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« Reply #45 on: November 02, 2014, 03:45:20 PM »

The American TV version under the title "Grace point" is already playing on American TV, and I might watch it, when I have the time, and if I can find it on the world wide web. But, so far the changes between this American version and the British version make for a better written TV series for American TV.

Murder method
Broad church: strangling
Grace point: bludgeoning

The problem with strangling is that it immediately ruled out one very viable suspect, because their hands were too small.


Murder motive
Broad church: He wanted a "hug."
Grace point: Unknown at this time.

I still don't know why the writer for the British version gave this motive to the murderer. Unless he wanted to make the murderer a "better" person. If so, the only thing it did was create a character that was not credible, unrealistic, and ridiculous. Because we know what that type of person wants, and it is not a "hug."


Overheard conversation
Broad church: unfriendly argument with local mailman.
Grace point: friendly conversation with non-local hiker.

That argument made the mailman a  "person of interest," because the victim died less than 24 hours later. Yet when there was a conflict between what the mailman said, and the witness to the argument said, instead of taking the mailman down to the police station and getting the conflict straightened out, the mailman is allowed to walk away and even set up an alibi, true or false, with his friends for the time the victim was murdered.

Next time: changes I would have made in the original plot.
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« Reply #46 on: November 12, 2014, 03:53:30 PM »

Of course, I was not asked to adapt the script of the original British TV version for the American TV version, but if I had been . . . This is what I would have done.

(1st) If all possible keep the victim alive to the end of the show, as a missing child is always better than a dead child, and if that was not possible, then keep the child's fate secret to the beginning of the 2nd episode with the dreaded phone call coming at the end of the 1st episode. Good ending to 1st episode. Good beginning to 2nd episode. Otherwise, the child's fate is revealed too early in the 1st episode.

(2nd) Change the method of murder. The method of murder used in the British version eliminates a viable suspect, because the suspect's hands are too small to have strangled the victim.

(3rd) Some child molesters learn how to control their impulses, so when they get out of jail, they do not molest again. Thus, change who one suspect molests from girls to boys, because by molesting girls we lose a 2nd viable suspect, as most child molesters molest either boys or girls. Only the minority of child molesters molest both boys and girls.

(4th) The psychic is a needless character, as he adds nothing really to the story, but if one has a psychic in the story let him create conflict not with one of the police, as in the British version, but with the victim's parents. And to make it less of a stereotypical situation, let it be the father who believes everything the psychic says, and the mother who believes nothing that the psychic says, increasing the conflict between the victim's parents.

(5th) The policeman's failure in his last case, should have been brought up from the start of the British version, as in another British mystery, or it should have been eliminated entirely, because bringing it up, when the British version does, is not as effective as the two alternatives.

Next time: how I would have written the story
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« Reply #47 on: November 18, 2014, 04:17:11 PM »

This is how I would have written the story, but, understand, it is no more than a bare bones outline, including some information about the victim, the suspects, and how the murder scene would play out.
First up, the victim.

Age: 15
The original does this better, as the victim is only 11, and while an 11-year-old may not be as innocent as a 15-year-old, it gives the appearance of innocence, and that is what you want in a victim--innocence, but my version only works if the victim is older than the one in original.

The Good
the altar boy
the golden boy
the newspaper boy
the sea scout
the triathlete
the sea scout

Neither Bad nor Good
the bisexual

The Bad
the drug mule
the poser for nude photos
the sexual whore

The Ugly
the blackmailer
who would make a better blackmailer than someone who has secrets of their own.

The Motive
What does almost every soon to be 16-year-boy want. What but a cool car. And as his father cannot afford to buy the victim the car he wants, he is doing everything he can to get the money, so he can buy the car he wants.


Next time: the suspects




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« Reply #48 on: November 24, 2014, 05:59:28 PM »

The suspects

The homophobic, racist father, who is not a blackmail victim.

The older sister, who is a lesbian.

The older sister's half breed female lover.

The BF, who got roped into becoming a drug mule, and then was cheated out of his share of the proceeds from the drug deliveries.

The BF's physically challenged father, who is having an affair, he does not want his son nor his wife to know about.

The BF's mother, who has a sexual fondness for underage boys.

The closeted gay man, who works for the boy's father, but he needs a job, and jobs are scarce in that area.

The photographer who likes to take nude photos of underage boys for his own enjoyment.

The policewoman who turns a blind eye to the drugs that are passing through her town.

The priest who is having an affair with one of his female parishioner.

And the parolee, the local sea scout leader, who has not since transgressed, but earlier served time for sexually molesting two of the boys in his sea scout troop of which no one in town knows about.

Ten towns people. Ten towns people with secrets who are vulnerable to a boy who is desperate to get the money he needs to buy the car he wants.

Next time: the murder


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« Reply #49 on: December 02, 2014, 04:57:30 PM »

The murder scene

Where: a deserted beach

When: late at night

Why: practice for the up coming triathlon and the hand over of the blackmail money.

What: a doctored drink offered up and accepted. Then the partial paralysis and the head held under the surface of the water till the drowning. Then the body tossed into the sea with the hope that the body is never found, and, at worst, the death being put down to an accidental drowning.

Next time: what happens then?
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« Reply #50 on: December 14, 2014, 02:25:01 PM »

There's always that one clue that points to murder, when it is thought at first to be either a suicide or an accident. And here is where my ignorance shines through. As the only thing I can think of is sand being found where there should be no sand. As for the rest . . .?!

In searching the boy's bedroom, and here is where "Broad church" went wrong, and some writers will actually come out and say, as in "Broad church," the police not searching the victim's room for possible clues, is a sign of police incompetency. But, there are so many instances of police incompetency in "Broad church." But . . . ?! In searching the room they find an account book, hidden in the bed, with names, dates, and amounts. And while the names are in code, with the dates and amounts, the police then go to all the ATMs in town, and as it is a small town, there are only 2 or 3, and each ATM snaps a photo of each person making the transaction, the police now have a possible list, from the dates and amounts, of people who might have been the blackmail victims, and thus a person with a motive to commit murder. And now it is just a case of going down the list of possible suspects and eliminating those that have a rock solid, cast iron alibi for the time of the murder, till there are only 2 or 3 left for the big denouement.

Actually, the police do come up with the key, from a surprise source, to the coded names, but that is later in the story, and thus just confirms what the police already know.

Next time: final thoughts, and that's it.
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« Reply #51 on: December 20, 2014, 06:43:52 PM »

"The gift that keeps on giving."

I thought that I could wrap up in 1 post, why such a crap piece of writing such as this, would be so . . .? But, on second thought, it needs more explanation as to why it is such a piece of crap writing. In part, I think it boils down to 3 ignorance and a willing.

1. Ignorance of proper police procedure, which we will get to later.

2. Ignorance of what is better out there, and nearly everything out there is better written in some form or the other.

3. Ignorance of what constitutes good writing.

4. And a willingness to accept crap writing, which I am not willing to do in this case, as it is for me a case of expecting better.

1st about the stupidity. There is reasonable stupidity, such as one of the married suspects having an affair, and then telling the police lies about it, which is stupid but reasonable. Then there is unreasonable stupidity, as is most of the cases of stupidity in this, as there is no reason for the stupidity, except as examples of bad writing. Thus . . .

Next time: the murderer's stupidity. Who should be, besides the fact of being a murderer, one of the smartest characters, but instead, comes across, as being one of the stupidest, if not the stupidest.



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« Reply #52 on: December 29, 2014, 08:01:17 PM »

The Murderer's Stupidity

1. What the murderer wants from the victim. That is just STUPID! We know what those people want, and it is not what the murderer wants.

And if one looks at any real-life 11-year-old, one realizes what a perverted s.o.b. the murderer was, and I do not appreciate anybody trying to tell me differently, especially, when it is not true.


2. To destroy a boat, one takes it out onto the water, opens up the seacocks, and watches it sink. No fuss! No muss! No draw interest to oneself. But, the murderer does the STUPIDEST thing possible. He sets fire to it, which would draw interest to him from all over, because the worst disaster at sea is a fire, which would be seen, when he burns the boat.


3. To make it look like the victim accidentally fell to his death from the cliff's edge, the murderer places the victim's body so far from the cliff's edge, that it could not have been an accident.


4. Give victim approximately $800.00 and a new smart phone, which would only attract attention to the murderer's affair with the victim.


5. The length of time which the murderer remains in close contact with dead victim. Which only increases the chance of him being seen with the dead victim and/or him leaving trace evidence upon the victim.


6. The murderer's whole attempt to clean up the murder scene. One cannot clean up such a scene without leaving some sort of evidence behind. Indeed, if the murderer had been any less STUPID, instead of trying to clean up the scene, he'd have dirtied it up, leaving contradictory and extraneous accouterments and encumbrances behind. That could not be tied back to him. So, he'd have the police chasing their tails, trying to figure out what was and was not a clue to the murder.


7. And then the murderer did a half-ass job in trying to clean up the crime scene.


Next time: The Townspeople's Stupidity
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« Reply #53 on: January 06, 2015, 02:02:56 PM »

The Townspeople's Stupidity

1. Not recognizing the mailman who delivers mail to your place of residence and/or business.

2. The anonymous townsperson who complaining that because of the murder, no tourist would want to now visit the town. STUPID! Because it is that type of juicy murder that has just occurred, that will draw tourists to the town.

3. Buying drugs for guests staying at one's inn, when such a buy could make one lose one's liquor license..

4. Then when guests leave without taking drugs with them, returning drugs to whom one bought drugs from, instead of just destroying drugs.

5. Then the drug dealer's giving of said drugs to his girlfriend, the older sister of the murder victim, after the murder, which would make her at that time one of the few suspects in the murder, and thus bring police attention down upon her.

6. Then girlfriend's decision to keep the drugs in her bedroom, while police search for clues to her younger brother's murder, instead of just destroying the drugs, and thus causing the police to find the drugs.

Next time: Suspect stupid. Victim stupider.
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« Reply #54 on: January 20, 2015, 01:19:20 PM »

Maybe the writer has a family. Maybe there are/were children in the family. Maybe some of the children were boys, but what the writer tells me in "Broad church" is that he has no understanding of the mindset of tween boys, because the two characters in the series that are tween boys are written so stupidly. And what do I mean by stupidly. This.

The motivation for the victim turning to his murderer is STUPID! because the motivation is so weak.

The suspect destroys his computer in a place where he can be seen, which is STUPID!, instead of a place so private he cannot be discovered.

That with the equivalent of about $800.00 that he has been given by the villain, the victim is STUPID! enough--apparently--not to spend any of it on either himself or someone else.

The suspect is STUPID! enough to destroy his computer in an effort to destroy any text messages and/or phone calls received and/or sent. This after he has just taken a course in computer science, in which he did quite well, which should have dealt with the fact that a list of phone calls and/or text messages sent and/or received would be kept by his I.P. provider.

That the victim is STUPID! enough, once he breaks free of the villain to return to the villain, instead of continuing to flee from the villain, and which would be the more logical thing to do.

That when someone walks into your home unannounced, it is STUPID! not to say or do anything, but just sit there, not doing or saying anything, even if you know the uninvited visitor, as the suspect does.

When the victim is being strangled by his murderer, it is STUPID! of the victim not to fight back. This one does not even need to think about, as it is instinctive, especially when victim is not unconscious or even semi-conscious.

Next time: Other stupid acts. From other stupid people.
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« Reply #55 on: January 29, 2015, 05:43:30 PM »

Newspaper editor
It is STUPID! to possibly p**s off reporter from an out-of-town major daily, by denying the reporter the use of an empty desk in the newsroom.

Out-of-town Reporter
It is STUPID! to steal a child's stuffed toy from the memorial set up for the victim.

Father
The father of the victim's rage is STUPID! because it comes at the wrong time. If he is raging, it should come at the time, when he first learns of his son's murder at the beginning. Not at the ending, when he confronts his son's murderer in the police station jail, which is itself an act of stupidity/incompetence by the police.

Both father and mother
Not to notice that their son has a brand new smart phone, which they did not buy him, which should raise questions, but does not, who did buy it for him and why?

And not to find the equivalent of almost $800.00 that their son has stashed in his room, when they are always finding that porno magazine, one has stashed in one's room.

Next time: since we have taken up the stupidity of the town's citizens, we'll take up the incompetence of the town's police force.

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« Reply #56 on: February 08, 2015, 03:06:03 PM »

That is all for the stupid residents of Broad church. Now on to the incompetent police farce or police force of Broad church. How incompetent? Probably the most incompetent police farce or force since the one in "Plan 9 from Outer Space" from 1959. At least, there was some inadvertent humor in seeing their incompetence. The incompetence expressed by the farce or force in Broad church was just painful.

Of course, these examples of police incompetence are not unique to Broad church, but what is unique is the variety and number of examples of incompetence.

And while some of these examples may not apply to British policing, I am sure for every one that does not apply, there is one example of incompetence that I missed. Thus, the number of examples probably is about equal.

01. FAILURE to understand that most likely murderer of a family member is another member of the family.

02. FAILURE to sort out conflict between witness and suspect, but, instead, allow suspect to walk away and to set up a possible alibi with friends for the night of the murder.

03. FAILURE to search victim's room for possible clues to crime. And by search, I mean the officers involved not forensics, who did search the room. When this happened in another mystery, the writer was quick to point out this as a sign of police incompetence.

04. FAILURE to properly prioritize police duties.

05. FAILURE to do anything about the buying and selling of drugs in town, when such is brought to their attention.

To be continued . . .
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« Reply #57 on: February 14, 2015, 04:18:06 PM »

Continuing . . .

06. FAILURE to do a victimology for victim. Here again, in another mystery, when the police fail to do the same, the writer points this out as a sign of police incompetence.

07. FAILURE to properly secure possible crime scene. Thus, leaving crime scene vulnerable to contamination by weather and/or tampering by possible suspects.

08. FAILURE to properly recreate a recreation of crime.

09. FAILURE to remove oneself from murder investigation, when health problems inhibit performance of job.

10. FAILURE to remove person from murder investigation, when health problems inhibit job performance.

To be continued . . .
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« Reply #58 on: February 19, 2015, 07:36:13 PM »

Continuing . . .

11. FAILURE to properly seize and search electronic devices, effectively, of victim and suspects for clues to victim's murder.

12. FAILURE to properly listen to boss, while she is speaking. One does NOT turn your back on the boss and walk away from her, before she is finished speaking to one. You just do NOT!

13.FAILURE to speak to child suspect about crime, without another adult being present. Thus, contaminating any evidence gathered from speaking to child.

14. FAILURE to eliminate said child suspect early on, when from day one, that child would not, should not, could not be a suspect in murder, because of the way the murder was committed.

15, When mob shows up at one suspect's door, FAIURE to send police backup to break up mob.

To be continued . . .
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