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I was watching some nonsense on YouTube where Mike Pillow is speaking at some circle jerk- and a bus behind him has a banner promoting some moron that says "JESUS GUNS BABIES.

Lets try and make a sentence with those 3 words!

"Jesus gave guns to babies." or "Babies shot Jesus with guns."
Or maybe when your twin babies are screaming at the top of their lungs at 2 in the morning, and you rush into thier room, two hand guns brandished, and scream- "Jesus Christ! Just shut the fVck up!"

(https://i.imgur.com/VeP7elr.jpg) (https://lunapic.com)

I grew up in a religious house and we had guns as Dad was a veteran but not the other one.

Wasn't Jesus kinda against violence? Why would he gun babies? I mean, with his dad I'd totally get it. He was quite fond of wiping out large sections of the population.

Three things that matter to them:

Jesus - because they "believe" and do things the christian way
Guns - because it is their "god-given" right to own guns
Babies - they are against abortion, obviously

Question: What did David Hogg do to p**s them off? Well, he survived the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting, and became a gun control activist after that.

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and just like any good christian they now harass and threaten Hogg whenever they can.

I got one! Sing it with me!

(in an Elvis voice)

"Caught in a trap! I can't walk out! Jesus, guns, and babieees!"

That's because he lied about being there that day...
AND
HE couldn't get into any of the colleges he applied to, but somehow got into Harvard because of his political leanings, then flunked out his first semester...
AND
He called for Canadians to interfere in the American elections in a speech that even embarrassed Michael Moore....
AND
He's either screwed up or dropped out of every business venture that he's ever gone into (including an attempt to make better pillows than Mikey Q, here)....

Yet he still thinks he's smarter than everybody else!

^ Who said Hogg wasn't there?  :question:

Nonsense.

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/04/david-hogg-at-school-during-parkland-shooting/ (https://www.factcheck.org/2018/04/david-hogg-at-school-during-parkland-shooting/)

 Okay, my bad
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/mar/27/blog-posting/david-hogg-not-school-during-shooting-s-fake-news/ (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/mar/27/blog-posting/david-hogg-not-school-during-shooting-s-fake-news/)

You were a baby once!
Unless, of course, you were born a full grown man! I really can't picture you in a pram with a rattle!

Just seeing those 3 topics on a poster seems surreal to me.

Jesus- who hates Jesus? I mean, c'mon. I'm an atheist and I got no problem with Jesus.
Guns- nothing against guns. Just idiots that are allowed to buy them.
Babies- I love babies! I need their blood to survive!

I cannot think of a way to play f**k, marry, kill with the trio of "Jesus, guns, babies" that would not be terribly offensive.

As a Christian, I find the marriage of the evangelical church to the increasing fascist GOP to be deeply disturbing.
It just makes me sad, more than anything.

When I see things like that sign and the people there who apparently support those sentiments, it's depressing because to too many people it undermines all the Christians in the world running drop-in shelters and refugee camps, or even Christians who are quietly good people. There's a sad tendency for people to latch onto the worst elements in a movement and present it as representative of something much larger than it deserves to be. It's like when Christians point at Antifa as defining all of the political left, or when some people see the most extreme elements of BLM out breaking shop windows and vandalizing, and then say that's how all of BLM is. My point is, idiots exist everywhere, but don't let them trick you into thinking they represent all of a religion or movement or ideology, because they probably don't.

And, yes, RC, the blood of babies is highly nourishing.  :wink:

Why is it not surprising that hours after I posted this stupid post, that another mass shooting happens.  :bluesad:

Has it become this commonplace?

There are certain pics of me at that age yes  :wink:

Normally I'd expect something like this to be the main lead news item. Today I was listening to the news for maybe half an hour before it was mentioned and after a couple of minutes, they'd moved on to something else. I think that by itself says a lot.

There have been 211 mass shootings in the US this year alone.
Most of the nuts who have done these have criminal or mental health records.
Why the f**k is it so difficult for people to understand that's why we need better backround checks?
Nobody wants to take  your guns from you! They want to keep guns out of the hands of psychos!
Some folks say "They wanna take away my gun!" No, Rambo, no one want's to take your gun. Unless you have  a history of being a  criminal or basket case.

I don't disagree about efforts to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill and criminals (though that opens up a lot of room for debate as to where the line would be drawn that defines who is mentally ill or too criminal to get a gun), and I know a lot of harm has been done with guns bought legally, but the thing is, drugs like marijuana, cocaine, opioids have mostly been illegal in the US for generations, and in reality almost anyone with a little money who wants to get high can go out and find them, so is it a stretch to think some determined person could not find a way to get an illegal gun? Wouldn't a whole new black market for illegal firearms then open up like a market does with every other thing people want that the government makes illegal?

There probably is no one fix for stopping determined would-be mass murderers so unreachable that they are willing to die amid their own violence, but the more I think about it, the more I wonder if the model for how schools are built and operated needs to change, becoming more like Israel's schools, where, I believe, mass shootings on school grounds do not happen.

It's a shame, this idea of schools becoming forts or medium-security lock-down facilities, it's a grim notion  though it may be the best idea. If it's harder to enter a school, and the school has safety systems in place, metal detectors, lock-down doors sealing off areas, even armed guards, wouldn't that perhaps prevent or at least minimize a shooter's chances of killing as many people? Do schools have shooter drills, like they do fire drills? If not, why not?

As for shootings in other places, offices, theaters, the sidewalks....I don't know.

How do you spot people likely to go on a deadly rampage? Some who have done it have been obvious with their online rants and manifestos, and others are the classic loner who quietly keeps to himself.

Everyone grieves when these tragedies happen, everyone wants a solution, but no one seems to come up with working fixes. Maybe like our ancestors "lived" with seasonal cholera epidemics, our version of an environmental hazard is these recurring atrocities carried out with guns. Sick idea but sadly it seems where we are right now; we speak of outrage after the fact and go on with our lives and it happens over and over.

And over.

If more people were armed, would that make us safer from sudden spree killers, or less safe in general? Maybe we need to think hard about possible solutions that lie outside our comfort zones. I know where I live I see A LOT of people carrying guns, now openly, not even concealed, and now with even less training required, and it still chills me to think I am among all these dubiously-qualified people armed with deadly weapons. (And I say that as someone who could absolutely be considered "trained" with firearms.) I can't say I have actually seen more shootings because of this proliferation of armed civilians though.

One thing I think everyone agrees on is that too many guns are in the hands of the wrong people. What's the answer, and how is that answer put into effect?

What's known so far.....
https://www.theblaze.com/news/frightening-details-emerge-texas-school-shooter?utm_source=theblaze-7DayTrendingTest&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Afternoon%20Auto%20Trending%207%20Day%20Engaged%202022-05-25&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%207%20Day%20Engagement (https://www.theblaze.com/news/frightening-details-emerge-texas-school-shooter?utm_source=theblaze-7DayTrendingTest&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Afternoon%20Auto%20Trending%207%20Day%20Engaged%202022-05-25&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%207%20Day%20Engagement)

One of the reasons we've not had any of the gun attacks by Islamic terrorists in the UK, that we've seen in continental Europe is because the people selling the guns are very well aware of the attention that would fall on them should they supply weapons for such an incident. Yes, gun attacks still happen in the UK, but they are much less common and much less severe here. The last big one I can think of, was close on 30 years ago when Thomas Hamilton attacked a school in Dunblane (incidentally, as a tennis fan, I'll mention Andy Murray was a student at the school at the time).

Sorting out your gun issues would be hard, yes. People just have to be willing to do that hard work though. Many times I've heard the excuse that it would just be too difficult to do anything about them. Well, sitting whining never achieved anything and doing nothing certainly won't either. I really hope your entire country is able to find a way forward that stops sacrificing your children, but I am not going to hold my breath.

That is mostly Whataboutism.  I agree with only this: "...too many guns..."

Do you have a solution to offer, John?

https://youtu.be/ehikC4iEnBI

^ER, I found your post thoughtful & poignant, even the parts I disagreed with.^

From what I keep hearing from the local authorities, mental illness & drugs are a huge problem....

As a consumer of mental health services, I've watched it change since the 1980s....
Used to be, you'd spend an hour with your psychiatrist, and they'd also handle your meds....
Nowadays, the system is overwhelmed; it's difficult to find a psychiatrist, and all they can do is discuss your meds for fifteen minutes every other month, and a psychiatric councilor is next to impossible to find....

For Beto O'Rourke to say it's insane to talk about mental health is flat out stupid!!!
The industry has developed greater need over the past few decades, yet is increasingly neglected....

As for the problem with drugs, people have offered solutions, you know what they are, but too many people think these solutions are rooted in hatred rather than safety....

I have no solution. I'm not a lawmaker. But when I see our actual lawmakers in commercials ( MTG, Lauren Bobert, Catwhorne) playing with guns it makes me sick. That's your selling point? WTF is wrong with you? You want to ban abortion- but not certain firearms? You scream biblical BS, yet still advocate f**king guns? They're all full of s**t.

Yes.  Disarm yourself.  Disavow the firearm.  Otherwise, put a cork in it.

Certain people HAVE to carry firearms, AHD.

I do love you.  Shut up. 

So if I "disarm" and "disavow the firearm" shooting murders will end? Deal!  :bouncegiggle:

Spoiler, i think the problem is a little bigger than that.

Guns were designed to kill.  Now I am stating the obvious as you had.  Any discussion that was taking place was between ER and myself.  Wading in stating a reality check is "rude".  You have a double standard.  You have a double standard about suffering.  You have a double standard about Christianity.  That does not change the deep respect I have for you, a good man, though you can be self-righteous. 

Between us, John? Only conversations carried on in private meet that description. I think Indy made a good point, and I think your replies here have been impolite as well as lacking in constructive ideas. They've just been criticism of the posters.

It must start somewhere. 

Disarming the police isn't a solution...
Seriously, you should google what Obama had to say about this tragedy.

Britain ended the horror of school shootings after one single massacre 

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/m/a540e8b2-5a44-323a-9138-5255fb06fd51/britain-ended-the-horror-of.html (https://www.yahoo.com/tech/m/a540e8b2-5a44-323a-9138-5255fb06fd51/britain-ended-the-horror-of.html)

The thing I remember most from this is hearing one of the surgeons operating to save the wounded already knew that his own child was amongst the dead.

This is not about drugs. Or mental health. It's also not just disavowing guns. Guns are so deeply ingrained into some parts of American...culture. That's never going to happen. Outlawing certain guns might.
Background checks, so lunatics like the 18 year old in Buffalo can't buy assault rifles, and had a history of mental health problems. Simple fix- a better backround check would have stopped him from buying them. If he's nut's- well then he's f**king nuts. Just don't give him a f**king gun!

Another thing- blaming this on drugs. How many of the people who did these school shootings were high?
I can guarantee nobody who is high on pot will go on a shooting spree. Might watch hours of cartoons- but not go shoot somebody. Drug dealers are not walking into schools shooting kids.

The availability of combat firearms to anybody off the street is madness.
Like I said, I'm no loud mouth in office with a pocket full of NRA money.

The article also mentions the tennis player you had mentioned earlier in the day as having been from that town. 

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^ Cool.

The Jesus, guns, babies lady shows up in this John Oliver segment. She was polling at less than 5% in the Republican primary, she's even crazier than she looks, and the story takes a weird turn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEa3sK1iZxc&t=2s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEa3sK1iZxc&t=2s)

When I first heard of Kandiss Taylor (the "Jesus, Guns, Babies" airhead) I thought she was an actress playing a character (ala Elvira), parodying ultra right wing conservatives. When I found out she wasn't, I was like "Wait, she's serious? This lady is for real?  Good grief."

Her campaign for Governor in Georgia's Republican primary flamed out spectactularly, by the way (thank goodness). She pulled in a hair over 3 percent of the total votes (by way of comparison, incumbent Brian Kemp raked in more than 73 percent.)  So the only way Kandiss will get near the Governor's Mansion anytime soon is if she's part of a tour group and buys a ticket.

I don't even live in Georgia, but I follow her on Facebook anyway, cuz quite frankly, she's f**king hilarious. As soon as the primary was over, she predictably started making noises that the election was "rigged" (gee, that sounds familiar, wonder where we've heard that before?) and demanding a recount.  I kinda hope she gets one, and that the new results show that she got even LESS than 3 percent, just to see her head explode. 

The comment sections on her posts are comedy gold, they're about a 50/50 split between Jesus freaks telling her "Never give up, you got this, girl!" and people with common sense telling her "Please stop, you lost, you're only embarrassing yourself and our state."