rap is really horrible

[awesome]

i was reading the origanal rap sucks post and i think whoever posted that punk is screaming for 2 minutes and takes no talent, your an idiot, screaming matel is screaming and lets see you play guitar or bass orr drums its not easy to be a rock star dumb ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

[odinn7]

Thanks for the input.

[Master Blaster]

"screaming matel is screaming" uhhhh...... what?

[trekgeezer]

If you're going to make a counter argument about something, it should be intelligible.

As far as I know, I haven't run across any dumbasses here (at least until today).

[daveblackeye15]

(raises eyebrow Spock Style)...hmm.

[Eirik]

"i was reading the origanal rap sucks post and i think whoever posted that punk is screaming for 2 minutes and takes no talent, your an idiot, screaming matel is screaming and lets see you play guitar or bass orr drums its not easy to be a rock star dumb ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11"

En contraire, awesome.  While your argument mounts a spirited and scholarly defense of rock and brilliantly plays on the more classical Rap-denigrating rhetoric of the great early 21st Century thinkers, I detect several hairline cracks in your logic.  But before I begin my rejoinder, let me extend my personal thanks for your revival of the now-classic original "rap sucks" post.  Such masterpieces of intellectual debate are becoming all too infrequent in our contemporary electronic discourse.

Your argument begins to come apart slightly in the diction of your first, and dare I say your only sentence.  Failure to capitalize aside, you begin by stating that you "think whoever posted that punk is screaming for 2 minutes and takes no talent" but then you neglect to tell us what you think!  Instead, you divert from your first person account of your thoughts and launch into a direct address of the person in question, informing him that he is an idiot.  Your case would have been better served by describing the talents required for Punk, and perhaps pointing out that many of the more important works of Punk last considerably longer than two minutes.  Never pass up the opportunity to illuminate an opponent's poor representation of the facts!  So said Descartes.

You then digress into a rather irrelevant commentary on Metal as I do not see how, exactly, Metal plays into a discussion of the relative benefits or Rap and Punk.  If one wishes to indict the musical art forms, one had best focus his intellectual artillery on one form at a time lest his attack become confused.

You then tread on dangerous ground by challenging your opponent to demonstrate for you the skills you associate with Punk, those skills that he alleges are so mundane.  This could backfire in a number of ways.  For one, what if he or she is able to rise to your challenge?  Your face would certainly be covered with proverbial egg in such a case.  Or perhaps the person would reverse the challenge on you, forcing you into what might be a most embarassing performance.  And finally, you have failed to counter his inevitable retort: "punk sucks!!!!!!!"  Have you considered the countermeasures available against such a broadside?

Finally, while the significance of a full thirty-three exclamation marks is not lost on those of us familiar with the great works of the Greek poet Sappho, your more poorly-schooled contemporaries (and surely one who cannot appreciate Punk is poorly schooled) may not understand the clever allusion.  If he did, however, he would certainly pounce on your failure to hold down the space-bar for the final two strikes of the 1/! key on your computer.  Such minor lapses in typesmanship can cost you when facing an adversary of such formidable intellect.

Please take these meager criticisms for what they are: the humble attempts of an intellectual and cultural lesser to improve the nearly unimprovable skills of a defender of mankind's beloved Punk.

[raj]

Bravo, Eirik

[Master Blaster]

Jolly good show sir Eirik! Whithin your dicertation one is haunted by the ghost of cynicism contained whithin Niccolo Machiavelli's masterpiece "the Prince" Bequeath upon this young scoundrel a mighty thrashing for as Icarus flew too close to the sun and melted his wings of wax, so has young awesome's argument melted before the light of your mighty intellect! Apollo salute you!

[Menard]

That's more reading than awesome has probably done is his lifetime.

[AndyC]

I'm still trying to figure out where the screaming toys fit in.

Personally, I think screaming Hasbro would be more fun than screaming Mattel.

[odinn7]

Excellent work Eirik. I had to read it twice to fully appreciate it. Thanks for the laugh.

[raj]

LEEEGGGOOOOOOO!!!!!!

[dean]

And people say spirited, intelligent and informed debates are a thing of the past!

[I think one exclamation point suffices in this instance, I sure hope Sappho won't be dissapointed in me for not achieving my true exclamation point potential...]

[h.p. Love]

I grew up in the 80s listening to punk (black flag, sex pistols, misfits, exploited, descendents) and rock and thrash and hardcore. I payed my dues in a rock and punk band in the 90s playing crap dive bars. I also play piano and like old pop songs. Strauss and Stravinsky. Johnny and Willie. My first album ever was Weird Al. My first tape ever was Van Halen.

I think really good music has soul no matter what the genre. There is no genre that I do not like something from. I'm not a snob about it, some songs are catchy and serve their purpose and then thankfully disappear. The radio has always played 80% crap (I used an algorithm).  Today music is more about money and image than ever before. Almost nothing seems original. Rap about money and killin' is so 1989. So is rap about sex and thongs. Run DMC is not crap. Mos Def is not crap. I like what I've heard from the Black Eyed Peas too.

Anything labeled as punk by a major label is silly to begin with. The last really successful punk band was Nirvana and their label never even acknowledged that. This stuff on commercial radio is glorified boy bands. The Go-Go's Greatest Hits album is more punk than Green Mascara Day. Having a mohawk and tats doesn't make pre-teen pop any more punk either. When people say punk sucks, do they even know what punk is? I've been to shows in vacant buildings where a lot of things get broken. I'm not so sure I'm into that either. A little chaos doensn't hurt though.

Most people who dismiss the yelling type of music never seem to be songwriters. It's not easy writing a memorable and catchy and meaningful tune with a handful of chords and no solos. The Ramones made it look easy. A studio full of instruments and degree'd musicians can write good music. But it's like an artist with an unlimited paint selection. Hand him a box of eight crayons and see what he comes up with.

blah blah blah. Anyway, most rap and punk has no staying power. It's easy to crank out something in those styles but very little of both are truly good. How many old rap bands do you go back to? How many old punk bands do you go back to? For me it's not many.

[BeyondTheGrave]

h.p. love you bring up a good point about punk. One thing that always bothered me was this label of "pop-punk" that is used for bands like Green Day or Tsunami Bomb. I do like both those bands (Iam seeing a green day concert in sept) but I always felt it was a contradiction. I never even considerd Green Day to be punk.

Other term I hear is "Punk Revival"(Other term used for Green Day). I never considered punk to be dead, I think it will always be alive in the underground and not the mainstream. It does not need to be revived by mainstream.

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