That's the topic of my blog post today:
https://lewisliterarylair.blogspot.com/2020/07/in-defense-of-americas-founders.html
Every country has its good points and bad points. They all have bad things from their history. Celebrate the good, remember the bad if only so you can avoid repeating it.
No. You don't see statues of Hitler in Germany or Stalin in Russia. It seems like when genocide is mentioned- we point at Hitler, Stalin, Mao- etc.
But not may folks bring up the murder of the Indian Nations, or the uncounted number of slaves who died.
So why we still have statues of Robert E. Lee and Confederate flags flying over State Capitols- I don't get it. Why are exempt? We aren't the Chosen Ones! Not even according to the Bible! Chosen by who? God? God has nothing to do with this sorry sh!t.
On the other hand- I do believe the statues should be saved- In a musuem. Next to Nazi armbands and KKK hoods.
This wasn't about the Confederate memorials; that's a separate issue IMO.
It was about whether we throw out guys like Washington and Jefferson because of their ties to slavery.
Quote from: indianasmith on July 06, 2020, 03:10:51 PM
This wasn't about the Confederate memorials; that's a separate issue IMO.
It was about whether we throw out guys like Washington and Jefferson because of their ties to slavery.
If you want to start throwing out important people just because some of their actions where bad in hindsight, eventually we're going to run out of history to celebrate.
(https://pics.me.me/robert-byrd-speaking-of-tearing-down-racist-statues-here-is-19790924.png)
Quote from: zelmo73 on July 13, 2020, 09:49:21 AM
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Absolutely, Robert Byrd does not deserve to be honored anywhere. Why make it a Republican/Democrat thing, though? I hate that partisan thinking.
Quote from: Rev. Powell on July 13, 2020, 10:11:05 AM
Quote from: zelmo73 on July 13, 2020, 09:49:21 AM
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Absolutely, Robert Byrd does not deserve to be honored anywhere. Why make it a Republican/Democrat thing, though? I hate that partisan thinking.
ROBERT BYRD at least acknowledged his KKK mistake and apologized for it. Fnck him. He will always be most noted for his KKK affiliation and opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Unless you're from WV, I doubt he'll be remembered.
If we're talking
WASHINGTON or
JEFFERSON, BYRD is a poor corollary.
I agree 100%. I could give a rats ass about political parties.
I actually agree with you on this, Dumbo! I mean Zelmo!
Quote from: indianasmith on July 06, 2020, 03:10:51 PM
This wasn't about the Confederate memorials; that's a separate issue IMO.
It was about whether we throw out guys like Washington and Jefferson because of their ties to slavery.
We evolve as human beings and context shifts. If we throw out
WASHINGTON and
JEFFERSON we will have a story riddled with holes. It's not possible.
WASHINGTON gave this country it's freedom and
JEFFERSON was our single greatest spokesman.
Quote from: chainsaw midget on July 07, 2020, 11:25:07 AM
Quote from: indianasmith on July 06, 2020, 03:10:51 PM
This wasn't about the Confederate memorials; that's a separate issue IMO.
It was about whether we throw out guys like Washington and Jefferson because of their ties to slavery.
If you want to start throwing out important people just because some of their actions where bad in hindsight, eventually we're going to run out of history to celebrate.
I don't think lots of history
should be celebrated. Remembered, studied, but celebrated?
Tossing it won't make it go away. I don't think a rebel flag should be flown over a state capital- but I don't think it should be trashed either. We need to remember. If only to try to not repeat the same mistakes.
Of course that doesn't seem to work all off the time. :bluesad:
This government has done many great things. We did a lot of bad things too. It should all be remembered , the good, bad and ugly.
Quote from: RCMerchant on July 13, 2020, 11:53:06 AM
...This government has done many great things. We did a lot of bad things too. It should all be remembered , the good, bad and ugly.
I agree, except I'd say "this country"...
Quote from: Allhallowsday on July 13, 2020, 10:55:46 AMROBERT BYRD at least acknowledged his KKK mistake and apologized for it. Fnck him. He will always be most noted for his KKK affiliation and opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Unless you're from WV, I doubt he'll be remembered.
If we're talking WASHINGTON or JEFFERSON, BYRD is a poor corollary.
In today's cancel culture logic, apologies don't matter. You must have missed the disgusting eulogies granted to Robert Byrd by the likes of Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden in 2010; both of whom remain relevant today. Of course Byrd will be remembered outside of WV. Nancy Pelosi didn't include Robert Byrd's statue among the Washington DC monuments that were to be removed, did she?
Quote from: zelmo73 on July 14, 2020, 07:32:04 PM
Quote from: Allhallowsday on July 13, 2020, 10:55:46 AMROBERT BYRD at least acknowledged his KKK mistake and apologized for it. Fnck him. He will always be most noted for his KKK affiliation and opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Unless you're from WV, I doubt he'll be remembered.
If we're talking WASHINGTON or JEFFERSON, BYRD is a poor corollary.
In today's cancel culture logic, apologies don't matter. You must have missed the disgusting eulogies granted to Robert Byrd by the likes of Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden in 2010; both of whom remain relevant today. Of course Byrd will be remembered outside of WV. Nancy Pelosi didn't include Robert Byrd's statue among the Washington DC monuments that were to be removed, did she?
Sounds like politics as usual. P.A.U. Perhaps it's "woke"?
Nonetheless, I will be voting for
BIDEN a real person, flaws and all, and
HILLARY is not likeable or relevant.
Quote from: Allhallowsday on July 14, 2020, 08:20:44 PM
Nonetheless, I will be voting for BIDEN a real person, flaws and all,
Biden's got it so easy this November. Even when his senile old ass doesn't win the election, just tell him that he's the President now and that he can run the entire country from his basement, and his leg hairs will be all tickled pink about it. :cheers:
(http://thebullelephant.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Biden-basement-polls.jpeg)
The two party divide and partisan bickering aren't worth celebrating. Today's politics would make the founders more than a little sick. :bluesad: But at least we still have something to aspire to.
Quote from: zelmo73 on July 15, 2020, 02:31:56 AM
Biden's got it so easy this November. Even when his senile old ass doesn't win the election, just tell him that he's the President now and that he can run the entire country from his basement, and his leg hairs will be all tickled pink about it. :cheers:
...
BIDEN is all of 4 years older than Man-Thing and at least he can drink a glass of water with one hand.
(https://www.fijivillage.com/news_images/15849803585a0ccce366d6368737a3.jpg)
Quote from: Rev. Powell on July 15, 2020, 07:41:31 AM
The two party divide and partisan bickering aren't worth celebrating. Today's politics would make the founders more than a little sick. :bluesad: But at least we still have something to aspire to.
(https://i.imgur.com/CK47jJb.png) (https://lunapic.com)
when public monuments become old and out of date its natural to want to destroy them
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/507159-vandal-dumps-red-paint-on-black-lives-matter-mural-in-front-of
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^ Man- that's just f**king wrong. It is not old or out of date. It's happening NOW. It's not a statue of some dead f**king guy waving a Confederate flag.
Just when I thought you couldn't be more rude. :hatred:
Ya know what- :hot: :hot: :hot:!
I really am trying to go by the rules....but it's getting very difficult.
EDIT- Aw f**k it! Your an a***ole.
:bouncegiggle:
honestly though we have one of those in Boston and it just seems like a lot of yellow stuff in the street. obviously you can't read it as you drive.
better than another bus/ bike lane though.
Quote from: lester1/2jr on July 15, 2020, 11:48:04 AM
:bouncegiggle:
honestly though we have one of those in Boston and it just seems like a lot of yellow stuff in the street. obviously you can't read it as you drive.
better than another bus/ bike lane though.
Your a moron.
you're = you are
Quote from: lester1/2jr on July 15, 2020, 11:52:05 AM
you're = you are
You so smart! A guy who never uses capitals!
Your baiting people. Well, I bit because idiots like you make me sick.
THAT was worth celebrating :cheers:
Quote from: lester1/2jr on July 15, 2020, 07:56:56 PM
THAT was worth celebrating :cheers:
Aye aye, Captain Bligh! :drink:
http://youtu.be/bmSH7PZduYw (http://youtu.be/bmSH7PZduYw)
Quote from: RCMerchant on July 15, 2020, 11:07:29 PM
Quote from: lester1/2jr on July 15, 2020, 07:56:56 PM
THAT was worth celebrating :cheers:
Aye aye, Captain Bligh! :drink:
http://youtu.be/bmSH7PZduYw (http://youtu.be/bmSH7PZduYw)
Suck my... too. :bouncegiggle: I like it~ :thumbup:
Good post, indy. And, yes, it is still worth celebrating. Study history, learn from it and grow better. Be proud. Be proud. Our country has brought more happiness to more people than any other nation, and I wish amid the constant criticism of it, jealous and ungrateful people would say so.
As Bono said:
"America is an idea.... That's how we see you around the world, as one of the greatest ideas in human history."
Or as the always erudite Craig Ferguson put it:
"America is the greatest country anyone's ever thought of."
Me, I've done my best to serve this country most of my life, and I would turn around and do it again. America is a noble dream in motion.