, 2020, 09:44:31 PM
i'm sorry to the both of you, wow 16? damn that's a long time
Yeah. I'm 58 years old about  a couple days from now. I met Louie when I was working at Honee Bear- and he was driving lift truck. Over 40 years ago. I was a teenager in 1978. I worked at factorys since I was 15. Before that I picked fruit and pickles.

Yup! I'm building a sob story! But it's true!



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on August 13, 2020, 12:57:21 AM
nobody here minds that man as long as you don't keep all that in man you are allowed to vent not that i'm giving you permission i just meant that some people keep stuff inside them and never let it out than they wonder why they are just so screwed up? i'm guilty on that on my own accord as well that's all i mean.

my dude Bryon i've known him since (1991) he's the one who royally p**sed me off cause he likes Trump for some reason.... actually i'm a few months older than him i'm September 78 and he's Feb. 79 but leaving politics out of it me & him if you saw us together 1. you'd be laughing your ass off cause we are like the marx bros. pretty much cause we are always goofing on each other and 2. you also will wonder why me & him are even friends? cause me and him are so vastly different
and he's been asked why are you friends with him? and he's said i dunno i don't get mad at that cause me and him have never figured that out either.

he's also a guy i don't tell everything either cause i know what he'd say and he's prolly more blunt than anyone on this board no joke and when you want to hear from certain things you don't want it thrown back at you in your face in the way he would put it because that's now healthy i don't think tells it like it is. i mean i am blunt but i'm not nearly as blunt as he is. so that's why i don't tell him everything, anyways 58? that's not that old and i've never thought that either even as a kid.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: claws on August 13, 2020, 04:51:04 AM
I guess the second wave arrived in Germany with daily 1,000+ new corona infections. Time to stock up again.

(https://media.tenor.com/images/b2f9a96520c5d8acc7d17338677ae692/tenor.gif)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on August 13, 2020, 05:07:57 PM
now it's Dr. Pepper people are hoarding my question is uh WHY exactly?  just like why were people hoarding toilet paper ? we got lucky that we ended up buying enough but we didn't hoard it though and really Germany gee i wonder if it's them trying to get trump out of office even though he's got nothing to do with Germany at all


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: sprite75 on August 13, 2020, 08:20:26 PM
What's heating up my water now is that all these people with JDs, MDs, or PhDs from Facebook University are passing along every dumbass theory they can think of or making up all sorts of crap.  The local idiots here have seized on how the Applebee's hostess asking to see the doctor's note that exempts them from mask wearing is somehow a violation of HIPPA.

I'm just tired of all these armchair types claiming they're experts in law, medicine, or science.  Some of my classmates had to leave school to go back to their day jobs as medical professionals to take care of all the patients that flooded the system.  And we get bulls**t like this?  These f**kers need to give us a f**king break already and crawl back under whatever rocks they came out of.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on August 13, 2020, 10:02:27 PM
well said, my mom wants to get a dog and i still live at home for the time being she's a Retired RN and while i'm not a dog person or really an animal person i keep trying to tell her that while the dog is a puppy i don't want to get sick from the dog it's not worth and can she wait until the pandemic is over? i don't think it's going be around in 5 years for example.

i told her you always tell me to wait when i want to get certain things cause i can get carried at at times spending money, i'm single i don't have a family of my own so i don't have to worry about that and i don't the bills like most people have here for example. yet she's rushing to get a freaking dog, i said the woman who is selling it you you may have the virus and not even know it nor have the symptoms you are a nurse you should know this...  i said i don't want to get sick from the dog it's just not worth it we have a pandemic going on now and people are doing can you NOT fu...ing wait? but i might as well be speaking to a deaf mute cause she's not listening and if i get sick the 1st thing i'm doing is going off on her i don't care if she's my mother or not she will fxing  deserve it.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: ER on August 13, 2020, 10:49:56 PM
well said, my mom wants to get a dog and i still live at home for the time being she's a Retired RN and while i'm not a dog person or really an animal person i keep trying to tell her that while the dog is a puppy i don't want to get sick from the dog it's not worth and can she wait until the pandemic is over? i don't think it's going be around in 5 years for example.

i told her you always tell me to wait when i want to get certain things cause i can get carried at at times spending money, i'm single i don't have a family of my own so i don't have to worry about that and i don't the bills like most people have here for example. yet she's rushing to get a freaking dog, i said the woman who is selling it you you may have the virus and not even know it nor have the symptoms you are a nurse you should know this...  i said i don't want to get sick from the dog it's just not worth it we have a pandemic going on now and people are doing can you NOT fu...ing wait? but i might as well be speaking to a deaf mute cause she's not listening and if i get sick the 1st thing i'm doing is going off on her i don't care if she's my mother or not she will fxing  deserve it.

I hope she puts you on the street. You live with your mom at your age and you boast about going off on her because she wants to buy herself a dog? Like it's your business what she does with her money and her life? Do you really listen to yourself? Move out and take control of your life and don't get a dog if you don't want one. Do your mom a favor. My God what's wrong with you?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on August 14, 2020, 12:00:09 AM
i live with them cause for one thing it's hard to find a place to live these days and with the pandemic going on, what's wrong with me? i want to live that's all
i also don't have the money to move out as i'm currently not working anyways so i'd be out on the street and returning home anyways the way things currently are.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on August 14, 2020, 01:20:54 AM
i'm also a client at a workshop and it's very difficult to even get on a list to get my own place as well. i've had a i don't give a f... since i was 19 and until i have a reason and i haven't had any reason that's how i am. it's just who i am i also said that if i get sick cause she bought a dog if i don't get sick than  i don't need to tell her off. also i'm terrified of getting this virus now i don't spend my days thinking about it 24/7 cause that's not living but somethings in life just aren't worth dong especially if it can get you killed and this is one of them well a potential to be one anyways

and if i can prevent from having i take it that's all it's self preservation man it's surviving that's how i look at it anyways


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Newt on August 14, 2020, 06:42:20 AM

I hope she puts you on the street. You live with your mom at your age and you boast about going off on her because she wants to buy herself a dog? Like it's your business what she does with her money and her life? Do you really listen to yourself? Move out and take control of your life and don't get a dog if you don't want one. Do your mom a favor. My God what's wrong with you?

Clearly there are underlying conditions at work here.  IOW yes, this individual may have difficulties that make life even more challenging than we know.  The neurolgically 'normal' among us are likely to see that as something wrong with them and their behaviour.

Pennywise you are not going to get COVID-19 from a dog.  Aside from that I hope you are just venting in this safe place.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on August 14, 2020, 07:15:03 AM
Newt makes a very good point there. While humans have given it to cats in a few instances (although for some reason it doesn't seem to travel the other way around, I have no idea why) there are as far as I've heard no cases of dogs causing humans to get infected.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: ER on August 14, 2020, 09:37:27 AM

I hope she puts you on the street. You live with your mom at your age and you boast about going off on her because she wants to buy herself a dog? Like it's your business what she does with her money and her life? Do you really listen to yourself? Move out and take control of your life and don't get a dog if you don't want one. Do your mom a favor. My God what's wrong with you?

Clearly there are underlying conditions at work here.  IOW yes, this individual may have difficulties that make life even more challenging than we know.  The neurolgically 'normal' among us are likely to see that as something wrong with them and their behaviour.

Pennywise you are not going to get COVID-19 from a dog.  Aside from that I hope you are just venting in this safe place.

Why, dear Newt, for once we agree! One would have to be neurologically abnormal to boast of planning ahead of time to go off on one's mother, especially since she is supporting the adult person in question, and is, uh, his mother.

pennywise, all Kroger's in your state are hiring baggers and stocking people for the in-home delivery service. Union job, all the overtime you need, start immediately. There, job problem solved! Welcome to gainful employment and a ticket out of your evil mom's house!

(How about being grateful you not only have a mother, but that she works to take care of you? Little appreciation? Little respect? Little basic decency?)



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Newt on August 14, 2020, 12:32:03 PM
...  The neurologically 'normal' among us are likely to see that as something wrong with them and their behaviour.

Correction:  the term I was looking for is "neuro-typical".  I blanked on it when composing that post and resorted to approximating it.  Which made it inaccurate and potentially offensive.  My apologies!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on August 16, 2020, 04:24:43 PM
now it's Dr. Pepper people are hoarding my question is uh WHY exactly?  just like why were people hoarding toilet paper ? we got lucky that we ended up buying enough but we didn't hoard it though and really Germany gee i wonder if it's them trying to get trump out of office even though he's got nothing to do with Germany at all

If you drink Dr. Pepper, own a Keurig machine or even drink out of one at work, or if you love Krispy Kreme donuts, then you are Nazi scum.

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The family that owns well-known consumer brands like Krispy Kreme doughnuts, Keurig, Dr. Pepper and Panera Bread say their Nazi ancestors used slave labor during World War II.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/25/business/krispy-kreme-nazi-ties/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/25/business/krispy-kreme-nazi-ties/index.html)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on August 16, 2020, 07:31:06 PM
One of my  arrowhead hunting buddies just announced on FB that he's been fighting COVID-19 for a week now.
He called the virus "the spawn of Satan" and said it is the absolute worst sickness he's ever had in his 61 years!
I hope he pulls through.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Jim H on August 17, 2020, 05:29:41 PM
now it's Dr. Pepper people are hoarding my question is uh WHY exactly?  just like why were people hoarding toilet paper ? we got lucky that we ended up buying enough but we didn't hoard it though and really Germany gee i wonder if it's them trying to get trump out of office even though he's got nothing to do with Germany at all

If you drink Dr. Pepper, own a Keurig machine or even drink out of one at work, or if you love Krispy Kreme donuts, then you are Nazi scum.

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The family that owns well-known consumer brands like Krispy Kreme doughnuts, Keurig, Dr. Pepper and Panera Bread say their Nazi ancestors used slave labor during World War II.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/25/business/krispy-kreme-nazi-ties/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/25/business/krispy-kreme-nazi-ties/index.html)

That can be a fun game to play, especially with all the multinational mergers and buyouts that have happened throughout Europe. 

Even more broadly, you can also fairly reasonably declare someone supports child slavery if they own a smartphone or laptop, as the supply of cobalt and other minerals is sourced in ways that can't reliably be separated from slave suppliers.  It's a valuable lesson for people seeking or claiming moral perfection I think.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 18, 2020, 02:38:58 PM
...Why, dear Newt, for once we agree! One would have to be neurologically abnormal to boast of planning ahead of time to go off on one's mother, especially since she is supporting the adult person in question, and is, uh, his mother.

pennywise, all Kroger's in your state are hiring baggers and stocking people for the in-home delivery service. Union job, all the overtime you need, start immediately. There, job problem solved! Welcome to gainful employment and a ticket out of your evil mom's house!

(How about being grateful you not only have a mother, but that she works to take care of you? Little appreciation? Little respect? Little basic decency?)

He did say she is retired. 


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on August 19, 2020, 06:12:32 AM
The My Pillow guy is pushing a quack cure now!

https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/2020/08/18/mike-lindell-anderson-cooper-coronavirus-therapeutic-mypillow-sot-vpx.cnn (https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/2020/08/18/mike-lindell-anderson-cooper-coronavirus-therapeutic-mypillow-sot-vpx.cnn)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: claws on August 22, 2020, 03:14:38 AM
A colleague went on vacation in Croatia last week when it was still deemed as "safe". A few days later Croatia was not "safe" anymore due to more infections. He is suppose to return next week, and all people returning from Croatia have to get tested for the virus. Curious how this turns out.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on August 22, 2020, 06:04:31 AM
Stolen from a friend.

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The spread of coronavirus has been down to two factors:
1. How dense the population is.
2. How dense the population is.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on August 28, 2020, 04:46:18 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/zQ7e7Ki.jpg)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on August 30, 2020, 04:48:52 PM
Newt makes a very good point there. While humans have given it to cats in a few instances (although for some reason it doesn't seem to travel the other way around, I have no idea why) there are as far as I've heard no cases of dogs causing humans to get infected.

That’s part of the “October Surprise” that Democrat Trump-haters are saving up for the 11th Hour, after Joe Biden’s senile old ass implodes at the debates with President Trump and the silly Black Lives Matter b.s. starts to wear thin after more dirt comes out about that p***y-grabbing scumbag Jacob Blake.  :cheers:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/08/28/this-is-why-jacob-blake-had-a-warrant-out-for-his-arrest/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/08/28/this-is-why-jacob-blake-had-a-warrant-out-for-his-arrest/amp/)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on August 31, 2020, 01:17:39 AM
Newt makes a very good point there. While humans have given it to cats in a few instances (although for some reason it doesn't seem to travel the other way around, I have no idea why) there are as far as I've heard no cases of dogs causing humans to get infected.

That’s part of the “October Surprise” that Democrat Trump-haters are saving up for the 11th Hour, after Joe Biden’s senile old ass implodes at the debates with President Trump and the silly Black Lives Matter b.s. starts to wear thin after more dirt comes out about that p***y-grabbing scumbag Jacob Blake.  :cheers:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/08/28/this-is-why-jacob-blake-had-a-warrant-out-for-his-arrest/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/08/28/this-is-why-jacob-blake-had-a-warrant-out-for-his-arrest/amp/)

I recognise the words here as English, but the sentences are just gibberish.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on August 31, 2020, 01:50:57 AM
Newt makes a very good point there. While humans have given it to cats in a few instances (although for some reason it doesn't seem to travel the other way around, I have no idea why) there are as far as I've heard no cases of dogs causing humans to get infected.

That’s part of the “October Surprise” that Democrat Trump-haters are saving up for the 11th Hour, after Joe Biden’s senile old ass implodes at the debates with President Trump and the silly Black Lives Matter b.s. starts to wear thin after more dirt comes out about that p***y-grabbing scumbag Jacob Blake.  :cheers:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/08/28/this-is-why-jacob-blake-had-a-warrant-out-for-his-arrest/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/08/28/this-is-why-jacob-blake-had-a-warrant-out-for-his-arrest/amp/)

What the f**k are you talking about? Are you living in a comic book of your own creation? Are you that deluded?
Wow, man. Just wow. It's so sad it's funny.

(https://i.imgur.com/QCpyJZp.gif) (https://lunapic.com)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on August 31, 2020, 01:56:39 AM
No doubt RC he thinks he blew your mind with that one.

Then again, he does have no credibility...


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on August 31, 2020, 02:26:58 AM
The balls to call some one a "p***y grabber" when Trump is on tape being a p***y grabber- it's obvious trolling now. I don't even think he believes the s**t he's saying. A phony.  :lookingup:
Maybe somebody should shoot Trump? He's a p***y grabber! Shoot him. dammit!  :drink:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on August 31, 2020, 02:47:53 AM
The balls to call some one a "p***y grabber" when Trump is on tape being a p***y grabber- it's obvious trolling now. I don't even think he believes the s**t he's saying. A phony.  :lookingup:
Maybe somebody should shoot Trump? He's a p***y grabber! Shoot him. dammit!  :drink:

No RC, I'm just waiting for your inevitable drunken grumpy tirade as you try to defend one p***y-grabber while simultaneously condemning another. Go on now, RC! Let's hear it.  :teddyr:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on August 31, 2020, 02:54:19 AM
The balls to call some one a "p***y grabber" when Trump is on tape being a p***y grabber- it's obvious trolling now. I don't even think he believes the s**t he's saying. A phony.  :lookingup:
Maybe somebody should shoot Trump? He's a p***y grabber! Shoot him. dammit!  :drink:

No RC, I'm just waiting for your inevitable drunken grumpy tirade as you try to defend one p***y-grabber while simultaneously condemning another. Go on now, RC! Let's hear it.  :teddyr:

So that's your defense? That the guy got shot because he was a p***y grabber?
So it's ok for what...? Trump is a p***ygrabber-why not shoot him? Because you say this guy is a p***y grabber he needed to be shot? Did the cop know when he shot him if he was a p***y grabber? Or did he shoot him because he was a n****r?
Oh- I got more thinking ability if I was on a 3 day drunk than you have of being a life sober.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on August 31, 2020, 03:35:55 AM
The balls to call some one a "p***y grabber" when Trump is on tape being a p***y grabber- it's obvious trolling now. I don't even think he believes the s**t he's saying. A phony.  :lookingup:
Maybe somebody should shoot Trump? He's a p***y grabber! Shoot him. dammit!  :drink:

No RC, I'm just waiting for your inevitable drunken grumpy tirade as you try to defend one p***y-grabber while simultaneously condemning another. Go on now, RC! Let's hear it.  :teddyr:

So that's your defense? That the guy got shot because he was a p***y grabber?
So it's ok for what...? Trump is a p***ygrabber-why not shoot him? Because you say this guy is a p***y grabber he needed to be shot? Did the cop know when he shot him if he was a p***y grabber? Or did he shoot him because he was a n****r?
Oh- I got more thinking ability if I was on a 3 day drunk than you have of being a life sober.

Yes, the guy got shot because he was a p***y-grabber. Why else were the cops called to that residence where he did not belong? Why were all the cops' weapons already drawn when that video started?

Trump talked about grabbing p***y before he was President; not the same thing.

Oh, I know that you want so desperately to believe that Blake was shot because he was black, but so far there is no evidence to support that, is there? When the Bubbas get to Blake's crippled ass while he is in prison, Blake will finally know how it feels to be sexually assaulted while helpless to defend himself, just like his ex-girlfriend felt when he was grabbing that p***y. But by all means, please keep defending the monster, RC. It amuses me watching you drunkenly try to virtue signal your BLM support just because you have a black girlfriend.  :teddyr:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on August 31, 2020, 06:26:49 AM
RC at least has the excuse that he drinks. I wonder what your excuse for the bollocks you talk is?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pacman000 on September 01, 2020, 01:58:49 PM
Good News, according to this headline: https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/u-s-new-coronavirus-infections-slow-to-lowest-level-in-more-than-two-months/ar-BB18zSxj?ocid=msedgdhp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/u-s-new-coronavirus-infections-slow-to-lowest-level-in-more-than-two-months/ar-BB18zSxj?ocid=msedgdhp)

U.S. New Coronavirus Infections Slow to Lowest Level in More Than Two Months


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Jim H on September 01, 2020, 03:03:03 PM
Good News, according to this headline: https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/u-s-new-coronavirus-infections-slow-to-lowest-level-in-more-than-two-months/ar-BB18zSxj?ocid=msedgdhp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/u-s-new-coronavirus-infections-slow-to-lowest-level-in-more-than-two-months/ar-BB18zSxj?ocid=msedgdhp)

U.S. New Coronavirus Infections Slow to Lowest Level in More Than Two Months

I'm very curious how the schools opening up in a lot of places will change this.  It always lags a bit - that is, the slowdown now reflects stuff that was happening more than two weeks ago.  That means we won't really know the full story with how schools opening changed things probably until closer to the end of the month or even October.  Kids are far less likely to be made seriously ill, but they can still spread it to their parents, grandparents, teachers, administrators, etc, very easily.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on September 01, 2020, 05:01:05 PM
Good News, according to this headline: https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/u-s-new-coronavirus-infections-slow-to-lowest-level-in-more-than-two-months/ar-BB18zSxj?ocid=msedgdhp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/u-s-new-coronavirus-infections-slow-to-lowest-level-in-more-than-two-months/ar-BB18zSxj?ocid=msedgdhp)

U.S. New Coronavirus Infections Slow to Lowest Level in More Than Two Months

Good COVID-19 news is not allowed until after the November election.  :cheers:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: VenomX73 on September 01, 2020, 05:02:27 PM
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qElRj0IpCKs#)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on September 07, 2020, 12:03:59 PM
appears this thing is drawing to a close


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Jim H on September 07, 2020, 01:26:35 PM
appears this thing is drawing to a close

Not yet.  The hot spots have declined for sure, but other places are going up, averaging it out to be basically flat.  It's also likely we'll see somewhat of a spike (though not as big as the previous ones, my guess) in the next few weeks due to Labor Day spread, especially the handful of states that looked primed for it - like my own, Missouri, where the growth of new cases is currently still a lot worse than it was during the initial spike (about twice as many new daily cases as of now).

It's also possible that as outdoor activities become less tenable due to weather change and people do more things indoors in groups, this might make spread worse, as it does for flus during flu season.  But we don't know yet exactly how people will behave with COVID19, so that's an educated guess.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Trevor on September 07, 2020, 01:46:38 PM
I haven't been physically at work since March 25 this year: got a text this afternoon letting me know that by the end of next week (around the 17th) we will be back at work, which is a relief because this working from home thing (I do work, I do get work and I do get paid) is starting to p**s me off.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on September 07, 2020, 03:10:42 PM
2 of the workers at the nursing home  where Tiana works tested positive for Covid 19. So their on lockdown again. She has to suit up every day.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on September 09, 2020, 03:33:17 AM
appears this thing is drawing to a close

6% actual COVID-19 deaths in the U.S., according to the CDC. Looks like one big gigantic clickbait just like Obama's b.s. ebola scare flop from 2014.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on September 09, 2020, 07:12:29 AM
appears this thing is drawing to a close

6% actual COVID-19 deaths in the U.S., according to the CDC. Looks like one big gigantic clickbait just like Obama's b.s. ebola scare flop from 2014.

Nobody died form Ebola in the USA. Not one person. 189,538 people have died from Covid 19. Looks like Obama did a better job of containing it, eh? It's not a very good analogy.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Jim H on September 09, 2020, 10:01:34 AM
appears this thing is drawing to a close

6% actual COVID-19 deaths in the U.S., according to the CDC. Looks like one big gigantic clickbait just like Obama's b.s. ebola scare flop from 2014.

It's 6% having no other conditions or causes.  You're effectively stating someone having things like respiratory failure listed as one of their causes of death, while dying from a harsh flu like disease that contributes to respiratory failure, didn't actually die from the flu like disease that is *also* listed as a cause of death.  Do you now understand why that doesn't make sense?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on September 10, 2020, 01:40:00 AM
appears this thing is drawing to a close

6% actual COVID-19 deaths in the U.S., according to the CDC. Looks like one big gigantic clickbait just like Obama's b.s. ebola scare flop from 2014.

It's 6% having no other conditions or causes.  You're effectively stating someone having things like respiratory failure listed as one of their causes of death, while dying from a harsh flu like disease that contributes to respiratory failure, didn't actually die from the flu like disease that is *also* listed as a cause of death.  Do you now understand why that doesn't make sense?

George Floyd had COVID-19 when he died too. So you're essentially saying that he died from COVID-19 and not the four times lethal doses of fentanyl that he swallowed in a lame-a$$ed attempt to hide it from the arresting cops. Yeah, I like your logic much better.  :lookingup:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on September 10, 2020, 08:10:09 AM
Maybe a simpler way to explain it:

"What the CDC published shows that 6% of coronavirus deaths were from COVID-19 alone while the other 94% of deaths had underlying factors, and while the percentages are true, it doesn’t mean the 6% is the real COVID-19 death count. It means those are the only deaths where patients had no other pre-existing conditions."

https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/09/03/trust-index-is-the-cdc-exaggerating-the-number-of-americans-killed-by-covid-19/ (https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/09/03/trust-index-is-the-cdc-exaggerating-the-number-of-americans-killed-by-covid-19/)

E.g., someone who has, say, asthma has an underlying condition (co-morbidity) that makes COVID fatal for them, whereas the same infection might not kill a perfectly healthy person. In every death listed as a COVID death, COVID is the primary cause of death. People with underlying health conditions are more at risk, but that's not different than any other illness.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pacman000 on September 10, 2020, 03:40:59 PM
appears this thing is drawing to a close

6% actual COVID-19 deaths in the U.S., according to the CDC. Looks like one big gigantic clickbait just like Obama's b.s. ebola scare flop from 2014.

Nobody died form Ebola in the USA. Not one person. 189,538 people have died from Covid 19. Looks like Obama did a better job of containing it, eh? It's not a very good analogy.

Someone in the U.S. did die from Ebola: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Eric_Duncan

Ebola, tho horrible & frightening, is easier to control than other diseases, since you usually have to come into contact with infected bodily fluids to catch it.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on September 10, 2020, 06:39:22 PM
Maybe a simpler way to explain it:

"What the CDC published shows that 6% of coronavirus deaths were from COVID-19 alone while the other 94% of deaths had underlying factors, and while the percentages are true, it doesn’t mean the 6% is the real COVID-19 death count. It means those are the only deaths where patients had no other pre-existing conditions."

https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/09/03/trust-index-is-the-cdc-exaggerating-the-number-of-americans-killed-by-covid-19/ (https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/09/03/trust-index-is-the-cdc-exaggerating-the-number-of-americans-killed-by-covid-19/)

E.g., someone who has, say, asthma has an underlying condition (co-morbidity) that makes COVID fatal for them, whereas the same infection might not kill a perfectly healthy person. In every death listed as a COVID death, COVID is the primary cause of death. People with underlying health conditions are more at risk, but that's not different than any other illness.


It’s weird how the 1.1% death rate for the U.S. hasn’t changed from last year to this year though.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on September 10, 2020, 07:13:14 PM
Maybe a simpler way to explain it:

"What the CDC published shows that 6% of coronavirus deaths were from COVID-19 alone while the other 94% of deaths had underlying factors, and while the percentages are true, it doesn’t mean the 6% is the real COVID-19 death count. It means those are the only deaths where patients had no other pre-existing conditions."

https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/09/03/trust-index-is-the-cdc-exaggerating-the-number-of-americans-killed-by-covid-19/ (https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/09/03/trust-index-is-the-cdc-exaggerating-the-number-of-americans-killed-by-covid-19/)

E.g., someone who has, say, asthma has an underlying condition (co-morbidity) that makes COVID fatal for them, whereas the same infection might not kill a perfectly healthy person. In every death listed as a COVID death, COVID is the primary cause of death. People with underlying health conditions are more at risk, but that's not different than any other illness.


It’s weird how the 1.1% death rate for the U.S. hasn’t changed from last year to this year though.

196,000 people have died from COVID in the U.S. There are 328 million people in the U.S. For the death rate to increase by %0.1, 328,000 people would have to die.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on September 11, 2020, 01:21:38 AM
Maybe a simpler way to explain it:

"What the CDC published shows that 6% of coronavirus deaths were from COVID-19 alone while the other 94% of deaths had underlying factors, and while the percentages are true, it doesn’t mean the 6% is the real COVID-19 death count. It means those are the only deaths where patients had no other pre-existing conditions."

https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/09/03/trust-index-is-the-cdc-exaggerating-the-number-of-americans-killed-by-covid-19/ (https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/09/03/trust-index-is-the-cdc-exaggerating-the-number-of-americans-killed-by-covid-19/)

E.g., someone who has, say, asthma has an underlying condition (co-morbidity) that makes COVID fatal for them, whereas the same infection might not kill a perfectly healthy person. In every death listed as a COVID death, COVID is the primary cause of death. People with underlying health conditions are more at risk, but that's not different than any other illness.


It’s weird how the 1.1% death rate for the U.S. hasn’t changed from last year to this year though.

196,000 people have died from COVID in the U.S. There are 328 million people in the U.S. For the death rate to increase by %0.1, 328,000 people would have to die.


Except that according to the CDC, only 6% of that 196,000, or 11,760 people actually died from COVID-19. The rest only had COVID-19 in their system when they died. So how did COVID-19 positive George Floyd die again?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on September 11, 2020, 01:37:16 AM
From a fact checker.

Quote
“I think a more reliable way of assessing the deaths attributable to Covid is to look at the excess over historical overall death rates,” Little suggested. The U.S. has so far had more than 200,000 more deaths than it would in an average year, according to a Science Alert examination of CDC data.

"When we try to understand that, COVID-19 is the most rational and likely explanation. If you don't believe it's COVID-19, try to pinpoint why this year has been so different than any other. Why would a new disease that kills people not be the cause?" argued Justin Lessler, an epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins University.
Our ruling: False

It is false and misleading to claim that only 6% of reported coronavirus deaths were the result of COVID-19. While comorbidities often exacerbate a person's illness from the coronavirus, it is incorrect to state that they are the cause of death rather than the viral infection. We rate this claim FALSE.

Go on, give us a laugh and tell us where you think those extra 200,000 deaths have came from.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on September 11, 2020, 03:07:07 AM
Quote
It is false and misleading to claim that only 6% of reported coronavirus deaths were the result of COVID-19. While comorbidities often exacerbate a person's illness from the coronavirus, it is incorrect to state that they are the cause of death rather than the viral infection. We rate this claim FALSE.

So the CDC lied, eh? Interesting that you never link us to any of these "fact checkers" of yours, Alex.  :lookingup:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on September 11, 2020, 04:45:57 AM
Funny how you never answer the question being asked. Or in the past when I’ve asked you for links you have failed to provide them. Why should I do this for you if you can’t do the same. If you care to check back over previous posts though you will find that I have posted plenty of links to back up my statements.

So I ask you again, why are the average deaths for Americans almost 200,000 higher this year so far?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on September 11, 2020, 07:53:59 AM
Quote
It is false and misleading to claim that only 6% of reported coronavirus deaths were the result of COVID-19. While comorbidities often exacerbate a person's illness from the coronavirus, it is incorrect to state that they are the cause of death rather than the viral infection. We rate this claim FALSE.

So the CDC lied, eh? Interesting that you never link us to any of these "fact checkers" of yours, Alex.  :lookingup:

The fact-checker isn't saying the CDC lied. The CDC never claimed "only 6% of reported coronavirus deaths were the result of COVID-19" and the claim that they did (as circulated in social media memes) is FALSE. That's what Jim and Alex and I have been trying to explain, apparently without success.

Again, the CDC did not make the claim you keep repeating. It's a misinterpretation of what the CDC said that was circulated in social media.

Here's another couple of explanations: https://www.factcheck.org/2020/09/cdc-did-not-admit-only-6-of-recorded-deaths-from-covid-19/ (https://www.factcheck.org/2020/09/cdc-did-not-admit-only-6-of-recorded-deaths-from-covid-19/)

https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2020/9/1/21417579/cdc-qanon-covid-19-underlying-cause-death-certificate (https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2020/9/1/21417579/cdc-qanon-covid-19-underlying-cause-death-certificate)

I don't think any more links would be helpful at this point.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on September 11, 2020, 10:56:19 AM
Quote
It is false and misleading to claim that only 6% of reported coronavirus deaths were the result of COVID-19. While comorbidities often exacerbate a person's illness from the coronavirus, it is incorrect to state that they are the cause of death rather than the viral infection. We rate this claim FALSE.

So the CDC lied, eh? Interesting that you never link us to any of these "fact checkers" of yours, Alex.  :lookingup:

The fact-checker isn't saying the CDC lied. The CDC never claimed "only 6% of reported coronavirus deaths were the result of COVID-19" and the claim that they did (as circulated in social media memes) is FALSE. That's what Jim and Alex and I have been trying to explain, apparently without success.

Again, the CDC did not make the claim you keep repeating. It's a misinterpretation of what the CDC said that was circulated in social media.

Here's another couple of explanations: https://www.factcheck.org/2020/09/cdc-did-not-admit-only-6-of-recorded-deaths-from-covid-19/ (https://www.factcheck.org/2020/09/cdc-did-not-admit-only-6-of-recorded-deaths-from-covid-19/)

https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2020/9/1/21417579/cdc-qanon-covid-19-underlying-cause-death-certificate (https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2020/9/1/21417579/cdc-qanon-covid-19-underlying-cause-death-certificate)

I don't think any more links would be helpful at this point.

At least the CDC is admitting that they are reporting presumed (made-up) COVID deaths as well:

Quote
COVID-19 deaths are identified using a new ICD–10 code. When COVID-19 is reported as a cause of death – or when it is listed as a “probable” or “presumed” cause — the death is coded as U07.1. This can include cases with or without laboratory confirmation.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on September 11, 2020, 11:28:00 AM
Still waiting on that explanation for the 200,000 extra deaths.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on September 11, 2020, 04:51:08 PM
Still waiting on that explanation for the 200,000 extra deaths.

What 200,000 extra deaths? Where did you get that number?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on September 11, 2020, 06:12:03 PM
Still waiting on that explanation for the 200,000 extra deaths.

What 200,000 extra deaths? Where did you get that number?

Are you really that dense?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: El Misfit on September 11, 2020, 06:37:10 PM
Still waiting on that explanation for the 200,000 extra deaths.

What 200,000 extra deaths? Where did you get that number?

Are you really that dense?
Reminder that the spread of Covid is based on two things: How dense the population is and how dense the population is.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on September 11, 2020, 06:39:04 PM
Still waiting on that explanation for the 200,000 extra deaths.

What 200,000 extra deaths? Where did you get that number?

Are you really that dense?
Reminder that the spread of Covid is based on two things: How dense the population is and how dense the population is.

 :thumbup:  :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pacman000 on September 11, 2020, 07:01:32 PM
Correlation != Causation

I’ve heard an increase in the unemployment rate correlates with an increase in the death rate, but I won’t claim unemployment causes the increased number of deaths; saying that would require more research.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on September 11, 2020, 09:23:52 PM
Correlation != Causation

I’ve heard an increase in the unemployment rate correlates with an increase in the death rate, but I won’t claim unemployment causes the increased number of deaths; saying that would require more research.

There is also the misplaced logic being used; that approximately 200,000 COVID-ish deaths is added to the “normal” death rate. But since the “normal” death rate has certainly been altered due to the majority of the U.S. being locked down, shut in, and/or unemployed, then those “normal” death rates have also certainly been altered. I’m just curious as to where Alex is seeing that additional 200,000 deaths.  


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on September 11, 2020, 09:43:54 PM
This board isn't a debating society and we're really getting nowhere, just causing hard feelings.

Might I suggest this registering for this board if you'd like to debate about the CDC and statistics?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?s=502436b6948ccf5f57e2e20f86254db2&t=344976 (http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?s=502436b6948ccf5f57e2e20f86254db2&t=344976) - general coronavirus science thread

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?s=502436b6948ccf5f57e2e20f86254db2&t=344976 (http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?s=502436b6948ccf5f57e2e20f86254db2&t=344976) - covid and politics thread

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=341856 (http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=341856) - coronavirus conspiracy theory thread


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: bob on September 24, 2020, 04:41:46 PM
I FINALLY GOT MY PANDEMIC UNENEMPLOYMENT  :teddyr: :teddyr: :teddyr: :teddyr: :teddyr: :teddyr: :teddyr: :teddyr:

I'm not sure if I got everything that's coming to me, but the state website said that they'll be mailing me instructions incase I got shortchanged so I can retroactively make claims  :teddyr:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: bob on September 26, 2020, 04:42:22 PM
I'll be ok with what I got, the bulk of it was from the CARES Act

my state pandemic unemployment weekly claims going forward isn't much, but it helps

I'm doubting schools will be opened by my district for the 2nd quarter (my district is taking things on a quarter by quarter basis to figure out how teachers will work the distrct, currently it's all remote which puts me and every other sub in the district out of work) as COVID cases in Wisconsin are skyrocketing because of people refusing to wears masks among other things


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: bob on September 28, 2020, 06:21:32 PM
so let me see if I understand this: because I am a substitute teacher my claim for pandemic unemployment was denied after the CARES Act benefits expired because schools closed in June, even though school started up again recently

yes... beyond angry and I will appeal the ruling

 :hatred: :hatred: :hatred: :hatred: :hatred: :hatred: :hatred: :hatred: :hatred: :hatred:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on September 28, 2020, 10:34:00 PM
Several people I know have fallen sick in the last week and one has tested positive for COVID.  Not good.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zombie no.one on September 29, 2020, 07:02:37 AM
This board isn't a debating society and we're really getting nowhere, just causing hard feelings.
exactly why I now refuse to discuss this either online or IRL... there are so many ways to clash on this one basic issue. why risk potentially falling out with friends, family, workmates... not worth it.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on October 02, 2020, 12:19:13 AM
trump  and it's too late here for me to care at all in looking up but him and his wife have Covid no joke it showed up on my phone like 10 minutes ago


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on October 02, 2020, 05:55:46 AM
trump  and it's too late here for me to care at all in looking up but him and his wife have Covid no joke it showed up on my phone like 10 minutes ago

I thought it was a joke-your right. No joke.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on October 02, 2020, 06:23:25 AM
Wishing them a speedy recovery!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on October 02, 2020, 07:48:06 AM
Yes, let's all wish them a speedy recovery.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: VenomX73 on October 02, 2020, 11:12:38 AM
Wishing them a speedy recovery


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on October 02, 2020, 09:33:39 PM
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/7d/49/96/7d4996af8697c0c8c47e7f29cb505e5e.jpg)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on October 03, 2020, 11:37:39 AM
while i didn't want him to get it but it also kinda feels like karma for once got him after all the crap he's done but at the same time i hope he doesn't die from it either i'd rather see him in jail after he leaves the white house than being dead from the virus.

in short i didn't wish that on him or his wife. i also think it's his own fault with him barely wearing a mask and going to places that had a slew of cases so who knows where he got it? had be been more careful he might not have gotten it but we will never know on that one either way i hope he recovers from it


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on October 03, 2020, 11:39:34 AM
" It is what it is ".
-Donald Trump


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: bob on October 03, 2020, 02:46:13 PM
I'm hoping people who weren't taking this seriously, like not wearing a mask etc. will now that Trump got COVID


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on October 03, 2020, 07:38:45 PM
i am curious how much of an effect that will have on his cult? i saw it somewhere i forget where it said there was already a woman who said it was fake that he didn't have it at all but another ploy to get him out of office. WHAT? when the guy himself actually admits that he's got it and tells the truth about something for once in his life they choose to Ignore the truth and believe his lies?  

i don't see that logic though i do wonder leaving that idiot who said that alone for a minute his cult though are they going to take better precautions i wonder? i really doubt it but their lord and savior has gotten it. what are they gonna next turn to Mike Pence a guy who's whiter than Casper The Friendly Ghost hmm i wonder?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on October 03, 2020, 08:39:51 PM
I don't feel bad for him. Stupid is as stupid does.
"It is what it is."  :lookingup:
If I die from liver failure or a heart attack it's my own dam fault. I don't spread that to other people.
His buddy Herman Cain died from it by being at one of his rallies. He should have had a clue there. He has put people in danger from his flip attitude.
Tiana works at a nursing home where people have this covid s**t. She don't have it. I don't have it.
All he needed to do was wear a f**king mask.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on October 03, 2020, 11:14:54 PM
did you know that he was headed to i think Michigan which apparently is is the most infected for one of his rally but than he got sick and THANK GOD he didn't go it would have made it so much worse. the thing is if he does die we get stuck with Casper The friendly Ghost who i have a feeling is so much worse cause he's got a brain in his head and can actually get sh*t done and it won't be to help anyone but himself and his hoodlum rich billionaires.  that's not the word i was looking for but close enough that's why i said that about Trump.



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on October 03, 2020, 11:39:42 PM
I Kinda understand your typing. I like you-type so I can understand what your saying. Use periods and commas. I like you! Just type better. Your not stupid. It's not real hard.

(https://i.imgur.com/YKwT78O.jpg) (https://lunapic.com)

(that picture of Lon Chaney Jr. has not a thing what we were talking about.)
Actually -what am I talking about?
I'm f**ked up as a can of worms even when I'm sober.
Oh yeah!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on October 04, 2020, 04:49:31 AM
i've never been good at that kind of stuff you aren't the 1st person to tell me that and i do try my best which is another reason why i don't think i'll be writing a book anytime soon,  i used to try and write novels but i could only go so far and it's just not in me to write a novel well good anyways.

my forte i guess is poetry and even than i'm never sure if i put a period or a comma in the right places all i can do is just hope for the best ya know?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on October 04, 2020, 11:29:09 AM
I'm sorry I went apes**t on your spelling skills.
Somebody slap me in the face and bring me back to reality!  :bluesad:
I really am sorry.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on October 04, 2020, 11:34:03 AM
did you know that he was headed to i think Michigan which apparently is is the most infected for one of his rally but than he got sick and THANK GOD he didn't go it would have made it so much worse. the thing is if he does die we get stuck with Casper The friendly Ghost who i have a feeling is so much worse cause he's got a brain in his head and can actually get sh*t done and it won't be to help anyone but himself and his hoodlum rich billionaires.  that's not the word i was looking for but close enough that's why i said that about Trump.



He has been in Michigan.

https://apnews.com/article/d242a3d0a5bd4dbfd75f99c709408b01


I was at Walgreens filling a prescription and some shmuck was told to put a mask on- they even offered him one- and he went apes**t.  WHY? It's so simple.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: El Misfit on October 05, 2020, 02:50:51 PM
Saw yesterday that Donnie went out for a photo op, putting others at risk. Everyday I'm floored at his recklessness.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: VenomX73 on October 05, 2020, 02:58:23 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/YKwT78O.jpg) (https://lunapic.com)

(that picture of Lon Chaney Jr. has not a thing what we were talking about.)
Actually -what am I talking about?

lol  :bouncegiggle: what movie is that from, Bela?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on October 05, 2020, 03:11:41 PM
^ A SCREAM IN THE NIGHT (1935)
That's 6 years before the WOLF MAN and 5 before the role that made him a star- OF MICE AND MEN.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0026971/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_180 (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0026971/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_180)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on October 05, 2020, 11:00:40 PM
RC i'm not mad don't worry you asked with respect & that's how i took it too. when someone asks respectful i answer it that way or i just ignore their rudeness and just answer with respect anyways. & as for Trump leaving the hospital after only 3 days i don't think i've ever met anyone in my entire life who's this stupid as he is. hell i saw only that Jr wants to do a intervention on him cause he's doing stupid stuff, uh a bit late for that ain't it Jr? 

if anyone out there who is handicapped with the IQ of -3 if that is even possible is out there even they would stay in the hospital. and him going out to wave to his cult it's just his ego is so f..... Huge that he can't  at anytime listen to his doctors who i'm guessing he didn't listen to or they were paid extra to let him leave. even though mild or not Tom Hanks was Mild & though his Lovely Wife Rita had a more severe batch of it he was still in Quarantine  for quite awhile not just 3 days.

why? cause he's a smart man & listened to the doctors & well Trump is a guy that said well you just got  to rake the forest & how trees that are hundreds of years old just catch on fire or some BS that he said. ya know i don't think there has anyone in this lifetime or in the past has ever been this stupid as far as i know?

can anyone correct me?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on October 06, 2020, 09:07:23 AM
My impression, from watching Trump's shenanigans, is this.

He probably left the hospital against medical advice, and is probably sicker than is being let on.  He is obviously laboring to breathe and he was not admitted for long enough, by the usual practices.
I was a hospitalist just up until a few years ago.  I've seen how people can be.    He got sick and his handlers managed to bulldog him into being admitted, but he refused to stay -- he wouldn't have gone in if he wasn't worried and not feeling well, because that just makes him look weak to the world, which he hates.  So I don't think it was an overly cautious hospital admit that then lead to a too-sudden discharge.

More likely is that he should still be in the hospital but refused to stay longer.  (I wonder how much autonomy a sitting US president has to leave against medical advice.  I presume that he can.)    I've seen how military and governmental doctors can act with VIP treatment plans -- these kinds of people can get irrationally over-treated, on the illogical pretense that it's better to over-aggressively treat public figures and other "important" people.  (As if the non-famous among us are not important.)     So Trump got admitted, got over-treated, and then left AMA is my summary guess.

He's on dexamethasone which is going to make him sleep worse, be more energetic and irritable.  If he's diabetic or on stimulants or what have you, he'll feel even worse and may behave even less at some kind of rational baseline.

Going to be an interesting week here in the US, for sure, and we've had plenty of interesting weeks already.



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 06, 2020, 12:12:47 PM
or it cold be that covid is weakening. lots of college students coming back to school have tested positive and virtually none of them even required hospitalization.  these things do run their course


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Jim H on October 06, 2020, 12:39:42 PM
or it cold be that covid is weakening. lots of college students coming back to school have tested positive and virtually none of them even required hospitalization.  these things do run their course


Not super likely, in this particular case.  Corona viruses mutate relatively slowly, they're not like the flu - which is good and bad, really, as viruses can mutate to be worse and they can mutate to be less severe.  It also means the vaccines will probably be even more helpful than they are against flu. 

You can also look at the new cases VS new deaths and it looks to be fairly stable relative to age groups.  Young and healthy people usually recovered well at the beginning, and they still do now.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on October 06, 2020, 04:36:38 PM
i was watching hmm i forget who was it last night that said that it  said it like this the 1st week they felt sick the 2nd one if they get better they feel great and the third week their immune system gets a kick in the ass cause the virus kicks into high gear and that's when you die, my apologies for getting it wrong if i did.

we do have a man child as a president who throws a tantrum when he finds out nobody likes him. there was something else i wanted to say but i for the life of me cannot remember what it was,  but i do think he's still sick yet he yeah i agree thinks that if he's in it's a sign of weakness to his cult even though he's nothing but weakness & couldn't even lead a Preschooler  to the bathroom without failing even that. he's also the type that thinks that going even taking tylenol for a headache is a sign of weakness sorry for the crap spelling.

did you see that he said the checks i forget what they are called cause it's just one of those days where Trump said it will have to wait until after the election, than the stocks started to go down. hmmm i wonder why? what is more important to people them keeping their home or him staying in office? well to him that's a given staying in office but he could care less anyways but to everyone who isn't rich like him we care about those oh it came to me those Stimulus checks



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on October 06, 2020, 05:13:39 PM
Our tiny little church has shut down completely again because of COVID - we have 12 cases in a congregation of 50!
Looks like my wife and I dodged the bullet, but a lot of our friends are sick right now.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on October 06, 2020, 05:27:06 PM
I still don't personally know anyone who's contracted it, but I do know someone who lost an uncle and aunt to it.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Jim H on October 06, 2020, 06:27:52 PM
I still don't personally know anyone who's contracted it, but I do know someone who lost an uncle and aunt to it.

Here's some stupidity.  You remember when Arizona and Florida were shooting through the roof in their case counts?  I have an in-law who went on a "girl vacation" sort of thing to both places in the middle of that.  They all went together, flew, and went drinking in bars and other nonsense.  Got unknowingly infected.  Then she met up with her 65+ year old father while he was on a road trip in the area.  Got him sick.  Then they flew back to recuperate, confirmed with COVID, without telling anyone on the flight about it.  And infected multiple other family members once they got back.  So yeah, I know 5 or 6 people who've had it now...

None of them died thankfully.  The father was feeling absolutely awful for weeks, but is on the mend and doing better now.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on October 06, 2020, 06:49:38 PM
oh that would really p**s me off if it it was my family. but thankfully they got lucky and are still alive.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on October 06, 2020, 07:51:32 PM
I still don't personally know anyone who's contracted it, but I do know someone who lost an uncle and aunt to it.

Here's some stupidity.  You remember when Arizona and Florida were shooting through the roof in their case counts?  I have an in-law who went on a "girl vacation" sort of thing to both places in the middle of that.  They all went together, flew, and went drinking in bars and other nonsense.  Got unknowingly infected.  Then she met up with her 65+ year old father while he was on a road trip in the area.  Got him sick.  Then they flew back to recuperate, confirmed with COVID, without telling anyone on the flight about it.  And infected multiple other family members once they got back.  So yeah, I know 5 or 6 people who've had it now...

None of them died thankfully.  The father was feeling absolutely awful for weeks, but is on the mend and doing better now.

I am not scared of contracting Covid for my own sake, but I'm very nervous about unknowingly passing it to my parents, who are in their mid 70s.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on October 06, 2020, 09:09:07 PM
or it cold be that covid is weakening. lots of college students coming back to school have tested positive and virtually none of them even required hospitalization.  these things do run their course

I guess I wonder what you mean, exactly.

Some organisms change and become less virulent, or else we change our defenses (like with vaccines and other public health measures).

Some wishful thinking, but not logical.  We've known for a while that the young people seldom die and don't get pneumonia from covid as often.   It's basically a linear graph of age and comorbidities correlating with severity and death.  That hasn't shown any sign of changing.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on October 06, 2020, 09:14:53 PM
i remember what i wanted to say one of the side effects that Colbert was saying last night of the drugs he's on is burning ass. i''m not even joking he said that. well he knows all about being one so it's fitting that well... 

as for the science i'm not sure how that would work if it's gotten stronger or weaker on how i read it awhile back it's gotten stronger cause as you said it's mutated.  but who knows maybe i'm wrong i dunno that's how i read it as


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 06, 2020, 10:45:08 PM
I've had a couple passengers who've had it. it doesn't sound like fun, but obviously they lived.



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on October 07, 2020, 03:15:42 AM
i have an uncle who died of it and he  was living in a nursing home he had been ill to begin with but catching covid didn't help the matter though. honestly i forget he even had died and it's a great uncle actually who i've met only like once or twice in my life and that's about it. i am not sure if any other relatives have died from it though


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on October 07, 2020, 06:51:59 AM
Steven Miller- the bald head Nosferatu guy who tells Trump what to say- is Covid positive.
That makes at least 10 people in the White House that are positive.
And some Pentagon officials too.


Gotta love him!

(https://i.imgur.com/wyutuZe.gif) (https://lunapic.com)

If either one of them smiled their face would crack up and split. Like a wax mask. I bet even money they crawl into a closet after they have sex and cry! Likely has more fun if a leather queen is beating his ass!  :tongueout:
Of course that's all JUST MY MIND. I may be wrong!



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on October 07, 2020, 11:04:07 AM
Here's who has it in the White House-

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/07/white-house-coronavirus-cluster-who-has-tested-positive (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/07/white-house-coronavirus-cluster-who-has-tested-positive)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on October 12, 2020, 12:30:59 AM
i don't care what trump's doctors say i think he's still got it and i would not be surprised if he was forced to give him an all clear, Covid does not get out of your system that damn fast.  i was watching a video about this yesterday and they were giving his heart rate or rather were talking about how the info we now have about how Trump's imitation of a heart is doing. from what they claim he has the heart of a 25 year old Athlete and we know they thing he picks up other than a golf club is a cheeseburger and some KFC.

he's gonna infect more people and he just simply does not give a rat's ass who dies not that he ever cares to begin with. but this is just murder and he's of course getting away with it which is just screwed up beyond belief


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pacman000 on October 27, 2020, 08:05:30 AM
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-54696873 (http://www.bbc.com/news/health-54696873)

Oh dear...

Quote
Antibodies are a key part of our immune defences and stop the virus from getting inside the body's cells.

The Imperial College London team found the number of people testing positive for antibodies has fallen by 26% between June and September.

They say immunity appears to be fading and there is a risk of catching the virus multiple times.
:bluesad:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on October 27, 2020, 04:16:46 PM
now Casper Pence has as of yesterday anyways 5 people in his office that have it and he still refuses to take precautions that's not at all surprising but it disgusts me how everyone who seem to work for that family including the family just does not care about infecting anyone, anyone at all nor do any of them care if anyone dies from it either regardless if they have it or not.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pacman000 on October 29, 2020, 08:02:13 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/i-don-t-want-these-dogs-to-suffer-pet-surrenders-becoming-tragic-part-of-pandemic/ar-BB1auPaT?ocid=msedgntp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/i-don-t-want-these-dogs-to-suffer-pet-surrenders-becoming-tragic-part-of-pandemic/ar-BB1auPaT?ocid=msedgntp)

Quote
After suffering financial trouble because of the COVID-19 pandemic, the 58-year-old former construction worker didn’t know what to do with them at first.

Should he take money out of his retirement savings early, making it possible to keep caring for his dogs in rural Northern California? Or should he give them away to ease his economic situation?

"I couldn't find a place to rent that would take dogs," said Crowe, who works in a warehouse making $17 per hour part-time after his hours and other work options were reduced this year. “It was horrible.”


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on October 29, 2020, 10:40:28 AM
Haven't you heard? It's over!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/10/27/white-house-lists-ending-covid-19-pandemic-as-trump-accomplishment/#36fc1bf01034 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/10/27/white-house-lists-ending-covid-19-pandemic-as-trump-accomplishment/#36fc1bf01034)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on October 29, 2020, 02:58:47 PM
Haven't you heard? It's over!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/10/27/white-house-lists-ending-covid-19-pandemic-as-trump-accomplishment/#36fc1bf01034 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/10/27/white-house-lists-ending-covid-19-pandemic-as-trump-accomplishment/#36fc1bf01034)
 

 :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pacman000 on October 30, 2020, 01:23:48 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/how-americans-felt-about-masks-during-the-1918-flu-pandemic/ar-BB1axXFG?ocid=msedgntp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/how-americans-felt-about-masks-during-the-1918-flu-pandemic/ar-BB1axXFG?ocid=msedgntp)

Masks During the 1919 Pandemic

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As Americans were celebrating victory in World War I in the fall of 1918, the masks on returning troops showed that the U.S. was losing another war against the so-called Spanish Flu.

Masks were controversial back then "for many of the same reasons they are today," said Nancy Tomes, a history professor at the State University of New York at Stony Brook.



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on October 30, 2020, 01:28:57 PM
2 residents at the nursing home that Tiana works at are positive. This is not good.
I live in the middle of Buttf**k, Nowhere.
This s**t is here!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pacman000 on October 30, 2020, 01:50:10 PM
I'm sorry that's happening. It is not good. Don't know what else to say, or what to do at all.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on October 30, 2020, 09:47:23 PM
I live in a rural county an hour outside of Dallas.  We've had about 200 new cases and a half dozen or so new deaths in the last two weeks, one of them a woman who attended my church.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: claws on November 01, 2020, 11:12:50 PM
As of today Germany is starting a new 2 week lockdown. We used to be one of the safest places to be during the pandemic. How quicky things change.

My nephew's father tested positive last week. My nephew and his wife will get tested today. They are already in quarantaine. I haven't had contact with my nephew since July though.
My sisters husband was showing "symptons" and was tested last week wednesday. His results will be in today. Haven't had contact with my sister and her husband since early October.

I just hope they didn't catch the virus.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Trevor on November 01, 2020, 11:15:29 PM
There were rumors last week that the SA government is considering taking us back to Level Three (of five) lockdown rules: Level five is total shutdown of everything and we were on level four for almost three months.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on November 02, 2020, 12:10:52 AM
I just had a FB friend post: "Only two days of 'Rona left!"

(Referencing his view that the coverage of the virus is an orchestrated attempt to get rid of Trump and the media will quit reporting it after the election.)

I'm REALLY trying not to get into political fights on social media, but the idea that anyone could be that stupid infuriates me!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: claws on November 02, 2020, 12:17:45 AM
I just had a FB friend post: "Only two days of 'Rona left!"

A good example of what's wrong with the world these days.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: claws on November 03, 2020, 02:41:20 PM
My nephew and his wife tested positive. So far only mild symptoms. Other than that they are doing fine. My brotherr in law's test didn't come through yet but he said he is feeling better. My sister was feeling sick over the weekend and was short of breath yesterday. She's feeling ok today. Never thought the virus would hit so close to home.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on November 03, 2020, 02:45:50 PM
My nephew and his wife tested positive. So far only mild symptoms. Other than that they are doing fine. My brotherr in law's test didn't come through yet but he said he is feeling better. My sister was feeling sick over the weekend and was short of breath yesterday. She's feeling ok today. Never thought the virus would hit so close to home.

Sorry to hear that. Hope they make a full recovery. Most do.  :thumbup:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on November 03, 2020, 10:15:57 PM
Many more of us will get it before a vaccine is available.   

DO NOT let up with precautions, do not let your fatigue and malaise dealing with all of this make you careless.   (I wear a mask at work all day and I see patients with covid, and everything else that Pacific Northwesterners get.)

I completely understand the fatigue because I feel it too. 

Or, to put it cooler:

I know we're all in strung out shape but stay frosty and alert. We can't afford to let one of those bastards in here!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on November 04, 2020, 01:24:17 AM
man this p**ses me off though the election is not over as of this typing let's face it we've got this criminal clown for another 4 years because Americans are idiots and i'm from there so i can say that. this country is dead and just should close it's doors cause he's killed it. we had a chance of having a leader but we lost it because though Biden was a terrible choice to being with let's face it they both were. i did vote but apparently it did not a damn of a difference.

how anyone could want someone who literally cares about weather no one lives or dies just as long as it's not him i don't get it.  i really don't i will never understand why anyone would want to vote for him at all i wouldn't even let him walk my dog across the street that's how little i trust him-


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: claws on November 04, 2020, 01:52:59 AM
My nephew and his wife tested positive. So far only mild symptoms. Other than that they are doing fine. My brotherr in law's test didn't come through yet but he said he is feeling better. My sister was feeling sick over the weekend and was short of breath yesterday. She's feeling ok today. Never thought the virus would hit so close to home.

Sorry to hear that. Hope they make a full recovery. Most do.  :thumbup:

My sisters husband was tested negative. So glad about that.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on November 04, 2020, 02:00:23 AM
i'm glad to hear that too, when i went to vote yesterday though there was a married couple in their car and one of them had a mask on & they said they had Covid we had masks on but did not get close to them at all but ya know what? they stayed in their car & someone came out to help them so the fact that they didn't go in and stayed in their car i give them major props for.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on November 04, 2020, 05:44:02 PM
man this p**ses me off though the election is not over as of this typing let's face it we've got this criminal clown for another 4 years because Americans are idiots and i'm from there so i can say that. this country is dead and just should close it's doors cause he's killed it. we had a chance of having a leader but we lost it because though Biden was a terrible choice to being with let's face it they both were. i did vote but apparently it did not a damn of a difference.

how anyone could want someone who literally cares about weather no one lives or dies just as long as it's not him i don't get it.  i really don't i will never understand why anyone would want to vote for him at all i wouldn't even let him walk my dog across the street that's how little i trust him-

The Cheetoh is going to lose, Pennywise.  Joe will have to deal with Moscow Mitch and his cronies in the senate, but at least America will have a president not drunk and taking benzos and stimulants and tweeting ten times at 2:30 AM.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on November 04, 2020, 05:59:27 PM
^ I don't think Trump is drunk or doing speed!  :bouncegiggle:
If he was, it may help explain his words.
I mean, I'm drunk a lot, and I'm stupid a lot, but I'm not President!  :buggedout:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on November 04, 2020, 10:52:14 PM
your honest about that RC i give you that,  and ya know what? i hope i am wrong on Trump winning i honestly don't think they both would make good presidents but as the saying goes the lesser of two evils and i just cannot take another 4 years with the orange bunker boy


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on November 05, 2020, 07:47:34 AM
Yeah, I had the same guy post yesterday - "Gee, no news about 'Rona today!  Imagine that!"

On the day when the worldwide death toll hit a new record, and it was mentioned on all the networks.

MORON.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pacman000 on November 05, 2020, 11:07:33 AM
Mutated Coronavirus Attacks Minks, Spreads to Humans: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/denmark-to-cull-mink-population-after-finding-coronavirus-mutation-that-spread-to-humans/ar-BB1aHebA?ocid=msedgntp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/denmark-to-cull-mink-population-after-finding-coronavirus-mutation-that-spread-to-humans/ar-BB1aHebA?ocid=msedgntp)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on November 06, 2020, 07:49:46 PM
Over 100,000 new cases in the USA for two days in a row now.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on November 08, 2020, 01:31:39 AM
we are past 5,000 cases here in Ohio and yes i was wrong about Trump Winning THANK GOD!  now i didn't want to vote for Biden and i did but than as the saying it's the lesser of two evils. the 1st thing he needs to do is make it mandatory statewide for you to wear a mask and hire back Dr. Falcuii i dunno how to spell his name? if Trump fires him.

but someone online said they had that the orange Cheetoo using my words wants to run again in 4 years. months ago i heard they are trying to get one of his idiot sons to run i sure as hell hope not cause they are even dumber than him i think.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on November 09, 2020, 12:53:23 PM
Promising vaccine news: https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN27P1CT (https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN27P1CT)

That doesn't mean it's over yet, but there is more reason to hope.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on November 09, 2020, 11:04:52 PM
on my celly it popped up that about a cure where it says it was 90% ready to go to trial but that's only one drug even if it works. we all know that many who take that will have issues like all drugs so they will in due time have like 43 different kinds of drugs that will hep various people they are gonna make bilions of these drugs even if they make them affordable which i really doubt


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on November 10, 2020, 02:19:52 AM
I am hopeful about this vaccine, however I would also like to know how long it lasts. Will booster shots be required?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on November 10, 2020, 08:36:44 AM
Lots of questions left to be answered. Psychologically, people want instant certainty and 100% results, but it's not going to happen that way. Still, things are looking in a generally upwards direction.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Trevor on November 12, 2020, 09:46:28 AM
The so-called "State of Disaster" in SA has been extended by another month to December 15th.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on November 12, 2020, 10:58:12 AM
4 of the residents at the nursing home Tiana works at have Covid. They got it from the 6 workers who had it.
If I die this year, you'll know why. Unless I drink myself to death, which I doubt will happen, because I been trying to do that for years!  :tongueout:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 12, 2020, 01:48:28 PM
you'll know if you have it because you can't taste anything


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on November 12, 2020, 07:27:22 PM
The student who waltzed into my class the day before the election saying: "Guess what, Mr. Smith!  COVID will be over tomorrow!" is at home, quarantined, with a positive COVID test.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Jim H on November 13, 2020, 12:59:36 AM
They just announced a 30 day increase of restrictions here in St. Louis, both in the City and in the County.  Almost none of it will affect me, as I've been largely staying home.  Hospitals here are approaching peak capacity - they're turning away people from rural hospitals already.  Stinks, but when you're already mostly hunkering down, it is what it is.

Oh, here's a random stat I saw: Belgium had close to 350 deaths yesterday.  On a per capita basis, that'd be like if the USA had around 10,000 deaths in a single day.  Belgium keeps being the worst hit European country, and I'm pretty curious why - what's so different between them and, say, France or the Netherlands, the culturally/linguistically closest countries?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on November 16, 2020, 12:11:33 AM
Reminder that President Trump is still our President. The Trump Administration strikes a deal to make COVID-19 vaccine free at major pharmacies in the U.S.

https://nypost.com/2020/11/12/feds-strike-deal-to-make-covid-19-vaccine-free-at-major-pharmacies/ (https://nypost.com/2020/11/12/feds-strike-deal-to-make-covid-19-vaccine-free-at-major-pharmacies/)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on November 16, 2020, 11:18:52 AM
Reminder that President Trump is still our President. The Trump Administration strikes a deal to make COVID-19 vaccine free at major pharmacies in the U.S.

https://nypost.com/2020/11/12/feds-strike-deal-to-make-covid-19-vaccine-free-at-major-pharmacies/ (https://nypost.com/2020/11/12/feds-strike-deal-to-make-covid-19-vaccine-free-at-major-pharmacies/)

Not for very much longer.

It's hard to know how to feel about articles like this.   Given, true.

But, what has the Con been doing this week, and last week, and what else has he done for the common man lately?  He's apparently not really working, not pushing government leaders to take effective action *against* the pandemic -- not demanding that his toadies in the Senate put together a reasonable relief package, a mask mandate, and a shutdown to stop the surge of cases we're having now.

Actions now will shape the months to come, and he's doing exactly jack s**t, it seems.   Or am I missing something important?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 16, 2020, 02:03:50 PM
People still eating outside at restaurants its like 40 degress


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on November 16, 2020, 02:07:30 PM
They just locked down Michigan again.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: sprite75 on November 17, 2020, 11:28:04 AM
Meanwhile in Calfornia Gov. Newsom done (https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/california-gov-newsom-says-he-made-bad-mistake-attending-french-laundry/?sba=AAS) f**ked up big time.

Quote
California Gov. Gavin Newsom on Monday apologized for what he called “a bad mistake” in attending a birthday party that broke the very rules that he has been preaching to slow the spread of the coronavirus.

The lapse came just as California is seeing a surge in coronavirus infections and hospitalizations, and as health officials lobby residents to skip traditional Thanksgiving and holiday gatherings or self-quarantine if they travel travel.

State and local officials have largely blamed recent increases on such social gatherings, and media experts said Newsom’s failure to abide by his own rules may have hurt his credibility just as the state is trying once again to tighten them. Newsom announced Monday that more counties will move more quickly into increased business restrictions as the state tries to head off a further spike in cases.

Newsom said he is concerned that he may have undermined his own message.

That sort of s**t drives me up the f**king wall.  It really does.  We have people who have put their lives on hold and are on the edge of losing everything and/or getting sick from the virus and he acts like this?  I had my way he'd resign today.  No half-hearted apologies.  Get the f**k out before you do even more damage.  I'm down with the restrictions as long as there are firm reminders in place for government officials that this is not an excuse to wipe their butts with the Constitution and treat it like a prison shakedown and they never ask anyone to make sacrifices they aren't willing to make themselves.  Because these restrictions are needed to get the virus under control but he just telegraphed that idiots like Kim Reynolds in Iowa are on the right course in pretending the pandemic doesn't exist.   

If I sound angry it's because I should be in Greece right now.  I had a tour to Greece booked for this week in November that I had to cancel earlier this year because of the pandemic.  Plus I had to give up my law school graduation and the brewery bash for it too.  And he acts like rules are for other people.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on November 17, 2020, 06:12:46 PM
Hypocrisy may be the one thing in America today that is TRULY bipartisan.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on November 18, 2020, 11:19:44 AM
Reminder that President Trump is still our President. The Trump Administration strikes a deal to make COVID-19 vaccine free at major pharmacies in the U.S.

https://nypost.com/2020/11/12/feds-strike-deal-to-make-covid-19-vaccine-free-at-major-pharmacies/ (https://nypost.com/2020/11/12/feds-strike-deal-to-make-covid-19-vaccine-free-at-major-pharmacies/)

 More bulls**t.
And quoting the National Enquirer of NYC (I lived there) doesn't help your argument.
Lying is his game plan.
Tiana works at a nursing home as a RNC. 12 workers tested positive. 6 residents are positive.
Where she used to work here in Lawton,75 (!) residents tested positive, and so did half the staff!
These are towns with less than a population of 2,000!
This is f**king serious, man! And Dr. Atlas is telling old people to go to they're Last Supper!
This f**king Atlas quack is telling Michigan to " Rise Above!" restrictions!
" Be a real He- Man!"
(https://i.imgur.com/MsIFk56.jpg) (https://lunapic.com)


Michigan- where a bunch of Nazis planned on kidnapping the Governor and executing her on film!  :bluesad:

So what's going on in Alaska?
 Besides sitting in bars b!tching at the wall mounted TV?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Trevor on November 18, 2020, 12:19:10 PM
Lately less and less people who live in Pretoria are wearing masks: some stores have even stopped taking people's temperatures but I also believe there've been a lot of complaints about the temperature taking. Some of my colleagues won't submit to having their temperature taken as the people doing it are not medically trained.*

* I was refused entrance to work about two months ago because my temperature was 38 degrees Celsius: I had been sitting in a hot car for almost half an hour and I am on meds.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 18, 2020, 01:57:36 PM
your uncle can't have a funeral but...

Quote
California Medical Association officials were among the guests seated next to Gov. Gavin Newsom at a top California political operative’s opulent birthday dinner at the French Laundry restaurant this month.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on November 18, 2020, 03:18:33 PM
They just locked down Michigan again.

You gotta admit, most of Michigan *needs* to be locked down... locked up... whatever.  :D

(Cat scratch fever!  Na na naaaaah!)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: sprite75 on November 18, 2020, 07:35:07 PM
your uncle can't have a funeral but...

Quote
California Medical Association officials were among the guests seated next to Gov. Gavin Newsom at a top California political operative’s opulent birthday dinner at the French Laundry restaurant this month.

I honestly think Newsom should offer to resign at this point.  If he's going to give his opponents ammo to say he's a wealthy out of touch jackass who makes rules he has no intention of living by himself then he needs to step down.  We're in a crisis and he's not helping.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on November 18, 2020, 08:51:34 PM
They just locked down Michigan again.

You gotta admit, most of Michigan *needs* to be locked down... locked up... whatever.  :D

(Cat scratch fever!  Na na naaaaah!)

I worked for Ted Nugent once. I never will again.

But no. There are bad things going on here. It's not a 'Flordia Man' joke. Serious violent s**t is coming down here. We got these proud bubbas running around with guns. Trying to kidnap the f**king govener.
I'm not gonna leave. This is my house here. Why is it funny? Move back home, see how funny it is.
f**k, man. Where do you live now, so I can insult you on an even playing field?

EDIT: Man, I'm sorry. I know your joking. But s**t is intense here, man. It's hard to joke when your sweetie is a health care worker being mocked by people. Being singled out because she's black.  I live in stupid country. I grew up with theses folks.It's f**king insane. Nobody in town ever bothers us. But at work, Tiana is not part of any group of friends. She was friends with a Mexican girl who moved, and is friends with 2 hillbilly sisters. Nice folks too. Otherwise, her co-workers avoid her.
There are not a lot of black folks around here. Buncha rednecks. Who call black folks "n****rs".


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: chefzombie on November 18, 2020, 11:47:08 PM
the USA hit a quarter million deaths today. there is now a death rate of one american per minute of the day. and people are still calling it fake, and refusing to do a damned thing to protect themselves, much less others. at this rate we WILL see 400,000+ deaths by christmas. hallefrigginlujah.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on November 19, 2020, 12:50:08 AM
They just locked down Michigan again.

You gotta admit, most of Michigan *needs* to be locked down... locked up... whatever.  :D

(Cat scratch fever!  Na na naaaaah!)

I worked for Ted Nugent once. I never will again.

But no. There are bad things going on here. It's not a 'Flordia Man' joke. Serious violent s**t is coming down here. We got these proud bubbas running around with guns. Trying to kidnap the f**king govener.
I'm not gonna leave. This is my house here. Why is it funny? Move back home, see how funny it is.
f**k, man. Where do you live now, so I can insult you on an even playing field?

EDIT: Man, I'm sorry. I know your joking. But s**t is intense here, man. It's hard to joke when your sweetie is a health care worker being mocked by people. Being singled out because she's black.  I live in stupid country. I grew up with theses folks.It's f**king insane. Nobody in town ever bothers us. But at work, Tiana is not part of any group of friends. She was friends with a Mexican girl who moved, and is friends with 2 hillbilly sisters. Nice folks too. Otherwise, her co-workers avoid her.
There are not a lot of black folks around here. Buncha rednecks. Who call black folks "n****rs".

I shoulda been more careful, RC, I'm sorry.    I didn't mean to more than *jokingly* insult.   And we all make fun of Florida -- unless we live there too!      Been since the 1980's since I lived in southern MI (close to Cassopolis), but I know there are real problems.    I live in Washington state now.  Eastern WA has the same basic yahoo potential as southern MI does.  Drive east far enough and you see the same basic mentality, the same type of xenophobia, and anti-science, anti-vaxx too sometimes.    Camping this summer we saw almost no one wearing masks, and they looked crosswise at us because we did.   Crazy.  They were just behind the covid curve then.   They aren't now.

Drive even a little further east and you get to Hayden, Idaho -- heard of that place before, know what they are famous for?     In no way was I trying to say I'm better than you, or that this place is better than my childhood stomping grounds.   I was just riffing on what you wrote, is all.

I was amazed that people are even *allowed* to carry in governmental offices in MI.  I hope that the feds lock those DOMESTIC TERRORISTS up after trying them as such.

But, this is where we are..  Trump and Bannon and their ilk (small, afraid people with money) have emboldened the racism in the small, afraid people who have no money.
It's going to be some going before we get to better place as a country.   

I'm not going anywhere either -- not giving up what my country should be, for what the racists and xenophobes want it to be.

i wish it were better for Tiana.  .. .there's nothing I can say there.  I wish that a racist piece of s**t had not been elected president, to embolden other racist pieces of s**t, to talk to her in that way.   Stay safe, the both of you, please.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on November 19, 2020, 06:52:47 AM
  ^ I'm sorry, Zap.
I shouldn't have blown up like that on you.
I feel the same.  :bluesad:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on November 19, 2020, 12:48:47 PM
Reminder that President Trump is still our President. The Trump Administration strikes a deal to make COVID-19 vaccine free at major pharmacies in the U.S.

https://nypost.com/2020/11/12/feds-strike-deal-to-make-covid-19-vaccine-free-at-major-pharmacies/ (https://nypost.com/2020/11/12/feds-strike-deal-to-make-covid-19-vaccine-free-at-major-pharmacies/)

Serious question for you, zelmo. I'm not trying to start an argument--I'm legitimately curious. Will you take the vaccine when it's available?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on November 19, 2020, 03:27:49 PM
Yeah! Trump is gonna make it free!  :thumbup:
Next April! That lights my fire, baby!

(https://i.imgur.com/tO6VrwL.gif) (https://lunapic.com)



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on November 23, 2020, 03:40:21 AM
Reminder that President Trump is still our President. The Trump Administration strikes a deal to make COVID-19 vaccine free at major pharmacies in the U.S.

https://nypost.com/2020/11/12/feds-strike-deal-to-make-covid-19-vaccine-free-at-major-pharmacies/ (https://nypost.com/2020/11/12/feds-strike-deal-to-make-covid-19-vaccine-free-at-major-pharmacies/)

Serious question for you, zelmo. I'm not trying to start an argument--I'm legitimately curious. Will you take the vaccine when it's available?

Considering how nobody knows how long that the vaccine will actually work as intended, and that you will have to quarantine for as long as you would if you caught the actual virus, I think not. I will probably just take my chances with COVID-19 itself. There is way too much guinea pig potential in what the government has planned for the gullible masses.

Quote
The RNA technology being tested in human volunteers is promising, but questions remain about safety, whether it works and how long it might last.

“I don’t think we know,” said Peter Jay Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine. “It’s a brand-new technology, and we’ve not really had large numbers of [vaccinated] people walking around for years.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/elegant-but-unproven-rna-experiments-leap-to-the-front-in-coronavirus-vaccine-race-will-they-work/ar-BB16mxzx (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/elegant-but-unproven-rna-experiments-leap-to-the-front-in-coronavirus-vaccine-race-will-they-work/ar-BB16mxzx)



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Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on November 23, 2020, 09:10:09 AM
Reminder that President Trump is still our President. The Trump Administration strikes a deal to make COVID-19 vaccine free at major pharmacies in the U.S.

https://nypost.com/2020/11/12/feds-strike-deal-to-make-covid-19-vaccine-free-at-major-pharmacies/ (https://nypost.com/2020/11/12/feds-strike-deal-to-make-covid-19-vaccine-free-at-major-pharmacies/)

Serious question for you, zelmo. I'm not trying to start an argument--I'm legitimately curious. Will you take the vaccine when it's available?

Considering how nobody knows how long that the vaccine will actually work as intended, and that you will have to quarantine for as long as you would if you caught the actual virus, I think not. I will probably just take my chances with COVID-19 itself. There is way too much guinea pig potential in what the government has planned for the gullible masses.


I disagree with your analysis but I appreciate your answer.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 23, 2020, 01:36:49 PM
heres the east village in NYC (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnZxOMbWMAETV8E?format=jpg&name=small)

but kids can't go to school ( unless they are private schools in which case they can????)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on November 23, 2020, 06:42:32 PM
^ and that was taken...when? Yesterday?
I doubt it. Short sleeves in November?

Here are some folks in Poland in 1938!

(https://i.imgur.com/5n4VZBc.jpg) (https://lunapic.com)

And even if it was taken yesterday-
What does that prove? Except some folks are idiots?  :lookingup:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on November 23, 2020, 06:56:47 PM
That's the outside dining thing they've been doing in NYC for months.  Masks are not required in out of door eateries; they get in the way of mouths. 


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: El Misfit on November 23, 2020, 07:36:59 PM
(https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/126506971_3231725493595944_5568341089365190854_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=n6LKDQsrJI4AX_RMofo&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&oh=f44eef9f7ec8910e08c8baeeca775311&oe=5FE1E6F6)
Here in town there's a video that showed a bar that had patrons not following guidelines and the person taking the video was harassed for it.
https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/video-of-jefferson-parish-bar-questions-compliance-with-phase-3-restrictions/289-19c9d5bf-e3cc-4338-9710-5a7933c16491 (https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/video-of-jefferson-parish-bar-questions-compliance-with-phase-3-restrictions/289-19c9d5bf-e3cc-4338-9710-5a7933c16491)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on November 23, 2020, 07:51:47 PM
Reminder that President Trump is still our President. The Trump Administration strikes a deal to make COVID-19 vaccine free at major pharmacies in the U.S.

[url]https://nypost.com/2020/11/12/feds-strike-deal-to-make-covid-19-vaccine-free-at-major-pharmacies/[/url] ([url]https://nypost.com/2020/11/12/feds-strike-deal-to-make-covid-19-vaccine-free-at-major-pharmacies/[/url])


Serious question for you, zelmo. I'm not trying to start an argument--I'm legitimately curious. Will you take the vaccine when it's available?


Considering how nobody knows how long that the vaccine will actually work as intended, and that you will have to quarantine for as long as you would if you caught the actual virus, I think not. I will probably just take my chances with COVID-19 itself. There is way too much guinea pig potential in what the government has planned for the gullible masses.

Quote
The RNA technology being tested in human volunteers is promising, but questions remain about safety, whether it works and how long it might last.

“I don’t think we know,” said Peter Jay Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine. “It’s a brand-new technology, and we’ve not really had large numbers of [vaccinated] people walking around for years.”


[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/elegant-but-unproven-rna-experiments-leap-to-the-front-in-coronavirus-vaccine-race-will-they-work/ar-BB16mxzx[/url] ([url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/elegant-but-unproven-rna-experiments-leap-to-the-front-in-coronavirus-vaccine-race-will-they-work/ar-BB16mxzx[/url])



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http://youtu.be/MsN6Qfztoro (http://youtu.be/MsN6Qfztoro)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on November 25, 2020, 12:11:50 PM
I finally personally know someone who's tested positive for Covid: my cousin's teenage daughter. The entire family just finished quarantining.

I did have a friend on Facebook who was positive, and another friend who had relatives who died from it, but this is the first person I've actually met who's turned up positive. It's going to get worse before it gets better, but hopefully the vaccines will have this thing wiped out like polio by 2021.

I'm getting the vaccine the moment it's available and I hope all of you will too.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 25, 2020, 01:56:13 PM
New Yorkers parting during covid

https://www.thecut.com/2020/11/new-yorkers-on-partying-during-covid-19.html# (https://www.thecut.com/2020/11/new-yorkers-on-partying-during-covid-19.html#)


lets be honest, this is supposed to be sympathetic. you're supposed to watch and say yes I miss going out and so forth. If this article had been about people in nebraska it wuld have been about how stupid and evil they are.



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on November 25, 2020, 07:53:56 PM
My favorite (sarcasm) latest headlines are of the format [insert name of official] found going to [insert verboten get-together], only hours after telling [area governed] to not gather."

Geez.

Can we have some effective leadership please?  And less hypocrisy, thank you.

Rev, I'm getting the vaccine the instant it's available.



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on November 25, 2020, 09:22:31 PM
Seventeen people in my church (of 45 members) contracted the virus, one died.
Seven of my students tested positive in the last week, along with numerous  members of their families.
It's bloody awful, and I'm tired of people denying and downplaying it.

WEAR A MASK, AVOID LARGE GATHERINGS!

The vaccine is coming.

Just a little longer.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on November 25, 2020, 10:36:07 PM
Seventeen people in my church (of 45 members) contracted the virus, one died.
Seven of my students tested positive in the last week, along with numerous  members of their families.
It's bloody awful, and I'm tired of people denying and downplaying it.

WEAR A MASK, AVOID LARGE GATHERINGS!

The vaccine is coming.

Just a little longer.

Where are you, Indy?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on November 26, 2020, 12:17:15 AM
Northeast Texas.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 28, 2020, 11:26:41 PM
saw this in Boston tonight

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En8Jq5kXYAMTzGL?format=jpg&name=small)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on November 29, 2020, 04:42:44 PM
The bodies are piling up...

Trump is doing nothing -- nothing -- except golfing and rage-tweeting, and filing frivolous to downright anti-democratic lawsuits.
A significant portion of the Republican party has failed to repudiate this.

Medical workers in the middle part of the US are burning out.  They're working endlessly and are being overwhelmed, and off shift they are seeing a public that generally doesn't listen to science and take the basic precautions that would give the medicals hope to push on.

I'd call it a clown show if there were not so many deaths and so many implications, both domestic and worldwide.





Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on November 29, 2020, 05:16:43 PM
I lost it yesterday with a taxi driver who decided to tell me how all this covid stuff is a hoax and caused by Bill Gates. Told him outright he was talking rubbish. He also went on about how masks stop you getting oxygen. I told him about wearing an S10 respirator (where you get 60% of your normal intake of air) in the middle of a desert while fighting a war and it not causing any of the effects he claimed a mere mask would give you.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pacman000 on November 29, 2020, 05:53:33 PM
heres the east village in NYC ([url]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnZxOMbWMAETV8E?format=jpg&name=small[/url])

but kids can't go to school ( unless they are private schools in which case they can????)


Now they can, apparently:

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=VeMb8Vslxv8#)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Newt on November 30, 2020, 08:23:41 AM
The bodies are piling up...

Trump is doing nothing -- nothing -- except golfing and rage-tweeting, and filing frivolous to downright anti-democratic lawsuits.
A significant portion of the Republican party has failed to repudiate this.

Medical workers in the middle part of the US are burning out.  They're working endlessly and are being overwhelmed, and off shift they are seeing a public that generally doesn't listen to science and take the basic precautions that would give the medicals hope to push on.

I'd call it a clown show if there were not so many deaths and so many implications, both domestic and worldwide.




    :bluesad: :bluesad: :bluesad:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on December 02, 2020, 02:27:37 AM
The first vaccine has been cleared for use in the UK with 10 million doses to be issued before the end of the year.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: sprite75 on December 02, 2020, 08:03:05 PM
More do as I say, not as I do from (https://abcnews.go.com/Health/elected-officials-criticized-covid-19-advice/story?id=74486861) elected officials.

Quote
The day before Thanksgiving, Denver Mayor Michael B. Hancock urged his constituents to remain in their households and refrain from travel during the holiday if they could.

That same day, he boarded a plane to join his wife and daughter in Mississippi.

On Tuesday, the mayor of San Jose, California, issued a public apology for attending a Thanksgiving meal with more households than currently allowed under state regulations.

On Nov. 24, the Los Angeles Board of Supervisors voted 3-2 to prohibit outdoor dining for three weeks, effective the next day. Following the vote, Supervisor Sheila Kuehl, who voted in favor of the ban, dined outdoors at a restaurant, her spokesperson confirmed with ABC News. FOX 11 in Los Angeles first reported on the meal.

That p**ses me off.  One of my big things is that leaders do not ask anything of anyone - whether it's doing something or sacrificing something - that they are not willing to do themselves.   Bad enough when the governor of California decides rules are for other people but when others see him as an example to be emulated.  I had my way these f**king clowns would resign right now because they are not doing a f**king thing to help in this pandemic. 


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on December 03, 2020, 10:32:01 AM
This guy in the middle of a field playing the most useless game on earth.
This p**ses me off.
Tiana risks her life every day- and this cocksucker is jerking off on a golf course.
"I'm still the President! Have some respect!"
 :lookingup:

(https://i.imgur.com/vIN6uGr.png) (https://lunapic.com)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on December 04, 2020, 10:33:07 PM
@RC:  Blarf.

I'm likely to receive dose #1 of the Pfizer vaccine on the day after Christmas.
Logistics are being figured out in my organization.



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: El Misfit on December 04, 2020, 10:44:34 PM
Supposedly Louisiana is going to have different groups for the vaccine: group A is healthcare workers and people in nursing homes; group B will be front line workers; group C is the rest.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on December 05, 2020, 11:01:32 AM
Supposedly Louisiana is going to have different groups for the vaccine: group A is healthcare workers and people in nursing homes; group B will be front line workers; group C is the rest.

Yep, that's pretty much the schedule everywhere, except that older adults (65+) also get priority over the younger and healthier ones.

Looks like I probably won't be eligible for vaccination until spring. But I'll feel much better if my parents get vaccinated in the winter. I'm not concerned for myself, I'm concerned about spreading it to them.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on December 05, 2020, 12:14:02 PM
I don't even care when I get it. Tiana will get it-and that's all I care about.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on December 05, 2020, 12:41:30 PM
@RC:  Blarf.

I'm likely to receive dose #1 of the Pfizer vaccine on the day after Christmas.
Logistics are being figured out in my organization.

Best of luck.  Keep us posted.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on December 05, 2020, 12:46:21 PM
This guy in the middle of a field playing the most useless game on earth.  This p**ses me off. Tiana risks her life every day- and this cocksucker is jerking off on a golf course. "I'm still the President! Have some respect!"
 :lookingup:
(https://i.imgur.com/vIN6uGr.png) (https://lunapic.com)
 

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/271/921/3a8.gif)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on December 05, 2020, 02:05:25 PM
That second picture may be one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on December 05, 2020, 03:19:53 PM
That second picture may be one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen.

 :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on December 05, 2020, 09:19:46 PM
I cannot BELIEVE how many people are saying about the vaccine:
"I'll never get it!  It's the MARK OF THE BEAST!  It's a tool of the NWO!  It's got nanobytes in it to track your every movement!  It's a secret poison to thin the human population!  Gates and Fauci will make $500 million each on it!"

HOW THE HELL DID OUR COUNTRY GET SO STUPID???????


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: El Misfit on December 06, 2020, 12:27:15 AM
2 things: 1)Politicians has been undermining education for years
2) Social media gives idiots a platform to spew garbage.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on December 06, 2020, 05:40:36 PM
Rudy has it.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/06/politics/rudy-giuliani-coronavirus-positive/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/06/politics/rudy-giuliani-coronavirus-positive/index.html)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on December 06, 2020, 09:53:42 PM
i saw that the vampire has it, i swear guys he looks more like a vampire than Gary Oldman did in Bram Stoker's Dracula (1992) and he played Dracula.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Jim H on December 06, 2020, 10:14:28 PM
My longtime girlfriend's parents and sister have now been diagnosed with COVID.  Father is about 80, and based on his age and an underlying condition likely had a 15-20% chance of death, but it sounds like they're already past the worst (they're past a week of symptoms now, and are improving without severe stuff).  Scary stuff though.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: kornula on December 07, 2020, 06:25:28 PM
What truly astounds me about Covid is everyone's over reaction to it.  We do not need mandatory lockdowns or masks.  The risk of getting it (and/or dying from it) is no higher than contracting the common flu.  People are already reporting getting it with less.. or even no symptoms at all.   This should tell any sane, rational person that we humans are naturally developing a resistance to it.

PS, I wont bother responding to any emotional pleas.  I've heard them all.. they mean nothing


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on December 07, 2020, 07:48:45 PM
The risk of getting it (and/or dying from it) is no higher than contracting the common flu. 


I disagree that your risk of dying from COVID is no higher than the flu. You cite no facts.

This week, Covid was the leading cause of death in the US, ahead of heart disease.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-leading-cause-of-death-united-states-this-week/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-leading-cause-of-death-united-states-this-week/)

Here's a virologist's opinion:

Q: "What would you say to someone who insists to you that COVID-19 is 'just the flu'?
A: Since December 2019, COVID-19 has killed more people in the U.S. than influenza has in the last five years.

Influenza is a significant burden on the population, but COVID-19 has had a vastly larger effect."

https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/no-covid-19-is-not-the-flu.html (https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/no-covid-19-is-not-the-flu.html)

I'm sure our resident doctor can supply more information, if he's not too busy.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on December 08, 2020, 01:22:41 AM
it has been proven that it's more deadly than the flu, also here's something that recently came out apparently for those who have had it, the men may have erectile dyfunction i doubt this is gonna be all the guys who have had it but apparently it does happen


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on December 08, 2020, 02:17:52 AM
No one needs to use emotion. I believe some months ago, the number of deaths from Covid-19 passed 7 times the number from the flu this year.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on December 09, 2020, 10:15:04 AM
Trump rejected an offer to get a million vaccines from Phizer in advance, so the UK sold them to someone else.
Good job! He has f**ked up everything he comes in contact with.
Rudy and his equally crazy lawyer Jenna Ellis- who have been saying the election was rigged-which the Supreme Court tossed like a paper coffee cup.(At least she didn't drip black fluid from her head on stage)
both have Covid 19.
The money he has spent on talking s**t could have been spent on buying vaccines.
If you Trumpers love this guy so much you have become detached from reality and call ALL news fake, then I don't feel bad for you. If your that dedicated to an ex-TV show star and con man-then you deserve anything you get.
Christ! Get out into the real world instead of trying to enable your delusional sense of masculinity by running around with guns acting like some kinda f**king hillbilly Rambo- most who have never been in any kind of real combat in a war at all.
And maybe not even in a  real fist fight.
I live in Michigan, where a bunch of stupid morons with more guns than brains have been circleing her house. She was a target of a kidnapping and execution a little while back.
These people are INSANE. I have talked to some- they are all over the f**king place. My opinion- they're f**king morons with guns who are looking for a reason to use them.
I don't like Nazis- if you do-f**k you.
Your not a "American". Your a Nazi.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on December 09, 2020, 10:54:50 AM
What truly astounds me about Covid is everyone's over reaction to it.  We do not need mandatory lockdowns or masks.  The risk of getting it (and/or dying from it) is no higher than contracting the common flu.  People are already reporting getting it with less.. or even no symptoms at all.   This should tell any sane, rational person that we humans are naturally developing a resistance to it.

PS, I wont bother responding to any emotional pleas.  I've heard them all.. they mean nothing
If you had any brains you would be dangerous.
Wait a minute- you refuse to wear a mask or social distance...
you are dangerous.
I hate to say it Kornhole- but grow a brain.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on December 09, 2020, 11:11:25 AM
What truly astounds me about Covid is everyone's over reaction to it.  We do not need mandatory lockdowns or masks.  The risk of getting it (and/or dying from it) is no higher than contracting the common flu.  People are already reporting getting it with less.. or even no symptoms at all.   This should tell any sane, rational person that we humans are naturally developing a resistance to it.

PS, I wont bother responding to any emotional pleas.  I've heard them all.. they mean nothing
If you had any brains you would be dangerous.
Wait a minute- you refuse to wear a mask or social distance...
you are dangerous.
I hate to say it Kornhole- but grow a brain.

Knock off the personal attacks. They don't convince anyone of anything.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on December 09, 2020, 12:09:08 PM
What truly astounds me about Covid is everyone's over reaction to it.  We do not need mandatory lockdowns or masks.  The risk of getting it (and/or dying from it) is no higher than contracting the common flu.  People are already reporting getting it with less.. or even no symptoms at all.   This should tell any sane, rational person that we humans are naturally developing a resistance to it.

PS, I wont bother responding to any emotional pleas.  I've heard them all.. they mean nothing

Over 250,000 Americans dead, but they "over reacted" and went to the hospital.   :lookingup:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on December 09, 2020, 12:31:02 PM
What truly astounds me about Covid is everyone's over reaction to it.  We do not need mandatory lockdowns or masks.  The risk of getting it (and/or dying from it) is no higher than contracting the common flu.  People are already reporting getting it with less.. or even no symptoms at all.   This should tell any sane, rational person that we humans are naturally developing a resistance to it.

PS, I wont bother responding to any emotional pleas.  I've heard them all.. they mean nothing
If you had any brains you would be dangerous.
Wait a minute- you refuse to wear a mask or social distance...
you are dangerous.
I hate to say it Kornhole- but grow a brain.

Knock off the personal attacks. They don't convince anyone of anything.
It wasn't a personal attack. It was an attack on stupidity in general. He just happened to be spouting this nonsense at the moment.
If someone is going to spread bulls**t dangerous nonsense that he knows nothing about, well then I feel obligated to respond in the only language they know. I have to keep it simple.

I reckon I shouldn't have called him 'Kornhole"..

(https://i.imgur.com/fTJkEH6.gif) (https://lunapic.com)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on December 09, 2020, 12:39:58 PM
What truly astounds me about Covid is everyone's over reaction to it.  We do not need mandatory lockdowns or masks.  The risk of getting it (and/or dying from it) is no higher than contracting the common flu.  People are already reporting getting it with less.. or even no symptoms at all.   This should tell any sane, rational person that we humans are naturally developing a resistance to it.

PS, I wont bother responding to any emotional pleas.  I've heard them all.. they mean nothing
If you had any brains you would be dangerous.
Wait a minute- you refuse to wear a mask or social distance...
you are dangerous.
I hate to say it Kornhole- but grow a brain.

Knock off the personal attacks. They don't convince anyone of anything.
It wasn't a personal attack. It was an attack on stupidity in general.

Come on. If I said "grow a brain, RC" wouldn't you think I was making a personal attack on you?

If you just said "People who refuse to wear masks or social distance are dangerously stupid" it would not be a personal attack.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on December 09, 2020, 01:00:04 PM
^ Yeah- your right.
I just get emotional at times.
I know that's not an excuse-but I meant what I said .
But I'm not sorry I said it. Because that would be a lie.
And unlike some leaders in this country- I can't lie. It just feels wrong to me.
And me insulting people is not comparable to morons who don't care about anyone's health.
If they are spreading bulls**t- and I refute them- kick me off the board.
Aw f**k! I did it again! I called him a "moron"! Dam I need therapy, maybe!

But yeah- grow a brain...not a cool thing to say.

I should have said "grow a brain in a lasagna pan"!

(https://i.imgur.com/tb8NeRd.jpg) (https://lunapic.com)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: El Misfit on December 09, 2020, 02:12:09 PM
What truly astounds me about Covid is everyone's over reaction to it.  We do not need mandatory lockdowns or masks.  The risk of getting it (and/or dying from it) is no higher than contracting the common flu.  People are already reporting getting it with less.. or even no symptoms at all.   This should tell any sane, rational person that we humans are naturally developing a resistance to it.

PS, I wont bother responding to any emotional pleas.  I've heard them all.. they mean nothing
Why do I get the feeling that you'll start taking this seriously after someone close to you gets it and goes onto the ventilators?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on December 09, 2020, 07:34:32 PM
What truly astounds me about Covid is everyone's over reaction to it.  We do not need mandatory lockdowns or masks.  The risk of getting it (and/or dying from it) is no higher than contracting the common flu.  People are already reporting getting it with less.. or even no symptoms at all.   This should tell any sane, rational person that we humans are naturally developing a resistance to it.

PS, I wont bother responding to any emotional pleas.  I've heard them all.. they mean nothing

Please explain:  how is covid-19 is less lethal to the world population than is influenza?

Math, please.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on December 09, 2020, 08:18:16 PM
What truly astounds me about Covid is everyone's over reaction to it.  We do not need mandatory lockdowns or masks.  The risk of getting it (and/or dying from it) is no higher than contracting the common flu.  People are already reporting getting it with less.. or even no symptoms at all.   This should tell any sane, rational person that we humans are naturally developing a resistance to it.

PS, I wont bother responding to any emotional pleas.  I've heard them all.. they mean nothing

Please explain:  how is covid-19 is less lethal to the world population than is influenza?

Math, please.
When a person says they don't care if people die- and quote phony numbers- no matter how emotional or how it effects others in a personal way-that person has a cold heart.
I ain't talking about you,Zap. Your crazy, but so am I. I'm talking about Kornholio.
Oh f**k s**t dam! I forgot- I can't say bad things to people! It might hurt their feelings!  :buggedout:





Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on December 09, 2020, 11:32:12 PM
 :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: 

(https://www.mazola.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Corn-Oil.png)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on December 10, 2020, 07:31:36 AM
3,243 Americans died of COVID-19 yesterday.
For perspective - that is the death toll of 9/11, the OKC bombing, and about a half dozen or more school shootings combined.
And folks still won't take commonsense, every day precautions that could limit the spread.
They'd rather argue about abortion, or the election, or peddle conspiracy theories than acknowledge this killer that's stalking us.
America has become the idiocracy of the world.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on December 10, 2020, 11:33:43 AM
3,243 Americans died of COVID-19 yesterday.
For perspective - that is the death toll of 9/11, the OKC bombing, and about a half dozen or more school shootings combined.
And folks still won't take commonsense, every day precautions that could limit the spread.
They'd rather argue about abortion, or the election, or peddle conspiracy theories than acknowledge this killer that's stalking us.
America has become the idiocracy of the world.

Indy, believe me the idiots are worldwide. You were just unfortunate that you had one of the biggest in charge.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on December 10, 2020, 12:01:25 PM
^ Yeah. 
That's kinda a worldwide given, ain't it?

It's just been so depressing and idiotic, it's actually been-

(https://i.imgur.com/XrXc83X.gif) (https://lunapic.com)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Jim H on December 10, 2020, 01:34:02 PM
On a bit more positive note, I talked some to somebody I know who is a PhD in virology/bacteriology stuff, and works in gene sequencing and editing.  He is well versed in vaccines and relevant information, in other words.  He went over the university he works at and their presentation on vaccination rollout plans they have and related research. 

General gist I can remember - new vaccines use the same mechanisms and contents as other ones, there shouldn't be any surprises with it.  Much, much, much safer than getting Covid, including long term complications people theorize about (theoretically possible, but unlikely - and Covid itself can give them).  Oh, they still don't 100% know if it blocks transmission (some viruses, even if you're vaccinated, you can still catch it temporarily and spread it to others while not suffering ill effects), so it probably will not be "you're vaccinated, no need for a mask any longer" - that won't happen until herd immunity is achieved, most likely.. 

Expect restrictions to varying extents throughout 2021 as we get there.  But, we WILL get there.  End is in sight, even if it still feels far off.

Oh, final bit on the vaccine - the one they were talking about is two shots, and the second shot makes some people sick enough they missed work the day AFTER they got it (day of was fine).  A minority, but it happens.  Think like the after effects flu shots give some people, but worse.  Just something to be aware of.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on December 10, 2020, 02:44:46 PM
On a bit more positive note, I talked some to somebody I know who is a PhD in virology/bacteriology stuff, and works in gene sequencing and editing.  He is well versed in vaccines and relevant information, in other words.  He went over the university he works at and their presentation on vaccination rollout plans they have and related research. 
General gist I can remember - new vaccines use the same mechanisms and contents as other ones, there shouldn't be any surprises with it.  Much, much, much safer than getting Covid, including long term complications people theorize about (theoretically possible, but unlikely - and Covid itself can give them).  Oh, they still don't 100% know if it blocks transmission (some viruses, even if you're vaccinated, you can still catch it temporarily and spread it to others while not suffering ill effects), so it probably will not be "you're vaccinated, no need for a mask any longer" - that won't happen until herd immunity is achieved, most likely.. 
Expect restrictions to varying extents throughout 2021 as we get there.  But, we WILL get there.  End is in sight, even if it still feels far off...

Nice to see reasonable, sensible, thoughtful remarks on this subject.   :thumbup:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: claws on December 13, 2020, 06:15:36 AM
Beginning Wednesday only grocery stores will be open and there's a curfew from 9 pm - 5 am. No fireworks on New Year which I'm fine with.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on December 15, 2020, 02:54:51 PM
What truly astounds me about Covid is everyone's over reaction to it.  We do not need mandatory lockdowns or masks.  The risk of getting it (and/or dying from it) is no higher than contracting the common flu.  People are already reporting getting it with less.. or even no symptoms at all.   This should tell any sane, rational person that we humans are naturally developing a resistance to it.

PS, I wont bother responding to any emotional pleas.  I've heard them all.. they mean nothing

Please explain:  how is covid-19 is less lethal to the world population than is influenza?

Math, please.

I'm still waiting for your math, Kornula.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on December 15, 2020, 04:09:22 PM
...I'm still waiting for your math, Kornula.

Bellyaching in order to bellyache is indefensible.  Of course, your question will be regarded as an "emotional plea". 



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on December 15, 2020, 08:41:47 PM
...I'm still waiting for your math, Kornula.

Bellyaching in order to bellyache is indefensible.  Of course, your question will be regarded as an "emotional plea". 



An emotional plea, for math.   *nods*  Got it.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on December 16, 2020, 03:02:32 PM
Back in April, Trump said "...100,000 Americans Die From Coronavirus We've Done A Good Job" 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc4l3Bj54Gc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc4l3Bj54Gc)

By that one's own standard it has not been a "good job". 


Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc4l3Bj54Gc#) 


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pacman000 on December 21, 2020, 03:29:06 PM
https://www.randomterrain.com/rt-the-h-word-and-beyond.html (https://www.randomterrain.com/rt-the-h-word-and-beyond.html)

Quote
This page is mostly about hydroxychloroquine. I am not a doctor and I am not giving out medical advice. You could be allergic to hydroxychloroquine or have some other strange reaction to it, so if you think you might need hydroxychloroquine, ask your doctor about it. Only take medicine that your doctor prescribes. Do not drink fish tank cleaner. Do not lick a hydroelectric power plant because it starts with ‘hydro.’ Use your brain. Always consult a physician. This page contains information and links that may or may not be helpful.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pacman000 on December 21, 2020, 03:52:16 PM
100 thousand people dying is like my home town, the town I work in, and the surrounding two or three towns dying in mass.

But Italy had a death rate of 10%, going by memory, so I was expecting something more like 30 million deaths in the U.S. (I don't know if that meant 10% of cases proved fatal, or if that meant 10% of Italy's population died. Either way it's staggering. According to this https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/) the number is 5%, which is better, but still horrible.)

There is no "good" outcome for a pandemic, but I cannot say what's been done has truly been bad.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pacman000 on December 22, 2020, 03:56:10 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/europe-crosses-500-000-covid-19-deaths-as-new-variant-spreads-reuters-tally/ar-BB1c9d9j?ocid=msedgntp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/europe-crosses-500-000-covid-19-deaths-as-new-variant-spreads-reuters-tally/ar-BB1c9d9j?ocid=msedgntp)

Europe crosses 500,000 COVID-19 deaths as new variant spreads - Reuters tally 

:bluesad: Just...  :bluesad:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on December 22, 2020, 07:06:00 PM
Tiana got her vaccine Monday. She feels fine. :thumbup:
She works at a nursing home where they got to gown up, and wear shields. In this , a town smaller than Lawton- which only has 1,800 residents.
And crazy Nazi's run out of the woodwork. They are in jail now for trying to kidnap and execute Gov.Whitmore!
It's insane NOT to think this is real. How many cases of beer do these people drink?
I will smoke pot and drink whiskey, but I pass out before I start screaming about weird 1950's FATE pulp
fiction garbage!



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on December 27, 2020, 07:50:42 PM
Another person I know came down with it.  :bluesad: She's on lockdown. She's young, I'm sure she'll be OK.  :thumbup:

Meanwhile another girl I know doesn't want to take the vaccine because she's listening to Alex Jones or something and thinks it will kill her.  :bluesad: At least she's not claiming it's a secret microchipping plan anymore.  She's one of those people who, unfortunately, is really too stupid to understand how viruses or vaccines work. I don't think I can right her ship.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on January 02, 2021, 10:00:11 PM
I got dose #1 of the Moderna vaccine today.  Very glad indeed! 
In about 2 weeks I should have >90% protection.



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: bob on January 02, 2021, 10:21:42 PM
in a city not too far from where I live an idiot intentionally destroyed a lot of COVD-vaccines

https://news.yahoo.com/hundreds-covid-vaccine-doses-intentionally-174400527.html


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on January 04, 2021, 10:37:49 PM
Rev i'm sorry to hear you have an idiot for a friend,  i get if you don't want to take the vaccine right away cause you want to see how people's reactions are to it that i get i haven't taken it yet myself. but why does anyone listen to Alex Jones?  that guy is almost as dumb as Trump is. last year he was on Joe Rogan and i don't Mind Rogan but some of his opinions on covid i do disagree with but anyways he had Alex Jones on once and i tried to watch it on you tube and after like 10 seconds i shut off cause i just could not stand to listen to him anymore.

man are people stupid folks, my folks went out to do errands   and they  just could not believe the bars being full the stores as well & it is amazing how stupid people are when if there are that many people out how in the hell can things get any better? even if you do take the vaccine you can still get it they've admitted that much, they didn't go in the bars but you can tell by how many cars there are no doubt how busy they were.   


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on January 06, 2021, 10:20:13 PM
Please, everyone.

For a moment just hear me out if you doubt the vaccines.  Bear in mind that this is not a political issue to me -- it's my daily work to know what we know, and what we don't, about common questions in primary care (like vaccination efficacy and safety).

These vaccines are *safe*, and *have* been extensively tested.  No vaccine is totally safe, but the overall risk to benefit ratio is vastly in favor of the benefit.     People will buy lottery tickets and *not* take vaccines.   Such is the public understanding of risk and benefit.

Please -- *do* take the covid vaccine, as soon as you can, unless it's medically contraindicated.   Do not mess around with this, do not wait and see.   Take the vaccine and get yourself basically out of risk.
Do it soon as you can.  Do not let this be a political issue; the science of it isn't.



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on January 07, 2021, 03:41:36 AM
Please, everyone.

For a moment just hear me out if you doubt the vaccines.  Bear in mind that this is not a political issue to me -- it's my daily work to know what we know, and what we don't, about common questions in primary care (like vaccination efficacy and safety).

These vaccines are *safe*, and *have* been extensively tested.  No vaccine is totally safe, but the overall risk to benefit ratio is vastly in favor of the benefit.     People will buy lottery tickets and *not* take vaccines.   Such is the public understanding of risk and benefit.

Please -- *do* take the covid vaccine, as soon as you can, unless it's medically contraindicated.   Do not mess around with this, do not wait and see.   Take the vaccine and get yourself basically out of risk.
Do it soon as you can.  Do not let this be a political issue; the science of it isn't.



You talk about the vaccine like it's a cure. It is pushers like you that are making so many people distrust the rush job vaccine. I'll take my chances with the virus itself, thank you.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on January 07, 2021, 12:49:29 PM
No, its idiots armed with pseudo-science and a Twitter account who make people distrust vaccines.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on January 13, 2021, 12:42:06 PM
My parents are getting vaccinated today, which will be a load off my mind (especially after they get the second dose). Apparently there were open spaces after some local health care workers declined to be innocculated (!) and they opened up vaccination for the doses to the general public on a first come, first served basis. My parents were able to get in. I decided to wait my turn.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on January 13, 2021, 05:39:39 PM
And I still have people on FB yelling at me because I get mad when I see people out in public without masks.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on January 14, 2021, 12:33:16 AM
Johnson and johnson's vaccine is one shot.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on January 14, 2021, 12:40:03 AM
You talk about the vaccine like it's a cure. It is pushers like you that are making so many people distrust the rush job vaccine. I'll take my chances with the virus itself, thank you.

Hope it don't kill ya!   :thumbup: :smile:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on January 14, 2021, 08:59:11 AM
Turns out that my parents weren't supposed to get the vaccine--it was supposed to be open to health care workers outside of that particular hospital--but they administered it anyway.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pacman000 on January 15, 2021, 12:14:57 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GvxUgKAjsrc

 :bluesad: Residents of NYC’s Chinatown talking of their struggles this past year.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Jim H on January 15, 2021, 05:40:44 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GvxUgKAjsrc

 :bluesad: Residents of NYC’s Chinatown talking of their struggles this past year.

Yeah, especially brutal in Manhattan Chinatown.  They've been struggling for years and slowly decaying because of the absolutely absurd rent prices and other issues.  When one shop closes now, it's often not replaced for literally years because of how insane the new rent will be.  So you just see dead storefronts for years straight, in one of the busiest places in the world.  It's ridiculous and angers every local.  My sister lives in Manhattan and it p**ses her off.

I'd be curious how Queens Chinatown is doing, probably harsh but not as bad as the rent is more reasonable.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pacman000 on January 15, 2021, 06:43:19 PM
I didn’t know there was more than one Chinatown in NYC. Thank you!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: bob on January 19, 2021, 10:23:23 AM
I got my 1099-G form for pandemic unemployment

I think it'll be way out of order, assuming I have my appealing hearing held at some point and win it -- which I will -- before tax season

hoping they'll send me a new one if that happens


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on January 20, 2021, 01:12:03 PM
I got my 1099-G form for pandemic unemployment

I think it'll be way out of order, assuming I have my appealing hearing held at some point and win it -- which I will -- before tax season

hoping they'll send me a new one if that happens

Hope you have less problems with this one that your previous support.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pacman000 on January 22, 2021, 10:39:38 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Eem-Fix-63U

“Published on Jan 19, 2021
Dozens of independent landlords say their tenants have been taking advantage of the COVID eviction moratorium. CBS2's Natalie Duddridge spoke to two elderly New Yorkers who are desperate for help.”


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: lester1/2jr on January 22, 2021, 02:56:01 PM
I've had a bunch of passengers who've gotten the first shot and one who has gotten both. Why our govt is concerned with anything besides this is beyond me


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on January 23, 2021, 07:22:22 AM
Some good news for once-!
Free weed in Michigan if you get a covid shot!

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/23/us/michigan-marijuana-free-weed-vaccine-trnd/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/23/us/michigan-marijuana-free-weed-vaccine-trnd/index.html)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pacman000 on January 30, 2021, 02:33:46 PM
Single dose vaccine:

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIcgnBQnDkQ#)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on January 30, 2021, 05:22:45 PM
I was at a family dinner last week and half the people there had already been vaccinated (first shot). I'm starting to be more optimistic that I might be able to get vaccinated by spring. Light at the end of the tunnel.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Jim H on February 02, 2021, 06:06:32 PM
Some more updates...  A friend of mine's grandmother died of COVID last week.  She was pretty elderly and in failing health, so not unexpected but still sad and a rough way to go.

My acquaintance in vaccine research gave another longish update.  Good and bad news, according to him.  The bad news is the South African COVID variant is in the states and is somewhat resistance to the vaccines AND hits people who have previously survived COVID - it seems to overcome natural immunity fairly well, as it's tearing up a city in Brazil that had virtually 100% infections of the original version.  The good news, the vaccines do still help significantly, just not as much, and updating the vaccines to deal with the new variant is much easier than starting from scratch, and that'll happen in a matter of months I guess.  Doesn't change a thing in how we're dealing with this, just means there will be more deaths and bad infections then without the variant, and possibly the most optimistic timelines of scenarios are out if the South African variant gets around enough.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on February 02, 2021, 06:46:44 PM
My sister and brother in law have gotten their first shots, thru the efforts of their doctor, who'd ID'ed a situation here in the USA of "surplus" vaccine being discarded because of very particular timing constraints and expiration dates.  Availability and timing is paramount.  Properly timed 2nd shots are vital.  Another friend of mine lucked out in a similar yet lucky happenstance and has also rec'd her first shot... at a newly activated vaccine ctr in Shop Rite!!!   


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on February 02, 2021, 07:24:03 PM
Some more updates...  A friend of mine's grandmother died of COVID last week.  She was pretty elderly and in failing health, so not unexpected but still sad and a rough way to go.

My acquaintance in vaccine research gave another longish update.  Good and bad news, according to him.  The bad news is the South African COVID variant is in the states and is somewhat resistance to the vaccines AND hits people who have previously survived COVID - it seems to overcome natural immunity fairly well, as it's tearing up a city in Brazil that had virtually 100% infections of the original version.  The good news, the vaccines do still help significantly, just not as much, and updating the vaccines to deal with the new variant is much easier than starting from scratch, and that'll happen in a matter of months I guess.  Doesn't change a thing in how we're dealing with this, just means there will be more deaths and bad infections then without the variant, and possibly the most optimistic timelines of scenarios are out if the South African variant gets around enough.

Sad to hear about your friend's grandma.

About the vaccine and it's effectiveness against the South African variant: I heard a doctor say that while the vaccine was not as effective at stopping transmission of the mutant, it still boosts the immune system enough that the infection does not require hospitalization. In fact I believe not a single person who has received the vaccine then been affected by the variant anyway has required hospitalization.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on February 03, 2021, 12:09:03 AM
Had  Moderna dose #2 on Saturday and felt cruddy that night (aches, chills) -- not debilitating just unpleasant.   50% less so on Sunday, and normal on Monday.
Arm is less sore than last time.   So, for strong assurance of avoiding the ICU, that's a great trade.

I'm doing vaccine clinic this weekend which will be fun and a good change of pace.

If any questions about the vaccines, fire away, I've had plenty to read on them recently.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on February 03, 2021, 08:47:03 AM

If any questions about the vaccines, fire away, I've had plenty to read on them recently.

Am I correct in saying that although the current vaccines may not be as effective in stopping transmission of the new mutations of the virus, they nevertheless still reduce the severity of symptoms of the new variants?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on February 04, 2021, 11:46:50 PM
well i dunno the answer to your question but i had my 1st Vaccine today and my arm still hurts.  i go in a month for my 2nd one i feel fine otherwise


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on February 04, 2021, 11:50:00 PM
...If any questions about the vaccines, fire away, I've had plenty to read on them recently.

Do doses of vaccine expire relatively quickly? 


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Trevor on February 05, 2021, 03:52:31 PM
I now know three people personally who died of this *&^%$# Chinese virus.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on February 05, 2021, 11:19:15 PM

If any questions about the vaccines, fire away, I've had plenty to read on them recently.

Am I correct in saying that although the current vaccines may not be as effective in stopping transmission of the new mutations of the virus, they nevertheless still reduce the severity of symptoms of the new variants?

Seems to be the case so far.  But, that is being feverishly studied.    The best thing to do is to vaccinate everyone we can fast as we can and minimize these mutations happening.

But against the variants there definitely still is effect on disease severity too.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on February 05, 2021, 11:21:11 PM
...If any questions about the vaccines, fire away, I've had plenty to read on them recently.

Do doses of vaccine expire relatively quickly? 

Once you thaw the vaccines you have to keep them refrigerated and use them within 5 or 30 days (depending on which of the big two it is).
The way we've been doing our clinics is setting appointments and thawing enough vaccine to do that given day only.



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on February 05, 2021, 11:21:46 PM
well i dunno the answer to your question but i had my 1st Vaccine today and my arm still hurts.  i go in a month for my 2nd one i feel fine otherwise

If it's the moderna, take some tylenol or ibuprofen before you take dose #2. 


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: sprite75 on February 06, 2021, 10:43:05 AM
Ugh (https://www.kcrg.com/2021/02/05/gov-reynolds-lifting-all-covid-19-restrictions-on-iowa-businesses/)

Quote
Iowa Governor Kim Reynolds signed a new public health proclamation on Friday rolling back all COVID restrictions on Iowa businesses.

Effective at 12:01 A.M. on Sunday, the proclamation removes mask requirements, gathering limits, and restrictions on businesses.

“The proclamation strongly encourages Iowans, businesses and organizations to take reasonable public health measures consistent with guidance from the Iowa Department of Public Health,” said Pat Garrett, a spokesperson for the Governor’s Office.

#CovidKim is one of the worst governors in the country and Iowa has been at the bottom in terms of COVID response, vaccination, and having a high infection rate.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Bushma on February 07, 2021, 06:59:07 PM
Let me preface this by saying I'm in the US.  I've spent too much time at home watching TV lately, which hasn't been all bad, Bubu Ho-Tep was on a couple of weeks ago!  One of the things I've noticed lately is all of the commercials for lawyers doing class-action lawsuits against companies who went through the entire FDA testing process for drugs and the long term effects are so bad the companies are being sued.  Now they want me to take a vaccine for a virus which they rushed?  TBH, I don't want to take the vaccine because if normal stuff released to market has all these side effects, why would I want to take something that they rushed?

Now, I'm not an anti-vaxxer or anything.  Vaccines have done wonderful thing to help humans.  I'm just worried about what they are pushing and the lack of testing to get something out to the public.



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on February 07, 2021, 09:09:05 PM

Now, I'm not an anti-vaxxer or anything.  Vaccines have done wonderful thing to help humans.  I'm just worried about what they are pushing and the lack of testing to get something out to the public.



I don't blame you. You should not feel shamed or pressured by anyone for not taking the rushed vaccine, simply for that reason that nobody really knows what its long-term effects are. Anybody that tries to ridicule you is an even bigger idiot than the anti-vaxxing camp that they continuously try to ridicule. What's worse is when the news media is trying to sell the COVID-19 vaccines like snake oil. I don't find this particular article reassuring, for example:

Quote
“They overlapped preclinical studies with the early phases of the trials,” said Dr. William Moss, executive director for the International Vaccine Access Center at Johns Hopkins University. “In fact one of the reasons we are even talking about vaccines now just 10 months later is that some of the phases in which vaccine development normally occurs were overlapped rather than done sequentially.”

...

University of Pennsylvania professor of medicine Dr. Drew Weissman, who has been studying mRNA and mRNA vaccines for decades, said they do not cause dangerous inflammation to animals. Along with the vaccines for Pfizer and Moderna both passing animal trials, they also passed clinical trials on humans where they were tested on more than 70,000 people.

“Clinical trials for 75,000 people show it’s safe and it’s 95 percent effective,” Dr. Weissman said. “That’s pretty good data to convince people that it is OK.”

A serious safety issue would have surfaced in the trials if there was one, said Dr. Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston and co-director of the Texas Children’s Hospital Center for Vaccine Development.

While mRNA is a new technology, experts have been working on it for years.

“It’s not just as though these technologies were just starting to be developed during the pandemic,” Dr. Moss said. “There has been a lot of preparatory work.”

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9792931264 (https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9792931264)

It is hard to "trust the science" when it is being rushed out so quickly. They are expecting 75,000 human lab rats to be the prototypical template for billions of people around the world; that is akin to one drop of fresh water in the Dead Sea, hoping that it gets rid of all of the salt in the seawater. And the way that they are selling the snake oil: "Oh no, we didn't skip the lab animal trials, we did them at the same time!"  :lookingup:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Newt on February 08, 2021, 10:43:03 AM
The mRNA vaccines have been under development since the 1990s.  What was "rushed"?   :lookingup:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on February 08, 2021, 06:33:01 PM
The conservative in me wants to say that there's normally way too much regulation, government bureaucracy and red tape at the FDA, and that this fast vaccine rollout is a triumph of the free market.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on February 08, 2021, 06:34:36 PM
The mRNA vaccines have been under development since the 1990s.  What was "rushed"?   :lookingup:

Using people as human lab rats without first seeing what the effects are on lab animals sounds pretty rushed to me.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on February 08, 2021, 09:51:09 PM

It is hard to "trust the science" when it is being rushed out so quickly. They are expecting 75,000 human lab rats to be the prototypical template for billions of people around the world; that is akin to one drop of fresh water in the Dead Sea, hoping that it gets rid of all of the salt in the seawater. And the way that they are selling the snake oil: "Oh no, we didn't skip the lab animal trials, we did them at the same time!"  :lookingup:

This is a for-layperson counterexample that is correct,

https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2020/11/20/allison-weis-covid/ (https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2020/11/20/allison-weis-covid/)

If you take very specific exception to any points raised, glad to discuss.



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on February 08, 2021, 11:43:36 PM

It is hard to "trust the science" when it is being rushed out so quickly. They are expecting 75,000 human lab rats to be the prototypical template for billions of people around the world; that is akin to one drop of fresh water in the Dead Sea, hoping that it gets rid of all of the salt in the seawater. And the way that they are selling the snake oil: "Oh no, we didn't skip the lab animal trials, we did them at the same time!"  :lookingup:

This is a for-layperson counterexample that is correct,

https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2020/11/20/allison-weis-covid/ (https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2020/11/20/allison-weis-covid/)

If you take very specific exception to any points raised, glad to discuss.



There's no need for a discussion. The article itself answered all that I need to know:

Quote
As for the questions regarding long term safety – in 10 years will there be major health complications due to the vaccine alone? This will remain an open question until we actually get there,


You're still trying to sell us snake oil, man.  :cheers:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on February 08, 2021, 11:49:58 PM

It is hard to "trust the science" when it is being rushed out so quickly. They are expecting 75,000 human lab rats to be the prototypical template for billions of people around the world; that is akin to one drop of fresh water in the Dead Sea, hoping that it gets rid of all of the salt in the seawater. And the way that they are selling the snake oil: "Oh no, we didn't skip the lab animal trials, we did them at the same time!"  :lookingup:

This is a for-layperson counterexample that is correct,

https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2020/11/20/allison-weis-covid/ (https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2020/11/20/allison-weis-covid/)

If you take very specific exception to any points raised, glad to discuss.



There's no need for a discussion. The article itself answered all that I need to know:

Quote
As for the questions regarding long term safety – in 10 years will there be major health complications due to the vaccine alone? This will remain an open question until we actually get there,


You're still trying to sell us snake oil, man.  :cheers:

Zelmo,

Do not even pretend that you're interested in considering the alternatives to what you already believe.

Are you a bench scientist, or at least some type of medical professional?

What do you bring to the table, except your access to the internet?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on February 08, 2021, 11:59:57 PM

It is hard to "trust the science" when it is being rushed out so quickly. They are expecting 75,000 human lab rats to be the prototypical template for billions of people around the world; that is akin to one drop of fresh water in the Dead Sea, hoping that it gets rid of all of the salt in the seawater. And the way that they are selling the snake oil: "Oh no, we didn't skip the lab animal trials, we did them at the same time!"  :lookingup:

This is a for-layperson counterexample that is correct,

https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2020/11/20/allison-weis-covid/ (https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2020/11/20/allison-weis-covid/)

If you take very specific exception to any points raised, glad to discuss.



There's no need for a discussion. The article itself answered all that I need to know:

Quote
As for the questions regarding long term safety – in 10 years will there be major health complications due to the vaccine alone? This will remain an open question until we actually get there,


You're still trying to sell us snake oil, man.  :cheers:

Zelmo,

Do not even pretend that you're interested in considering the alternatives to what you already believe.

Are you a bench scientist, or at least some type of medical professional?

What do you bring to the table, except your access to the internet?

Don't attempt to hide your bias, Mr. Medical Professional. I have a particular skepticism toward any "experts" that urge me to inject a foreign substance into my body using such desperate measures. You would fail as a used car salesman, Zapranoth. In the end, your article is still bragging about a "90-95% effective ranking" in its rushed vaccine for a disease with a 94-99% survivability rate. You don't need a college degree to spot b.s.; just a little street smarts and common sense, is all.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on February 09, 2021, 01:31:36 AM
I guess I just don't see it as "trusting" science.

Science represents our best method to try to have mastery over things like pandemics.   There are good and bad examples of scientific work, and there are always frauds and snake oil salesmen, wherever there are human beings.  But nothing I can say will really bridge the gap between how you see things and how I see them, in this.  

I see that an army of experts have perceived the threat and made recommendations -- many people who are really trying to better the world for all of us.      There is a sound epidemiological argument to be made about death rates, and transmission rates, and vaccination efficacy, and lives saved that you are blowing by in your dismissiveness, as though you had expertise in these things (and since you have not said that you do, I am assuming now that you don't).    There are guys like the mask-hoarder in NY and the people busted for selling covid "cures."    But bench scientists and epidemiologists, perhaps Dr. Fauci -- frauds?      Come on now.   In the face of the kind of "unbelief" you're espousing, what can I really say?

On a personal level, I've worked  hard in the last year to try to keep people where I am from dying of all of this.  Worked pretty hard, above and beyond the "hard" there already is in a job that most people frankly couldn't do if they even wanted to do it (which they don't).   I say work hard, when to me "working hard" was when an 80-hour week was one of the easier weeks when I trained, and a bad one was 105-110 hours.  When getting up at 4 AM (after turning in at 3:30)  to do another ICU admit was just the work to be done -- to take a history, do a physical exam, talk to a worried family and make medical decisions that perhaps will decide if someone lives or dies, when I haven't slept and it's *4 AM.*   *I* was the one making those decisions, under those conditions, when I did hospital and ICU work (which I do not do anymore).  *I* am the one on whose name those decisions and responsibility lay, when doing that work.  

I have done this work at personal risk of my own life.  I'm 49 and in good health, but I am exposed to sick people more than most *anyone* else is -- I see undifferentiated patients who may or may not have covid, and if they have it they may not know or have symptoms.   I sit close to them for 15-40 minutes at a time in a closed room, talk to them, get in their space to examine them as needed, sometimes unmask them to do it if that's needed.  I have done this through varying degrees of having PPE to do the work well, and through all degrees of us knowing what we're dealing with, and not knowing that (earlier on).  

Very little time off in the last year.   i have taken very little chance in my personal life to be exposed, and thus to risk exposing the people that I see and will see, because that would be irresponsible of me.   No travel to my family in Alaska.    Just work, really, except a few days here and there.

Even if the risk is relatively small (for me to get sick *and* die doing my job) it's still risk that is there, and I well know that many other people take the same risks to check groceries, sell phones, work in nursing homes, and other kinds of work besides what I do.    But I work with sick people, more than other professions do.

I do have faith in my body's ability to fight and win.  But other medical professionals just like me have thought the same thing and have died and left widows and kids.  Upwards of 1500 or so in the US so far?   More?        (I have a wife, and kids, by the way.)

I'll leave off on insulting you, and I ask that you do the same with me.  I'm not sure why you seem basically angry with the medical establishment, but there's probably a story there.   But you don't know me, and I don't know you, at the end of the day.

I firmly believe that the more people that are vaccinated with these new vaccines that are approved for use, the fewer people we will see die, the less economic damage we will have.    Fewer people losing their businesses and livelihoods.   And my kids will get to hug my mom, and my brother will let me come visit him in his home, and I'll be able to see peoples faces again.



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on February 09, 2021, 05:45:29 AM
It seems some people just like running around fearing the sky is going to fall on them. Personally, when I get offered one I'll be quite happy to have one.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on February 09, 2021, 09:10:36 AM
I think part of the problem is the vaccine skeptics you only consider how the disease and the vaccine will affect them. Of course any individual is unlikely to die from Covid (though still far, far more likely to die from Covid than from a vaccine). But a disease that has a 99% survivability rate will still kill millions of people worldwide, and maybe half a million people in the U.S. alone. And people who get it and don't die, or even feel symptoms, can still spread it to someone who will die from it.

Widespread vaccination can bring us herd immunity, make Covid into a historical disease like polio, and help the economy get back to normal much faster. If enough people get vaccinated, you can stop wearing a mask at the grocery store. It's a community thing: let's all pull together and beat this virus. It's really just common sense.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on February 09, 2021, 09:54:44 AM
Alas Rev, welcome to how short-sighted and selfish some people really are.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on February 10, 2021, 03:21:46 AM
I think part of the problem is the vaccine skeptics you only consider how the disease and the vaccine will affect them.

Well, who else looks out for #1? Where were you the last time that I got sick?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on February 10, 2021, 03:25:45 AM
I think part of the problem is the vaccine skeptics you only consider how the disease and the vaccine will affect them.

Well, who else looks out for #1? Where were you the last time that I got sick?

Thanks for proving my point. Oh, did you make an appointment to go see him the last time you got sick?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on February 10, 2021, 09:55:25 AM
I think part of the problem is the vaccine skeptics you only consider how the disease and the vaccine will affect them.

Well, who else looks out for #1? Where were you the last time that I got sick?

Your agent, i.e., your doctor. If your doctor says in your case you shouldn't get vaccinated, then by all means follow his advice.

While it's true we all have the most to gain or lose from our own health choices, it's also true that none of us has the necessary expertise to make the right choices, without input from people who know what they're doing.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on February 10, 2021, 10:25:20 AM
Zelmo- just get the f**king shot. If you ain't scared of the virus, why worry about the shot?
I assume your a strapping young lad! Full of vim and vigor!
I dare you to get the shot! I double dare you!  :twirl:
Quit being a whiner.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on February 11, 2021, 09:56:41 AM
Latest trend is promising.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/11/covid-live-updates.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/11/covid-live-updates.html)

(https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/106839146-1613049976436-20210211_us_cases_deaths_current_hospitalizations.png?v=1613049992&w=740&h=400)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on February 11, 2021, 10:23:05 AM
We will all (well, not all) survive this. Just like WW1 and WW2, the 1960's ( I was actually alive then!)
This year is like 1969 only worse.
Except I wasn't in an orphanage. And my Ma and Dad weren't getting divorced.
But a lot the same. Race riots. Nixon.
Nope- this year was more insane. Even without Vietnam. Maybe. I don't know.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on February 11, 2021, 09:47:37 PM
Latest trend is promising.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/11/covid-live-updates.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/11/covid-live-updates.html)

(https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/106839146-1613049976436-20210211_us_cases_deaths_current_hospitalizations.png?v=1613049992&w=740&h=400)

No need to take the vaccine then, since cases are trending downward now. I’ll just wait for herd immunity like we did with the flu.  :cheers:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on February 11, 2021, 10:12:16 PM
Latest trend is promising.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/11/covid-live-updates.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/11/covid-live-updates.html)

(https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/106839146-1613049976436-20210211_us_cases_deaths_current_hospitalizations.png?v=1613049992&w=740&h=400)

No need to take the vaccine then, since cases are trending downward now. I’ll just wait for herd immunity like we did with the flu.  :cheers:

The vaccine is one of the REASONS cases are trending down.   You're just trolling for the sake of trolling now.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on February 12, 2021, 05:00:22 AM
Latest trend is promising.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/11/covid-live-updates.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/11/covid-live-updates.html)

(https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/106839146-1613049976436-20210211_us_cases_deaths_current_hospitalizations.png?v=1613049992&w=740&h=400)

No need to take the vaccine then, since cases are trending downward now. I’ll just wait for herd immunity like we did with the flu.  :cheers:

The vaccine is one of the REASONS cases are trending down.   You're just trolling for the sake of trolling now.

Is it really? Have you heard about the UK Variant that is supposed to “sweep the world” yet?

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-vaccine-updates-02-11-21/h_8e35646b2e50a67fa42dc5bff4188bf9?utm_medium=social&utm_source=fbCNN&utm_content=2021-02-11T11%3A58%3A56&utm_term=link&fbclid=IwAR2G-xE9icMDfysAIMtlhd01_OYxaw0sQop-H4T1dV_nAWj1kXVk6xQMoEs (https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-vaccine-updates-02-11-21/h_8e35646b2e50a67fa42dc5bff4188bf9?utm_medium=social&utm_source=fbCNN&utm_content=2021-02-11T11%3A58%3A56&utm_term=link&fbclid=IwAR2G-xE9icMDfysAIMtlhd01_OYxaw0sQop-H4T1dV_nAWj1kXVk6xQMoEs)

I’m hearing that our new vaccines are all but useless against these foreign variants. Is it possible to troll a troll?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on February 12, 2021, 05:38:58 AM
You are using CNN as a news source?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on February 12, 2021, 06:01:56 AM
You are using CNN as a news source?

You aren't comprehending what you're reading again?

Quote
Is it possible to troll a troll?

 :cheers:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on February 12, 2021, 06:03:50 AM
Latest trend is promising.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/11/covid-live-updates.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/11/covid-live-updates.html)

(https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/106839146-1613049976436-20210211_us_cases_deaths_current_hospitalizations.png?v=1613049992&w=740&h=400)

According to those graphs, the decline began during the Trump Administration. When are you people going to start giving our former President the credit that he deserves? The vaccine that you are taking was developed on his watch.  :teddyr:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: claws on February 12, 2021, 06:08:29 AM
(https://img.wattpad.com/cover/83346981-288-k730088.jpg)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on February 12, 2021, 06:12:29 AM
Pfizer already did that.

Quote
Pfizer has clarified that it was never part of Operation Warp Speed, despite attempts by Trump and Pence to take credit for its promising vaccine

When Pfizer announced yesterday that early results from large-scale clinical trials showed its coronavirus vaccine could be more than 90 percent effective, the entire world felt a little more optimistic. The novel coronavirus has sickened more than 50 million people globally, and killed over a million — nearly 240,000 in the U.S. alone. Now, this should come as a surprise to no one, but Donald Trump and Mike Pence pretty immediately jumped on that good news, and tried to claim credit for the vaccine by implying it was part of Operation Warp Speed, the government initiative that’s funneled federal funding to pharmaceutical companies to help them speed their vaccine development timelines.

Now, though, Pfizer execs are clarifying: Their company has never taken federal money (or any other outside funding) to help with its vaccine development, as part of Operation Warp Speed or any other program.

Following the initial news announcement from Pfizer, Vice President Pence tweeted that it was “HUGE NEWS” and “thanks to the public-private partnership forged by [Trump].”

But let's not forget that since you don't think the virus is a problem and that the vaccine is needed anyway, then even if he did have anything to do with its development, then trump wouldn't have really achieved anything. And I do comprehend what I am reading, I am just reminding you that anyone who quotes CNN has zero credibility.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on February 12, 2021, 07:01:06 AM
Zelmo is what the far right calls anyone that disagrees with there babbling BS a snowflake.
Not really sure what that name is derived from, but I think it means entitled whiner.

Personally- I like snowflakes. They're beautiful and you can make cookies shaped like them!

(https://i.imgur.com/zDaw3sC.jpg) (https://lunapic.com)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on February 12, 2021, 09:09:38 AM
Latest trend is promising.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/11/covid-live-updates.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/11/covid-live-updates.html)

(https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/106839146-1613049976436-20210211_us_cases_deaths_current_hospitalizations.png?v=1613049992&w=740&h=400)

According to those graphs, the decline began during the Trump Administration. When are you people going to start giving our former President the credit that he deserves? The vaccine that you are taking was developed on his watch.  :teddyr:

I'll give him credit. Prioritizing the vaccine was the one thing he did right. Bizarrely, Trump's strongest supporters also seem to be the vaccine's biggest skeptics.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on February 12, 2021, 09:29:15 AM
^ It happened despite him. He wouldn't wear a mask.
Herman Cain died from Covid after a rally in Texas. Trump said nothing.
The guy did very little and had no plan.
If you roll the dice and take your chances with your own life- ok. I've gambled my personal health by drugs and booze.
But I don't gamble on others lives. It's just selfish and wrong.
I wear a mask. I'll get the shot. Tiana already got both her shots. She works at an assisted living place in Mattawn, Michigan. Short staffed because half the staff are laid of because they refused the shot and got covid. 5 old folks died. They have to wear suits and face masks She does this every day.
Zelmo- I don't know WTF your doing up there in Alaska- but you need at some time to connect with the rest of the world.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on February 12, 2021, 11:08:46 AM
Pfizer already did that.

Quote
Pfizer has clarified that it was never part of Operation Warp Speed, despite attempts by Trump and Pence to take credit for its promising vaccine

When Pfizer announced yesterday that early results from large-scale clinical trials showed its coronavirus vaccine could be more than 90 percent effective, the entire world felt a little more optimistic. The novel coronavirus has sickened more than 50 million people globally, and killed over a million — nearly 240,000 in the U.S. alone. Now, this should come as a surprise to no one, but Donald Trump and Mike Pence pretty immediately jumped on that good news, and tried to claim credit for the vaccine by implying it was part of Operation Warp Speed, the government initiative that’s funneled federal funding to pharmaceutical companies to help them speed their vaccine development timelines.

Now, though, Pfizer execs are clarifying: Their company has never taken federal money (or any other outside funding) to help with its vaccine development, as part of Operation Warp Speed or any other program.

Following the initial news announcement from Pfizer, Vice President Pence tweeted that it was “HUGE NEWS” and “thanks to the public-private partnership forged by [Trump].”

But let's not forget that since you don't think the virus is a problem and that the vaccine is needed anyway, then even if he did have anything to do with its development, then trump wouldn't have really achieved anything. And I do comprehend what I am reading, I am just reminding you that anyone who quotes CNN has zero credibility.

Anyone who uses CNN as their sole source of info has zero credibility. You should try broadening your news horizons a bit. You’re acting like Pfizer has the only vaccine out there.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on February 12, 2021, 11:15:22 AM
^ It happened despite him.

...

The guy did very little and had no plan.


For a guy that had no plan, Trump sure got your vaccines rolled out for you in a hurry, didn’t he? Sleepy Joe would have met his “100 million vaccinations in 100 days” campaign promise 2 weeks ago if he had simply left Trump’s COVID Vaccine Plan alone instead of trying to fix something that wasn’t broken.  :cheers:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on February 12, 2021, 12:01:38 PM
Pfizer already did that.

Quote
Pfizer has clarified that it was never part of Operation Warp Speed, despite attempts by Trump and Pence to take credit for its promising vaccine

When Pfizer announced yesterday that early results from large-scale clinical trials showed its coronavirus vaccine could be more than 90 percent effective, the entire world felt a little more optimistic. The novel coronavirus has sickened more than 50 million people globally, and killed over a million — nearly 240,000 in the U.S. alone. Now, this should come as a surprise to no one, but Donald Trump and Mike Pence pretty immediately jumped on that good news, and tried to claim credit for the vaccine by implying it was part of Operation Warp Speed, the government initiative that’s funneled federal funding to pharmaceutical companies to help them speed their vaccine development timelines.

Now, though, Pfizer execs are clarifying: Their company has never taken federal money (or any other outside funding) to help with its vaccine development, as part of Operation Warp Speed or any other program.

Following the initial news announcement from Pfizer, Vice President Pence tweeted that it was “HUGE NEWS” and “thanks to the public-private partnership forged by [Trump].”

But let's not forget that since you don't think the virus is a problem and that the vaccine is needed anyway, then even if he did have anything to do with its development, then trump wouldn't have really achieved anything. And I do comprehend what I am reading, I am just reminding you that anyone who quotes CNN has zero credibility.

Anyone who uses CNN as their sole source of info has zero credibility. You should try broadening your news horizons a bit. You’re acting like Pfizer has the only vaccine out there.

So you are changing what you said before to suit what you are doing now.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on February 12, 2021, 12:08:32 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/w3SReTs.gif) (https://lunapic.com)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on February 12, 2021, 12:50:54 PM
Oh and still wondering what it is you think we should give trump credit for. I mean if as you say, getting the vaccination is pointless, then the only thing he could have done is waste taxpayers money on getting it out there. Is that really what you want him to be known for? I mean being taken in by "snake-oil peddlers" is hardly an epitaph for the ages.

Another thing to remember is when you refer to your new president as Sleepy Joe, just remember that is the guy trump failed to beat. If he really is that sleepy, then it doesn't paint your candidate in a great light when he failed to defeat him. There is a reason the Roman's used to praise their conquered enemies.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on February 12, 2021, 01:21:48 PM
We have to punish China for releasing this virus which is no worse than the flu that Trump cured with his vaccine that I refuse to take! (I borrowed this from someone else's FB post, but it's perfect).


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on February 12, 2021, 05:58:40 PM
Oh and still wondering what it is you think we should give trump credit for. I mean if as you say, getting the vaccination is pointless, then the only thing he could have done is waste taxpayers money on getting it out there. Is that really what you want him to be known for? I mean being taken in by "snake-oil peddlers" is hardly an epitaph for the ages.

Another thing to remember is when you refer to your new president as Sleepy Joe, just remember that is the guy trump failed to beat. If he really is that sleepy, then it doesn't paint your candidate in a great light when he failed to defeat him. There is a reason the Roman's used to praise their conquered enemies.

It sounds like you are confusing yourself by refusing to give Trump credit for the COVID vaccines that you claim to work so well and that arrived during his administration just as he promised they would. Everything else that you are expounding upon is simply words that you are trying to place in my mouth. Just because I don’t trust the vaccine in its current experimental state does not mean that the vaccine is a waste of taxpayer money; studies for Phase III Randomized, Double-blind, Placebo-controlled Multicenter Study in Adults to Determine the Safety, Efficacy, and Immunogenicity of AZD1222, a Non-replicating ChAdOx1 Vector Vaccine, for the Prevention of COVID-19 will not be completed until February 2023. You can look that up if you want; guaranteed that CNN won’t tell you about that. So please forgive me for not jumping at the chance to inject myself with an experimental study like the rest of you lab rats are so eager to do.

As for Sleepy Joe, what can I say? The scam worked! Time Magazine went into full detail of how the Democrat Party stole the election from Trump. No secrets here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/%3famp=true (https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/%3famp=true)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on February 12, 2021, 06:28:31 PM
Oh and still wondering what it is you think we should give trump credit for. I mean if as you say, getting the vaccination is pointless, then the only thing he could have done is waste taxpayers money on getting it out there. Is that really what you want him to be known for? I mean being taken in by "snake-oil peddlers" is hardly an epitaph for the ages.

Another thing to remember is when you refer to your new president as Sleepy Joe, just remember that is the guy trump failed to beat. If he really is that sleepy, then it doesn't paint your candidate in a great light when he failed to defeat him. There is a reason the Roman's used to praise their conquered enemies.

It sounds like you are confusing yourself by refusing to give Trump credit for the COVID vaccines that you claim to work so well and that arrived during his administration just as he promised they would. Everything else that you are expounding upon is simply words that you are trying to place in my mouth. Just because I don’t trust the vaccine in its current experimental state does not mean that the vaccine is a waste of taxpayer money; studies for Phase III Randomized, Double-blind, Placebo-controlled Multicenter Study in Adults to Determine the Safety, Efficacy, and Immunogenicity of AZD1222, a Non-replicating ChAdOx1 Vector Vaccine, for the Prevention of COVID-19 will not be completed until February 2023. You can look that up if you want; guaranteed that CNN won’t tell you about that. So please forgive me for not jumping at the chance to inject myself with an experimental study like the rest of you lab rats are so eager to do.

As for Sleepy Joe, what can I say? The scam worked! Time Magazine went into full detail of how the Democrat Party stole the election from Trump. No secrets here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/%3famp=true (https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/%3famp=true)

Hmm, so if he gets credit just because he was in office when the vaccine arrived then I guess he also gets the blame for the virus arriving while he is in office. If that sounds stupid, well it is. Him being in office did not contribute to the development of the virus as  Pfizer made quite clear. And I am not putting words in your mouth, simply all I am doing is pointing out what you have written.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on February 12, 2021, 06:33:18 PM


As for Sleepy Joe, what can I say? The scam worked! Time Magazine went into full detail of how the Democrat Party stole the election from Trump. No secrets here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/%3famp=true (https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/%3famp=true)

You keep citing that article. I do not think it means what you think it means. The writer describes it as "the forces of labor came together with the forces of capital to keep the peace and oppose Trump’s assault on democracy." "They were not rigging the election; they were fortifying it." Etc. But it's off topic, anyway.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on February 12, 2021, 07:19:21 PM


As for Sleepy Joe, what can I say? The scam worked! Time Magazine went into full detail of how the Democrat Party stole the election from Trump. No secrets here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/%3famp=true (https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/%3famp=true)

You keep citing that article. I do not think it means what you think it means. The writer describes it as "the forces of labor came together with the forces of capital to keep the peace and oppose Trump’s assault on democracy." "They were not rigging the election; they were fortifying it." Etc. But it's off topic, anyway.

So sexing up the scam makes it sound legit to you? If so, I have a used car that I’d like to sell you...  :cheers:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: El Misfit on February 12, 2021, 08:00:18 PM


As for Sleepy Joe, what can I say? The scam worked! Time Magazine went into full detail of how the Democrat Party stole the election from Trump. No secrets here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/%3famp=true (https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/%3famp=true)

You keep citing that article. I do not think it means what you think it means. The writer describes it as "the forces of labor came together with the forces of capital to keep the peace and oppose Trump’s assault on democracy." "They were not rigging the election; they were fortifying it." Etc. But it's off topic, anyway.

So sexing up the scam makes it sound legit to you? If so, I have a used car that I’d like to sell you...  :cheers:
What the hell are you talking about?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on February 12, 2021, 08:00:58 PM
^  Zelmo. Just get the shot, ya big wuss!  :lookingup:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on February 12, 2021, 08:03:31 PM
[sorry, my reply to Zelmo was a bit "unprofessional."]


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on February 12, 2021, 08:14:22 PM


As for Sleepy Joe, what can I say? The scam worked! Time Magazine went into full detail of how the Democrat Party stole the election from Trump. No secrets here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/%3famp=true (https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/%3famp=true)

You keep citing that article. I do not think it means what you think it means. The writer describes it as "the forces of labor came together with the forces of capital to keep the peace and oppose Trump’s assault on democracy." "They were not rigging the election; they were fortifying it." Etc. But it's off topic, anyway.

So sexing up the scam makes it sound legit to you? If so, I have a used car that I’d like to sell you...  :cheers:
What the hell are you talking about?

My advice is, don't bother asking. That will only encourage him and it's off topic anyway. You can read the argument on the "Bye Bye Trump" thread.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on February 12, 2021, 08:38:06 PM
^In which I asked the same question- "WTF are you talking about?"  :bouncegiggle:
Oh my oh my, pudding and pie!
Kiss the girls and make them cry!
WTF am I talking about?
Don't matter!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on February 12, 2021, 09:38:55 PM
Oh and still wondering what it is you think we should give trump credit for. I mean if as you say, getting the vaccination is pointless, then the only thing he could have done is waste taxpayers money on getting it out there. Is that really what you want him to be known for? I mean being taken in by "snake-oil peddlers" is hardly an epitaph for the ages.

Another thing to remember is when you refer to your new president as Sleepy Joe, just remember that is the guy trump failed to beat. If he really is that sleepy, then it doesn't paint your candidate in a great light when he failed to defeat him. There is a reason the Roman's used to praise their conquered enemies.

It sounds like you are confusing yourself by refusing to give Trump credit for the COVID vaccines that you claim to work so well and that arrived during his administration just as he promised they would. Everything else that you are expounding upon is simply words that you are trying to place in my mouth. Just because I don’t trust the vaccine in its current experimental state does not mean that the vaccine is a waste of taxpayer money; studies for Phase III Randomized, Double-blind, Placebo-controlled Multicenter Study in Adults to Determine the Safety, Efficacy, and Immunogenicity of AZD1222, a Non-replicating ChAdOx1 Vector Vaccine, for the Prevention of COVID-19 will not be completed until February 2023. You can look that up if you want; guaranteed that CNN won’t tell you about that. So please forgive me for not jumping at the chance to inject myself with an experimental study like the rest of you lab rats are so eager to do.

As for Sleepy Joe, what can I say? The scam worked! Time Magazine went into full detail of how the Democrat Party stole the election from Trump. No secrets here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/%3famp=true (https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/%3famp=true)

I have to admit, Zelmo, your arguments don't make sense.

Vaccines are "snake oil," you have repeatedly told me. 
So did Trump hasten the arrival of "snake oil" that is not important or helpful?
Or are you backpedaling and saying that maybe the "rushed" snake oil is useful?

And you insult me for "pushing" this "snake oil" while claiming Trump gets credit for delivering it and Biden didn't?

... Yeah.  I called it right, earlier on in the whole pandemic.  You are not to be taken seriously.



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on February 12, 2021, 09:58:40 PM
Zap, the guys ape s**t .
Nobody really knows WTF he is babbling about.

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Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on February 13, 2021, 01:45:40 AM
Oh and still wondering what it is you think we should give trump credit for. I mean if as you say, getting the vaccination is pointless, then the only thing he could have done is waste taxpayers money on getting it out there. Is that really what you want him to be known for? I mean being taken in by "snake-oil peddlers" is hardly an epitaph for the ages.

Another thing to remember is when you refer to your new president as Sleepy Joe, just remember that is the guy trump failed to beat. If he really is that sleepy, then it doesn't paint your candidate in a great light when he failed to defeat him. There is a reason the Roman's used to praise their conquered enemies.

It sounds like you are confusing yourself by refusing to give Trump credit for the COVID vaccines that you claim to work so well and that arrived during his administration just as he promised they would. Everything else that you are expounding upon is simply words that you are trying to place in my mouth. Just because I don’t trust the vaccine in its current experimental state does not mean that the vaccine is a waste of taxpayer money; studies for Phase III Randomized, Double-blind, Placebo-controlled Multicenter Study in Adults to Determine the Safety, Efficacy, and Immunogenicity of AZD1222, a Non-replicating ChAdOx1 Vector Vaccine, for the Prevention of COVID-19 will not be completed until February 2023. You can look that up if you want; guaranteed that CNN won’t tell you about that. So please forgive me for not jumping at the chance to inject myself with an experimental study like the rest of you lab rats are so eager to do.

As for Sleepy Joe, what can I say? The scam worked! Time Magazine went into full detail of how the Democrat Party stole the election from Trump. No secrets here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/%3famp=true (https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/%3famp=true)

I have to admit, Zelmo, your arguments don't make sense.

Vaccines are "snake oil," you have repeatedly told me. 
So did Trump hasten the arrival of "snake oil" that is not important or helpful?
Or are you backpedaling and saying that maybe the "rushed" snake oil is useful?

And you insult me for "pushing" this "snake oil" while claiming Trump gets credit for delivering it and Biden didn't?

... Yeah.  I called it right, earlier on in the whole pandemic.  You are not to be taken seriously.



So you, a so-called medical expert, actively condone *pushing* an experimental vaccine on innocent patients. I gave you the necessary information to check it out yourself; the vaccines are an experimental study until 2023. Are you telling your patients that the vaccine is an experimental study until February 2023? I’m really curious about what your sales pitch is. Trump gave you exactly what you wanted according to your previous statements. You have the vaccine that you wanted, and you still complain about the hand that fed it to you. I called it right too, pusher.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on February 13, 2021, 01:51:37 AM
Oh and still wondering what it is you think we should give trump credit for. I mean if as you say, getting the vaccination is pointless, then the only thing he could have done is waste taxpayers money on getting it out there. Is that really what you want him to be known for? I mean being taken in by "snake-oil peddlers" is hardly an epitaph for the ages.

Another thing to remember is when you refer to your new president as Sleepy Joe, just remember that is the guy trump failed to beat. If he really is that sleepy, then it doesn't paint your candidate in a great light when he failed to defeat him. There is a reason the Roman's used to praise their conquered enemies.

It sounds like you are confusing yourself by refusing to give Trump credit for the COVID vaccines that you claim to work so well and that arrived during his administration just as he promised they would. Everything else that you are expounding upon is simply words that you are trying to place in my mouth. Just because I don’t trust the vaccine in its current experimental state does not mean that the vaccine is a waste of taxpayer money; studies for Phase III Randomized, Double-blind, Placebo-controlled Multicenter Study in Adults to Determine the Safety, Efficacy, and Immunogenicity of AZD1222, a Non-replicating ChAdOx1 Vector Vaccine, for the Prevention of COVID-19 will not be completed until February 2023. You can look that up if you want; guaranteed that CNN won’t tell you about that. So please forgive me for not jumping at the chance to inject myself with an experimental study like the rest of you lab rats are so eager to do.

As for Sleepy Joe, what can I say? The scam worked! Time Magazine went into full detail of how the Democrat Party stole the election from Trump. No secrets here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/%3famp=true (https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/%3famp=true)

Hmm, so if he gets credit just because he was in office when the vaccine arrived then I guess he also gets the blame for the virus arriving while he is in office. If that sounds stupid, well it is. Him being in office did not contribute to the development of the virus as  Pfizer made quite clear. And I am not putting words in your mouth, simply all I am doing is pointing out what you have written.

Once again, you’re talking like Pfizer is the only game in town. If I didn’t know any better, I’d swear that you were only acknowledging Pfizer’s vaccine and dismissing all the other vaccines that were developed under Operation Warp Speed. You can’t seriously be that petty, can you?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on February 13, 2021, 03:35:40 AM

I don't blame you. You should not feel shamed or pressured by anyone for not taking the rushed vaccine
Hmm, well I don't seem to be the only one mentioning just one vaccine, so if I am being pretty then I guess I am just doing the same as you. You have repeatedly referred to "the vaccine" in the singular, not multiple. Of course, I am quite happy to not give trump credit for any of the other vaccines which he generally had no hand in developing, just like he had nothing to do with the Pfizer one, but it is the one he and his vice president tried to take credit for, only to get slapped down by the people who actually had done the work for it.

Its not putting words in someone's mouth when you use exactly what they've said.

As for the questions regarding long term safety – in 10 years will there be major health complications due to the vaccine alone? This will remain an open question until we actually get there,

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in its rushed vaccine for a disease with a 94-99% survivability rate. You don't need a college degree to spot b.s.; just a little street smarts and common sense, is all.

No need to take the vaccine then, since cases are trending downward now. I’ll just wait for herd immunity like we did with the flu.  :cheers:

Or when you refer to the rushed "vaccine" do you mean only one of the vaccines that has been released in this time frame is rushed and all the others are safe, so you'll be getting one of them?

Thanks for starting my morning off with a good laugh at you though. In these times people need all the good cheer they can get, and you've certainly been a good source of humour thus far.

Then again, since you are giving me all these laughs on Biden's watch I should give him the credit for it by your logic.




Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on February 13, 2021, 10:18:07 AM
Oh and still wondering what it is you think we should give trump credit for. I mean if as you say, getting the vaccination is pointless, then the only thing he could have done is waste taxpayers money on getting it out there. Is that really what you want him to be known for? I mean being taken in by "snake-oil peddlers" is hardly an epitaph for the ages.

Another thing to remember is when you refer to your new president as Sleepy Joe, just remember that is the guy trump failed to beat. If he really is that sleepy, then it doesn't paint your candidate in a great light when he failed to defeat him. There is a reason the Roman's used to praise their conquered enemies.

It sounds like you are confusing yourself by refusing to give Trump credit for the COVID vaccines that you claim to work so well and that arrived during his administration just as he promised they would. Everything else that you are expounding upon is simply words that you are trying to place in my mouth. Just because I don’t trust the vaccine in its current experimental state does not mean that the vaccine is a waste of taxpayer money; studies for Phase III Randomized, Double-blind, Placebo-controlled Multicenter Study in Adults to Determine the Safety, Efficacy, and Immunogenicity of AZD1222, a Non-replicating ChAdOx1 Vector Vaccine, for the Prevention of COVID-19 will not be completed until February 2023. You can look that up if you want; guaranteed that CNN won’t tell you about that. So please forgive me for not jumping at the chance to inject myself with an experimental study like the rest of you lab rats are so eager to do.

As for Sleepy Joe, what can I say? The scam worked! Time Magazine went into full detail of how the Democrat Party stole the election from Trump. No secrets here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/%3famp=true (https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/%3famp=true)

I have to admit, Zelmo, your arguments don't make sense.

Vaccines are "snake oil," you have repeatedly told me. 
So did Trump hasten the arrival of "snake oil" that is not important or helpful?
Or are you backpedaling and saying that maybe the "rushed" snake oil is useful?

And you insult me for "pushing" this "snake oil" while claiming Trump gets credit for delivering it and Biden didn't?

... Yeah.  I called it right, earlier on in the whole pandemic.  You are not to be taken seriously.



So you, a so-called medical expert, actively condone *pushing* an experimental vaccine on innocent patients. I gave you the necessary information to check it out yourself; the vaccines are an experimental study until 2023. Are you telling your patients that the vaccine is an experimental study until February 2023? I’m really curious about what your sales pitch is. Trump gave you exactly what you wanted according to your previous statements. You have the vaccine that you wanted, and you still complain about the hand that fed it to you. I called it right too, pusher.

"So-called medical expert"? The time you spend on google doesn't give you the same credibility as someone who spends four years in medical school. Even if you disagree, I think you should show more respect to fellow posters.

"I gave you the necessary information to check it out yourself". 1. I can't find such a citation in your posts. 2. Again, this sounds incredibly arrogant, for someone who has no expertise in the field and is lecturing an expert.

Drop the Trump nonsense, it's a side issue and a distraction. I gave Trump credit. It appears that you see this as a political issue. It's not.

"I called it right too, pusher." Again, arrogant and rude.

I would be happier if you would try to discussion things with more civility and humility, or stick to bad movies, where your contributions are knowledgeable.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: ER on February 13, 2021, 11:11:29 AM
One thing I would like to say about this. We're all stewards of our own health, and if we have children, to an extent theirs as well. I would think part of that stewardship involves research, and I would hope everyone researches to his or her own satisfaction before accepting this vaccine or any vaccine. Whether you conclude the covid vaccine is beneficial or detrimental, whether your approach comes from a position of skepticism or otherwise, I would hope that conclusion results from you taking time to investigate on your own to the extent you feel is necessary. Blind faith and automatic rejection both seem illogical to me, and to believe that someone disagreeing with your personal stance has no reasons for his own point of view is usually closed-minded and leads to unproductive bad feelings instead of a useful exchange of outlooks. (It's wisely said that everyone we meet in life knows something we don't.) All that said, whatever your position on this vaccine, good luck to you and your loved ones during this difficult time.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on February 13, 2021, 12:23:30 PM
One thing I would like to say about this. We're all stewards of our own health, and if we have children, to an extent theirs as well. I would think part of that stewardship involves research, and I would hope everyone researches to his or her own satisfaction before accepting this vaccine or any vaccine. Whether you conclude the covid vaccine is beneficial or detrimental, whether your approach comes from a position of skepticism or otherwise, I would hope that conclusion results from you taking time to investigate on your own to the extent you feel is necessary. Blind faith and automatic rejection both seem illogical to me, and to believe that someone disagreeing with your personal stance has no reasons for his own point of view is usually closed-minded and leads to unproductive bad feelings instead of a useful exchange of outlooks. (It's wisely said that everyone we meet in life knows something we don't.) All that said, whatever your position on this vaccine, good luck to you and your loved ones during this difficult time.

I agree with the generalities of what you say, ER.

But, the playing field is not level.

I, for example, am no good at fixing much of anything in my home.  Or building anything, for that matter.   So when I hire an expert to fix or build something for me, I do my best to pick someone with integrity and skill, and then I do critically examine what is recommended -- but with a healthy dose of "this is the expert, I am not."

So to paint, for example, me as closed-minded when debating a public health issue is not something I'm going to agree with on principle, even if the personal part is taken aside.   Would I argue with my mechanic that my car's brakes are *fine* for another 150 thousand miles, thank you very much, when he says that the risk/benefit of replacing the brakes is *clearly* in favor of replacing them now?

I oversimplify but you get it.

I am tired of people trying to pretend this discussion is a level playing field.   That is why I wrote that long personal rant about my own fatigue in this.   If it were just the work itself, and not the varied personal attacks on my professionalism and integrity, I'd just be at the grindstone working along and not too annoyed.   :)  I have a lot of experience at that.     But when people are willfully ignorant and they spread that... that knee-jerk, privileged so-called "skepticism" (which is not exactly all that it is), I do take offense.  It's my job to take offense!  (and, it suits my personality to do so, I will admit.)

In no way is blind obedience to medicine a good idea.  I know much about the history of medical atrocity (and medical history in general).   But it is not a huge leap across the Grand Canyon of belief in medical research to look at the vaccines (plural) that have been researched and to say, "I'd be a complete and total dumbass to dismiss this, and I could kill myself and possibly other people around me by doing so."

So, I reject the smooth-it-all-over, everyone-is-a-little-wrong-here post.   That is not how I see it.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: ER on February 13, 2021, 01:12:43 PM
So, I reject the smooth-it-all-over, everyone-is-a-little-wrong-here post.   That is not how I see it.


Me either. That's why I did not say that. What I said in essence was: "inform yourself."  Then once you are informed, allow that not everyone will agree with you, and may have reasons not to.

It's entirely possible for one side to be completely wrong and another completely right, and misinformation can be damaging, so take responsibility for yourself and be educated.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Trevor on February 13, 2021, 02:31:03 PM
Zap, the guys ape s**t .
Nobody really knows WTF he is babbling about.

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Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on February 13, 2021, 03:55:30 PM

I don't blame you. You should not feel shamed or pressured by anyone for not taking the rushed vaccine
Hmm, well I don't seem to be the only one mentioning just one vaccine, so if I am being pretty then I guess I am just doing the same as you. You have repeatedly referred to "the vaccine" in the singular, not multiple. Of course, I am quite happy to not give trump credit for any of the other vaccines which he generally had no hand in developing, just like he had nothing to do with the Pfizer one, but it is the one he and his vice president tried to take credit for, only to get slapped down by the people who actually had done the work for it.

Its not putting words in someone's mouth when you use exactly what they've said.

As for the questions regarding long term safety – in 10 years will there be major health complications due to the vaccine alone? This will remain an open question until we actually get there,

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in its rushed vaccine for a disease with a 94-99% survivability rate. You don't need a college degree to spot b.s.; just a little street smarts and common sense, is all.

No need to take the vaccine then, since cases are trending downward now. I’ll just wait for herd immunity like we did with the flu.  :cheers:

Or when you refer to the rushed "vaccine" do you mean only one of the vaccines that has been released in this time frame is rushed and all the others are safe, so you'll be getting one of them?

Thanks for starting my morning off with a good laugh at you though. In these times people need all the good cheer they can get, and you've certainly been a good source of humour thus far.

Then again, since you are giving me all these laughs on Biden's watch I should give him the credit for it by your logic.




I am referring to any one of the vaccines that has been rushed to production without the normal steps in the process. Since the vaccine or vaccines are an experimental study until 2023, then I am curious why it offends you so much that I and others aren’t chomping at the bit to inject that substance into our bodies. Since it is apparent that all versions of the COVID vaccine appear to have been rushed, then there is your answer. Even then, I highly doubt that any of the unsuspecting public are offered a choice between which versions of the vaccines are available to them. Perhaps our resident pusher can enlighten us on that fact?

But of course, that’s not what we are really arguing about here, is it Alex?  :cheers:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on February 13, 2021, 05:02:51 PM

I am referring to any one of the vaccines that has been rushed to production without the normal steps in the process. Since the vaccine or vaccines are an experimental study until 2023, then I am curious why it offends you so much that I and others aren’t chomping at the bit to inject that substance into our bodies. Since it is apparent that all versions of the COVID vaccine appear to have been rushed, then there is your answer. Even then, I highly doubt that any of the unsuspecting public are offered a choice between which versions of the vaccines are available to them. Perhaps our resident pusher can enlighten us on that fact?


"Resident pusher"?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on February 13, 2021, 05:16:51 PM
I will say it again (as others have said):  The Pfizer and Moderna covid vaccines *did* go through the usual FDA phases of evaluation.  The pre-clinical studies were done with primates; then phase 1 trials were done (small number of healthy human subjects), and then phase II, testing safety and efficacy in hundreds of humans.   Then phase III, which involves randomizing humans to either vaccine or placebo (or sometimes comparable vaccine).

All of these steps occurred with the new covid vaccines, but they were indeed "rushed" in that usually those steps are done in years, and these were done in months.  They were done nonetheless, and the safety data from each step were used to lead to the next step, under the same safety steps in the US (under the FDA) that are normally employed.  It was done at an unprecedented fast pace because that was what was required to prevent even wider loss of life than already is going to happen.   

So in case anyone else reading this thread gets too concerned about the vaccines being "rushed" -- well, don't believe it.   Not in the sense of "rushed" implying that the vaccines were tested in a slipshod fashion and safety and efficacy not established -- they *were* so established.

As for which vaccine?  They are similar in safety and efficacy, close enough as to make no difference.  If you decide to take one of them, take the one you can get soonest, is what I have been saying when asked.



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on February 13, 2021, 06:30:29 PM
Perhaps our resident pusher can enlighten us on that fact?

But of course, that’s not what we are really arguing about here, is it Alex?  :cheers:

Since you're choosing to use insulting language: do you think Zapranoth is benefiting improperly from promoting vaccines?

Also I have no idea what you think you and Alex are really arguing about, but let's save that discussion for later.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on February 13, 2021, 09:00:02 PM
Perhaps our resident pusher can enlighten us on that fact?

But of course, that’s not what we are really arguing about here, is it Alex?  :cheers:

Since you're choosing to use insulting language: do you think Zapranoth is benefiting improperly from promoting vaccines?

Are you talking about “hazard pay”? They’ve been doing that for a while now: https://www.unionleader.com/news/health/coronavirus/first-responder-bonus-checks-spark-controversy/article_cc1598af-663a-5592-8bc3-7996e1aa5189.html (https://www.unionleader.com/news/health/coronavirus/first-responder-bonus-checks-spark-controversy/article_cc1598af-663a-5592-8bc3-7996e1aa5189.html)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on February 13, 2021, 09:21:36 PM
Perhaps our resident pusher can enlighten us on that fact?

But of course, that’s not what we are really arguing about here, is it Alex?  :cheers:

Since you're choosing to use insulting language: do you think Zapranoth is benefiting improperly from promoting vaccines?

Are you talking about “hazard pay”? They’ve been doing that for a while now: https://www.unionleader.com/news/health/coronavirus/first-responder-bonus-checks-spark-controversy/article_cc1598af-663a-5592-8bc3-7996e1aa5189.html (https://www.unionleader.com/news/health/coronavirus/first-responder-bonus-checks-spark-controversy/article_cc1598af-663a-5592-8bc3-7996e1aa5189.html)

Please don't respond to a direct question with a rhetorical question. It looks evasive. Your link is about hazard pay for New Hampshire first responders in May of 2020 and totally irrelevant. Are you accusing Zap of improperly personally benefiting from promoting vaccines?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on February 13, 2021, 11:51:14 PM
Perhaps our resident pusher can enlighten us on that fact?

But of course, that’s not what we are really arguing about here, is it Alex?  :cheers:

Since you're choosing to use insulting language: do you think Zapranoth is benefiting improperly from promoting vaccines?

Are you talking about “hazard pay”? They’ve been doing that for a while now: https://www.unionleader.com/news/health/coronavirus/first-responder-bonus-checks-spark-controversy/article_cc1598af-663a-5592-8bc3-7996e1aa5189.html (https://www.unionleader.com/news/health/coronavirus/first-responder-bonus-checks-spark-controversy/article_cc1598af-663a-5592-8bc3-7996e1aa5189.html)

Please don't respond to a direct question with a rhetorical question. It looks evasive. Your link is about hazard pay for New Hampshire first responders in May of 2020 and totally irrelevant. Are you accusing Zap of improperly personally benefiting from promoting vaccines?

I’m not accusing anybody of anything, but it is happening: https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Business/hospitals-businesses-offering-incentives-hesitant-covid-19-vaccines/story%3fid=75209689 (https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Business/hospitals-businesses-offering-incentives-hesitant-covid-19-vaccines/story%3fid=75209689)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on February 14, 2021, 12:28:53 AM
Perhaps our resident pusher can enlighten us on that fact?

But of course, that’s not what we are really arguing about here, is it Alex?  :cheers:

Since you're choosing to use insulting language: do you think Zapranoth is benefiting improperly from promoting vaccines?

Are you talking about “hazard pay”? They’ve been doing that for a while now: https://www.unionleader.com/news/health/coronavirus/first-responder-bonus-checks-spark-controversy/article_cc1598af-663a-5592-8bc3-7996e1aa5189.html (https://www.unionleader.com/news/health/coronavirus/first-responder-bonus-checks-spark-controversy/article_cc1598af-663a-5592-8bc3-7996e1aa5189.html)

Please don't respond to a direct question with a rhetorical question. It looks evasive. Your link is about hazard pay for New Hampshire first responders in May of 2020 and totally irrelevant. Are you accusing Zap of improperly personally benefiting from promoting vaccines?

I’m not accusing anybody of anything, but it is happening: https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Business/hospitals-businesses-offering-incentives-hesitant-covid-19-vaccines/story%3fid=75209689 (https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Business/hospitals-businesses-offering-incentives-hesitant-covid-19-vaccines/story%3fid=75209689)

The government and private businesses are offering people money to take the vaccine in the interest of public health and so we can reopen the economy. Doctors aren't being paid to "push" the vaccine. Pushers don't pay you to take drugs, they make money by selling you drugs. Don't call Zap a "pusher" anymore. It's insulting.

The end of that article (quoted below) contains some salient points about why paying people to take the vaccine could be a bad idea. They say it's a bad idea because it may encourage the exact (misguided---their word) thinking you're engaged in now.

"We need to get people vaccinated, for their own safety and that of the people around them," Dr. Nir Eyal, a professor of bioethics, told ABC News. "Giving a gift is not in itself a very problematic act. So it may seem like a no-brainer that these hospitals are doing the right thing.

"For me, however, whether it is the right thing to do depends -- it depends on whether the gift would raise questions like, 'If this vaccine is supposed to be so great for me and my family, why are they giving me a gift to accept it?' Gifts can sometimes backfire in that way. Behavioral economists have shown that so-called conditional cash transfers and other conditional benefits can make people apprehensive about doing things that they would happily -- and wisely -- do otherwise."

Clearly presenting the gift as a "thank you" or as a "reward," rather than as part of a "quid pro quo," is less likely to backfire, Eyal added.

Dr. Jennifer Miller, an assistant professor at Yale University School of Medicine, told ABC News that although it's not unethical from a medical standpoint, paying people to receive vaccines may not be necessary or wise.

"Ideally," she said, "people should get vaccinated to help themselves and others -- not for money."

Money and resources used for such rewards could be better spent getting more people vaccinated, said Miller, who shared concerns similar to Eyal's about whether paying people may arouse suspicions.

"Payment may lead people to question why they are being paid -- asking misguidedly, for example, if there are higher risks than there really are," Miller said. "I think the question could be more salient if we decide to mandate vaccines -- then we could ask whether it is better to pay people or mandate vaccinations with corresponding penalties for failures."


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on February 14, 2021, 02:31:48 AM
Perhaps our resident pusher can enlighten us on that fact?

But of course, that’s not what we are really arguing about here, is it Alex?  :cheers:

Since you're choosing to use insulting language: do you think Zapranoth is benefiting improperly from promoting vaccines?

Are you talking about “hazard pay”? They’ve been doing that for a while now: https://www.unionleader.com/news/health/coronavirus/first-responder-bonus-checks-spark-controversy/article_cc1598af-663a-5592-8bc3-7996e1aa5189.html (https://www.unionleader.com/news/health/coronavirus/first-responder-bonus-checks-spark-controversy/article_cc1598af-663a-5592-8bc3-7996e1aa5189.html)

Please don't respond to a direct question with a rhetorical question. It looks evasive. Your link is about hazard pay for New Hampshire first responders in May of 2020 and totally irrelevant. Are you accusing Zap of improperly personally benefiting from promoting vaccines?

I’m not accusing anybody of anything, but it is happening: https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Business/hospitals-businesses-offering-incentives-hesitant-covid-19-vaccines/story%3fid=75209689 (https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Business/hospitals-businesses-offering-incentives-hesitant-covid-19-vaccines/story%3fid=75209689)

The government and private businesses are offering people money to take the vaccine in the interest of public health and so we can reopen the economy. Doctors aren't being paid to "push" the vaccine. Pushers don't pay you to take drugs, they make money by selling you drugs. Don't call Zap a "pusher" anymore. It's insulting.

The end of that article (quoted below) contains some salient points about why paying people to take the vaccine could be a bad idea. They say it's a bad idea because it may encourage the exact (misguided---their word) thinking you're engaged in now.

"We need to get people vaccinated, for their own safety and that of the people around them," Dr. Nir Eyal, a professor of bioethics, told ABC News. "Giving a gift is not in itself a very problematic act. So it may seem like a no-brainer that these hospitals are doing the right thing.

"For me, however, whether it is the right thing to do depends -- it depends on whether the gift would raise questions like, 'If this vaccine is supposed to be so great for me and my family, why are they giving me a gift to accept it?' Gifts can sometimes backfire in that way. Behavioral economists have shown that so-called conditional cash transfers and other conditional benefits can make people apprehensive about doing things that they would happily -- and wisely -- do otherwise."

Clearly presenting the gift as a "thank you" or as a "reward," rather than as part of a "quid pro quo," is less likely to backfire, Eyal added.

Dr. Jennifer Miller, an assistant professor at Yale University School of Medicine, told ABC News that although it's not unethical from a medical standpoint, paying people to receive vaccines may not be necessary or wise.

"Ideally," she said, "people should get vaccinated to help themselves and others -- not for money."

Money and resources used for such rewards could be better spent getting more people vaccinated, said Miller, who shared concerns similar to Eyal's about whether paying people may arouse suspicions.

"Payment may lead people to question why they are being paid -- asking misguidedly, for example, if there are higher risks than there really are," Miller said. "I think the question could be more salient if we decide to mandate vaccines -- then we could ask whether it is better to pay people or mandate vaccinations with corresponding penalties for failures."

I read these articles before I post them here. I don’t need a history lesson of something that I already read. The government and these institutions are paying their employees to “lead by example.” When I have someone getting up in my face urging me to take a product that is still early in its experimental phase simply because it is working for them and we *have* to take the product because it is good for everybody, just because some anonymous members of the government and medical establishment says so...sounds like pushing to me. Why so pushy about it?

It looks eerily similar to my time spent in sales years ago when I was often pressured to push a company credit card on customers and offered incentives if I sold enough of them (and threatened with termination if I didn’t sell any.)  Now again, I’m not accusing anybody of anything here, I’m just saying that’s what it looks like; I recognize the behavior.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on February 14, 2021, 06:53:24 AM

I don't blame you. You should not feel shamed or pressured by anyone for not taking the rushed vaccine
Hmm, well I don't seem to be the only one mentioning just one vaccine, so if I am being pretty then I guess I am just doing the same as you. You have repeatedly referred to "the vaccine" in the singular, not multiple. Of course, I am quite happy to not give trump credit for any of the other vaccines which he generally had no hand in developing, just like he had nothing to do with the Pfizer one, but it is the one he and his vice president tried to take credit for, only to get slapped down by the people who actually had done the work for it.

Its not putting words in someone's mouth when you use exactly what they've said.

As for the questions regarding long term safety – in 10 years will there be major health complications due to the vaccine alone? This will remain an open question until we actually get there,

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in its rushed vaccine for a disease with a 94-99% survivability rate. You don't need a college degree to spot b.s.; just a little street smarts and common sense, is all.

No need to take the vaccine then, since cases are trending downward now. I’ll just wait for herd immunity like we did with the flu.  :cheers:

Or when you refer to the rushed "vaccine" do you mean only one of the vaccines that has been released in this time frame is rushed and all the others are safe, so you'll be getting one of them?

Thanks for starting my morning off with a good laugh at you though. In these times people need all the good cheer they can get, and you've certainly been a good source of humour thus far.

Then again, since you are giving me all these laughs on Biden's watch I should give him the credit for it by your logic.




I am referring to any one of the vaccines that has been rushed to production without the normal steps in the process. Since the vaccine or vaccines are an experimental study until 2023, then I am curious why it offends you so much that I and others aren’t chomping at the bit to inject that substance into our bodies. Since it is apparent that all versions of the COVID vaccine appear to have been rushed, then there is your answer. Even then, I highly doubt that any of the unsuspecting public are offered a choice between which versions of the vaccines are available to them. Perhaps our resident pusher can enlighten us on that fact?

But of course, that’s not what we are really arguing about here, is it Alex?  :cheers:

You think we are arguing? You give yourself too much credit. You are being mocked. That is it. I love how you can read so much more into something than is really there though.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on February 14, 2021, 08:07:06 PM
...Don't attempt to hide your bias, Mr. Medical Professional. I have a particular skepticism toward any "experts" that urge me to inject a foreign substance into my body using such desperate measures. You would fail as a used car salesman, Zapranoth. ...

WHEW!!!  I am enormously relieved.   :thumbup: :smile:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: kornula on February 18, 2021, 07:19:06 AM
A few pesky questions about the Covid vaccine pop up in my mind;  One, the virus itself has not been around for years.  While we have  vaccines for the common flu today, that particular virus (and subsequent strains thereof) have been around for a few decades.  The tests on the Covid vaccine have been rushed through in just a few months? 

Two;  last I recall, most vaccine contained a dead version of the virus.  This batch has no covid in it what so ever. Plus, thousands of people are getting severe allergic reactions to it.  That does not sound like its actually ready or even practical. 

Granted, I don't think it is necessary at all..but that's another non-issue for me.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on February 18, 2021, 02:35:35 PM
...  last I recall, most vaccine contained a dead version of the virus.  This batch has no covid in it what so ever. Plus, thousands of people are getting severe allergic reactions to it.  That does not sound like its actually ready or even practical... 

You're thinking of bacterial infections.  It is not established that any virus is alive at all; ergo, not "dead".  They have no metabolism of their own and can only replicate in an infected host cell.  The COVID vaccine is probably synthetic and targeting a particular protein in the virus...   


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Jim H on February 18, 2021, 04:06:57 PM
Plus, thousands of people are getting severe allergic reactions to it.  

Thousands of people have significant allergic reactions to many vaccines given to tens of millions of people.  That's how statistics work.  If even 1 in 10,000 people have a severe reaction, that's around 4000 people already with the COVID vaccine (as we're past 40 million people vaccinated in the USA alone).  For reference, depending on the source and year you look at it, flu vaccines are said to have 1-2% of people have some kind of significant negative side effect (usually fever), and about 10% of those will be some level of allergic reaction.  The allergic reactions are pretty simple to treat in general anyways.  


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on February 18, 2021, 05:35:23 PM
Many of our servicemen and servicewomen are refusing the vaccine as well. I’ll trust these first responders over the civilian ones any day. They can refuse the COVID-19 vaccines because the vaccines  haven’t  even been approved by the FDA yet.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2021/02/17/pentagon-officials-say-one-in-three-military-troops-are-refusing-the-coronavirus-vaccine/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2021/02/17/pentagon-officials-say-one-in-three-military-troops-are-refusing-the-coronavirus-vaccine/amp/)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Newt on February 18, 2021, 08:19:55 PM
A few pesky questions about the Covid vaccine pop up in my mind;  One, the virus itself has not been around for years.  While we have  vaccines for the common flu today, that particular virus (and subsequent strains thereof) have been around for a few decades.  The tests on the Covid vaccine have been rushed through in just a few months?  

 The mRNA technology that was used in the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines has existed for more than a decade and is not new in the vaccine development field. Moreover, the approved mRNA vaccines have undergone rigorous testing and clinical trials demonstrating safety and efficacy in people.

More than 90,000 people volunteered for these vaccine trials. The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine reduced disease by 95% and the Moderna vaccine reduced disease by 94% after volunteers completed two doses. The development, clinical trials and approval occurred faster than seen with previous vaccines. There are several reasons.

First, mRNA technology has been studied for other viral diseases – Zika virus, rabies virus, respiratory syncytial virus – for the past few years. Scientists were able to apply this familiar technology to the SARS-CoV-2 virus immediately after its discovery.

Second, funding and partnerships from government and private firms allowed many of the clinical trial phases to occur in parallel, rather than in series, which is typical testing design. This significantly sped up the process.

Third, most of the costly and time-consuming part of vaccine development is scaling up manufacturing and commercial production, and ensuring quality control. This typically happens after phase 3 efficacy trials have been completed. Because of the urgency of the COVID-19 pandemic, manufacturing and commercial-scale production of these vaccines started at the same time as the human safety clinical trials. This meant that once the vaccines were proved safe and effective there was a large stockpile ready to distribute to the public.

- Sarah Lynch, Director of Skills Education and Clinical Assistant Professor of Pharmacy Practice, Binghamton University, State University of New York and Kanneboyina Nagaraju, Professor of Pharmacy and Pharmaceutical Sciences, Binghamton University, State University of New York

This article is from The Conversation February 18th.



Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on February 18, 2021, 08:26:28 PM
well maybe they refused it cause they wanted to see for themselves to see if it works at all? and yeah some people can't take it cause they are allergic to certain things in the dose. for example a streamer i like to watch on you tube has a friend who can't take it for just that reason. i think i said this already i can't remember so sorry for repeating myself if i am.

i read awhile back that and i do not know if this is true that the reason it went through so fast was cause it was a vaccine they had been working for the past 30 years.  i dunno what they were creating it for cause i can't remember what i read but if that's true that does explain why it went so fast. i didn't expect one to be out so fast either to be honest but if it works and it helps people i'm glad it's out.  

i do think everyone unless they are allergic to what's in it should take it, any drug you take if you think about it that you have never been on before can give you a bad reaction an allergic reaction if you  think about it. it doesn't always happen but it does and can happen that's how i think about it anyways


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on February 19, 2021, 12:30:19 AM
A few pesky questions about the Covid vaccine pop up in my mind;  One, the virus itself has not been around for years.  While we have  vaccines for the common flu today, that particular virus (and subsequent strains thereof) have been around for a few decades.  The tests on the Covid vaccine have been rushed through in just a few months?  

 The mRNA technology that was used in the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines has existed for more than a decade and is not new in the vaccine development field. Moreover, the approved mRNA vaccines have undergone rigorous testing and clinical trials demonstrating safety and efficacy in people.



No FDA approval and experimental studies due to end in February 2023. Yeah, sounds safe to me.  :lookingup:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on February 19, 2021, 09:06:04 AM
https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained (https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on February 19, 2021, 11:08:20 AM
https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained (https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained)

A lab rat by any other name is still a lab rat. Don’t forget to eat your cheese.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on March 05, 2021, 01:35:27 AM
i went for my 2nd shot yesterday so i'm good for that which i am relieved, anyways i was talking to my grandmother the other night i called her for her 97th b-day yep she's that old and still kicking, though her voice is weaker than it used to be and it's quite sad and i can't understand her as well as i used to that's new.

but we were talking abut the pandemic and how stupid people are ya know pretty much what we talk about on here,  and her reply was this i'm 97 years old and i lived through the depression and i thought i'd seen everything boy was i wrong &   well not much else can be said on that cause i agree with her


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 05, 2021, 08:38:36 AM
i went for my 2nd shot yesterday so i'm good for that which i am relieved, anyways i was talking to my grandmother the other night i called her for her 97th b-day yep she's that old and still kicking, though her voice is weaker than it used to be and it's quite sad and i can't understand her as well as i used to that's new.

but we were talking abut the pandemic and how stupid people are ya know pretty much what we talk about on here,  and her reply was this i'm 97 years old and i lived through the depression and i thought i'd seen everything boy was i wrong &   well not much else can be said on that cause i agree with her

Glad you got your shot. Why were you able to get it so soon? I am still waiting, hoping for April.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: bob on March 05, 2021, 09:37:40 AM
I got my first shot for the vaccine yesterday

it went much quicker then  I expected

it was kind of like an assembly line


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on March 08, 2021, 05:14:54 AM
The early days of COVID-19:

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March 24, 2003 -- CDC officials present the first evidence that a new strain of a virus most frequently associated with upper respiratory infections and the common cold in humans called the coronavirus might be likely cause of SARS.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20030411/sars-timeline-of-outbreak (https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20030411/sars-timeline-of-outbreak)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on March 08, 2021, 09:45:57 AM
The early days of COVID-19:

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March 24, 2003 -- CDC officials present the first evidence that a new strain of a virus most frequently associated with upper respiratory infections and the common cold in humans called the coronavirus might be likely cause of SARS.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20030411/sars-timeline-of-outbreak (https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20030411/sars-timeline-of-outbreak)


That was NOT COVID-19! 
SARS is a different disease, spread by a different species of coronavirus (a viral family with dozens of variants).  You are either being deliberately obtuse or else you are simply not very intelligent. The viral designation -19 refers to the fact that this particular species of Coronavirus was not discovered and identified until 2019.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: zelmo73 on March 09, 2021, 03:10:05 AM
The early days of COVID-19:

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March 24, 2003 -- CDC officials present the first evidence that a new strain of a virus most frequently associated with upper respiratory infections and the common cold in humans called the coronavirus might be likely cause of SARS.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20030411/sars-timeline-of-outbreak (https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20030411/sars-timeline-of-outbreak)


That was NOT COVID-19! 
SARS is a different disease, spread by a different species of coronavirus (a viral family with dozens of variants).  You are either being deliberately obtuse or else you are simply not very intelligent. The viral designation -19 refers to the fact that this particular species of Coronavirus was not discovered and identified until 2019.

You're right. Both are SARS though.

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SARS is much more deadly than COVID-19. The estimated mortality rate is about 10 percent.

https://www.healthline.com/health/coronavirus-vs-sars (https://www.healthline.com/health/coronavirus-vs-sars)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on March 09, 2021, 10:21:21 PM
pure luck i think, my dad had his 1st shot and i think it was the shot that made him sick as hell for like over a week or so he's only now feeling better as of just yesterday as a matter of fact.  i'm hoping his 2nd shot doesn't get him feeling like that.  my mom just had her's today they signed up online at a number of places that's how desperate they were. 

i'm sorry you haven't got your's yet.  i saw they are opening movie theaters and people are going, that's too damn soon i think i mean i am dying to go and see a movie on the big screen and itching to go to and actually dine out as well  but i'm not stupid enough to do that as it's not safe yet i don't think.

i still wear a mask regardless if i have got the shots because just you get one though they say you may not get it i look at it this way, they don't know enough to know that and you never know you could still get it so i'm still taking precaution


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 10, 2021, 08:48:37 AM
pure luck i think, my dad had his 1st shot and i think it was the shot that made him sick as hell for like over a week or so he's only now feeling better as of just yesterday as a matter of fact.  i'm hoping his 2nd shot doesn't get him feeling like that.  my mom just had her's today they signed up online at a number of places that's how desperate they were. 

i'm sorry you haven't got your's yet.  i saw they are opening movie theaters and people are going, that's too damn soon i think i mean i am dying to go and see a movie on the big screen and itching to go to and actually dine out as well  but i'm not stupid enough to do that as it's not safe yet i don't think.

i still wear a mask regardless if i have got the shots because just you get one though they say you may not get it i look at it this way, they don't know enough to know that and you never know you could still get it so i'm still taking precaution

I've been out to the movies four times since they reopened. (I used to go once a week; now, less than once a month). Two times I was the only person in the theater.

I have also dined in at restaurants, again much less than usual.

I'm a lot less concerned now that my parents (and damn, it seems like most of the people I know) have been vaccinated. But I still want the damn vaccine in me to put that final nail in the Covid coffin.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on March 11, 2021, 08:17:28 PM
yeah but we still have f.... idiots who refuse to take it so that's STILL not helping and i blame Trump on that. the presidents speech is on and i never watch him in fact the last time i had one on was when obama made his last speech.  and it's so nice to have an actual leader and an actual adult as president


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 11, 2021, 09:45:37 PM
The ironic thing is, if I were still an overweight smoker, I could get the vaccine now because I'd be in a high-risk group. I'm too healthy to be inoculated!  :hatred:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on March 11, 2021, 11:14:13 PM
I got my first shot yesterday.  Other than mild soreness in my arm, I've had zero side effects - and a huge sense of emotional relief.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on March 11, 2021, 11:28:28 PM
good i'm glad to hear that the other day we had get this only 750 people reported the virus bu ti dunno what it was today though.

no doubt it'll rise soon since spring break is gonna be here soon


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: ER on March 11, 2021, 11:30:49 PM
good i'm glad to hear that the other day we had get this only 750 people reported the virus bu ti dunno what it was today though.

no doubt it'll rise soon since spring break is gonna be here soon

I know, it's so hard to get college kids to drink beer through a mask.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on March 11, 2021, 11:40:43 PM
well to be fair it's not just College kids who are idiots adults are too and that's also not helping. i listened to Biden's speech tonight and it was nice  to hear a president who is trying to help get rid of it. i dunno how much truth he did say but even if it was 5% that's more than Trump ever did.

he did say that by May 1st all adults should be able to be allowed to get the vaccine, also let me add that he didn't say that everyone will get it on that day but you can sign up on that day so when it is there you can get it. that's a good start i think


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: ER on March 11, 2021, 11:47:47 PM
well to be fair it's not just College kids who are idiots adults are too and that's also not helping. i listened to Biden's speech tonight and it was nice  to hear a president who is trying to help get rid of it. i dunno how much truth he did say but even if it was 5% that's more than Trump ever did.

he did say that by May 1st all adults should be able to be allowed to get the vaccine, also let me add that he didn't say that everyone will get it on that day but you can sign up on that day so when it is there you can get it. that's a good start i think

In defense of spring breakers, though, it's just not romantic to be in the stall of a Fort Lauderdale sports bar locked in a passionate embrace with that special someone you met ten minutes before in the jagerbomb line, wishing for total nudity during ninety seconds of your life you'll barely remember in the morning, but having to leave a mask on to combat a virus your Uncle Rick said he heard off the radio doesn't really exist. It ruins the mood something awful.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on March 12, 2021, 01:09:26 AM
oh i'm not disagreeing with you at all but i think people forget how last year when we had those moronic college kids and when they came to their sense one of them went home and his own father would not let him into his own room because he was afraid he had gotten sick. i have no idea if what did happen after that though.

than there are the idiots who like a month or two ago out here by me went out to the bars and this was the adults! my folks went out and later told me the bars were full! they don't go out drinking anyways but man are people stupid


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 12, 2021, 08:52:56 AM
My old college friends were complaining about spring breakers last year and I'm like really, man? In our day we'd get drunk and decide to go to Mardi Gras on the spur of the moment, drive 6 hours, sleep for two, get up and drink 24 hours straight, make out with random chicks on the street in public, then drive back on no sleep because one of us had a test the next day, and you think we'd have been cautiously observing all the Covid health and safety protocols? Not excusing them at all, but of course college students are going to spread the virus. Spreading viruses is what college is all about.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on March 12, 2021, 08:58:08 PM
i get what you are saying i do but when you were in college there was no pandemic,  i just meant that since we are in one these college kids shouldn't go do spring break. to me it's just not worth going on and catching the virus it's just so not worth it.

i also didn't go to college either but if i had i wouldn't go anywhere if a pandemic was going on at the time, course i also wouldn't have signed up for college either


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Jim H on March 13, 2021, 02:00:12 PM
As a bit of an update, it is fascinating how the USA is now essentially killing it in vaccination delivery now as places like Italy are going into new lockdowns.  The USA is still a master of productions and logistics when it needs to be - it's worth remembering the scope, population size and spread out nature of much of the country.  We're something like 20% of adults at least partially vaccinated, and Canada is under 2% last I saw.  Germany is like 4% I think. 

Also, an anecdote from a German I found funny and sad at the same time.  Germany apparently had no good ways of identifying over 65 year olds to attempt to get them to vaccinate, due to privacy laws and difficulties circumventing them.  So they started sending out physical letters to addresses with names that sounded old.  Naturally, there's plenty of young people still with those names, just fewer, so some people in their 20s got letters being like "You're old, please get vaccinated".  Strange stuff.  Apparently Germany just has not had its stuff together on vaccines, and neither has most other countries, and the issues you hear about in many American states are worse in most other places. 


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on March 13, 2021, 10:13:43 PM
 i know it's weird that we here in the states are getting better with having the vaccine but i am a little bit surprised the other countries are far worse i guess cause i'm used  to being at the bottom cause i live in the states and we had a moron for president for 4 long really long i mean extremely long years. 

in my opinion no matter if you hate Biden i don't love the guy either but he's done so far more for it's Citizens in over 50 days than Trump did in the 4 years he was president. no doubt there will be a time when i'm gonna complain about Biden doing something stupid that's life but right now he's doing a better job  in 50 some days than well....   anyways yeah i get what you are saying it's not funny that they have lower rates on people who are getting the vaccine but what is funny are how they word the letters.

i hope it gets better in those other countries i really do


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Newt on March 14, 2021, 07:53:34 AM
As a bit of an update, it is fascinating how the USA is now essentially killing it in vaccination delivery now as places like Italy are going into new lockdowns.  The USA is still a master of productions and logistics when it needs to be - it's worth remembering the scope, population size and spread out nature of much of the country.  We're something like 20% of adults at least partially vaccinated, and Canada is under 2% last I saw.  Germany is like 4% I think.   

To be fair, Canada did have a few delays in delivery.   We had contracts, we just didn't get the vaccines on schedule.  We're catching up now.https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-biden-upholds-us-first-vaccine-policy-shutting-door-on-canada-for-now/ (https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-biden-upholds-us-first-vaccine-policy-shutting-door-on-canada-for-now/)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 17, 2021, 11:41:06 AM
Although things are getting better, my cousin's adopted daughters did both just come down with Covid. (They are experiencing symptoms but doing fine).


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on March 17, 2021, 11:45:49 AM
Although things are getting better, my cousin's adopted daughters did both just come down with Covid. (They are experiencing symptoms but doing fine).

Wishing them a speedy recovery and without any of the long covid stuff.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on March 17, 2021, 12:34:13 PM
Have been working about every other weekend doing vaccine clinics.  It's generally fun though our clinic does vaccinate 1300 or so people a day on weekends.
Giving shots is fun.  Doing the post-vaccine observe job (watching people for allergic reactions) is tedious.

We've been using Moderna some days, J&J the other.  Some clinics in my system are using the Pfizer. 
Where I am we're vaccinating age 60+ and teachers and some who are younger who live in multi-generation households, and people with some disabilities.

Don't have as much vaccine as we wish but supply is looking up for next week.

I have no f**ks left to give for the people who are taking risks this week and will be driving the numbers up again in two weeks from now.  "Spike the ball on the 5 yard line," Dr. Fauci says.  An apt descriptor.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on March 18, 2021, 02:25:18 AM
there's an old saying  i use for people who refuse to use the vaccine and that's simply that they are stuck on stupid it's a clean thing to say so if i am talking to a kid i can say it lol.  i'm glad you are enjoying your job though i couldn't do it knowing the luck i sometimes have i'd end up doing it wrong


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 18, 2021, 11:07:27 AM
Well, shoot. My cousin caught it from his daughters. He's pretty overweight, too, so he's at higher risk of complications. He was probably just weeks away from getting vaccinated. Poor guy.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on March 18, 2021, 02:59:15 PM
i'm sorry to hear that i hope he gets better, there was an article that i saw yesterday where it had a woman who apparently going by it's title had it for 8 months i dunno if that's possible or not to be honest but she got the vaccine and at least by the title i didn't read the article she feels fine now.  look it up online and

look into seeing if that's true so someone maybe can suit up or something and give him the shot that may help? i dunno if that article is true or not or some woman wanting attention or not but look into it and if it's true that may help


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: bob on March 18, 2021, 05:54:17 PM
Well, shoot. My cousin caught it from his daughters. He's pretty overweight, too, so he's at higher risk of complications. He was probably just weeks away from getting vaccinated. Poor guy.

 :bluesad:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 19, 2021, 11:49:51 AM
Well, I'm now eligible, but can't find a provider with an open date.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on March 19, 2021, 05:29:00 PM
my folks signed up to a crap load of different places until they were called maybe try that? you prolly can do that online


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 22, 2021, 12:04:47 PM
Got on the waitlist, no idea when I'll get an actual appointment.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on March 22, 2021, 01:55:24 PM
Got on the waitlist, no idea when I'll get an actual appointment.

My brother-in-law over in the states was told to contact the clinics at the end of the day. They then give out vaccines from people who missed appointments. No idea if it is the same in your part of the US but might be worth giving them a call and finding out what their policy is?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: El Misfit on March 22, 2021, 02:02:19 PM
Got my first shot today.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on March 22, 2021, 02:03:33 PM
Got my appointment for when I go for my first shot, next Wednesday.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 22, 2021, 02:10:23 PM
Got on the waitlist, no idea when I'll get an actual appointment.

My brother-in-law over in the states was told to contact the clinics at the end of the day. They then give out vaccines from people who missed appointments. No idea if it is the same in your part of the US but might be worth giving them a call and finding out what their policy is?

Yeah, they asked if I could be ready on 30 minutes notice.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on March 22, 2021, 06:23:55 PM
on my celly though i didn't i admit didn't read the article but it said there's a 79% chance of it working. now that's not 100% granted but i think it's safe to say it's better than having it be 50/50 chance.    but that of course could change and become higher in due course i also saw an article and this will come on no one's surprise at all that people who are republicans are most likely not to get the vaccine i didn't have to read the article to know that anyone who voted for trump

or is part of his cult well DUH ya know?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 22, 2021, 06:28:07 PM
Appointment scheduled for a week from tomorrow!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Zapranoth on March 23, 2021, 12:07:03 AM
Cool, Rev!  Do you know which vaccine?

It's definitely worth hanging out at a vaccine clinic at the end of their workday, asking them first of course.    We call no-shows and try to get the number of doses thawed just right but often there are extra doses that we're trying not to waste.  Everyone handles it somewhat differently, but if the vaccine manager knows your name for the end of the day that can always help.   Ours will vaccinate people who meet guideline, and if no one is available they'll vaccinate people who don't meet guideline if available.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 23, 2021, 07:44:44 AM
Cool, Rev!  Do you know which vaccine?

It's definitely worth hanging out at a vaccine clinic at the end of their workday, asking them first of course.    We call no-shows and try to get the number of doses thawed just right but often there are extra doses that we're trying not to waste.  Everyone handles it somewhat differently, but if the vaccine manager knows your name for the end of the day that can always help.   Ours will vaccinate people who meet guideline, and if no one is available they'll vaccinate people who don't meet guideline if available.

No, but my appointment is listed as "initial dose" so I'm guessing not J&J.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: bob on March 25, 2021, 02:51:09 PM
I got my second dose this morning -- it's a more intense with the immediate aftereffects.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: bob on March 26, 2021, 04:59:53 PM
I’m debating if I want to apply for summer school jobs — midnight tonight is the initial deadline for applications —- more positions might become available depending on student enrollment

I can’t apply for pandemic unemployment without it being rejected during the summer, the school district still isn’t requiring all staff to get the vaccine for some stupid reason but I should be ok with my vaccine, they’re also running some trials for vaccines for school aged children

I'm leaning towards applying, but not totally sure


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on March 26, 2021, 07:51:45 PM
it just depends on what type of job i think you may want to do? if ya don't want to be around a lot of people try out for one where you aren't. or you could apply to a job that is 100% online and you don't have to go out those can make some good money if you find the right one


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: bob on March 26, 2021, 09:27:47 PM
I ended up applying for 3 jobs I feel I could thrive at

all 3 are in person jobs, which while risky right now , I have much more confidence in working in a classroom than over a computer

I'm not very tech savvy

I figure that if I get the virus from working I could sue the district for not having a safe working environment


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on March 27, 2021, 12:21:12 AM
i'm not tech savy either but there are a lot of online jobs not all of them are on the geek squad my friend but it was just a suggestion that's all either way i hope you find the job you want weather it's in person or not


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 30, 2021, 02:37:22 PM
Just got my pfirst Pfizer dose, and boy are my arms tired!


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: ER on March 30, 2021, 02:39:31 PM
Just got my pfirst Pfizer dose, and boy are my arms tired!

Rev, if you mutate, can I please have the movie rights?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: bob on April 06, 2021, 11:03:14 AM
I finally have my appeal hearing April 13 in the morning via phone

I'm a little nervous but we'll see what happens


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on April 07, 2021, 03:27:32 AM
A new study has revealed that Covid-19 survivors are at an increased risk of depression, psychosis and stokes. Whether this is directly down to the effects of the virus or a side effect of lockdown is not however yet known.

Brazil has posted a new record number of daily deaths from the virus, holding its position in 2nd place for total deaths behind the US. As the rest of the world is moving towards getting out of this mess there are still alas a few countries with leaders who refuse to deal with the reality.

The roll-out of the Moderna vaccine has started in the UK with its first recipient receiving it in Wales.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on April 07, 2021, 03:38:21 AM
A new study has revealed that Covid-19 survivors are at an increased risk of depression, psychosis and stokes. Whether this is directly down to the effects of the virus or a side effect of lockdown is not however yet known.

Won't change me at all, then!  :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on April 08, 2021, 04:27:14 AM
Well, Michigan is spiking!  :bluesad:
Not surprised. Tiana is working 12 hour days.  Stupid toothless hillrats won't get the shot. You can walk into a gas station or party store, and they don't watch the news, or anything. No masks.
 They are not bad people.  We are all pretty poor around where I live. When I was raising children as a single parent making $ 8 an hour, I didn't give a rat's ass what was going on, news wise. I was in an emotional tornado every day.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 09, 2021, 08:30:38 PM
there was a dumb bi*ch on tv yesterday or the day before on the news i mean, where they were talking about a diner i think?  i don't remember where it was but the judge in that county is now letting the folks at some diner not have to wear masks and they were on the news saying how grateful they are blah blah blah.

how hard is it to wear a f.... mask?  i want to go out to eat or go to the movies any time i feel like and not have to wear a mask just like everyone here wants to go back to normal. but with these f..... moron's refusing to wear masks i'm not taking any chances.  they than had on the news about what do people think about concerts and such... most of the people were smart and said it's not safe enough yet and they are 100% correct but than you had moron's saying they should start concerts back up again cause they'd go to them. yeah my guess without masks and while the last time the world had pandemic it was 1918 i have a feeling they had a lot less stupid people out there. it never has once occurred to these idiots that they are making it worse by not wearing masks and not getting the shot.

sorry i just had to vent


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: bob on April 13, 2021, 10:56:53 AM
I finally have my appeal hearing April 13 in the morning via phone

I'm a little nervous but we'll see what happens

I think this went ok


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pacman000 on April 13, 2021, 01:28:33 PM
Oh great... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVQEkk8pu10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVQEkk8pu10)

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COVID-19 ‘spreading like wildfire’ despite increasing vaccination numbers

ABC News
11.2M subscribers
While the U.S. reaches a record number of vaccinations given in a single day, front-line medical workers in Michigan worry about a fourth wave as hospitals fill up with new coronavirus cases.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Rev. Powell on April 13, 2021, 02:48:38 PM
Oh great... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVQEkk8pu10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVQEkk8pu10)

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COVID-19 ‘spreading like wildfire’ despite increasing vaccination numbers

ABC News
11.2M subscribers
While the U.S. reaches a record number of vaccinations given in a single day, front-line medical workers in Michigan worry about a fourth wave as hospitals fill up with new coronavirus cases.

It's not happening here in Kentucky, our numbers are going down.

Possible reasons for Michigan's increase: a spike that is lagging behind vaccinations, people letting their guard down and congregating in groups thinking that it was now safe, the more infectious British variant among the unvaccinated/young people who thought they were invulnerable.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 13, 2021, 09:25:44 PM
agreed the more these dumb f.... think they are safe and can't get the virus anymore after they have the shot  they don't realize that 1. it can take a couple weeks to go into your system to maybe just maybe keep you safe, and well 2.  you can still catch the virus if you get the shot you just hopefully won't get hit as serious with the virus if you catch it over if you don't get the shot. though we all here know this cause it's common sense but these morons are ready to go to concerts throw party's etc.. the day they freaking get the shot.

and sadly yes people are that stupid


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: RCMerchant on April 16, 2021, 02:05:49 AM
It's almost 3 in the morning. Tiana should have been home at 11:30 tonite. She got mandated to work over .
Son of a cock sucker! This s**t is serious! Wear a f**king mask, idiots! Don't go to the bar! I can get drunk just as well at home better than hanging out with dips**ts at a  bar! PLEASE! People are dying- and Tiana is working her ass off because people are STUPID!
Stupid lemmings!
Yeah- I live in Michigan.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 17, 2021, 01:52:54 AM
yeah i feel sorry for her man having to put up with the idiotic morons who don't just wear masks man but who prolly got it from Trump that it's fake news all that BS. though there are some out there who have since came to their senses and admitted they were wrong don't get me wrong,  but no doubt there's plenty of people who still it's fake even as they lay their dying, i watch a streamer sometimes on you tube and he's got a friend who works at a hospital who says his friend works with a doctor who even as he treats patients still thinks covid is fake.

i don't get that line of thinking at all man if you are on the front line it kinda is like if you are a nurse or doctor during WW2 and you are on the front lines taking bullets out of soldiers for hours on end and than still say to yourself and everyone else that there is no war going on at the moment it's the same thing.

i don't get that line of thinking at all and i'm sorry that your wife has to put up with that BS every day man


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on April 17, 2021, 03:25:18 AM
My co-worker was practically begging me not to get the second jab yesterday.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 17, 2021, 06:06:53 AM
why? see for those who want to wait until they feel more comfortable before they get the shot that i get i can even understand that but i don't get why anyone would refuse to take it. did anyone hear that Ivanka Trump posted she got the shot as well and all she was said apparently that she hopes others  do the same.

on that i say good for her and that's the only time i'm ever gonna say that about anyone in that family i'm sure.  but holy s**t did she get toasted for that just because she got the shot people apparently went off on her on twitter and she deserves people go off on her don't get me wrong but not about getting a shot for covid


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Alex on April 17, 2021, 06:09:09 AM
He believes that the side effects are much more severe and widespread than is being reported. Believes all sorts of conspiracy theories.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 17, 2021, 06:16:27 AM
i had one of the shots and other than my arm hurting like a mofo when i got the 1st shot for  few days i felt fine and still do. it's funny how after i read that i heard Forest Gump say stupid is as stupid does and thought of this moron you are talking about.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: indianasmith on April 17, 2021, 12:44:47 PM
I am two weeks out from my second shot, and feeling great! Much more comfortable about going out in public, although I still wear a mask in stores or restaurants.
I never had any bad side effects; a little bit listless the day after the second shot and that's it.


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: Allhallowsday on April 17, 2021, 01:28:57 PM
I am two weeks out from my second shot, and feeling great! Much more comfortable about going out in public, although I still wear a mask in stores or restaurants.
I never had any bad side effects; a little bit listless the day after the second shot and that's it.
I am glad to hear this.  Most vaccinated people I know had mild after effects.   :thumbup:


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: El Misfit on April 17, 2021, 04:50:26 PM
My manager is a bit of an idiot: He's antivax t Covonid vaccines and is going on a cruise to the Caribbean
(https://www.dictionary.com/e/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/picard-facepalm.jpg)


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 17, 2021, 08:38:07 PM
are there any current plans where you can leave him there?


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: bob on April 22, 2021, 04:24:05 PM
I finally have my appeal hearing April 13 in the morning via phone

I'm a little nervous but we'll see what happens

I think this went ok

I lost my appeal and all confidence in the judicial process


Title: Re: COVID-19 Rant
Post by: pennywise37 on April 22, 2021, 07:26:41 PM
i saw today ? yesterday that the Asians got a new bill to help against the haters if i understand that right or if i typed that wrong,  while i'm grateful that they got that but where's the one for blacks?  i don't see one coming for them at all and that angers me that not one of them are working on a bill to  help the blacks in this country.