ISIS

[lester1/2jr]

Yeah we need a leader who could nuke thousands of innocent people. God, good riddance to the gory 20th century and it's insane centralized power and volcanoes full of human sacrifice. 2000-1900 BC was more civilized

Knowing you share a world with people who have attacked you before and proclaim their desire to attack you again isn't paranoia, it's facing a harsh truth.

I don't remember Pakistan or Iran nuking us or attacking us in any way. I'm not worried about it. I am worried about stateless actors doing so and no amount of bombing will change this: Muslims want us out of their countries. Anyone who saw jean Claude Van Dammes " Legionaire" knows how the story ends. You either choose to go or you are driven out

[RCMerchant]

Fact is-you can talk politics all dam day long-they dont give a flying f**k about politics-they need to be fought with tooth and nail. If that sounds extreme-well-we aint playing with little girls here-they use the most evil means to hurt theyre fellow man. The gloves need to come off.

[indianasmith]

Dang, RC, I wish your karma was adjustable!  Your common sense has earned some points tonight.

Lester, I don't agree with you on foreign policy, and probably never will, but I do respect the consistency of the positions you take.

[RCMerchant]

I just think this really is comparible to Nazi Germany-but they are lacking a Hitler-they are leaderless a***oles. We can beat these f**kers if we get serious. We HAVE the weapons to do it. I usta think Harry Truman was wrong using the atom bomb.
I dont think so any more.

[lester1/2jr]

No matter how much of a hawk you are though you can't say yes to everything. If we'd had a president who paused before Vietnam or Somalia we could have saved mens (and civilians) lives and spared ourselves the tragedies.  Look at how the USSR collapsed after Afghanistan went south. nothing brings down a country like a sour war.


Obama just killed the head of Al Shabab in Somalia with drones or something. Is the world better off for that guy being gone? probably. Do we have the responsibility to be in SOMALIA helping I guess Ethiopia with their problems? Are we a country or an insane octopus with ten million arms I don't know

I understand the revulsion towards ISIS and I'm pretty sure every normal person shares it.

[RCMerchant]

Im sorry if I come across as crazy-being a radical left wing anarchist-but there is a time to drop politics and KICK ASS.

[RCMerchant]

I hate war. I am so far left I make commies look like  Ronnie Reagan.
BUT
I am not so stupid to ignore a very evil threat to ALL people-and that is what ISIS is.

[Olivia Bauer]

President Obama has essentially declared war on ISIS. He plans to bomb them.

[indianasmith]

I hope that does the trick, but I imagine before it's all said and done there will have to be boots on the ground.

[RCMerchant]

I hope that does the trick, but I imagine before it's all said and done there will have to be boots on the ground.

Yeah...I agree.
Obama said we are gonna train Iraqi folks to fight-hell-they were too passive to fight Saddam-they gonna fight these maniacs? No. We really need to do get really crazy-scatter them like roaches.They wont give up. EVER.

[RCMerchant]

If we find a there main camp-we need to drop a low level nuculer bomb.
I know that sounds crazy-but it would work. Would end it all NOW.
I used to think what Truman did was murder-but he was right.
It IS murder-but you have to fight murder with BIGGER murder-cuz hipie s**t aint gonna work.
Dam-if CheezeFlicks could see me now he would s**t. 
it makes me sad that I-a pacifist-is even thinking this. What a world.

[RCMerchant]

Yeah we need a leader who could nuke thousands of innocent people. God, good riddance to the gory 20th century and it's insane centralized power and volcanoes full of human sacrifice. 2000-1900 BC was more civilized

Knowing you share a world with people who have attacked you before and proclaim their desire to attack you again isn't paranoia, it's facing a harsh truth.

I don't remember Pakistan or Iran nuking us or attacking us in any way. I'm not worried about it. I am worried about stateless actors doing so and no amount of bombing will change this: Muslims want us out of their countries. Anyone who saw jean Claude Van Dammes " Legionaire" knows how the story ends. You either choose to go or you are driven out

So-should we sit on our hands? Let them kill like maniacs?
Rabid dogs cant be tamed-they need to be SHOT.

[Josso]

For the most part I agree with what you are saying RC, I just worry about details like separating perpetrators from victims - or philosophical points like if you are brainwashed lower ranking guy, even though you've committed evil acts does that really 100% make you a perpetrator. This is the sort of thing that makes war look like a blunt object instead of a precision tool. What's your view on that kinda thing?

[RCMerchant]

If an SS guy follows Hitler-he's just doing his job killing Jews-that makes him MORE dangerous than the man he follows.
Because if you take away the tools of a fanatic-he;s just a ranting nut. The tools do the killing.
I have no qualms of them getting killed.
As far as civilians getting caught in the crossfire.That is f**ked. But if we dont do anything at all we will ALL be caught in the crossfire.

[Josso]

So would there be a limit of "collateral damage" for you, could you put a number on that like 1000 civilians is ok but 1001 is not.