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Title: Jason Goes to Hell... Masterpiece?
Post by: Quinton on February 05, 2010, 02:51:56 AM
This film is really exceptional in the Jason saga. Its definately the campiest and most intentionally hilarious. But the horror and gore scenes rank among the most memorable in the series. Jeez, starting the movie off with eating a heart on screen? Thats fantastic.

I really cherish 90s horror. Everyone was trying to add crazy backstories to horror characters. It failed with so many like Pinhead and Michael Myers. But I really dig the revelation that Jason is some universal demon. It didn't give the series anywhere else to go, but it made for a new twist in the story. But it did set up the terribly cheesy and uninspired "Freddy vs. Jason".

I understand people thinking this film just doesn't belong in the series. Its not a slasher. It barely takes place at Crystal Lake. And it focuses more on Jason's family than the killer himself. And where the f**k was Creighton Duke in the first 8 films? I don't know. But he and this film are truly awesome.
Title: Re: Jason Goes to Hell... Masterpiece?
Post by: Deathfeast on February 05, 2010, 03:20:19 AM
I like it. after part 5 you really can't take any of them too seriously because that is when he becomes like an walking dead demon.
So they can pretty much do whatever they like with it.
Jason x is pretty much B to the extreme!
Its a silly little movie but it has its moments.
Title: Re: Jason Goes to Hell... Masterpiece?
Post by: Psycho Circus on February 05, 2010, 04:34:01 AM
It's not a masterpiece that's for sure, and that's coming from a guy whose favourite entry is Jason Takes Manhattan! It's not dark enough, too goofy and far fetched even for a fictional horror franchise! When you make tons of cash and run out of ideas, you lose sight of what made something popular to being with. You lose the integrity and the originality, i.e. Friday 13th, Freddy and Metallica....
Title: Re: Jason Goes to Hell... Masterpiece?
Post by: Joe the Destroyer on February 05, 2010, 06:10:06 AM
It's a fun film, but far from a masterpiece.  I think the main thing that bugs me about it is the hyperactive music. 
Title: Re: Jason Goes to Hell... Masterpiece?
Post by: retrorussell on February 05, 2010, 06:21:13 AM
I've seen every film in the series, and I think Goes To Hell is the worst.  The idea of Jason's heart possessing someone, him having a sister we never heard of before, seeing very little of Jason overall in the movie, the goofy look of Jason, among other stupid nuances and subplots, really sunk this entry for me.  I thought The New Beginning was pretty bad, as Jason wasn't in it at all, but this one only had brutal killings to recommend it.  
My favorite, by the way, was Jason Lives.  Perfect blend of horror and humor.
Title: Re: Jason Goes to Hell... Masterpiece?
Post by: Skull on February 05, 2010, 07:29:30 AM
hehe... My wife thinks Jason is following the The Muppets... They both went to Manhattan and Space (hehe)... I'm still waiting for Muppets goes to Hell (unless its The Cheapest Muppet Movie Ever Made comming in 2010)

As for the Friday the 13th (franchise) I like first 5 eposides, the others seemed to copy the success of Dream Warriors, like most horror films in the late 1980's and early 1990's before Scream.
Title: Re: Jason Goes to Hell... Masterpiece?
Post by: Jack on February 05, 2010, 08:06:06 AM
Friday the 13th is my favorite slasher franchise, I've got most of the movies on DVD.  So one night I recorded Jason Goes to Hell, then enthusiastically settled in to watch it.  Ended up turning it off halfway through.  What is this junk with him hopping from body to body?  And this guy who shows up and knows everything about him?  This isn't a Friday the 13th movie at all.  None of these characters are likable, the plot isn't remotely interesting.  Eject.
Title: Re: Jason Goes to Hell... Masterpiece?
Post by: Skull on February 05, 2010, 09:40:09 AM
Quote from: Jack on February 05, 2010, 08:06:06 AM
Friday the 13th is my favorite slasher franchise, I've got most of the movies on DVD.  So one night I recorded Jason Goes to Hell, then enthusiastically settled in to watch it.  Ended up turning it off halfway through.  What is this junk with him hopping from body to body?  And this guy who shows up and knows everything about him?  This isn't a Friday the 13th movie at all.  None of these characters are likable, the plot isn't remotely interesting.  Eject.

hehe your so lucky... I seen it in the show and I didnt have the option to turn it off...
Title: Re: Jason Goes to Hell... Masterpiece?
Post by: akiratubo on February 05, 2010, 12:05:55 PM
I consider it to be the worst in the series.  Jason's suddenly a demon and has always been?  What the hell is up with that?  Jason's an undead, ugly guy who kills people just because.
Title: Re: Jason Goes to Hell... Masterpiece?
Post by: Skull on February 05, 2010, 01:09:20 PM
Quote from: akiratubo on February 05, 2010, 12:05:55 PM
I consider it to be the worst in the series.  Jason's suddenly a demon and has always been?  What the hell is up with that?  Jason's an undead, ugly guy who kills people just because.

wow almost correct... :)

Jason is undead and very ugly but not in that order and his motive for murder is "revenge" for his mother's death. Also (not to spoil the series but Jason didnt kill anybody in 2 Friday the 13 movies) also (not spoiling the series) Jason wasnt always 'undead' but thats when the series decided to make Jason an 'anti-hero' and started to sucked ass...

The demon background story is a weak attempt into puting Friday the 13 in to the same playing field with Elm Street...
Title: Re: Jason Goes to Hell... Masterpiece?
Post by: KYGOTC on February 05, 2010, 01:55:02 PM
When i first saw this one, i went into it expecting something truely AWXSOME. Jason in HELL! I envisioned Jason tromping along the molten rivers of fried human entrails and facing off with Satan and stuff like that, but what i got instead was......Jason Goes to Hell. The friday movie with the LEAST amount of jason on screen, aside from the first and 5th one. I hated it. But I think if I were to watch it again knowing what I was getting into, id like it.




Yea, the 90s had LOTS of really neet things, but horror movies was not one of them.
Title: Re: Jason Goes to Hell... Masterpiece?
Post by: Skull on February 05, 2010, 02:27:37 PM
Quote from: KYGOTC on February 05, 2010, 01:55:02 PM
When i first saw this one, i went into it expecting something truely AWXSOME. Jason in HELL! I envisioned Jason tromping along the molten rivers of fried human entrails and facing off with Satan and stuff like that, but what i got instead was......Jason Goes to Hell. The friday movie with the LEAST amount of jason on screen, aside from the first and 5th one. I hated it. But I think if I were to watch it again knowing what I was getting into, id like it.




Yea, the 90s had LOTS of really neet things, but horror movies was not one of them.

hehe I do like your idea of Jason in HELL... it'll be almost like Hercules in the Haunted World (1961) except instead of throwing large foam rocks, Jason could be throwing dead bodies... :)
Title: Re: Jason Goes to Hell... Masterpiece?
Post by: akiratubo on February 05, 2010, 06:53:17 PM
Quote from: Skull on February 05, 2010, 01:09:20 PMhis motive for murder is "revenge" for his mother's death

He killed one person out of revenge for his mother's death.  He killed the other people in Part 2 because they were tresspassing on his territory.  From part 3 on, there really was no other reason than "just because".  I believe he was already undead in Part 2 ... that was a hell of a wound to get up from for any mortal human being.
Title: Re: Jason Goes to Hell... Masterpiece?
Post by: Jim H on February 05, 2010, 07:30:49 PM
Quote from: akiratubo on February 05, 2010, 06:53:17 PM
Quote from: Skull on February 05, 2010, 01:09:20 PMhis motive for murder is "revenge" for his mother's death

He killed one person out of revenge for his mother's death.  He killed the other people in Part 2 because they were tresspassing on his territory.  From part 3 on, there really was no other reason than "just because".  I believe he was already undead in Part 2 ... that was a hell of a wound to get up from for any mortal human being.

He's SUPPOSED to be mortal in 2, 3 and 4.  He's just ludicrously resilient. 

His motive is essentially an attempt to imitate what his mother was doing - but gradually he expanded this into just killing anyone he saw.  It's paper thin, but in the early entries, it's there.
Title: Re: Jason Goes to Hell... Masterpiece?
Post by: KYGOTC on February 05, 2010, 07:32:27 PM
Quote from: Jim H on February 05, 2010, 07:30:49 PM

He's SUPPOSED to be mortal in 2, 3 and 4.  He's just ludicrously resilient. 

His motive is essentially an attempt to imitate what his mother was doing - but gradually he expanded this into just killing anyone he saw.  It's paper thin, but in the early entries, it's there.

well put.
Title: Re: Jason Goes to Hell... Masterpiece?
Post by: Olivia Bauer on February 05, 2010, 09:46:42 PM
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He's SUPPOSED to be mortal in 2, 3 and 4.  He's just ludicrously resilient.

His motive is essentially an attempt to imitate what his mother was doing - but gradually he expanded this into just killing anyone he saw.  It's paper thin, but in the early entries, it's there.

I originally hated Jason for an unrealistic existence. Returning to life, surviving the lake, and for some reason not coming straight back to camp after the lake incident. Then I saw goes to hell. Seeing what happens to the people he posses was intimidating. I still REALLY like Pamela Vorhees. She's everything I want in a killer (With the exception of being a senior citizen). As for my favorite... I'm not sure it counts but I LOVED Freddy Vs. Jason. Freddy while unrealistic is intimidating, which I said for Jason in hell. He's scary and shocked the crap out of me at the end of Jason Goes To Hell. I REALLY didn't expect the hand to pop-up and steal the mask, and promised a cross-over. Best thing is when Freddy and Jason fight. The fight scene are always interesting.

One thing I always like is the one or two surviving character(s). When discovering the killers weakness, they can get back at them creatively and even throw in some epic lines. My favorite line is at the end of Freddy Vs. Jason when the girl shouts Freddy's famous line "Welcome to my world, b*tch!" and caps him with Jason's machete.

Other favorites:

"Happy Fathers Day..." - Nightmare Part 5
"Freddy, Go to hell!" - Freddy Vs. Jason
"You're sh*t..." - Nightmare On Elm Street
Title: Re: Jason Goes to Hell... Masterpiece?
Post by: Olivia Bauer on February 05, 2010, 09:49:36 PM
Sorry for the spelling errors "^^
                                     
Title: Re: Jason Goes to Hell... Masterpiece?
Post by: Quinton on February 19, 2010, 02:28:52 PM
Hey y'all. I started this topic but have been away from the computer since then. When I say its a masterpiece, I DO mean masteriece of B-cinema. I think all of its over-acting, insane amounts of violence and constant joke-telling results in a Jason film seemingly handled by HG Lewis. Kind of reminds me of Frank Hennenlotter's goofy horror style. In my eyes its an amazing unintentional comedy and the most exploitation-filled Jason film next to Jason X.

Jason possessing a hulking middleaged black man who happens to be his coroner? The ridiculous inclusion of a Michael Myers-esque "voodoo family" angle? And I'm pretty sure the film was inspired by Twin Peaks with the small town mystery, colorful characters and cops sleeping with hot waitresses. I guess the main character is their poor man's Kyle McLaughlin.

I just hope people start appreciating this film as a strange detour in the Jason series. You really couldn't expect a good atypical Jason film from that time period (the early 90s).