The All-Purpose Political Thread

[Alex]

Didn't someone previously prove that Reagan had been funding aids research before Hudson caught it on another thread?

[Svengoolie 3]

See "And the band played on".  The facts speak clearly despite conservative revisionism efforts.

[ER]

Didn't someone previously prove that Reagan had been funding aids research before Hudson caught it on another thread?

Yeah, I did, Alex. Despite revisionism, Reagan, who had many gay friends, was aware of AIDS and funded it more per patient than cancer, which is of course a bigger killer.

[Alex]

Yeah, as much as I don't like Reagan personally, I thought I remembered someone posting up the figures that proved he had been funding research.

[Svengoolie 3]

Reagan couldn't fund aids at all. Congress allocates funds,  congress sets the budget.  Aids research was funded by congress.  Ronnie ignored aids until president Nancy told him to talk about it.  People don't get that the president doesn't fund things,  congress does. The president can ask for funding but congress gives it.

As to funding aids more than cancer,  2 things.  1 cancer had been studied heavily for a long time,  aids was new.  Also the extent of how contagious aids might be was uncertain at the time,  studying it's transmission levels was a damn good idea.

[Alex]

So your previous assertion in another thread that Reagan reduced aids funding was wrong then?

[ER]

Reagan couldn't fund aids at all. Congress allocates funds,  congress sets the budget.  Aids research was funded by congress.  Ronnie ignored aids until president Nancy told him to talk about it.  People don't get that the president doesn't fund things,  congress does. The president can ask for funding but congress gives it.

As to funding aids more than cancer,  2 things.  1 cancer had been studied heavily for a long time,  aids was new.  Also the extent of how contagious aids might be was uncertain at the time,  studying it's transmission levels was a damn good idea.

The executive branch creates and submits budgets, Sven.

Honestly I think so many of your prejudices are just that, prejudices, unbased on fact and reality.

[Svengoolie 3]

So your previous assertion in another thread that Reagan reduced aids funding was wrong then?

no I never said Reagan cut aids fnfing,  he ignored the issue for the first few years.

[Svengoolie 3]

Reagan couldn't fund aids at all. Congress allocates funds,  congress sets the budget.  Aids research was funded by congress.  Ronnie ignored aids until president Nancy told him to talk about it.  People don't get that the president doesn't fund things,  congress does. The president can ask for funding but congress gives it.

As to funding aids more than cancer,  2 things.  1 cancer had been studied heavily for a long time,  aids was new.  Also the extent of how contagious aids might be was uncertain at the time,  studying it's transmission levels was a damn good idea.

The executive branch creates and submits budgets, Sven.

Honestly I think so many of your prejudices are just that, prejudices, unbased on fact and reality.

You Gave Reagan an A and Obama an F-.  That alone shapes my opinion of your political views.

[El Misfit]

To distract from the Reagan argument, let's have another argument: Who was the most bad ass president in history? Personally I'm going for George Washington on the basis for helping defeat the British Empire and helping cement the US.

[RCMerchant]

To distract from the Reagan argument, let's have another argument: Who was the most bad ass president in history? Personally I'm going for George Washington on the basis for helping defeat the British Empire and helping cement the US.

He was also a dick because he had a slave escape to free country, and Washington did try like hell to get her back under his heel and put her in her place.
In his own words-
from a letter to a man who was trying to get her to agree to come back-to which she said NO of course...

She wasn't even a person to Washington-just property. He wouldn't even call her by her name-she was just the Girl.

"I regret that the attempt you made to restore the Girl (Oney Judge as she called herself while with us, and who, without the least provocation absconded from her Mistress) should have been attended with so little Success. To enter into such a compromise with her, as she suggested to you, is totally inadmissible, for reasons that must strike at first view: for however well disposed I might be to a gradual abolition, or even to an entire emancipation of that description of People (if the latter was in itself practicable at this moment) it would neither be politic or just to reward unfaithfulness with a premature preference [of freedom]; and thereby discontent before hand the minds of all her fellow-servants who by their steady attachments are far more deserving than herself of favor"

Of course he was a man of his time. It was a different world. I do respect him in regards that he actually was out there with his troops and was at Valley Forge, which was hell.

Myself, I like Lincoln or FDR.

[RCMerchant]

As far as all out balls, Teddy Roosevelt is not someone I would wanna get in a fight with. He was a Rough Rider, fer crying out loud! He hunted bears for fun!

[ER]

As far as all out balls, Teddy Roosevelt is not someone I would wanna get in a fight with. He was a Rough Rider, fer crying out loud! He hunted bears for fun!

Mr. Merchant has it right. TR or Andrew Jackson are about neck in neck for badass presidents.

Wussiest? Maybe Buchanan.

[RCMerchant]

As far as all out balls, Teddy Roosevelt is not someone I would wanna get in a fight with. He was a Rough Rider, fer crying out loud! He hunted bears for fun!

Mr. Merchant has it right. TR or Andrew Jackson are about neck in neck for badass presidents.

Wussiest? Maybe Buchanan.

Jackson was most certainly a cold blooded mother f**ker. 
Buchanan? I don't know jack s**t about him.
I know that Calvin Coolidge was very low-key.
Hoover was a worthless jackass.

[lester1/2jr]

My favorite era was honestly Bush the elder. you forgot he was there and politics wasn't such a huge part of life.


His son should never have been president honestly. Every time he opened his mouth was torture. He was an idiot. Iraq is one thing but the bailouts were almost as big a scam. almost


most bad ass president hands down was Caligula