Pot

[316zombie]

i find judging people to be a sickness. and i find inflicting your own moral code on others to be a flaw. i also find self-righteousness to be a dooming fault.
  tell me, ER, you have used the word"her" in your last post, are you projecting your own personal experience? if so, it's fine for you to look at YOURSELF any way you choose. carry on with THAT.
  in MY  experience, the vast majority or people who partake of alcohol or pot do NOT drive drunk, nor do they get overly intoxicated to the point of being incapacitated. they do it as a way to relax WITHOUT truly harmful drugs like anti depressants can be to some people's systems. just watch the commercials to see the harmful side effects. i don't have an issue with anyone who takes them to help themselves as long as they know what COULD happen to them if they end up with bad side effects, and know what to do if that happens.
  anti depressants help people. so does pot. alcohol is certainly more dangerous than either, physically, but partaking of any of them in moderation is NOT a flaw. should i consider YOU flawed for using your own body's endorphins to" get high"? because you DO, you know, when you go running, etc.. i don't judge you, don't judge me, or anyone else, please. EXCEPT those few who DO cause harm to others while under the influence. unfortunately a cell phone in hand isn't considered a drug, but they sure as hell cause vehicular death, don't they.

[ER]

Is it responsible behavior to be impaired?  

I used the female pronoun because he or she were the only applicable choices in the language for the singular. (They/their is plural and grammatically incorrect.)

Of course it's my opinion. But I base my views on drugs overall on tens of thousands of annual drunk driving accidents and overdose deaths, and that does not speak of responsible behavior. As for pot being used strictly as an antidepressant, well sales of non-intoxicating marijuana compare to sales of non-alcoholic beer.

I guess pot is a subject about which you feel strongly; strong enough to attack me personally in your reply to a post that wasn't aimed at anyone here, but just a general opinion I'm free to hold. You never did refute my statement that getting high is not responsible. Legal or illegal, it's just not.

As for judging someone, you are judging me right there.

My mindset comes as a parent, and when you have children depending on you, your time is not your own. If you don't have people who depend on you, then you do have more free rein, but to get high when who knows what might happen in between then and sobriety, who might need you, what might arise, that baffles me.

Needing to get high is a weakness, not a right, however common it is.

As for me being self-righteous....that does puzzle me. I constantly address my flaws, insecurities, changes of view, my doubts about what is and what isn't, my weaknesses, my terror at my mistakes hurting others. Self doubt is a better charge against self-righteousness.

I think in many cases when I'm disliked it's because I don't share common agreement among many people here, who can't tolerate diversity of opinion. One I think just likes to put down women but that's his issue.

[Pacman000]

i find judging people to be a sickness. and i find inflicting your own moral code on others to be a flaw. i also find self-righteousness to be a dooming fault.
  tell me, ER, you have used the word"her" in your last post, are you projecting your own personal experience? if so, it's fine for you to look at YOURSELF any way you choose. carry on with THAT.
  in MY  experience, the vast majority or people who partake of alcohol or pot do NOT drive drunk, nor do they get overly intoxicated to the point of being incapacitated. they do it as a way to relax WITHOUT truly harmful drugs like anti depressants can be to some people's systems. just watch the commercials to see the harmful side effects. i don't have an issue with anyone who takes them to help themselves as long as they know what COULD happen to them if they end up with bad side effects, and know what to do if that happens.
  anti depressants help people. so does pot. alcohol is certainly more dangerous than either, physically, but partaking of any of them in moderation is NOT a flaw. should i consider YOU flawed for using your own body's endorphins to" get high"? because you DO, you know, when you go running, etc.. i don't judge you, don't judge me, or anyone else, please. EXCEPT those few who DO cause harm to others while under the influence. unfortunately a cell phone in hand isn't considered a drug, but they sure as hell cause vehicular death, don't they.

But doesn't society depend on a consistent code of conduct? And by implementing said code of conduct doesn't society implicitly judge other forms of conduct, & those who practice them as bad? I do agree that self-righteousness is a fault; if you always see yourself as righteous you will never realize your own faults, & may eventually cause yourself harm.

ER's pedo example was poor; a better example might be speed limits. Is there a deadly crash everytime the speed limit's broken? No, but breaking the speed limit does increase one's risk of crashing, if only slightly. Should we lower speed limits to decrease the chances of crashing further, or should we raise them? Does the increased convience outweigh the increased risk?

Not sure the endorphins/illegal drugs comparison is applicable, unless the naturally-occurring endorphins you get through exercise have some sort of mind-altering effect which makes you less aware of your surroundings. I agree that most antidepressants sound dangerous. Most states are banning cell phone use in cars; using a cell phone while driving is as bad as driving drunk.

[ER]

i find judging people to be a sickness. and i find inflicting your own moral code on others to be a flaw. i also find self-righteousness to be a dooming fault.
  tell me, ER, you have used the word"her" in your last post, are you projecting your own personal experience? if so, it's fine for you to look at YOURSELF any way you choose. carry on with THAT.
  in MY  experience, the vast majority or people who partake of alcohol or pot do NOT drive drunk, nor do they get overly intoxicated to the point of being incapacitated. they do it as a way to relax WITHOUT truly harmful drugs like anti depressants can be to some people's systems. just watch the commercials to see the harmful side effects. i don't have an issue with anyone who takes them to help themselves as long as they know what COULD happen to them if they end up with bad side effects, and know what to do if that happens.
  anti depressants help people. so does pot. alcohol is certainly more dangerous than either, physically, but partaking of any of them in moderation is NOT a flaw. should i consider YOU flawed for using your own body's endorphins to" get high"? because you DO, you know, when you go running, etc.. i don't judge you, don't judge me, or anyone else, please. EXCEPT those few who DO cause harm to others while under the influence. unfortunately a cell phone in hand isn't considered a drug, but they sure as hell cause vehicular death, don't they.

But doesn't society depend on a consistent code of conduct? And by implementing said code of conduct doesn't society implicitly judge other forms of conduct, & those who practice them as bad? I do agree that self-righteousness is a fault; if you always see yourself as righteous you will never realize your own faults, & may eventually cause yourself harm.

ER's pedo example was poor; a better example might be speed limits. Is there a deadly crash everytime the speed limit's broken? No, but breaking the speed limit does increase one's risk of crashing, if only slightly. Should we lower speed limits to decrease the chances of crashing further, or should we raise them? Does the increased convience outweigh the increased risk?

Not sure the endorphins/illegal drugs comparison is applicable, unless the naturally-occurring endorphins you get through exercise have some sort of mind-altering effect which makes you less aware of your surroundings. I agree that most antidepressants sound dangerous. Most states are banning cell phone use in cars; using a cell phone while driving is as bad as driving drunk.

I chose the pedophile argument because I actually heard it made, someone honestly said legalizing drugs was based on people needing to get high, and this person said he and others who share his own addiction should have recognition the same way. I found that disgusting.

[RCMerchant]

Horses**t  .

[Svengoolie 3]

Comparing pot smoking to pedophilia is disgustingly stupid.

[RCMerchant]

ER-we get it. You don't like pot and think people who use it are losers.
Why drag it out on and on? Trying to convince them you are right?
Yeah, I know. Pot turns people into mindless zombies.
Gimme a f**kin' break.

[ER]

Ronny, I'm someone who has nearly always had a lot of responsibility placed on me, other people's lives at times, and I'm not talking about only children there, and I can't fathom the luxury of being able to feel it's all right to let myself become impaired on a regular or daily basis, and feel it was acceptable, or even beneficial, or above all, my right to get that way.

I guess, Ronny, I am trying to understand the justification for deliberate irresponsibility, and so far no one has ever been able to explain it to me. People get high because they choose to, not because they should. So I have often been the designated driver, the one who bails others out of jail (including last week when my friend got drunk and got in a fight), the one who takes care of my cousins' possessions while they go to rehab, the one who consoled my aunt the times her daughter overdosed, the one my other junky cousin tried to stab. I'm someone who got ripped off by an addict friend in college, who stole things from Jackie and me every time she came over, so she could afford to get high. I've had to take employment drug tests since I was in my teens. Drugs are foreign to me. That's where I'm coming from. I'm also always "lending" money to another friend even though she and her husband always seem to have enough money to buy their weed. I give her money because I feel bad for their little boy, but I wish they'd give up pot and spend money on him. I know I will never get my money back but I consider it an investment.

But you know, I don't feel like I'm missing out by being sober. The people I've admired could do a lot of other things people who are wasted couldn't. I've known amazing people who never touched drugs. I've never met a drug user who was in the same league.

But give me a break, I never equated smoking pot to Reefer Madness. Just said it wasn't justifiable. Which it's not.

Hell, my friend's mom in high school grew it out back and she and her husband and son smoked it all the time, telling me stories about how Carl Sagan lit up and was the Professor X. who wrote all the articles. My downstairs neighbor a dozen years ago grew a s**tload of it and smuggled it all over the place via her airline job. Got high with her a few times and once she f**king tried to molest me. (Should've added her to the list.)

I've used it and when I did I was abdicating responsibility just like anyone else who uses. That's all I was saying. Maybe you can explain it to me.

[Allhallowsday]

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I used the female pronoun because he or she were the only applicable choices in the language for the singular. (They/their is plural and grammatically incorrect.)...

ER is correct, though I often use the plural for the sake of ease and inclusiveness. 

[Allhallowsday]

Horses**t  .

[RCMerchant]

Ronny, I'm someone who has nearly always had a lot of responsibility placed on me, other people's lives at times, and I'm not talking about only children there, and I can't fathom the luxury of being able to feel it's all right to let myself become impaired on a regular or daily basis, and feel it was acceptable, or even beneficial, or above all, my right to get that way.

I guess, Ronny, I am trying to understand the justification for deliberate irresponsibility, and so far no one has ever been able to explain it to me. People get high because they choose to, not because they should. So I have often been the designated driver, the one who bails others out of jail (including last week when my friend got drunk and got in a fight), the one who takes care of my cousins' possessions while they go to rehab, the one who consoled my aunt the times her daughter overdosed, the one my other junky cousin tried to stab. I'm someone who got ripped off by an addict friend in college, who stole things from Jackie and me every time she came over, so she could afford to get high. I've had to take employment drug tests since I was in my teens. Drugs are foreign to me. That's where I'm coming from. I'm also always "lending" money to another friend even though she and her husband always seem to have enough money to buy their weed. I give her money because I feel bad for their little boy, but I wish they'd give up pot and spend money on him. I know I will never get my money back but I consider it an investment.

But you know, I don't feel like I'm missing out by being sober. The people I've admired could do a lot of other things people who are wasted couldn't. I've known amazing people who never touched drugs. I've never met a drug user who was in the same league.

But give me a break, I never equated smoking pot to Reefer Madness. Just said it wasn't justifiable. Which it's not.

Hell, my friend's mom in high school grew it out back and she and her husband and son smoked it all the time, telling me stories about how Carl Sagan lit up and was the Professor X. who wrote all the articles. My downstairs neighbor a dozen years ago grew a s**tload of it and smuggled it all over the place via her airline job. Got high with her a few times and once she f**king tried to molest me. (Should've added her to the list.)

I've used it and when I did I was abdicating responsibility just like anyone else who uses. That's all I was saying. Maybe you can explain it to me.

Holy Moly!  
You like Byron, right? Is he a loser? Or Poe? Or Bela Lugosi? If you will judge someone by an addiction to drugs is stupid.
You kill me, man.  
I couldn't even read all this justification of why you say stupid s**t!
Dam! Keep it down to 5 sentences or so. Even a paragraph is ok. But when you go on for half a page about some dam thing or another-it just turns into home school psychotherapy horses**t.

Sweet Satan! Don't deliver me from Evil!

[RCMerchant]

I've used it and when I did I was abdicating responsibility just like anyone else who uses. That's all I was saying. Maybe you can explain it to me.

You kill me, man! Just because when YOU used it-it f**ked you up. So you assume everyone else was as freaked out as you.
You Kill me, man.  

[ER]

Oh, my God, please. I can't do this anymore. No one saw through this? I could have kept this topic up a while longer, I had an even bigger post about drugs ready, I was going to mention the deterioration of Jim Carrey and bring up the urban legend about Martin Scorsesi's nose and I had it about 1,500 words. It's been funny, it's been fun, but be free, really, I release you. Yes, I get why you smoke pot, yes, decriminalizing beats locking users up, but honestly, gang, for real? Not one of you thought I was kidding even a little? Comparing getting high to molesting children? Ohhhhhmigawd, what a day. You are all so serious. Really, exploiting pre-existing antipathy, it's like shooting fish in Cassius Clay's teacup. Jig's up, peace out, we return to regularly scheduled programming.  Thanks for the amusement, take a bow! I couldn't have done it without a few of you. TTYL

[RCMerchant]

More long winded s**t! 
Christ onnna Cross! Just stop! 

[RCMerchant]

Oh, my God, please. I can't do this anymore. No one saw through this? I could have kept this topic up a while longer, I had an even bigger post about drugs ready, I was going to mention the deterioration of Jim Carrey and bring up the urban legend about Martin Scorsesi's nose and I had it about 1,500 words. It's been funny, it's been fun, but be free, really, I release you. Yes, I get why you smoke pot, yes, decriminalizing beats locking users up, but honestly, gang, for real? Not one of you thought I was kidding even a little? Comparing getting high to molesting children? Ohhhhhmigawd, what a day. You are all so serious. Really, exploiting pre-existing antipathy, it's like shooting fish in Cassius Clay's teacup. Jig's up, peace out, we return to regularly scheduled programming.  Thanks for the amusement, take a bow! I couldn't have done it without a few of you. TTYL

You make excuses when someone calls you on something-and say "I'm joking!"
Horses**t.