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Kids on Leashes??

Started by Paquita, January 18, 2010, 10:40:17 PM

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Paquita

I don't want to start any arguments, I just want people's opinions.  I totally understand the negative perception some people might have about kids on leashes and I promise I will try not to get too offended if anyone thinks I'm an ogre for agreeing with them.

My daughter is going to be 1 ½ this spring and I'm preparing to take her out into the world to run and explore as soon as the weather permits!  We have a little puppy backpack for her with a "tail" and if I feel the need, I'm going to use it!  But I'm nervous because I've seen some seriously violent reactions from people who disagree with the whole kid on a leash thing.   

My reason for using one is to safely allow my daughter to explore and feel a small sense of independence without constantly being at the end of my arm or confined in a stroller... not to mention she's short and it's hell on the back to try to hunch over and hold her hand, especially when she's not cooperative.  I wouldn't use it as a way to justify ignoring my child at the mall or anything.  Even the best, most attentive parents would agree, kids are fast, they're small, they can wriggle into or out of almost anything, and can be out of your sight in a second.  I don't want to take the risk of her running to a dangerous place, getting lost in a crowd or getting stolen.  I would only use it in large, crowded or potentially unsafe places, like at the zoo or the beach.  I would not use it in a place like the park, that's wide open and I can see her or a grocery store where she should be in a cart.

I've heard the argument that it's humiliating to a child to be leashed.  Well, I just don't agree that children under the age of 5 have the same sense of humility that adults do...I haven't seen any adults throwing tantrums in the middle of the grocery store.  If at anytime I felt it made my daughter uncomfortable or embarrassed, I wouldn't use it.  I've also heard that it's a way for lazy parents to control their child instead of using proper discipline - I think that's more treating a child like a trained animal than using a leash. 

I'm still a little uncomfortable with it though.  It DOES look a bit out of place when I see other parents using them, and something about it feels a little wrong, and I HATE calling it a leash.  However, my "mama bear" sense is telling me to do what's best for my little one.

So what's your opinion (try not to be too brutal, please!)?  If your parents leashed you when you were 3 and you've been damaged for life, I want to know!   If you agree with me, how would you respond to someone that might lash out about it?

Leah

Depends on the kids behavior  :teddyr:
yeah no.

SPazzo

Quote from: Bull on January 18, 2010, 11:11:15 PM
Depends on the kids behavior  :teddyr:

I have to agree with Bull here.  If the child gets hyper easily or is the type to get distracted and run away from you when you're not watching, then yes by all means leash em.  :wink:

I somehow doubt that, unless they are made fun of to their face, the child will be traumatized by being leashed.  If nobody talks about it, and they are young enough, (Under four I'd say), and  it doesn't happen in front of their friends, I'd say they won't be traumatized.

indianasmith

I had twins . . . both as hyper as could be.

It was leash them or hamstring them!
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flackbait

Quote from: SPazzo on January 18, 2010, 11:19:13 PM
Quote from: Bull on January 18, 2010, 11:11:15 PM
Depends on the kids behavior  :teddyr:

I have to agree with Bull here.  If the child gets hyper easily or is the type to get distracted and run away from you when you're not watching, then yes by all means leash em.  :wink:

I somehow doubt that, unless they are made fun of to their face, the child will be traumatized by being leashed.  If nobody talks about it, and they are young enough, (Under four I'd say), and  it doesn't happen in front of their friends, I'd say they won't be traumatized.
Ill throw my hat into this ring too. It does make sense if the kid is real rowdy/exploring, but I think a parent should at least try to control their kids the old fashioned way before resorting to such measures. Not to say that Paquita doesn't have a valid reason, a sore back sucks!

flackbait

Quote from: indianasmith on January 19, 2010, 12:17:40 AM
I had twins . . . both as hyper as could be.

It was leash them or hamstring them!
I'm glad you didn't resort to the latter!

Newt

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I guess my three were exceptionally tame children.   Or I am an overly-protective parent: when the children were on their own two feet there was no such thing as taking my eyes off them for a second.  If I had to pay attention elsewhere, or in crowds, hands were held or the kids were secured in the stroller or picked up and carried.  I would not dream of using a 'leash', although I can understand the desire to do so.

I would take issue with saying that teaching a child to be 'good' (or attentive or obedient) is treating them like a trained animal. (As opposed to treating them like a wild animal?) Though even when training animals what one is aiming to attain is willing compliance, not merely imposed constraint.

This subject came up on another board I am on.  The majority there seemed to be 'pro' leashes, so I imagine you will not encounter as much disapproval as you may expect.  Bottom line: you do what you feel you have to to keep them safe.
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Trevor

I apologize in advance (I'm not a parent) but I don't like the idea of having a child on a leash for whatever the reason. Doing that, you might as well put the dog in the stroller and put a collar around your child's neck.
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retrorussell

I, too, think a leash is unnecessary.  Hell, I feel walking hand in hand with your kids when they're walking around is a good bonding exercise.  If you're afraid of bending over while walking and giving yourself a bad back, it doesn't seem to me like you'd have to bend over when holding their hand.  How short are they?  Just hold on tight.  If they are short and have to reach up high to hold your hand, as long as you have a good grip it should be really tough for them to pull away.  If they repeatedly misbehave and want to pull away, a sharp "No!" face to face often works; if not, a little smack on the butt is a tried-and-true method.
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Psycho Circus

It's your call paquita. I don't think there's too much horribly wrong with it, but I can see why other people may frown upon it. There's lots of people in this country who use them, as little kids just run out into the damn roads all the time and go splat! Do what you think is right, and screw other people.  :smile:

AndyC

My daughter had a little monkey backpack similar to the puppy one Paquita described. She's outgrown it now, but she liked wearing it. Besides thinking the monkey was cute, it did allow her a bit more autonomy than she otherwise would have had. We rarely used it though. There were fairly specific situations where we might consider bringing the monkey backpack along. We found there were situations where a stroller or holding hands didn't offer the mix of freedom and security we wanted. Those were rare, though. The vast majority of times, holding hands was enough.

These things are not really that leash-like. It looks more like a cute little plush toy with a long tail, and it fits like a backpack. It's not as if the kid is wearing a choke collar and a Flexi lead.
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Mr. DS

We did the monkey backpack thing with my first son.  The "tail" (aka leash) was mildly effective.  Most of the time we ended up having to put him in a stroller anyhow because he'd have some sort of tantrum and lay on the floor.  Theres nothing cruel about it Paquita so do it.
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trekgeezer

It's a kid not a dog !  My wife I and have hated those things since they first appeared in the 80's.   



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Jack

We did the same thing as Newt - never take your eyes off them for a second. 

I'm sure you'll do whatever's best for your kid Paquita  :teddyr: 
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Paquita

Thanks guys!  My daughter doesn't have a behavior problem and she's not hyper.. she's just 16 months old.  She has no sense of danger, she loves being chased, she's very curious, she's fast, and her communication skills haven't developed enough for her to tell someone if she's lost or to respond to me if I called her.  Just like AndyC said, I would probably rarely use it but would have it on hand just in case.

I understand the importance of holding hands, but there are some situations where I feel she shouldn't be glued to my side and she should be allowed to run a little and explore.

I never take my eyes off of her but she can be like a magic ninja sometimes.