If Global Warming Is Real....

[Rev. Powell]

Well OK I'm  going to make my case for man aggravated climate change like this, in what I hope in a non flame fashion.

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Most arguments I hear against climate change are generally along the lines of "LIBTARDS IZ TEH STOOPID COMMEEZ! " laden with snark,  abuse,  insults and a notable lack of cited facts.

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So when I see valid reasoned arguments citing prove able facts and data on one side and the other side has  snark, insults,  conspiracy  theories,  name calling, etc as responses I tend to go with the former.

You failed in your goal to make your case in a non-flaming fashion. Insulting those who disagree with you will never, ever convince them, it will 100% backfire and make them firmer in their beliefs.

[indianasmith]

Check out some old posts from a user named Ulthar.
He was absolutely convinced that human-caused climate change was a scam, and having a double PhD in chemistry and physics, could make an interesting case that the data for human-induced climate change was deeply flawed.  Honestly, the physics were over my head, but one of his main points was that VERY few of the people arguing most passionately over this understood the science behind the predictions, and the science that ran contrary to them.
He was a smart fella!  Not totally sure he was right, but he did make a scientific, rather than emotional, case.

[RCMerchant]

If we caused it, or it's just a earth cycle, who knows? I don't.
Maybe both. But I believe it is happening, and if we can do anything to slow it down would seem like something everyone would be behind.
It won't be the end of the world- just the human race. The world was here looong before we were, and will still be here when we're gone.

http://youtu.be/xZbKHDPPrrc

[LilCerberus]

The thing that annoys me about proponents of climate change, is that they only want to calculate the human factor.

They never want to factor in the chemicals & darkness created by volcanoes.
They never want to factor in how the seventeen year cycles in sun spots, locusts and cicadas have their effect on the earth's climate.

And these same people want to dismiss how magnetars periodically wreak havoc on the earth's environment as pure science fiction.

Case in point, we hadn't heard of acid rain for a couple of decades until Last year's eruption of Kīlauea...  Why?  Because we found out it wasn't caused by pollution alone; it could be caused by anything from the sulfuric gasses from volcanoes, to terpenes caused by pine trees, to swamp gas.

And I believe 'IS' hypocrisy when one considers it was the same people out in Hollywood back in the 1980s who started telling everyone that tap water was bad for you, and that we should all be drinking Evian, who are now trying to act like it's not their fault that the landfills & the oceans are now full of plastic water bottles.

[RCMerchant]

This thread made me think though...what if in 5,000 years, after our next ice age, if the human race is still here (and I think it will be, we're a tough bunch of critters), if they find a frozen man in a glacier, wearing a suit and tie and a Yale ring?
" What is this ornament on his finger ?"
"He must have been a tribal priest."
"Who was Armani?"
" Perhaps their God."

[RCMerchant]

And I believe 'IS' hypocrisy when one considers it was the same people out in Hollywood back in the 1980s who started telling everyone that tap water was bad for you, and that we should all be drinking Evian, who are now trying to act like it's not their fault that the landfills & the oceans are now full of plastic water bottles.

Tell that to the folks in Flint, Michigan.
And you really can't blame plastic in the ocean on 'Hollywood stars".
EVERYONE has been throwing plastic all over the place since we invented it.
Myself-the water is ok here. So I drink out of the faucet. I ain't gonna spend good money on something I can get free. But a 5th of R+R whiskey comes in a plastic bottle. I don't throw it in the ocean. I toss it in the garbage. So it can be found by people 5000 years from now when we're dead.

[Leah]

Personally I think Global climate change is real, mainly because of the different stages the Earth went through from the Ice Age to now.

[RCMerchant]

And folks say-"let's change from gas cars to electric cars!"
That's all fine and dandy-except even electric cars have gears that require oil. And those cars are made of plastic and steel. Plastic is f**king s**t up-and steel smelters are used to make the frame of the car that runs on electric. If we want to live like we do, destroying and depleting the planet is the only way we can do it.  Kinda Catch 22.
Ain't it groovy?  
So- the beat goes on-!

http://youtu.be/slldMEPvUqA

[Rev. Powell]

Check out some old posts from a user named Ulthar.
He was absolutely convinced that human-caused climate change was a scam, and having a double PhD in chemistry and physics, could make an interesting case that the data for human-induced climate change was deeply flawed.  Honestly, the physics were over my head, but one of his main points was that VERY few of the people arguing most passionately over this understood the science behind the predictions, and the science that ran contrary to them.
He was a smart fella!  Not totally sure he was right, but he did make a scientific, rather than emotional, case.

The problem with Ulthar's arguments was that, although they were scientifically-based and factual, he acted like the people who knew more than he did and devoted their entire career to studying the issue hadn't already considered those arguments and either rejected them or decided that the other evidence greatly outweighed them. When 97% of scientists agree on something, a smart layman who is intractably convinced thee 3% of dissenters are correct doesn't sway me, even if he has PH.D.s in unrelated fields.

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

[Svengoolie 3]

Some people believe that the powers that be know about climate chanfe and know humanity is aggravating it,  and want it to cause global flooding and famine to reduce what Eneneezer Scrooge called "the surplus population" while the elite survive in enclaves and the rest of the population is reduced to the minimum workforce needed to support the elite.

I do not find this theory implausible.

[frank]

Probably two useful points.

1) Definitions are key. Asking whether "Global Change" or "Climate Change" actually happens will make you look a bit silly, because "Changes" or "Climate Changes" are well documented for pretty much the history of the earth (and other planets as well). So it is downright irresposible to argue that nothing needs to be done about these changes. The contribution of human activities to the dynamics (speed and magnitude) of global changes is more complex.

2) Regarding a rise in sealevels, humankind is responding to this all the time. People living on coasts spent a lot of effort to secure their shores from the sea, with dams becoming larger and more robust over time. The reason that countries like the Netherlands gain land from the sea is because of (scientific) advances in dam building, not because the sea vanished. So, if the Reverend gets his chance for a seaside residence, he could easily build a dam when sealevels rise and enjoy the next decades and centuries with his celebrity neighbour. The idea that we as a society would do nothing and just have London under the sea is also somewhat silly.

[Jim H]

Why is it left and right on this?
It's been happening at a slow rate since the industrial revolution. The ozone has been depleting for a looong time. We just have the scientific knowledge to figure this s**t out recently.
As far as Al Gore-I never seen his movie.I reckon he was trying to scare people into thinking it was gonna happen tommorow if they didn't elect him. Politics bulls**t.
I ain't for the left or right.

One bright spot is the O-Zone is actually healing these days.  The bans on CFCs and such actually helped.

[RCMerchant]

It's gonna stay that way if morons in our government continue to suck big oils dick.
I could care less. I can't afford a car.
Think about the polar bears! They will eat you! They should make a horror movie about it!