Who should be the next president?

[lester1/2jr]

who shouldn't be the old president

[Allhallowsday]

Compare this Trump turn-out

with the pathetic Hillary appearances over the last few weeks.  She's had a few that didn't even top 100 people or thereabouts.
Now, square those images of popularity with the "poll data" that seems to mean so much to so many people.

I don't want Trump to win because I find him morally repugnant.  He is a BAD MAN and I DO NOT trust him.  That's the bottom line.

Once again, the reality we face is the choice between Trump and Clinton.  I've got to say...if you find him more "morally repugnant" or less worthy of your trust than Clinton...that's some mighty fine mental gymnastics for someone claiming to be on the "Right."
She's the Olympic Gold Medal Winner of EVERYTHING that is repulsive about American politics and politicians.  There's clear evidence of her corruption and moral bankruptcy...VERY...CLEAR...EVIDENCE.
For Trump, you just believe he's a 'bad man.' 
Trump could handily win this election in a landslide if the "Never Trump" crowd could get over their self-righteous indignation holding him to a FAR different standard than they hold Clinton to.

It's just quite frankly laughable how anyone can use the phrase "morally bankrupt" in a sentence and NOT include Clinton as the Gold Standard for 'badness' everyone else is measured against.

Or, did Donald Trump actively participate in actions/decisions that led to the deaths of American citizens in Benghazi too and I just have not heard about it?
Seriously.  Cuz, you know, Clinton DID.

All this finger wagging against Trump while ignoring Clinton's corruption and crimes is beyond intellectually dishonest; it's self-deception.  So, square THAT with the phrase "morally bankrupt."

Of course, you know what Indy wrote.  You are a bit hog wild. 

[lester1/2jr]

the closer you get the the opioid epidemic the less stuff like political correctness and lack of decorum seem to matter

[Allhallowsday]

the closer you get the the opioid epidemic the less stuff like political correctness and lack of decorum seem to matter

Perhaps that's why the old adage: Don't talk religion or politics. 

[Leah]

There are 3 things that will end a conversation- Batman, Charging Rhinos, Inside the Sun. At least in Apples to Apples.

[Skull]

the closer you get the the opioid epidemic the less stuff like political correctness and lack of decorum seem to matter

Perhaps that's why the old adage: Don't talk religion or politics.  

Here is one comment I found from Indy:

You're making an assumption - I can't STAND Beck.

Here's my logic - I neither like nor trust Trump.  He's grossly unqualified and purely IMO - mentally unstable and a borderline fascist. That being said, I'm from Texas, a state full of angry rednecks which he is going to carry hands down.  My support matters about as much as bug spit in a hurricane, so I can refuse to soil my ballot with his name and not change things down here one bit.

Then, if he loses to Hillary in the fall, I'm going to enjoy a huge I TOLD YOU SO to every single person who supported him.
If (God forbid) he wins, then I'll pray I was wrong about him while watching him prove me right.

5 million McCain voters didn't come out to vote for Romney, we were stuck with Obama for a second term. I'm not letting this bulls**t slide. People that have this thought in mind is equally responsible for the bulls**t we are stuck with. We should NEVER HAVE A 2RD TERM OBAMA! Anyway... If Hillary wins, I'm holding the Never Trumpers responsible.


And we get borderline fascist and  angry rednecks... Like I said I have doubts that his little argument with a friend for 40 years was only because his friend was being an a***ole.



Please note I ended up reading the first 40 pages to find this quote. I'm pleased with most of the stuff I said and surprised that Ulthar was against Trump at first. I sort of forgotten that. I know I was on the Trump train once Scott Walker dropped out. :)

[ulthar]

Note to MSM apologists:  Propaganda ALWAYS shows itself to be the lie that it is.  Alt-Right and citizen journalists called everything but decent human beings over the past few weeks...yet once again, they are shown, proven correct.

#FaintingHillary

Objective truth cannot be hidden.  It can't be spun.  Facts matter.

[ulthar]

surprised that Ulthar was against Trump at first. I sort of forgotten that.

Yup.  Tis true.

When "my guy" was out of the race, I had to face the reality that Trump was the nominee.  Whinging about him not being "ideal" was not going to solve a thing.

So, I began to ask myself..."Why DO Trump supporters support him?" And, I began a several-weeks-long campaign of research to try to uncover that.

And, I learned in the process that Trump was a FAR, FAR better candidate than I had realized.  Had I known that earlier, I STILL might have supported someone else initially, but I for sure would have been quicker to recognize Trump's merits in this race.

Yes; Trump has merits.  He has merits as a candidate, and he will have merit as President.

For one thing, he can stand on his two feet for longer than 5 minutes without assistance.  I know we've set the bar pretty low for President since Hillary's husband was in office and all of HIS fiasco's, but is "having a pulse" really all it takes?

[LilCerberus]

I really, really don't want timbo kaines for a veep.

[Allhallowsday]

the closer you get the the opioid epidemic the less stuff like political correctness and lack of decorum seem to matter

Perhaps that's why the old adage: Don't talk religion or politics.  

Here is one comment I found from Indy:

You're making an assumption - I can't STAND Beck.
Here's my logic - I neither like nor trust Trump.  He's grossly unqualified and purely IMO - mentally unstable and a borderline fascist. That being said, I'm from Texas, a state full of angry rednecks which he is going to carry hands down.  My support matters about as much as bug spit in a hurricane, so I can refuse to soil my ballot with his name and not change things down here one bit.
Then, if he loses to Hillary in the fall, I'm going to enjoy a huge I TOLD YOU SO to every single person who supported him.
If (God forbid) he wins, then I'll pray I was wrong about him while watching him prove me right.

5 million McCain voters didn't come out to vote for Romney, we were stuck with Obama for a second term. I'm not letting this bulls**t slide. People that have this thought in mind is equally responsible for the bulls**t we are stuck with. We should NEVER HAVE A 2RD TERM OBAMA! Anyway... If Hillary wins, I'm holding the Never Trumpers responsible.

And we get borderline fascist and  angry rednecks... Like I said I have doubts that his little argument with a friend for 40 years was only because his friend was being an a***ole.

Please note I ended up reading the first 40 pages to find this quote. I'm pleased with most of the stuff I said and surprised that Ulthar was against Trump at first. I sort of forgotten that. I know I was on the Trump train once Scott Walker dropped out. :)

It took you 40 pages to find that?   Not much evidence, but if intended as such, uhm, quote what I wrote that you're responding to.    

[ulthar]

Main Stream Media reporting on Hillary Clinton re: national security crimes as Secretary of State, Benghazi and now her health:



Truth wins out.

[lester1/2jr]

all hallows- my point was that trump's supporters want good jobs. the manufacturing jobs they had are now in China and have been replaced by s**tty service jobs or nothing thus the opioid epidemic. People with good jobs/ benefits can't relate.

[ulthar]

[Trevor]

[Skull]

It took you 40 pages to find that?   Not much evidence, but if intended as such, uhm, quote what I wrote that you're responding to.    

lol I was confused for a moment but I quoted the wrong replay you made...

I was responding to this:

Skull, I think you are confusing Indianasmith with RCMerchant... 

lol I was not confusing the two... :)