What the heck is wrong with asian people????

[Great Sage]

WTF are you talking about...  I'm talking about the movie-making process...  In the East, movies are made in half the time it takes to make a movie here.  Directors are constantly under the gun to produce films on a monthly basis...  Take a class in Eastern Cinematography...

[Grumpy Guy]

Great Sage wrote:

> WTF are you talking about...  I'm talking about the
> movie-making process...  In the East, movies are made in half
> the time it takes to make a movie here.  Directors are
> constantly under the gun to produce films on a monthly basis...
>  Take a class in Eastern Cinematography...


You know, being under pressure does not mean bad movie making.  Targets was shot in a few days with a shoestring budget, and it is one of Boris Karloff's best movies, with excellent characterization, good pacing, and an excellent sense of suspence.

Besides, I'm talking about practical movie watching.  The real world teaches more than the class room.  

To site another example, Ringu had much better and more characterization than The Ring.

And please calm down, I didn't mean to offend.  I might have done so, but it was not my intent.

[Brother Ragnarok]

I saw Another Heaven just a few nights ago and that damn movie is WAAAAY too long.  Don't get me wrong, it's a great idea.  I've had a rash of movies lately that have great ideas with crap execution.  The body-hopping "Hidden"-style killer is really cool, the dissolving brain thing is really cool, but good lord that thing just would not end.
I saw Despiser the same night.  Good idea, needed a bigger budget.  All that horrible video game CGI.  Woof.

Brother R

[Great Sage]

Grumpy Guy wrote:
> You know, being under pressure does not mean bad movie making.
> Targets was shot in a few days with a shoestring budget, and it
> is one of Boris Karloff's best movies, with excellent
> characterization, good pacing, and an excellent sense of
> suspence.

Yes, that's true in some instances, but what you also get are movies could have been so much better with time.  A lot of Eastern Directors are making movies that are not of their choice... Take Ang Lee, or Even Jackie Chan who directs most of his new movies.  Their Chinese movies started out with little, or no plot lines in China.  People met and they fought...  Now, with connections to the United States, both, Ang Lee more so, appreciate the quality that comes with proper time and story telling..

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> Besides, I'm talking about practical movie watching.  The real
> world teaches more than the class room.  

Yes, that's true... But the classroom provides a foundation from with the real world revolves.
>
> To site another example, Ringu had much better and more
> characterization than The Ring.

The Ring was made for a quick buck, nothing more.  It's not an original story and therefore lacks the integrity.

>
> And please calm down, I didn't mean to offend.  I might have
> done so, but it was not my intent.

No harm done here... You always have constructive responses and I respect that...
>
>

[Rob Phillips]

Come on, I don't see any intent to to "dis" anyone in title of thread.

My wife is asian and my 19 month son is half, my wife agrees that most asian films are inferior to most western ones, with exceptions (Eat Drink, Man Woman [her choice] 7 Samurai and Black Rain [my choice]). By the way Andrew congrats on the kid, nothing personal but I think mine's better, personal opinion of course!  :-)

If ever there was a forum where we shouldn't be overly PC, I would think this is it. How's this for a rule of thumb? Anyone intentionally and obviously being an Ass, smoke em, otherwise give them the benefit of the doubt!

Wadda ya think? Andrew?

By the way I though Rickey was great camp; can you actually have a B matial arts movie? Isnt that a double entrande?

Rob

[Great Sage]

True to that Rob... I have a few Asian friends who totally agree with the insane nature of Asian films...  They're pretty cool about most things.

[Evan3]

Great Sage wrote:
> >
> > To site another example, Ringu had much better and more
> > characterization than The Ring.
>
> The Ring was made for a quick buck, nothing more.  It's not an
> original story and therefore lacks the integrity.
>
> >


Oh come on, who the heck are you trying to fool. How can you say the Ring has no integrity. First it sdoesnt drag as much as Ringu does and secondly has an almost completely different style than Ringu.

Also, just because you and one other find The Ring inferior does not make it so, about a month ago we had a post on this board and I believe it was split 50/50 on who liked which.

Also, The Ring has integrity. Most crap out there now IS out to make a few bucks, but The Ring reverted to classic methods of film making. It didnt rely on jumping scares, left most of the things up to imagination, had good CGI and was interesting. It also mixed in subliminal hints and such in the fashion of the Exorcist.

In addition, The Ring, unlike most American movies is not afraid to give credit where it is due. The same movie studio put Ringu on DVD and even packaged it with the Ring so that people could have both experiences. It gives its predecessor due, unlike most movies such as House of 1,000 Corpses and Urban Legends and stuff.  

If you are looking for a bad movie with no integrity I think you should rent Darkness Falls, what a piece of crap with no shame,

[Cullen]

The Ring was made for a quick buck, nothing more. It's not an original story and therefore lacks the integrity.

Robert Heinlein, writer of The Puppetmasters and Starship Troopers  once stated that there are only three stories: Boy Meets Girl, the Little Taylor, and The Man Who Learns Better.*  While this is a little too simplistic for my taste, what he says is essesially true.

There are no original stories any more.  Original ways of handling them, maybe, but no new stories.
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*I seem to think he added a fourth one later on in life, but I can't think of what it was.
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[Andrew]

> If ever there was a forum where we shouldn't be overly PC, I
> would think this is it. How's this for a rule of thumb? Anyone
> intentionally and obviously being an Ass, smoke em, otherwise
> give them the benefit of the doubt!
>
> Wadda ya think? Andrew?


I was watching the thread, but did not step in because nobody was getting out of hand.  I think that the issue just came up over some confusion about the intent or background of the posting.  Once that got cleared up, everyone seemed happy.

Really, for all the traffic, we have so very few arguments.

It is also true that many martial arts movies are perfect for a b-movie night.  Especially the older ones, with all the bad dubbing and (often due to editing) disjointed stories.  Still, look at something like "The Crippled Masters" and you just know that it is gold on tape.

[Grumpy Guy]

Many apologies.  I don't mean to be the one that wouldn't let a thread die, but I just read this, and I can't leave it alone...

Great Sage wrote:


> Yes, that's true... But the classroom provides a foundation
> from with the real world revolves.


The Classroom is, in theory, anyway, founded on the real world.  Without the world of practical application, the classroom would be irrelevent.

I believe in the power of a college education, but anyone who has been in the Army will tell you that a Seargent (all real-world experience) knows more than a Lieutenant (all classroom, not experience).

Both are important.  Neither outranks the other, so to speak.

[BoyScoutKevin]

Yes, in regards to all three films.