Karma Function Removed

[asimpson2006]

I've only gave neg karma once.  When I looked backed and saw that it was a mistake b/c I misunderstood a joke, I gave the karma back.  Tracking Karma would be a good thing, since it would see if someone is abusing karma.  The negative Karma button could be there but there would have to be some type of condition that would only allow a user to use it (I.E only able to do so after getting a certain amount of Karma obtained, only allowed to use it an x amount a month, etc). 

[KYGOTC]

So now we can just "aplaud". cool.

[ghouck]

I'd be entirely in favour of a negative karma system that allowed Andrew to see who did what to whom, but I do think the anonymity among users is important.

Personally, if I were Andrew, that would be my worst nightmare: A system where the guy providing the board has been tasked with babysitting due to a small, periphial feature, but one that has the potential to be the root of a large amount of controversy. I'm all for doing whatever makes it easier on Andrew, else this becomes more like a job than a hobby. 

[Allhallowsday]

I'd be entirely in favour of a negative karma system that allowed Andrew to see who did what to whom, but I do think the anonymity among users is important.

Personally, if I were Andrew, that would be my worst nightmare: A system where the guy providing the board has been tasked with babysitting due to a small, periphial feature, but one that has the potential to be the root of a large amount of controversy. I'm all for doing whatever makes it easier on Andrew, else this becomes more like a job than a hobby. 

Here, here!   

[Patient7]

I'm all for doing whatever makes it easier on Andrew, else this becomes more like a job than a hobby. 

I agree, let's remember that Andrew does have a life outside of this site, unlike some people <cough>.

Note:  That cough meant me.

[AndyC]

Wasn't really suggesting something that required Andrew to monitor behaviour, just a log that would be available to him in the event of a complaint. Somebody's karma drops ten points overnight, he can tell at a glance who did it. Most likely, that would be enough to ensure it never happens.

I also like the idea of a monthly limit on the amount of negative karma a member can give, and reserving the privilege until a certain posting threshold has passed. If you have to post 200 or 500 times before the boo button becomes available, hopefully that would prevent abuse by any but the most committed trolls, as well as misuse by noobs who don't know any better.

A karma system with anonymity and accountability would be no trouble at all, I think.

Wish I knew the first thing about PHP programming.

[Patient7]

as well as misuse by noobs who don't know any better.

I don't know, I've still only been around for a couple months, a time that I'm sure by some is still pretty noobish, and look at my post number, yeah.   

[Derf]

Just to throw out another idea (I have no idea if it's possible, feasible, ridiculous, naive, or what): what about a feature that allows a user to opt out of the karma game? That way, if someone like Menard, who dislikes the system, wanted at some future date to rejoin the forum officially, he could simply check a box that says "no" to the karma feature.

Or another possibility from someone who has absolutely no knowledge of how complicated it would be: an ignore feature that would also disable the ability of the persons on the list to affect the list owner's karma. If, for example, Allhallowsday wanted to "ignore" Inyarear, then Inyarear's posts wouldn't show up for Allhallowsday, and Inyarear would no longer have the ability to affect (positively or negatively) Allhallowsday's karma; in effect, the people on the ignore list would no longer exist on the board for the list owner. I'd hate to see that feature personally, but then, I've not gotten into anything overly heated with anyone else here, so I have no reason yet to really want to ignore anyone.

[Allhallowsday]

Just to throw out another idea (I have no idea if it's possible, feasible, ridiculous, naive, or what): what about a feature that allows a user to opt out of the karma game? That way, if someone like Menard, who dislikes the system, wanted at some future date to rejoin the forum officially, he could simply check a box that says "no" to the karma feature.

Or another possibility from someone who has absolutely no knowledge of how complicated it would be: an ignore feature that would also disable the ability of the persons on the list to affect the list owner's karma. If, for example, Allhallowsday wanted to "ignore" Inyarear, then Inyarear's posts wouldn't show up for Allhallowsday, and Inyarear would no longer have the ability to affect (positively or negatively) Allhallowsday's karma; in effect, the people on the ignore list would no longer exist on the board for the list owner. I'd hate to see that feature personally, but then, I've not gotten into anything overly heated with anyone else here, so I have no reason yet to really want to ignore anyone.

Thanks for choosing us two for an example.    Please list your medications...     

[Menard]

Just to throw out another idea (I have no idea if it's possible, feasible, ridiculous, naive, or what): what about a feature that allows a user to opt out of the karma game? That way, if someone like Menard, who dislikes the system, wanted at some future date to rejoin the forum officially, he could simply check a box that says "no" to the karma feature.

Or another possibility from someone who has absolutely no knowledge of how complicated it would be: an ignore feature that would also disable the ability of the persons on the list to affect the list owner's karma. If, for example, Allhallowsday wanted to "ignore" Inyarear, then Inyarear's posts wouldn't show up for Allhallowsday, and Inyarear would no longer have the ability to affect (positively or negatively) Allhallowsday's karma; in effect, the people on the ignore list would no longer exist on the board for the list owner. I'd hate to see that feature personally, but then, I've not gotten into anything overly heated with anyone else here, so I have no reason yet to really want to ignore anyone.

  Thanks for choosing us two for an example.    Please list your medications...     

[Derf]

  Thanks for choosing us two for an example.    Please list your medications...     

Stop it! You're getting me all excited! 

[Rev. Powell]

I agree with you on the broader societal principle, but---it's just a message board, and one with a light-hearted mission.  I don't see why it has to reflect the harsh realities of the "real  world."

No it ain't.

If it were just a message board, then there would be hundreds just like this one out there; and there is not.

Problems come from those who think this is just a message board (not directed at you, Rev) and they don't care about a place where the rest of us come to enjoy the company of others; and, maybe, have an occasional friendly squabble . Since it's nothing special to them, they want to trash it and the members in it; and that's what happened with the abuse of the karma system.

Didn't mean to demean the board or its members.  I mean that this place is "just" a message board like your favorite neighborhood bar is "just" a bar.  It's not really the decor or the ambiance that makes it a special place: it's the regulars, and the booze selection.  To me the "karma" feature is like a "love-it-or-hate-it" song on the jukebox that gets played a lot.  You may have strong feelings about it's artistic merit, but few people are going to hang around or leave based on that one song.  It's not worth fighting over.  But it might start some arguments when one guy insists on dumping a fistful of quarters into the jukebox and playing it over and over.

[Menard]

I agree with you on the broader societal principle, but---it's just a message board, and one with a light-hearted mission.  I don't see why it has to reflect the harsh realities of the "real  world."

No it ain't.

If it were just a message board, then there would be hundreds just like this one out there; and there is not.

Problems come from those who think this is just a message board (not directed at you, Rev) and they don't care about a place where the rest of us come to enjoy the company of others; and, maybe, have an occasional friendly squabble . Since it's nothing special to them, they want to trash it and the members in it; and that's what happened with the abuse of the karma system.

Didn't mean to demean the board or its members.  I mean that this place is "just" a message board like your favorite neighborhood bar is "just" a bar.  It's not really the decor or the ambiance that makes it a special place: it's the regulars, and the booze selection.  To me the "karma" feature is like a "love-it-or-hate-it" song on the jukebox that gets played a lot.  You may have strong feelings about it's artistic merit, but few people are going to hang around or leave based on that one song.  It's not worth fighting over.  But it might start some arguments when one guy insists on dumping a fistful of quarters into the jukebox and playing it over and over.

Eh...good try, but you still didn't pull yourself out of that one (as the hooker said to the john ).

Usually the best reply is: "As usual , you are right, Menard" 


If someone kept popping quarters into a jukebox to play a song that I hated, I'd just simply grab them by the collar and the balls and toss their ass out...

...I kinda do the same on the forum.

[Kester Pelagius]

Is this thread still here?



If you think KARMA is bad hop over to Crypt Space.  The Yuku forums have something called KUDOS, which are about as pointless and have stirred up just as much scrannel.  (Word of caution I renamed this on my board to TRIBBLES.)  Why?  Because when you give KUDOS you can leave a message.  Why is this a problem?  Because that PM shows up on profiles, whether you want it to or not, thus circumventing the BAN/IGNORE system.

To see how the KUDOS system there works you need to click on a person's profile.  Go ahead.  You don't have to join the board (Crypt Space) or anything to see what I'm talking about.

Go ahead, it's no tribble at all.   

[Andrew]

There is now a logging system in place for karma, and it should also prompt you for a brief description (which you can leave blank).  Everything needs more testing, but I am tapped out.  I will test more once I have the opportunity.  If you run into anything funny, please post it here or in the trouble tickets thread.