Y'know Ulthar, I did not read all that you wrote (yet) but I must respond that I am surprised at you. You, our friend, are not "drinking" and some postings do not merit response. Go back 4 or 5 pages and you will see an example of what I assert without explaining. I believe that that old adage "Never discuss religion or politics" is true.
We are all friends.
I'm not so sure that last sentence is really true at this point. See, all that's happened in this thread is when I make a point (usually a factually based one), out comes the calvary telling me I need to back off. Sorry, but that is garbage.
The only time you come out to "call me out" is when I've called BS exactly what it is, such as Ronnie's little "Nazi" tirades.
So, yeah...the world (those that read these pages anyway) can read what's going on. I've attacked no person. I've called no one a Nazi or anything remotely like that. The Thought and Speech Police don't like it when opinions are challenged and out comes the attempts at shaming into silence.
As I said...predictable.
If you don't like what I write, ignore me, just like I do most of your comments and 99% of Ronnie's. I'll debate Lester and Indy and anyone else that cares to have a real discussion, but I'm not going to stop saying my part just
because YOU don't like it.
Back On Topic:
Hillary is done as a serious candidate, and everyone knows it. Yesterday's wikileaks leaks were, or should be at least, the nail in the coffin. Her entire political career has been one of corruption, deception and criminal acts. It has all been exposed, from Whitewater, to Benghazi, to the emails and now whatever involvement in this newest wave of scandal turns out to be.
Actually, she never should have been a serious candidate for the President of the United States in the first place while under active investigation by the FBI.
The title of this thread is "Who should be the next President?" Well, it sure as the world exists should not be Hillary Clinton. That she is/was someone's idea of "the best choice" is, quite frankly, very scary to ponder.
We can sit around gripe about "both suck" and all that, or we can face the reality that this election comes down to two electable candidates: Clinton and Trump. Whining about how we wish the world to be won't change the way it actually is. This is objective reality as it is right now: Either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump will be the next President of the United States.
On that note...I suggest reading the wikileaks leaked emails or watch Trey Gowdy question Comey on the Hillary investigation or go see the movie "Clinton Cash." And ask that conscience, "What can I live with?"