Who should be the next president?

[Trevor]

Wish your karma wasn't turned off, Ronnie!

BTW, Satan is real.  According to my hunting partner, I sold him my soul so that I could always find the most arrowheads.
Technically, that's not true - it's more of a lease agreement.  I get it back on Sundays so I can go to church without spontaneously combusting.

[Skull]

Indy & RC if you guys were happy with these 8 years - vote for Hillary (This isn't rocket science).

@AHD - Sorry but you said you voted for Sanders (and I really thought you were going to vote for Sanders too). Anyway, during the primary RUSH was saying that the Democrats will never allow Sanders to be President or Vice President. And I thought he was talking with a tinfoil hat - but we got the emails on wiki leaks that shows that DNC rigged the system. Sorry bud but your vote was a waste of time. I don't know about you but this don't sit well with me. I would like to see Sanders vs Trump (and even though Sanders is a Socialist he still didn't sell top secret files to other countries).

Sure you don't need to answer ulthar's questions but I don't see it as a trap because your the only admitted Sanders voter on the thread; that's why the questions was addressed to you.




Speaking of Satan (and worst) - Hillary 'secret server' did caused the death of a CIA agent. This is why she should be in Jail. 

[ulthar]

Not specifically election related, but more lying media from the NYT:

https://techcrunch.com/2013/02/14/elon-musk-lays-out-his-evidence-that-new-york-times-tesla-model-s-test-drive-was-fake/

[ulthar]

Donald Trump in a speech that sums up the philosophical differences between Left/Right (that supports the political status quo) and Alt-Right that supports Trump:

"[Hillary's] slogan is 'I'm with her.' My thinking is, 'I'm with YOU.'"

Yup. 

It really does boil down to "Who serves who?"  One set of philosophical ideologies is fundamentally Statist and that 'we support the President.'  The other is fundamentally individualistic that says "The President works for US."

And a bunch of writing from the Founding of the Country as background regarding how the nation is SUPPOSED to be "governed" is warranted.

[indianasmith]

I think Trump is for Trump and no one else.  He says what people want to hear.

[ulthar]

I think Trump is for Trump and no one else.  He says what people want to hear.

What you think does not define reality.  You are, of course, welcome to think any darn thing you choose.  That does not make it correct.

Here's a tidbit regarding why people support Trump and what he says about immigration:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-15/sweden-report-conclusions-are-frightening-amid-summer-inferno-sexual-assaults

Coming to the US if we continue down the "open borders" path.  Germany, France, Belgium, The Netherlands, the UK, Sweden...the list goes on.

If we want to prevent this type of social change in our culture, the change where sexual assaults are commonplace, we need to act NOW before the people that perpetrate this kind of crap gain critical mass like they have in Europe.

But, head in the sand makes all kinds of problems go away...right?

[indianasmith]

I am aware of what the massive influx of Muslim immigrants is doing to Europe.
Those countries have been committing cultural suicide for years.  I'm NOT IN FAVOR OF OPEN BORDERS, OK??
Nor am I in favor of bringing hundreds of thousands of Muslim immigrants who do not share the values of Western civilization into our country and letting them take over.

But I emphatically DO NOT trust this ignorant, loudmouthed, narcissistic JERK to fix any problem we have.  I see him doing  nothing but making things worse.

That doesn't mean I support Hillary Clinton, either.  It simply means I despise them both and refuse to have a hand in electing either.

Why is that simple position so hard for people to understand?????

[Skull]

I am aware of what the massive influx of Muslim immigrants is doing to Europe.
Those countries have been committing cultural suicide for years.  I'm NOT IN FAVOR OF OPEN BORDERS, OK??
Nor am I in favor of bringing hundreds of thousands of Muslim immigrants who do not share the values of Western civilization into our country and letting them take over.

And how does that make you less a racist than 99.99% of the Trump supporter?

But I emphatically DO NOT trust this ignorant, loudmouthed, narcissistic JERK to fix any problem we have.  I see him doing  nothing but making things worse.

Last I've check; Obama cannot run he's passed the torch to Hillary...

That doesn't mean I support Hillary Clinton, either.  It simply means I despise them both and refuse to have a hand in electing either.

Why is that simple position so hard for people to understand?????

lol Sorry...

The math says: Hillary or Trump has a 100% shot to be president. There is no math that Eisenstein can pulled out his ass for a 3rd party to become president. At best a 3rd party may win 30% of the vote and they are given full props when they run for president in the next election.

If you like closed borders - vote for Trump. If you like open borders - vote for Hillary. If you vote for nobody or a 3rd party the vote goes to Hillary. You can shake the numbers all you like but it won't change the fact that Trump or Hillary has a 100% shot to become president.


But if you don't vote for Trump - that's ok... but Trump losses... Sorry but if you want to look at yourself in the mirror all you have is yourself to blame for the mess we are in. Trump was never the problem! The Republicans that failed to do what they promised in 2014 created Trump.

[ulthar]

If you disagree with this immigration policy, you are for open borders AND allowing unvetted terrorists into the US:

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/08/15/trump-foreign-policy-speech/

If you agree with closing the borders until we get a handle on WHO is entering the US, you support Trump's immigration policy, and thus Trump himself.

If you like closed borders - vote for Trump. If you like open borders - vote for Hillary. If you vote for nobody or a 3rd party the vote goes to Hillary. You can shake the numbers all you like but it won't change the fact that Trump or Hillary has a 100% shot to become president.

Nail on the head.  It does not get any clearer than that.

The Republicans that failed to do what they promised in 2014 created Trump.

And thus the birth of the term "Cuckservative."  They spent far more energy appeasing the Progressives than applying Conservative ideals even when they held majority controls in the Federal government.  That is undeniable FACT.

[indianasmith]

WHEN the Republicans lose - and we WILL lose - it will not be my fault or the fault of anyone who voted for a SANE candidate.

It will be the fault of ALL of those who tried to force a giant orange-haired TURD down the throat of the American people and acted surprised when they didn't want to swallow it.


It is just this simple:  NO ONE WANTS TO VOTE FOR A JERK.   Trump is the biggest jerk on the American political scene.

Don't blame me when Hillary wins.  Look in the mirror.  There is the problem.

[Skull]

WHEN the Republicans lose - and we WILL lose - it will not be my fault or the fault of anyone who voted for a SANE candidate.

It will be the fault of ALL of those who tried to force a giant orange-haired TURD down the throat of the American people and acted surprised when they didn't want to swallow it.


It is just this simple:  NO ONE WANTS TO VOTE FOR A JERK.   Trump is the biggest jerk on the American political scene.

Don't blame me when Hillary wins.  Look in the mirror.  There is the problem.

If you want open borders vote for Hillary. If you want gun control vote for Hillary. If you like what Obama is doing... vote for Hillary.


If you don't want any of that - vote for Trump.


And if you don't vote because you think Trump is a Jerk or waste your vote on a 3rd party - YES IT IS YOUR FAULT! You deserve whatever Hillary does! (If 5 million Americans that voted for McCain turn up and voted for Romney we wouldn't be dealing with a 2nd term Obama. So yes! It would be your fault.)


I never liked Bush, McCain and Romney and I held my NOSE like a MAN and voted for what I THOUGHT was the BEST for the COUNTRY! And when Obama was re-elected, I looked in the MIRROR and saw 5 MILLION a***oleS THAT DIDN'T VOTE TO STOP OBAMA!

[AoTFan]

Politics aside, I think I agree with something Michael Savage said... this Presidential election is like a school final that we're all just REALLY wanting to be over.

[Leah]

Since it appears that a few of you "forgot" about the Green Party, here's a link so that maybe you will respect Indy's decision and personal reasoning.
http://www.gp.org/

[Skull]

Since it appears that a few of you "forgot" about the Green Party, here's a link so that maybe you will respect Indy's decision and personal reasoning.
http://www.gp.org/

sorry but Green party or any other 3rd party has no chance in beating out Hillary. The dirty secret is they are not on all the ballots.


http://www.snopes.com/green-party-state-ballots/

Although interest in Jill Stein's presidential candidacy has increased, the Green Party has not yet qualified for many states' ballots.


According to a ballot access map published on Stein's campaign site and apparently dated 2 August 2016, the candidate had qualified to appear on ballots in roughly only half the states

Sorry but Green party is a waste of vote. If the green party gets 30% (that means they would have to win most of the states they are qualified in) they will have a better standing in the next presidential election - although that means we are stuck with Hillary.

[Leah]

Sorry but you are still trying to force Indy to vote for someone he doesn't like. No matter how much you justify it, it comes off that you are being a jerk to him.