Out of curiosity, I was wondering what the members here view as the worst films ever made? I don't mean ones that are so bad they are good, I mean ones you get absolutely no enjoyment from.
Anyway, the ones that occurred to me are:
Solaris (US remake).
Demon Cop.
Highlander 2.
The Avengers (the Uma Thurman movie, not the Marvel one).
Cool World (I thought Kim Bassinger was more attractive as a cartoon than in real life).
Raptor Ranch (I just wanted everyone involved in the film to die so it would be over).
Batman Forever.
Batman & Robin.
Aliens Vs Predator 2 (when new characters were introduced I started timing them to see how long they'd be in the movie for before dying).
Into The Woods (I fell asleep watching this in the cinema).
I may add others as I recall them.
way too many... wouldn't even know where to start
Quote from: Alex on September 07, 2021, 03:41:15 AM
Highlander 2.
this is firmly in so-bad-it's-good territory for me... some of connery's lines made me spill my tea
These are the three movies I've given the lowest possible rating on letterboxd:
War of the Planets (1977)
Monstroid (1980)
The Curse of Bigfoot (1978)
I remember almost nothing about any of them.
If my account went back longer I'd probably have more; I watched a lot of terrible movies in my 20s and 30s.
I "liked" HIGHLANDER 2 as a so-bad-it's-good movie, too.
Quote from: zombie no.one on September 07, 2021, 07:47:09 AM
way too many... wouldn't even know where to start
Quote from: Alex on September 07, 2021, 03:41:15 AM
Highlander 2.
this is firmly in so-bad-it's-good territory for me... some of connery's lines made me spill my tea
Quote from: Rev. Powell on September 07, 2021, 07:55:10 AM
I "liked" HIGHLANDER 2 as a so-bad-it's-good movie, too.
Just goes to show one man's trash is another man's treasure.
off the top of my head:
Bucky Larson (2011)
Batman and Robin (1997)
Highlander 2 (1991)
Saw 7/Saw 3d (2010)
North (1994)
The Beast of Yucca Flats (1961)
Freddy Got Fingered (2001)
Run For Your Wife (2012)
Epic Movie (2007)
I Know Who Killed Me (2007)
Disaster Movie (2008)
Alone in the Dark (2005)
Baby Geniuses (1999)
House of the Dead (2003)
Mac and Me (1988)
The Scarlett Letter (1995)
Monster A Go-Go (1965)
The Terror of Tony Town (1938)
Howard the Duck (1986)
Magnolia (1999)
Book of Shadows: Blair Witch 2 (2000)
Mortal Kombat: Annihilation (1997)
Puppet Master: The Legacy (2003)
The Disappointments Room (2016)
Doom (2005)
Street Fighter (1994)
Super Mario Brothers (1993)
Rocky 5 (1990)
Battlefield Earth (2000)
Ready to Rumble (2000)
These are some of my most hated mainstream movies (in no particular order):
* DUNE (David Lynch)
* EXORCIST II
* WIRED (the John Belushi bio)
* FEVER PITCH (the 1980s movie with Ryan O'Neal)
* REVOLUTION (with Al Pacino)
* CADDYSHACK II
* ROCKY IV (well, it's a silly-ass movie, but at least it's entertaining)
* HOWARD THE DUCK
* THE SAINT (Val Kilmer)
I'm sure I forgot a few . . .
Lost Horizon (1973)
The Shining
Ghostbusters (2016)
E T The Extraterrestrial
Von Ryan's Express
Charlie's Angels (remake)
Men In Black International
The Eagle Has Landed
Lethal Weapon 2
Cry Freedom
A Dry White Season
A World Apart
The Color Of Friendship
The Wilby Conspiracy
Alone In The Dark
Battlefield Earth
Nukie
Space Mutiny
Doom
Flight of The Phoenix (remake)
Rambo Last Blood
Murder On The Orient Express (remake)
House of The Dead
Here are some that come to mind:
Eraserhead (one of the few movies I hated enough that I shut it off before it was over)
Slumber Party Massacre
Return of the Living 4 & 5
Day of the Dead 2: Contagium (I can't believe I actually bought this piece of $hit :lookingup:)
Redneck Zombies
Night of the Living Dead: 30th Anniversary Edition (the one where John Russo added a bunch of newly recorded, pointless garbage scenes to the 1968 classic :hatred:)
The Bridges of Madison County (as Charlie said on Two and a Half Men... Even Clint Eastwood doesn't think it's a Clint Eastwood movie)
A Virgin Among The Living Dead (I think I gave up on that one before it was over, too)
The Beguiled (sorry Clint, I hated that one too)
Changeling (snooze fest with Angelina Jolie (wasn't my choice to watch it))
White Hunter Black Heart (another Clint Eastwood movie that few remember a for good reason)
The Sixth Sense
Easy Rider (overrated crap with a WTF ending)
I'm sure there would be lots of others (like the Ghostbusters remake) that would be on the list if I was forced to sit through them. There is a difference between bad and just plain $hit.
Quote from: beat_truck on September 08, 2021, 05:06:50 AM
Eraserhead (one of the few movies I hated enough that I shut it off before it was over)
Maybe my favorite movie, definitely top 10!
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SINGLE ROOM FURNISHED (1966)
2012 (2009)
ROCKY HORROR PICTURE SHOW (1975)
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Not an exhaustive list. Off the top of my head, only including movies I've seen all the way through:
UFO: Target Earth - I wanted a model space ship, but the aliens in this were energy beings, so there was no model FX.
They aka, Invasion from Inner Earth
End of the World
A few other 70's no-budget sci-fi films where characters walk around for an hour & occasionally say something the director thought was deep. I don't want to try to list them all.
Pokémon 3
Pokémon: Mewtwo Returns - These were written by the series' former head writer, Takeshi Shudo. He was getting tired of the series, & it shows.
Batman & Robin - Some cool FX, but it gave me a headache.
Space Mutiny
Alien 3
Dune
War of the Robots - I liked Cosmos: War of the Planets & Star Odyssey, but this was sloooooooow.
Quote from: Rev. Powell on September 08, 2021, 08:06:23 AM
Maybe my favorite movie, definitely top 10!
Same. My top 4 would be in no particular order: Eraserhead, Possession (1981), Videodrome and Santa Sangre.
Quote from: claws on September 08, 2021, 10:17:38 AM
Quote from: Rev. Powell on September 08, 2021, 08:06:23 AM
Maybe my favorite movie, definitely top 10!
Same. My top 4 would be in no particular order: Eraserhead, Possession (1981), Videodrome and Santa Sangre.
Damn, claws, I had no idea you were into my kind of movies. You seem to favor the really, really bad ones, but you may save those to post here specifically.
Quote from: RCMerchant on September 08, 2021, 09:31:40 AM
ROCKY HORROR PICTURE SHOW (1975)
That was banned here after
one person complained to the censor board. :buggedout:
Quote from: Trevor on September 08, 2021, 10:37:03 AM
Quote from: RCMerchant on September 08, 2021, 09:31:40 AM
ROCKY HORROR PICTURE SHOW (1975)
That was banned here after one person complained to the censor board. :buggedout:
I bet it was RC :wink:
Just off the top of my head...
Carnage (1983, Andy Milligan)
My first (and last) Milligan film. After this I resolved to avoid anything with his name on it.
Sleepaway Camp
(seriously, I have no idea why this movie is so revered among horror freaks. Aside from the what-the-f*** twist ending, it's not much more than a dollar store Friday the 13th)
Jaws: The Revenge
(the worst movie I ever paid to see in a theater!)
Quote from: claws on September 08, 2021, 10:49:44 AM
Quote from: Trevor on September 08, 2021, 10:37:03 AM
Quote from: RCMerchant on September 08, 2021, 09:31:40 AM
ROCKY HORROR PICTURE SHOW (1975)
That was banned here after one person complained to the censor board. :buggedout:
I bet it was RC :wink:
:bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle:
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on September 08, 2021, 10:53:45 AM
Sleepaway Camp
(seriously, I have no idea why this movie is so revered among horror freaks. Aside from the what-the-f*** twist ending, it's not much more than a dollar store Friday the 13th)
The ending scared the crap out of me when I first watched it in my teens. The ending still remains one of a kind.
What makes Sleepaway Camp so appealing to me is the mixture of unintentional humor, weird camp/soap drama, compelling acting from Felissa Rose (Angela), awkward acting from Desiree Gould (Aunt Martha), played-straight-but-rofl-scenes with Meg dating Mel who is at least 30 years older, fun and gory f/x, Iconic lines ("Meet me at the waterfront after the social") and Judy, my favorite slasher biatch. All this is very entertaiining for me.
Quote from: claws on September 08, 2021, 11:20:44 AM
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on September 08, 2021, 10:53:45 AM
Sleepaway Camp
(seriously, I have no idea why this movie is so revered among horror freaks. Aside from the what-the-f*** twist ending, it's not much more than a dollar store Friday the 13th)
The ending scared the crap out of me when I first watched it in my teens. The ending still remains one of a kind.
What makes Sleepaway Camp so appealing to me is the mixture of unintentional humor, weird camp/soap drama, compelling acting from Felissa Rose (Angela), awkward acting from Desiree Gould (Aunt Martha), played-straight-but-rofl-scenes with Meg dating Mel who is at least 30 years older, fun and gory f/x, Iconic lines ("Meet me at the waterfront after the social") and Judy, my favorite slasher biatch. All this is very entertaiining for me.
I love that movie. I even got Tiana to love it!
( of course she loved '80's horror movies!)
http://youtu.be/T9K2ARikYzE (http://youtu.be/T9K2ARikYzE)
I know folks knew that I was going to say STAR WARS.
And you would be right.
(https://i.imgur.com/riuAZYI.jpg) (https://lunapic.com)
Quote from: Trevor on September 07, 2021, 12:14:25 PM
Ghostbusters (2016)
is that already 5 yrs ago?
I remember clicking on the trailer on youtube every day just to watch it get to 1 million dislikes
in fact I think I might be right in saying this was the first youtube video ever to get 1M dislikes?
Quote from: zombie no.one on September 08, 2021, 12:35:22 PM
Quote from: Trevor on September 07, 2021, 12:14:25 PM
Ghostbusters (2016)
is that already 5 yrs ago?
I remember clicking on the trailer on youtube every day just to watch it get to 1 million dislikes
in fact I think I might be right in saying this was the first youtube video ever to get 1M dislikes?
For my sins, I watched 10 minutes of that on TV. I almost threw the TV out the window but I didn't because (a) it wasn't my window and (b) it wasn't my TV :buggedout:
I think it was the first YT video to get 1M dislikes. I just checked and it has 1.1 million dislikes. :buggedout:
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on September 08, 2021, 10:53:45 AM
Jaws: The Revenge
(the worst movie I ever paid to see in a theater!)
I got you beat: I paid good money to see Gymkata in a theater* :buggedout:
* I liked it, though. The theater I mean, not Gymkata :wink:
Quote from: zombie no.one on September 08, 2021, 12:35:22 PM
in fact I think I might be right in saying this was the first youtube video ever to get 1M dislikes?
I was watching a bit about dislikes on youtube the other day. What most people don't know is that dislikes are actually as good as likes. The more dislikes the more popular, more views, more traffic. It is money in the bank and a win-win for the uploader and youtube.
They say if you really want to "hurt" a video you dislike on youtube, it is best not to press dislike.
From my list in IMDb rated with 1 star, in no particular order:
A CLOCKWORK ORANGE
HOBGOBLINS
WEASELS RIP MY FLESH
MONSTER A GO-GO
JOKER
CITIZEN KANE
AFTER LAST SEASON
BIRDEMIC
Rated with 2 stars:
THE WILD WORLD OF BATWOMAN
SEVERED WAYS: THE NORSE DISCOVERY OF AMERICA
THE BIG LEBOWSKI
THE ROOM
HELLRAISER: JUDGEMENT
Quote from: Gabriel Knight on September 08, 2021, 08:02:42 PM
From my list in IMDb rated with 1 star, in no particular order:
A CLOCKWORK ORANGE
^Wow. I love that movie. :buggedout:
Thats ok. I hate STAR WARS. And all anime.
.the GREEN BERETS (1968)- in 1960 f**king 8! WTF was anyone involved thinking??? :question:
A John Wayne flag fest about Vietnam? :buggedout: In 1968??? That's insane.
http://youtu.be/b29nMZTWGzk (http://youtu.be/b29nMZTWGzk)
Holy f^ck! It's like some Gung Ho WW2 propaganda from the 1940's!
MAKE THEM DIE SLOWLY (1981 aka CANNIBAL FEROX)
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Bad in so many ways, it is a no-fun gross-out shocker... the worst film I paid money in a theater to see. Smelly garbage. :thumbdown:
Lacking any real story content, it's even worse than I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE.
Quote from: claws on September 08, 2021, 09:50:27 AM
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It's like Broadway. I don't like musicals.
Well, ROCK AND ROLL HIGH SCHOOL (1979). I love that movie.
http://youtu.be/lu_lQpnHDhQ (http://youtu.be/lu_lQpnHDhQ)
Quote from: claws on September 08, 2021, 10:17:38 AM
... My top 4 ... Videodrome ...
Interesting choice.
CRONENBERG's movies tend to stay with you...
1) Prometheus
2) Prometheus
3) Prometheus
4) anything by Larry Buchanan
5) Prometheus
Quote from: Dr. Whom on September 09, 2021, 01:04:18 AM
1) Prometheus
2) Prometheus
3) Prometheus
4) anything by Larry Buchanan
5) Prometheus
:bouncegiggle:
The Trial of Lee Harvey Oswald started off interesting, but it could not maintain that for the entire runtime.
Quote from: Trevor on September 08, 2021, 03:04:26 PM
I almost threw the TV out the window but I didn't because (a) it wasn't my window and (b) it wasn't my TV
that's not very rock'n'roll of you :tongueout:
Quote from: claws on September 08, 2021, 07:53:27 PM
I was watching a bit about dislikes on youtube the other day. What most people don't know is that dislikes are actually as good as likes. The more dislikes the more popular, more views, more traffic. It is money in the bank and a win-win for the uploader and youtube.
They say if you really want to "hurt" a video you dislike on youtube, it is best not to press dislike.
yeah, makes sense... any reaction is better than no reaction, in a lot of circumstances
* that's not a cue for everyone to negative-karma me :teddyr:
Glancing thru the lowest-rated entries on my Letterboxd account reminded me of a few more forgotten gems (and by "gems" I mean "turds")...
Tunnels aka Criminal Act - Catherine "Daisy Duke" Bach as an investigative reporter in a movie where absolutely nothing interesting happens.
Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance - makes the original G.R. movie, which was no prize, look like solid gold.
Rubber - yeah, the "killer tire" movie. I felt like I was being trolled for 90 minutes.
A Talking Cat? - a kiddie movie made by David "Creepozoids" DeCoteau. Hilarity does not ensue.
Satan's Little Helper - If memory serves, this was Jeff "Squirm" Lieberman's first movie in something like fifteen years. He should've stayed retired.
Fifty Shades of Gray - This tedious housewife porn is the least erotic "erotic thriller" I've ever seen. I've gotten a bigger charge out of a "Charmed" re-run.
The Mangler - the worst Stephen King adaptation? Possibly.
Nadja - Artsy mid '90s B&W vampire crap. Looks like one of those old Calvin Klein commercials stretched out to feature length.
I could go on, but I'll let someone else have a turn...
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on September 11, 2021, 09:04:13 AM
The Mangler - the worst Stephen King adaptation? Possibly.
Agreed: I don't know if I should tell you this but it was filmed in a Johannesburg warehouse :buggedout: :buggedout:
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on September 11, 2021, 09:04:13 AM
Glancing thru the lowest-rated entries on my Letterboxd account reminded me of a few more forgotten gems (and by "gems" I mean "turds")...
Rubber - yeah, the "killer tire" movie. I felt like I was being trolled for 90 minutes.
A Talking Cat? - a kiddie movie made by David "Creepozoids" DeCoteau. Hilarity does not ensue.
RUBBER is great! You
were being trolled. You have to enjoy it in exactly that way. It's an absurdist comedy. I think it's hilarious overall and exceptionally clever.
A TALKING CAT? is truly terrible, on another level, but it made for one of the best Rifftrax I've ever heard.
Ten lowest rated movies with less than 10,000 votes (IMDb) from my collection
1. Search for the Beast (1997)
2. Ring of Terror (1961)
3. Isis Rising: Curse of the Lady Mummy (2013)
4. Curse of the Headless Horseman (1972)
5. Space Mutiny (1988)
6. Ancient Evil: Scream of the Mummy (1999)
7. Kill the Scream Queen (2004)
8. Alien Incursion (2006)
9. Boggy Creek II: And the Legend Continues (1983)
10. The Curse of the Screaming Dead (1982)
Ten lowest rated direct-to-video releases (IMDb) from my collection
1. Hip Hop Locos (2001 Video)
2. Return of the Boogeyman (1994 Video)
3. The Bonesetter (2003 Video)
4. Abomination: The Evilmaker II (2003 Video)
5. 13 Seconds (2003 Video)
6. Mega Shark vs. Crocosaurus (2010 Video)
7. Scarecrow Slayer (2003 Video)
8. Ghost Lake (2004 Video)
9. Mega Shark vs. Giant Octopus (2009 Video)
10. 2-Headed Shark Attack (2012 Video)
Ten lowest rated made-for-TV movies (IMDb) from my collection
1. Mega Piranha (2009 TV Movie)
2. Attack of the Sabertooth (2005 TV Movie)
3. Mega Python vs. Gatoroid (2011 TV Movie)
4. Hammerhead (2005 TV Movie)
5. Dinocroc vs. Supergator (2010 TV Movie)
6. Dinoshark (2010 TV Movie)
7. Bats: Human Harvest (2007 TV Movie)
8. Lake Placid 2 (2007 TV Movie)
9. Hydra (2009 TV Movie)
10. The Hive (2008 TV Movie)
Ten lowest rated movies I own from IMDb's "Bottom 1000" list
1. House of the Dead (2003)
2. Alone in the Dark (2005)
3. Troll 2 (1990)
4. Jaws: The Revenge (1987)
5. Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Next Generation (1994)
6. Teen Wolf Too (1987)
7. Feardotcom (2002)
8. Dragon Wars: D-War (2007)
9. I Know Who Killed Me (2007)
10. S. Darko (2009)
At least there's some variety in my collection :bouncegiggle:
C Me Dance I remember in particular as being the worst movie I've ever seen.
it was clear no one involved had any idea how to write or direct a movie and it took every bad turn it possibly could. I called it a "cataclysm" and I stand by that
Quote from: lester1/2jr on September 11, 2021, 02:00:38 PM
C Me Dance I remember in particular as being the worst movie I've ever seen.
it was clear no one involved had any idea how to write or direct a movie and it took every bad turn it possibly could. I called it a "cataclysm" and I stand by that
It's very bad for sure.
Quote from: Rev. Powell on September 11, 2021, 10:47:52 AM
RUBBER is great! You were being trolled. You have to enjoy it in exactly that way. It's an absurdist comedy. I think it's hilarious overall and exceptionally clever.
I got what RUBBER was
trying to do, and I tried to treat it as a "comedy," I just didn't find it particularly funny, just irritating. :D
And as long as I'm back in this thread, here's one I forgot previously:
Meet Joe Black , with Brad Pitt.
I will never forget renting this with my then-girlfriend (now wife). After about an hour and a half I was bored out of my mind and thought to myself, "well, it's been about 90 minutes, so this should be over soon...." then I looked at the back of the VHS box and saw that the film's run time was THREE HOURS ... so there was another hour and a half to go!
At that point I understood why animals will sometimes gnaw off their own leg to escape from a trap. :D
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on September 11, 2021, 05:05:15 PM
Quote from: Rev. Powell on September 11, 2021, 10:47:52 AM
RUBBER is great! You were being trolled. You have to enjoy it in exactly that way. It's an absurdist comedy. I think it's hilarious overall and exceptionally clever.
I got what RUBBER was trying to do, and I tried to treat it as a "comedy," I just didn't find it particularly funny, just irritating. :D
And as long as I'm back in this thread, here's one I forgot previously:
Meet Joe Black , with Brad Pitt.
I will never forget renting this with my then-girlfriend (now wife). After about an hour and a half I was bored out of my mind and thought to myself, "well, it's been about 90 minutes, so this should be over soon...." then I looked at the back of the VHS box and saw that the film's run time was THREE HOURS ... so there was another hour and a half to go!
At that point I understood why animals will sometimes gnaw off their own leg to escape from a trap. :D
That's how I felt watching
Invictus and seeing how inaccurate it was :teddyr:
Regarding
Meet Joe Black, I liked the scene where Brad Pitt meets up with a patient in the hospital who knows who he really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnBupO_Kjto (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnBupO_Kjto)
Quote from: Rev. Powell on September 07, 2021, 07:55:10 AM
Monstroid (1980)
I first saw this masterpiece on Elvira Mistress of the Dark's
Elvira's Movie Macabre in the early '80s on TV. Her rip on it was hilarious! I need to get that box set of hers off of Amazon someday. I remember the movie edit being so screwed up that the opening title credits called it
Monstro, and Elvira ripped the hell out of that too! :teddyr:
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on September 11, 2021, 05:05:15 PM
...Meet Joe Black , with Brad Pitt.
I will never forget renting this with my then-girlfriend (now wife). After about an hour and a half I was bored out of my mind and thought to myself, "well, it's been about 90 minutes, so this should be over soon...." then I looked at the back of the VHS box and saw that the film's run time was THREE HOURS ... so there was another hour and a half to go!
At that point I understood why animals will sometimes gnaw off their own leg to escape from a trap. :D
I can't think of a
BRAD PITT movie I like. Now
SEVEN I like because of the box (Brad:
"What's in the bo-o-ox...? What is it...?") I especially like what's in the box. And I like
THELMA & LOUISE but fortunately PITT plays a part he perfect for (punk).
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on September 11, 2021, 09:04:13 AM
Glancing thru the lowest-rated entries on my Letterboxd account reminded me of a few more forgotten gems (and by "gems" I mean "turds")...
Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance - makes the original G.R. movie, which was no prize, look like solid gold.
Man, I watched that one recently by catching it randomly on cable. My God, what a crappy movie, barely anything happens and most of it makes no sense. And the whole Nick Cage flipping out in his bike was hilarious.
Honestly i kinda like Fear.com (2002) not a great movie by any means but that one i kinda like.
as for Satan's Little Helper (2004) i borrowed that dvd years ago from that same friend that i posted about about the 3rd From Dusk till Dawn in another thread and holy mother of god is that movie awful. i'm not talking about from dusk till dawn 3 either i haven't seen that one yet.
but Satan's Little Helper" (2004) that film that film wow is it bad it needs to be buried further that those E.T. Atari video games were buried in (1983)
i'd rather play that awful game than watch that film ever again. you can have fun with a bad game over a movie that is that bad.
I'm feeling like resurrecting this thread because it's hilarious, and also to add ENEMY to my list. Like, seriously, what the hell is that thing.
Most of the crappy movies made here in the 1980s under the apartheid government's loophole ridden subsidy scheme 😳😳
I'll jump in just 'cause a student asked me yesterday what the worst horror movie I'd ever seen was and w/ very little consideration my answer was SCHRAMM. I watched that and DER TODESKING in the same night and regretted it so much I never even bothered to check out either NEKROMANTIK. I realize that Jorg Buttgerit used to have some sort of cache w/ edgelords but I found nothing but unpleasantness and boredom in both films. Y'know what, come to think of it, I might've watched both the same night as my first viewing of SALO, and while I could eventually come around to appreciating SALO for its finer points :lookingup: there was nothing redeeming about the Buttgerits to make me go back, even 30 years later. I've seen worse, probably, but those two live pretty solidly in my all-time bottom 10.
Buttgerit has primarily made documentaries since SCHRAMM - and GOOD! :cheers: Alas he did contribute a short to GERMAN ANGST and he directed a feature in 2010 called CAPTAIN BERLIN VERSUS HITLER which I'd never heard nor read a word about until I googled him moments ago. So maybe I'm not alone in my distaste for his narrative work.
I'd add The Tall Man, very well made but [[[spoiler]]]
seemed to be making the point that working class people suck and hate their kids and the solution is to give them to rich people in big cities?
I recently tried to watch SCARY MOVIE 2 (someone on here mentioned it the other day...) and was dismayed by it. Wasn't expecting NAKED GUN levels of quickfire wholesome gags, but this was just absolutely depressing.
You know when a movie is so bad it actually makes you feel grief for humanity in general. Not seen anything that purile or low down in a while... my first and last SCARY MOVIE
Quote from: zombie no.one on August 03, 2024, 02:52:23 AMI recently tried to watch SCARY MOVIE 2 (someone on here mentioned it the other day...) and was dismayed by it. Wasn't expecting NAKED GUN levels of quickfire wholesome gags, but this was just absolutely depressing.
You know when a movie is so bad it actually makes you feel grief for humanity in general. Not seen anything that purile or low down in a while... my first and last SCARY MOVIE
Most Steven Seagal movies leave me feeling that way, but not as much as his music.
A piece of trash called SQUIRM FEST (1989) in which a naked Asian woman is forced to eat maggots and s**t, puke, then eat the maggoty s**t. I dunno who this was made to appeal to, but but I'm not one of them. I watched about 20 minutes and threw it in the garbage afterwards. Yuk!
Quote from: Alex on August 03, 2024, 04:46:40 AMQuote from: zombie no.one on August 03, 2024, 02:52:23 AMI recently tried to watch SCARY MOVIE 2 (someone on here mentioned it the other day...) and was dismayed by it. Wasn't expecting NAKED GUN levels of quickfire wholesome gags, but this was just absolutely depressing.
You know when a movie is so bad it actually makes you feel grief for humanity in general. Not seen anything that purile or low down in a while... my first and last SCARY MOVIE
Most Steven Seagal movies leave me feeling that way, but not as much as his music.
"Just goes to show one man's trash is another man's treasure." :bouncegiggle:
Quote from: zombie no.one on August 03, 2024, 02:52:23 AMI recently tried to watch SCARY MOVIE 2 (someone on here mentioned it the other day...) and was dismayed by it. Wasn't expecting NAKED GUN levels of quickfire wholesome gags, but this was just absolutely depressing.
You know when a movie is so bad it actually makes you feel grief for humanity in general. Not seen anything that purile or low down in a while... my first and last SCARY MOVIE
The first one is not bad but I think it didn't aged well, it's kinda cringe. The second is definitely awful, the only good bit is the guy's deformed hand, the rest is trash. Having said that, the third one is hilarious, give it a chance.
My two classics of horrible movies are Children Shouldn't Play with Dead Things. One of the main characters is about the most annoying prick you'll ever see in a movie, almost nothing happens until the last ten minutes, then everybody is killed. It does have a great title and some wonderfully awful 70s fashion though.
My other classic is Bloodsucking Freaks. It's Troma. It has an evil midget and a Z-grade Vincent Price wanna-be.
Two others that stand out in my mind are S.I.C.K. (Serial Insane Clown Killer). Not even the acronym works in this movie. It's about a fut guy in clown makeup. People keep finding dolls and doll parts and ... possibly something else happens. I can't remember.
Quote from: bob on September 07, 2021, 09:06:34 AMoff the top of my head:
Bucky Larson (2011)
Batman and Robin (1997)
Highlander 2 (1991)
Saw 7/Saw 3d (2010)
North (1994)
The Beast of Yucca Flats (1961)
Freddy Got Fingered (2001)
Run For Your Wife (2012)
Epic Movie (2007)
I Know Who Killed Me (2007)
Disaster Movie (2008)
Alone in the Dark (2005)
Baby Geniuses (1999)
House of the Dead (2003)
Mac and Me (1988)
The Scarlett Letter (1995)
Monster A Go-Go (1965)
The Terror of Tony Town (1938)
Howard the Duck (1986)
Magnolia (1999)
Book of Shadows: Blair Witch 2 (2000)
Mortal Kombat: Annihilation (1997)
Puppet Master: The Legacy (2003)
The Disappointments Room (2016)
Doom (2005)
Street Fighter (1994)
Super Mario Brothers (1993)
Rocky 5 (1990)
Battlefield Earth (2000)
Ready to Rumble (2000)
I got more to add to this!
Winnie-the-Pooh: Blood and Honey (2023)
Jack and Jill (2011)
Quote from: chainsaw midget on August 03, 2024, 08:30:11 AMMy two classics of horrible movies are Children Shouldn't Play with Dead Things. One of the main characters is about the most annoying prick you'll ever see in a movie, almost nothing happens until the last ten minutes, then everybody is killed. It does have a great title and some wonderfully awful 70s fashion though.
My other classic is Bloodsucking Freaks. It's Troma. It has an evil midget and a Z-grade Vincent Price wanna-be.
Two others that stand out in my mind are S.I.C.K. (Serial Insane Clown Killer). Not even the acronym works in this movie. It's about a fut guy in clown makeup. People keep finding dolls and doll parts and ... possibly something else happens. I can't remember.
I love CHILDREN SHOULDN'T PLAY WITH DEAD THINGS! I dunno, I think DON'T LOOK IN THE BASEMENT (1973) is a classic, so what do I know? :lookingup:
I'm not real wild about FOR THE LOVE OF BENJI (1977). I got told to take my 2 little brothers to see it at the Strand, and they didn't pay attention to it. I just wanted to leave, but I couldn't. I had to baby-sit my snot nosed brothers and suffer through a G-rated version of Hell.
I too love CHILDREN SHOULDN'T PLAY WITH DEAD THINGS. The male lead is obviously intended to be a toxic prick, and the actor does a great job. I also find the female lead (the male lead's foil who's constantly challenging him) to be highly appealing.
Although BLOODSUCKING FREAKS is entirely indefensible, I don't hate that one either.
The first, third, and fourth SCARY MOVIEs were all great fun once - then the jokes instantly expire after one viewing. It's true, SCARY MOVIE 2 is hard to endure even once.
Lester, you are 100% correct on all counts about THE TALL MAN. Y'know, I have that same issue w/ SAVING PRIVATE RYAN - I'm with the movie all the way until the finale, then I'm like WHAT the heck is this movie telling us, now...?!?!?! :question: :buggedout: :bluesad:
Quote from: Gabriel Knight on August 03, 2024, 07:58:15 AMThe first one is not bad but I think it didn't aged well, it's kinda cringe. The second is definitely awful, the only good bit is the guy's deformed hand, the rest is trash. Having said that, the third one is hilarious, give it a chance.
Quote from: M.10rda on August 03, 2024, 10:34:26 AMThe first, third, and fourth SCARY MOVIEs were all great fun once - then the jokes instantly expire after one viewing. It's true, SCARY MOVIE 2 is hard to endure even once.
hmm... looks like I picked the wrong week to quit watching SCARY MOVIE instalments.
I won't be actively searching them out but thanks for the tip off
Scary Movie 3 managed to be somewhat funny (at times) and is in my opinion the "best" Scary Movie sequel, though I still don't rate it very high.
1. Scary Movie 2000 (3.0) Good
2. Scary Movie 3 2003 (2.5) Flawed but Worthy
3. Scary Movie 2 2001 (2.0) Fair
4. Scary Movie 4 2006 (2.0) Fair
5. Scary Movie V 2013 (0.5) Very Poor
but then again, you prefer Exorcist II over the original so what do I know :teddyr:
Scary Movie 3 is the best of them all as far as I'm concerned 😊
Okay, I confess I cannot even recall which one is SM3 and which one is SM4. They both have Charlie Sheen and/or Craig Bierko, right? Whichever one has the WAR OF THE WORLDS riffs and Michael Madsen plays Tim Robbins is the one I enjoyed more (once). Also Leslie Nielsen is in that one, which certainly helps. I'm pretty sure I never saw SM5 and/or had no idea it existed.
Also, EXORCIST 2 is a perfectly nice film. :twirl:
Bloodsuckng Freaks is way pre TROMA, though they may have re released it
Scary Movie 3 has
(https://www.cinema.de/sites/default/files/styles/cin_landscape_510/public/sync/cms3.cinema.de/imgdb/import/dreams2/1000/960/5/1000960574.jpg?h=69947e70&itok=3xsNKsid)
and wins by default :drink:
Quote from: claws on August 04, 2024, 04:47:01 AMScary Movie 3 has
(https://www.cinema.de/sites/default/files/styles/cin_landscape_510/public/sync/cms3.cinema.de/imgdb/import/dreams2/1000/960/5/1000960574.jpg?h=69947e70&itok=3xsNKsid)
and wins by default :drink:
My fave line in that is where the alien says "If you think that's strange, you should see how we pee" 😳😂🤣
Quote from: M.10rda on August 03, 2024, 12:53:10 PMOkay, I confess I cannot even recall which one is SM3 and which one is SM4. They both have Charlie Sheen and/or Craig Bierko, right? Whichever one has the WAR OF THE WORLDS riffs and Michael Madsen plays Tim Robbins is the one I enjoyed more (once). Also Leslie Nielsen is in that one, which certainly helps. I'm pretty sure I never saw SM5 and/or had no idea it existed.
That's indeed the third one. My favorite line is definitely one from Nielsen: (https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/3a0319f1-9063-4dcc-8b51-eb8584764673)
- Family, that's just what I've been running away from.
- Well, that's because you're an idiot.
His delivery is just priceless.
Rogue with Megan Fox
Any of the recent Star Wars movies
Kong vs Godzilla
ET
Scarface 1983
Quote from: jimpickens on August 04, 2024, 03:33:50 PMET
Thank you. Someone had to say it (besides me!). :cheers:
Okay, I'm not trying to unnaturally preserve a debate which I have no real stake in, but I checked and SCARY MOVIES 3 + 4 have most of the same cast, including Nielsen, Bierko, Regina King, Anthony Anderson, probably Anna Farris (she's at least in one of 'em), etc etc etc. I just read plot synopsis of both and I swear to God they're the same movie - I mean, from reading both synopsis I only recall seeing that movie once, but it's two separate movies and I've watched each of them, I'm just incapable of distinguishing them intellectually. Perhaps that was purely as intended/by design. I think we had the same conversation about the AIRPLANEs some months ago - if you've seen one, you've basically seem 'em both, and either you remember all the classic lines from Peter Graves or all the classic lines from Shatner. :lookingup:
I didn't know Leslie Nielsen was in any of them. mind you his non NAKED GUN / AIRPLANE comedy movies tend to suck, the worst being that space themed one which was another 'dismal fall of humankind' experience
Quote from: claws on August 03, 2024, 11:59:32 AMbut then again, you prefer Exorcist II over the original so what do I know :teddyr:
...probably more than I know. :drink:
gonna give a mention to CLERKS 2. remember really liking CLERKS when it came out. it felt different, new, and fairly genuine... CLERKS 2 felt like the most cliquey, mutual-backslapping load of self satisfied mediocrity I have ever witnessed. put me in a bad mood for a couple of weeks iirc
Quote from: bob on August 03, 2024, 09:03:38 AMQuote from: bob on September 07, 2021, 09:06:34 AMoff the top of my head:
Bucky Larson (2011)
Batman and Robin (1997)
Highlander 2 (1991)
Saw 7/Saw 3d (2010)
North (1994)
The Beast of Yucca Flats (1961)
Freddy Got Fingered (2001)
Run For Your Wife (2012)
Epic Movie (2007)
I Know Who Killed Me (2007)
Disaster Movie (2008)
Alone in the Dark (2005)
Baby Geniuses (1999)
House of the Dead (2003)
Mac and Me (1988)
The Scarlett Letter (1995)
Monster A Go-Go (1965)
The Terror of Tony Town (1938)
Howard the Duck (1986)
Magnolia (1999)
Book of Shadows: Blair Witch 2 (2000)
Mortal Kombat: Annihilation (1997)
Puppet Master: The Legacy (2003)
The Disappointments Room (2016)
Doom (2005)
Street Fighter (1994)
Super Mario Brothers (1993)
Rocky 5 (1990)
Battlefield Earth (2000)
Ready to Rumble (2000)
I got more to add to this!
Winnie-the-Pooh: Blood and Honey (2023)
Jack and Jill (2011)
Forgot Halloween Resurrection (2002)
Quote from: bob on August 05, 2024, 08:24:39 AMForgot Halloween Resurrection (2002)
Oh God, that movie is sooo bad. Michael Myers being defeated by a martial arts, one-liner spewing Busta Rhymes.
thought that was a complete trainwreck on first watch ,and also boring.
for some strange reason since watching it again recently I've changed my mind and find it enjoyably crap now. watched it twice in the last 6 months. although it has no place being a HALLOWEEN movie
Quote from: Gabriel Knight on August 05, 2024, 12:36:39 PMQuote from: bob on August 05, 2024, 08:24:39 AMForgot Halloween Resurrection (2002)
Oh God, that movie is sooo bad. Michael Myers being defeated by a martial arts, one-liner spewing Busta Rhymes.
When you put it that way, it sounds like one of the more interesting installments in the franchise.
Man, when are you guys gonna talk about REALLY bad movies on this thread?
How about THE BLOOD SHED?
Or maybe NINJA BACHELOR PARTY?
Or (I still have PTSD from how awful this one was!) - FAMILY PROPERTY: BACKWOODS HILLBILLY MASSACRE
considering the rule for this thread was "movies you get no enjoyment from" here's the movies voted for in this thread which I like, either genuinely or in a So-bad-it's-good way:
HIGHLANDER 2
ROCKY 5
EXORCIST II
SLUMBER PARTY MASSACRE
EASY RIDER
SLEEPAWAY CAMP
JAWS: THE REVENGE
A CLOCKWORK ORANGE
BIRDEMIC
THE BIG LEBOWSKI
THE ROOM
CANNIBAL FEROX
I have bought all of these on dvd or bluray. (except THE ROOM which I was surprised to find out has never been distributed, when I tried to track down a copy... Now I can't remember how I managed to see the entire thing? it must've been in full on youtube at some point cause I don't do streaming)
Quote from: indianasmith on August 05, 2024, 05:40:45 PMOr maybe NINJA BACHELOR PARTY?
I love Bill Hicks and I've never even seen this. there's a few clips on one of his DVDs I've got...
Quote from: Dr. Whom on September 09, 2021, 01:04:18 AM1) Prometheus
2) Prometheus
3) Prometheus
4) anything by Larry Buchanan
5) Prometheus
😳😂🤣😀😄
Bucky Larson (2011)
Batman and Robin (1997)
Highlander 2 (1991)
Saw 7/Saw 3d (2010)
North (1994)
The Beast of Yucca Flats (1961)
Freddy Got Fingered (2001)
Run For Your Wife (2012)
Epic Movie (2007)
I Know Who Killed Me (2007)
Disaster Movie (2008)
Alone in the Dark (2005)
Baby Geniuses (1999)
House of the Dead (2003)
Mac and Me (1988)
The Scarlett Letter (1995)
Monster A Go-Go (1965)
The Terror of Tony Town (1938)
Howard the Duck (1986)
Magnolia (1999)
Book of Shadows: Blair Witch 2 (2000)
Mortal Kombat: Annihilation (1997)
Puppet Master: The Legacy (2003)
The Disappointments Room (2016)
Doom (2005)
Street Fighter (1994)
Super Mario Brothers (1993)
Rocky 5 (1990)
Battlefield Earth (2000)
Ready to Rumble (2000)
Winnie-the-Pooh: Blood and Honey (2023)
Jack and Jill (2011)
Halloween Resurrection (2002)
Corona Zombies (2020)
Caligula (1979) unrated
Quote from: zombie no.one on August 06, 2024, 01:39:50 AMconsidering the rule for this thread was "movies you get no enjoyment from" here's the movies voted for in this thread which I like, either genuinely or in a So-bad-it's-good way:
HIGHLANDER 2
ROCKY 5
EXORCIST II
SLUMBER PARTY MASSACRE
EASY RIDER
SLEEPAWAY CAMP
JAWS: THE REVENGE
A CLOCKWORK ORANGE
BIRDEMIC
THE BIG LEBOWSKI
THE ROOM
CANNIBAL FEROX
I have bought all of these on dvd or bluray. (except THE ROOM which I was surprised to find out has never been distributed, when I tried to track down a copy... Now I can't remember how I managed to see the entire thing? it must've been in full on youtube at some point cause I don't do streaming)
Quote from: indianasmith on August 05, 2024, 05:40:45 PMOr maybe NINJA BACHELOR PARTY?
I love Bill Hicks and I've never even seen this. there's a few clips on one of his DVDs I've got...
I believe it is free on YouTube.
It's so bad that it is almost majestic in its awfulness.
Almost.
Not one I've seen myself, but I am surprised that Boxing Helena hasn't appeared at some point.
wait why is ET bad?
Quote from: lester1/2jr on August 08, 2024, 12:27:08 AMwhy is ET bad?
because he's got little legs.
no, hang on....
Quote from: indianasmith on August 07, 2024, 05:18:45 PMI believe it is free on YouTube.
It's so bad that it is almost majestic in its awfulness.
Almost.
yes it's on YT... just watched the first 10 mins. like how almost everyone sounds dubbed by Hicks voice :smile:
I only watched ET once, in the theater @ age 5. After a gripping first 15 minutes that seemed like an awesome horror movie, I was truly horrified and outraged to have to endure 90 minutes of cutesy comedy w/ these dumb kids having chuckles w/ this grotesque-looking mutant creep that was probably poisoning them w/ interstellar radiation. I WAS briefly relieved when the military came and apprehended the xenomorph, but then those rat fink kids release it and ride bikes past the moon and UGH. :hatred: Maybe the first movie I actively hated as a kid. F-ing Spielberg at his Spielbergiest.
I much prefer MAC AND ME!
Also BOXING HELENA isn't all that bad... it is boring and disappointing, but not truly bad. Better than ET, surely.
Quote from: M.10rda on August 09, 2024, 06:21:57 AMMaybe the first movie I actively hated as a kid. F-ing Spielberg at his Spielbergiest.
interesting sub-plot to the thread... 'what was the first movie you ever remember not liking'?
having said that I don't actually know what mine would be, haha...
I do remember a friend at primary school saying there was a new film coming out called 'MASSACRED', which sounded totally awesome to the 10 yr old me... cue disappointment when I found out it turned out to be romantic 'thriller' MASQUERADE.
While we're on the topic, 12yo-ish me didn't like MASQUERADE starring Rob Lowe, either. :)
even if it was great I'd still have an irrational grudge against it for not being an ultraviolent slashfest :teddyr:
Are we talking bad movies that we actually kind of enjoy despite their low quality or films we just outright despise?
Because those are two very different lists for me
Quote from: RipleyJSmith on August 10, 2024, 03:53:16 PMAre we talking bad movies that we actually kind of enjoy despite their low quality or films we just outright despise?
Because those are two very different lists for me
welcome to the board :thumbup:
as Alex stated at the start of the thread:
QuoteI don't mean ones that are so bad they are good, I mean ones you get absolutely no enjoyment from.
Quote from: zombie no.one on August 10, 2024, 05:08:14 PMQuote from: RipleyJSmith on August 10, 2024, 03:53:16 PMAre we talking bad movies that we actually kind of enjoy despite their low quality or films we just outright despise?
Because those are two very different lists for me
welcome to the board :thumbup:
as Alex stated at the start of the thread:
QuoteI don't mean ones that are so bad they are good, I mean ones you get absolutely no enjoyment from.
Duly noted.
If that's the case then here are mine....
Flicka
Bridge to Terabithia (both versions)
Twilight
Bigfoot or Bust
Old-Fashioned
Alien Resurrection
The Avengers (2012)
World War Z
Black Panther
The Hunger Games
Excalibur
^ I've managed to avoid seeing all those (so far) :smile:
Quote from: RipleyJSmith on August 10, 2024, 06:28:23 PMQuote from: zombie no.one on August 10, 2024, 05:08:14 PMQuote from: RipleyJSmith on August 10, 2024, 03:53:16 PMAre we talking bad movies that we actually kind of enjoy despite their low quality or films we just outright despise?
Because those are two very different lists for me
welcome to the board :thumbup:
as Alex stated at the start of the thread:
QuoteI don't mean ones that are so bad they are good, I mean ones you get absolutely no enjoyment from.
Duly noted.
If that's the case then here are mine....
Flicka
Bridge to Terabithia (both versions)
Twilight
Bigfoot or Bust
Old-Fashioned
Alien Resurrection
The Avengers (2012)
World War Z
Black Panther
The Hunger Games
Excalibur
I can understand not liking almost all the ones on that list (with the exception of Excalibur) even if I don't agree with them all. Welcome to the forum and may you find many bad movies that you do enjoy here. Just out of curiosity, what is it you don't like about Excalibur?
Quote from: RipleyJSmith on August 10, 2024, 03:53:16 PMAre we talking bad movies that we actually kind of enjoy despite their low quality or films we just outright despise?
Because those are two very different lists for me
my list consists of movies that I loathe
Quote from: Alex on August 11, 2024, 06:09:26 AMQuote from: RipleyJSmith on August 10, 2024, 06:28:23 PMQuote from: zombie no.one on August 10, 2024, 05:08:14 PMQuote from: RipleyJSmith on August 10, 2024, 03:53:16 PMAre we talking bad movies that we actually kind of enjoy despite their low quality or films we just outright despise?
Because those are two very different lists for me
welcome to the board :thumbup:
as Alex stated at the start of the thread:
QuoteI don't mean ones that are so bad they are good, I mean ones you get absolutely no enjoyment from.
Duly noted.
If that's the case then here are mine....
Flicka
Bridge to Terabithia (both versions)
Twilight
Bigfoot or Bust
Old-Fashioned
Alien Resurrection
The Avengers (2012)
World War Z
Black Panther
The Hunger Games
Excalibur
I can understand not liking almost all the ones on that list (with the exception of Excalibur) even if I don't agree with them all. Welcome to the forum and may you find many bad movies that you do enjoy here. Just out of curiosity, what is it you don't like about Excalibur?
There are some interesting choices on that list and I'm eager to read Ripley's rationale. (Welcome, Ripley.) EXCALIBUR is one, however, that didn't throw me... Boorman's films all go their own distinct ways and thus aren't perhaps all for universal tastes. I loooooooved EXCALIBUR as a kid, then watched it in my mid-to-late 20s and was... disappointed? But I've been thinking I need to revisit it again. There's a lot of movie there.
Quote from: Alex on August 11, 2024, 06:09:26 AMQuote from: RipleyJSmith on August 10, 2024, 06:28:23 PMQuote from: zombie no.one on August 10, 2024, 05:08:14 PMQuote from: RipleyJSmith on August 10, 2024, 03:53:16 PMAre we talking bad movies that we actually kind of enjoy despite their low quality or films we just outright despise?
Because those are two very different lists for me
welcome to the board :thumbup:
as Alex stated at the start of the thread:
QuoteI don't mean ones that are so bad they are good, I mean ones you get absolutely no enjoyment from.
Duly noted.
If that's the case then here are mine....
Flicka
Bridge to Terabithia (both versions)
Twilight
Bigfoot or Bust
Old-Fashioned
Alien Resurrection
The Avengers (2012)
World War Z
Black Panther
The Hunger Games
Excalibur
I can understand not liking almost all the ones on that list (with the exception of Excalibur) even if I don't agree with them all. Welcome to the forum and may you find many bad movies that you do enjoy here. Just out of curiosity, what is it you don't like about Excalibur?
I really don't care for Arthurian stuff in general (the two major exceptions being Lancelot Du Lac and thanks to childhood nostalgia, Monty Python and The Holy Grail) and there's just something about Excalibur in particular that is particularly off-putting to me.
It's hard to explain
Quote from: RipleyJSmith on August 11, 2024, 11:56:50 AMQuote from: Alex on August 11, 2024, 06:09:26 AMQuote from: RipleyJSmith on August 10, 2024, 06:28:23 PMQuote from: zombie no.one on August 10, 2024, 05:08:14 PMQuote from: RipleyJSmith on August 10, 2024, 03:53:16 PMAre we talking bad movies that we actually kind of enjoy despite their low quality or films we just outright despise?
Because those are two very different lists for me
welcome to the board :thumbup:
as Alex stated at the start of the thread:
QuoteI don't mean ones that are so bad they are good, I mean ones you get absolutely no enjoyment from.
Duly noted.
If that's the case then here are mine....
Flicka
Bridge to Terabithia (both versions)
Twilight
Bigfoot or Bust
Old-Fashioned
Alien Resurrection
The Avengers (2012)
World War Z
Black Panther
The Hunger Games
Excalibur
I can understand not liking almost all the ones on that list (with the exception of Excalibur) even if I don't agree with them all. Welcome to the forum and may you find many bad movies that you do enjoy here. Just out of curiosity, what is it you don't like about Excalibur?
I really don't care for Arthurian stuff in general (the two major exceptions being Lancelot Du Lac and thanks to childhood nostalgia, Monty Python and The Holy Grail) and there's just something about Excalibur in particular that is particularly off-putting to me.
It's hard to explain
Fair enough.