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Started by lester1/2jr, May 13, 2021, 11:24:28 PM

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Quote from: lester1/2jr on May 22, 2021, 11:24:29 PM
trying to say whether Israelis or Palestinians were there first is like trying to say whther the chicken or the egg came first. both sides are comprised of people who have roots from there and also other places.

https://aldeilis.net/english/the-founding-of-jerusalem/

Jerusalem is one of the oldest cities in the world. According to Josephus who wrote in the first century of our era, it was founded by the Canaanites. Josephus wrote:

But he who first built it [Jerusalem] was a potent man among the Canaanites, and is in our tongue called Melchisedek, The Righteous King, for such he really was; on which account he was (there) the first priest of God, and first built a temple (there), and called the city Jerusalem, which was formerly called Salem.

As Melchisedek was a contemporary of Abraham (Genesis 14:18), this would date the founding of Jerusalem in the eighteenth century BC. Hence, the city was in existence several centuries before the arrival of the Israelites in the land of Canaan. In fact, the Jewish Encyclopedia mentions that in Hebrew annals 'Jerusalem is expressly called a "foreign city" not belonging to the Israelites (Judges 19:12), and the Jebusites are said to have lived there for very many years together with the Benjarnites.

Jerusalem was inhabited by the Jebusites, a Canaanite subgroup. It was one of the oldest and most illustrious royal cities in the land of Canaan and for some 800 years it remained a Canaanite city. Around 1000 BC it was captured by David. It should be noted, however, that when David captured the city, he did not displace its original inhabitants allowing them to remain in their city, but not in the fortress.  The continued existence of the Canaanites in Jerusalem, which became the capital of the new Jewish kingdom that was established by David, is confirmed by the Bible which refers to the people whom Israel was not able to destroy and upon whom David's son, Solomon, levied a tribute of bondservice (1 Kings 9:20-1).
Judges mentions the Israelites taking over the city as well. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Judges%201%3A8&version=NIV

After Saul fell, the Israelites lost a lot of territory. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Samuel+31&version=NIV David retook the territory they lost.

lester1/2jr

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I think its fair to say Israel and the IDF won the battle militarily, but the Palestinians won the PR war.

thus, it really behooves both sides to not let things get to this point

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zelmo73

Quote from: lester1/2jr on May 24, 2021, 11:33:55 PM
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I think its fair to say Israel and the IDF won the battle militarily, but the Palestinians won the PR war.

thus, it really behooves both sides to not let things get to this point

Most people love the underdog. Hamas is crafty enough to expect this outcome.
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lester1/2jr

Hamas is a degenerate terrorist org but the only thing standing between Gaza and military occupation

zelmo73

Quote from: lester1/2jr on May 29, 2021, 11:31:17 PM
Hamas is a degenerate terrorist org but the only thing standing between Gaza and military occupation

Hamas is to Gaza what the IRA was to Northern Ireland in the 1970s.
First rule is, 'The laws of Germany'
Second rule is, 'Be nice to mommy'
Third rule is, 'Don't talk to commies'
Fourth rule is, 'Eat kosher salamis'
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The Dalai Lama walks into a pizza shop and says "Make me one with everything!"