What is the most offensive film ever?

[Skull]

I know due to another post I said I wasn't going to post myself on this thread again, but I just want to commend jlb67 and Skull on having a really mature debate. For accepting other people's views even though there has been quite alot of disagreement. I've seen a few points raised on here that could have (and usually would have) spiralled into childish arguments. The overall subject matter contained within this thread is of a serious nature and obviously will divide people on it's place in society and entertainment in general. Also, I have to say the same praise must go to Rev. Powell and to Ghouck. 

hehe... Thanks... :)

Censorship is a hot button for me because I think it stifles creativity.

When NC-17 came out I was excited. I actually thought that we are going to get more movies like Taxi Driver, Goodfellas, Dawn of the Dead without the MPAA forcing change on the creativity, but instead we get Showgirls.

Although, Im not totally against the MPAA... I think the rating system should be used as a guide for the viewer. As a guide it suggests a warning to the audience what they are seening and if its something they are willing to bring children. This is totally up to the parents. But we know that adults and parents dont fill the seats in theaters, kids do.

I also think Hollywood is depending too much on the theater, gees its 2009 we have Video stores and Netflix why is it written that good quility film must be shown on a theater first?

But because Hollywood depends on the theater (which I dont understand) the rating system must reflect on the customers (The kids ) and the theater willing to play such movies. This is where Censorship effects creativity because its unecessary forcing the producers to play with the rating systems (What they can do so the film could make PG-13)

Although, I think the MPAA "age" requirements is wrong.

For example:

I think all nude scenes should be given an NC-17 based on the fact that nobody under the age of 17 should be looking at porn mag. (it doesnt matter the nature of the film, the fact is nude or not)

I also think all movies that has uses that glorifies drugs should be given NC-17 because it ment for an adult audience... (drugs is illegal)

On the other hand, Im not sure at what age requirement on gore because I could go to Walmart and buy some real spooky/gore Hollween costumes. (and lets not forget Video games and cartoons like Ren and Stimpy/Sponge Bob)

I do think stores that do glorifies immoral actions that are not age appropiate should be adjusted for an adult audience... example Juno (2007) should not be PG-13 becuase it does glorifies teen pregnancy and the audience were teens.

Im not saying these movies should not be made but I do think the age requirements is wrong and it reflects a wrong image on children that watches these films, because they think this is normal behavior. (hehe I could see why Stanley Kubrick thought it was necessary to pull A Clockwork Orange... even though his movie was X rated... and then again there were lots of theaters willing to play x rated films in the 1970's)

The problem with my suggestion is Hollywood accepting NC-17 and using video sales/rentals for good quility films that dont fit well with theaters.

[Rev. Powell]

Censorship is a hot button for me because I think it stifles creativity.

Yeah, but we don't have censorship in this country, except for kiddie porn.  Pretty much anything else you want to see is available, however disgusting it might be.  You want to be outraged about censorship, consider what it's like in places like Iran.

The MPAA system is flawed, but we'll never have a perfect system, or agreement on what should be considered "adult" content.  In the end, it's better than the Hays code.

[ghouck]

On the other hand, Im not sure at what age requirement on gore because I could go to Walmart and buy some real spooky/gore Hollween costumes. (and lets not forget Video games and cartoons like Ren and Stimpy/Sponge Bob.

What's wrong with Spongebob?

[venomx]

Super Mario Bros. Movie. LMAO! 

[Skull]

Censorship is a hot button for me because I think it stifles creativity.

Yeah, but we don't have censorship in this country, except for kiddie porn.  Pretty much anything else you want to see is available, however disgusting it might be.  You want to be outraged about censorship, consider what it's like in places like Iran.

I wouldnt call the ban of Kiddie Porn in America as part of censorship, its an agreement that we in our society to inforce such laws to protect the innocent.

We do have Censorship in America.

First, Hollywood and MTV are always telling us that immoral acts are normal and moral acts are boring and weird. Although it not seen as censorship until you start thinking why they are not talking about the moral actions and why its good.

Network News... hehe... talk about Censorship... Does anybody hear about the Tea Party Martch in Washington last week, I understood almost 2 million people showed up? What about Cindy Sheehan protest last month... Hmmmmmmm...

(Thanks for Al Gores invention...)

The MPAA system is flawed, but we'll never have a perfect system, or agreement on what should be considered "adult" content.  In the end, it's better than the Hays code.

Agree...

But its pains me that NC-17 is not used... and PG-13 is being abused.

[Skull]

On the other hand, Im not sure at what age requirement on gore because I could go to Walmart and buy some real spooky/gore Hollween costumes. (and lets not forget Video games and cartoons like Ren and Stimpy/Sponge Bob.

What's wrong with Spongebob?

Nothing wrong with Spungebob... Im just saying Im not sure gore should be given an R rated in the movies because we know its fake and we see so much of it... :)

[Doggett]

Any thing with Adam Sandler and Seth Rogan offends my sense of humour.

[BakuryuuTyranno]

None, because words and images on a TV screen aren't offensive.

[Skull]

None, because words and images on a TV screen aren't offensive.

Actually I think its offensive that the WWF (not wrestling) show polar bears and tell us that we are killing them because of Global Warming (yet we have proof that the polar bear population has bloomed within the last 30 years)

[schmendrik]

None, because words and images on a TV screen aren't offensive.

Actually I think its offensive that the WWF (not wrestling) show polar bears and tell us that we are killing them because of Global Warming (yet we have proof that the polar bear population has bloomed within the last 30 years)

Can we try not to inject politics randomly into discussions of other issues?

Anyone interested in seeing why this statement is misleading can read this link but I'm not going to get into a rant.

[Flick James]

I would comment on how this thread has morphed and how it's really run it's course, except that I am partly responsible.

[Skull]

None, because words and images on a TV screen aren't offensive.

Actually I think its offensive that the WWF (not wrestling) show polar bears and tell us that we are killing them because of Global Warming (yet we have proof that the polar bear population has bloomed within the last 30 years)

Can we try not to inject politics randomly into discussions of other issues?

Anyone interested in seeing why this statement is misleading can read this link but I'm not going to get into a rant.

I wasnt talking about politics I was talking about offensivess... I feel that was an offensive commercial [propaganda] because its not true. From a recorded 5,000 to 25,000 is hardly dieing.


Personally I wish Used Cars (1980) was realistic... I would like to see people geting fined for false advertising... :)


And Speaking lies... The Sham Wow commercial is equally bad, especially when the Sham Wow guy say's "Ok we are going to do this in real time" and you could see the change of spillage.

[Skull]

I would comment on how this thread has morphed and how it's really run it's course, except that I am partly responsible.

We are still on topic... :)

Except we dont know what is the most offensive film is because we have our own opinions... :)

[ghouck]

I wouldnt call the ban of Kiddie Porn in America as part of censorship, its an agreement that we in our society to inforce such laws to protect the innocent.

Then why is VIRTUAL kiddie porn not legal? After all, if there's no real person to protect, , ,

[Skull]

I wouldnt call the ban of Kiddie Porn in America as part of censorship, its an agreement that we in our society to inforce such laws to protect the innocent.

Then why is VIRTUAL kiddie porn not legal? After all, if there's no real person to protect, , ,

The power of virtual graphics...



(rambling thoughts read with caution)

One time ago I was picturing a story based on Elizabeth Báthory, she would snatch a child from a village and hang the child upside down and gut the child open with one slice from the belly to the neck so it could spill the blood and guts in a bathtub...

I picture the scene would work if the child was naked for a realistic effect, but I didnt think the scene was possible because of the design, then came The Crow, Jurassic Park and Fred Astaire vacuum commercial... etc... And I thought a virtual kiddie would work...

I could see the ban on virtual kiddie porn could effect this idea even though my idea was not porn intent, so I do understand the argument.



But kiddie porn is such a harsh subject even if its not real...


Sorry to say this but the ban on VIRTUAL kiddie porn is cheap politics... It doesnt hurt anybody (right) and those (lawmakers) would look good because anybody that against the ban of any kiddie porn (even fake) would look like an ass for supporting such an idea.

:)