The Palin Phenomenon

[Umaril The Unfeathered]

Bottom line: don't say you're gonna leave the country unless you're actually prepared to do it.  Otherwise you become a mealy mouthed hypocrite like Streisand and Baldwin and all the other Hollywood limousine liberals who said they were going to leave America forever if Bush won.

Werd, Indy.  As always, you're the man!      

With all due respect to those who wish to leave America: 

One of the recent Call Of Duty games had a quote from an "unknown author" that went something like this: 

"If one cannot support the colors he lives under, perhaps one had better find another flag."

You might regret your decision, and find out that despite what you didn't have here in America, that you still had it good.  What you're running to might be worse than what you ran from.  Your choice, though, and good luck.

Now a word about Barbara Streisand: She was mouthing off one time that America should be feeding people in other countries and here at home, and not spending it on war.  Nothing typical about that war cry, and I agree.

Yet, her and hubby James Brolin allegedly admitted that they spend upwards of 30,000 a year on their lawn, their trees and property.  Barbara, can you eat trees and shrubs?

Nancy Pelosi felw around in her personal jet to the tune of around 3M a year, with another 300,000 in executive privileges for her friends and family.  How many meals could that money have bought for The Third World?

[Doggett]

Andrew hasn't locked this thread ???


Hmmm.... Its political and yet it's still running. This might be the longest running politcal thread in badmovies.org history ! 

Keep it clean and keep it civil and it'll all be...groovy... 

[Flick James]

Andrew hasn't locked this thread ???


Hmmm.... Its political and yet it's still running. This might be the longest running politcal thread in badmovies.org history !  

Keep it clean and keep it civil and it'll all be...groovy...  

I started the thread. I wasn't interested in political observations, as I clearly stated, but I also knew that it was unavoidable. I'm much more interested in the sociological aspects of the Palin Phenomenon. I find it fascinating, amusing, disturbing, all at once. I think because the tone of the thread has gone back and forth between political and sociological it has lasted as long as it has.

Skull and I got into it over the topic of drug prohibition in the "Grind my Gears" thread once that got really bad, far worse than this, and I still can't believe it lasted as long as it did.

I enjoy debating immensely, and I usually gain from the experience unless things turn ugly. I find that people hold onto their beliefs with such ferocity that they will outright deny any evidence contrary to them. I've been guilty of it myself, but I do try not to allow myself to adopt that posture in life or belief, as passionate as I may feel about it. Anybody who is honest with themselves will admit that at some point in the past they had a belief that they have since discovered is wrong or mistaken. That's life. We're human, and therefore subject to fallibility and folly. Yet, somehow, the same person who will admit that they have been wrong in the past somehow is convinced that their current beliefs cannot be wrong, despite having acknowledged their own philosophical mutability.

I find the human condition infinitely interesting and amusing.

[Umaril The Unfeathered]

We're human, and therefore subject to fallibility and folly. Yet, somehow, the same person who will admit that they have been wrong in the past somehow is convinced that their current beliefs cannot be wrong, despite having acknowledged their own philosophical mutability.

Yes, some still see 2 wrongs as making a right. 

This was my point in the misunderstanding some of you had with me over the Wikileaks argument a while back that wound up getting locked.  I was percieved as the enemy before I had chance to get my point across.  I will try again.

"Operation Payback" against Bank Of America was such an example of the quote above, the roundabout way of saying  that 2 wrongs make a right.

Wikileaks and their allies had no regard for the bank's lawful, legal right to deny server access.  They had no respect for the fact that the bank was protecting the privacy and accounts of the little guy, aka you and I.

They percived that the bank was "the enemy" for protecting their clients.  No regard for the fact that they exposed God knows how many accounts to potential identity theft and hijacking as the hackers perused the list of clients and customers of the bank.

You KNOW they helped themselves while they were there.   And when identity theft from this thing does hit, we will be the ones that wind up paying for this, not the governments of the world.

I became angry because I felt that this was a very valid point that was being ignored, and I don't think I was being unreasonable. It's a very valid concern, as other people who have nothing to do with Wikileaks little war have now been compromised.

And if those who support Wikileaks approve of this collateral damage in the name of justice, then I quote Flick James again, when he says that some of us are  "convinced that our current beliefs cannot be wrong, despite having acknowledged their own philosophical mutability." 

[Barack Clinton]

The most phenomenal things about palin are her arrogance, her hypocrisy and stupidity of her drooling masses of followers.

Palin arrogantly says the republicans should be the party of "HELL NO!" when democrats wein an election then claims democrats must bow to republicans when the republicans win an election 2 years later. Arrogance and hypocrisy all at once.

Then she snivels about people blaming her and the violent right rhetoric for a political shooting, yet her kind has blamed everything from 911 to natural disasters to violent video youth crimes on liberals, democrats, gays, lesbians, video games, rap music, etc.

She claimed to serve the people of alaska, then dropped her office as soon as she had a chance to make more money and get a bigger audience. Well, maybe quitting halfway thru her term as governor was a service to the public.

And millions of marching morons adore her. 

[indianasmith]

Hello Barack!  "Drooling Moron" here.

We can see from  your username exactly how unbiased and rational your political perspective is!!  If I may be blunt, we try to keep our political differences respectful and free of personal insults around here.  Your rhetoric is a bit over the line.  Stay around, learn how we do things, and try to contribute more respectfully.  Or vamoose.  But threads that devolve into the kind of political hate speech you are spouting (while criticizing others for doing the same) will get this thread locked in a heartbeat.

[Trevor]

Hello Barack!  "Drooling Moron" here.

I've known you a long time, Indy: when did you become that? 

[Flick James]

Hello Barack!  "Drooling Moron" here.

We can see from  your username exactly how unbiased and rational your political perspective is!!  If I may be blunt, we try to keep our political differences respectful and free of personal insults around here.  Your rhetoric is a bit over the line.  Stay around, learn how we do things, and try to contribute more respectfully.  Or vamoose.  But threads that devolve into the kind of political hate speech you are spouting (while criticizing others for doing the same) will get this thread locked in a heartbeat.

Indy and I often disagree on some of the finer points of our great Western civilization, but on this I could not be in greater agreement.

[indianasmith]

Trevor - I was sarcastically referencing "Barack's" characterization of conservatives in general and Palin supporters in particular.  The only time I would truly consider myself a drooling moron would be if Anne Hathaway suddenly walked into the room in a bikini.

[Trevor]

Trevor - I was sarcastically referencing "Barack's" characterization of conservatives in general and Palin supporters in particular.  The only time I would truly consider myself a drooling moron would be if Anne Hathaway suddenly walked into the room in a bikini.

OK, I see.   Talking about 'see', how about that dress she wore to the Golden Globes? Wow.  

I hate asking people to navigate away from this site but this pic is worth it. 

www.imdb.com/media/rm3985016064/nm0004266

[indianasmith]

Trevor, I think I love you.

[Leah]

here's what I say- Give it a shot. She can be good, she can be bad, it's not like EVERY president we had was 100% good (Cough NIXON /Cough), hell, she might even surprise us- who knows?

[lester1/2jr]

One thing she did that I didn't like is around Christmas and Easter last year she issued these hawkish statements on Iran. That's just wrong.

[Flick James]

Anne Hathaway's hotness is sublime.

[lester1/2jr]

She was on CNBC's Greed the other night. She had been engaged to this guy who was a Bernie Madoff type swindler.