Watched the trailer for the upcoming series. Any Neil Gaiman fans looking forward/dreading this?
I've only seen the first trailer; it seems to follow the graphic novel pretty closely.
I'm anxious to see how it looks.
I've been burned so often in recent years by shows I looked forward to that I may not even check this out at all. I have the source material which is near-perfection. The Sandman series is simply storytelling for its own sake, no agenda, no heavy-handed attempt at shoving out lessons, just a great, great work of literature and visual art that has few equals. So....in answer, I am not dreading it or anticipating it, just ignoring it. (But all that said, I would love to love it if it did turn out to be good.)
Quote from: ER on May 26, 2022, 12:25:33 PM
I've been burned so often in recent years by shows I looked forward to that I may not even check this out at all. I have the source material which is near-perfection. The Sandman series is simply storytelling for its own sake, no agenda, no heavy-handed attempt at shoving out lessons, just a great, great work of literature and visual art that has few equals. So....in answer, I am not dreading it or anticipating it, just ignoring it. (But all that said, I would love to love it if it did turn out to be good.)
I somehow don't think you will be able to resist watching . . .
I heard they'd released a trailer with footage of Lucifer, but not been able to find it. The other trailer that I have seen looked good and Neil Gaiman does seem to be involved in the making of the show.
The latest teaser cemented my worst fears about what's been done to the greatest graphic novel series of all time. Not going to watch it, and I have to add I have lost faith in the ability of the entertainment industry to render quality, agenda-free storytelling these days.
We live in the age of quantity. We live in the age of moralizing. We live in shallow times.
I saw one trailer last month. I don't like how they made Morpheus look angry when he broke free of his magical prison. It was out of character for him. That alone has put me off.
That and Neil Gaiman openly expressing writing the TV production to appease the "woke" mob also put me off
I'm not particularly interested in this series, but I found this interesting.
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I am going to watch it, but I have a number of other things that get priority, like Prey and getting round to Stranger Things.
I watched the first two episodes tonight. Yes, it does depart from the canon in terms of plot, but I think the casting is brilliant, for the most part, and the plot is well constructed. I'm curious to see how the story unfolds.
In short - my opinion, it's DIFFERENT from the graphic novels in some key ways, but it's not bad.
Quote from: ER on June 10, 2022, 12:56:42 PM
The latest teaser cemented my worst fears about what's been done to the greatest graphic novel series of all time. Not going to watch it, and I have to add I have lost faith in the ability of the entertainment industry to render quality, agenda-free storytelling these days.
Maybe they should have had Melendez Films handle the adaptation.
(https://i.imgur.com/KPx6Q.jpg)
Through two episodes I haven't discovered the "woke" content yet. A Facebook guy from Brazil told me that the problem was half the characters were gay, but since there's only been one gay couple so far they are really going to have to pump up the gayness through the remaining episodes to get to that 50% ratio.
I also don't see why the source material is so beloved. It's decent fantasy so far, but there's no special magic to it, so I'm guessing something is not translating.
Quote from: Rev. Powell on August 21, 2022, 08:51:59 AM
Through two episodes I haven't discovered the "woke" content yet. A Facebook guy from Brazil told me that the problem was half the characters were gay, but since there's only been one gay couple so far they are really going to have to pump up the gayness through the remaining episodes to get to that 50% ratio.
I also don't see why the source material is so beloved. It's decent fantasy so far, but there's no special magic to it, so I'm guessing something is not translating.
I know I saw a lot of complaints about Death being played by a black woman. I wasn't paying too much attention to the complaints though so I am not sure what else they were up in arms about.
I only have a couple of Sandman graphic novels, although I find them deeply enjoyable. I just finished watching the episode based on his conversations with Death in the park, and with the man whom Death made immortal, and I love the way those stories were adapted. They have captured the sense of the graphic novels and manage to create some genuine emotion. I'm not emotionally invested in the accurate retelling of the graphic novels, so seeing it all unfold is a very pleasant experience. Looking forward to seeing how they handle the story of the Corinthian.
I've watched the entire first season and am re-watching it this week. It's a beautiful, well-done adaptation.
The blowback over Death's depiction, I think, is due to the fact that she and Dream look much alike in the graphic novels - almost like twins.
But the complaints dropped sharply after the episode aired, because the actress played the character so well the lack of physical resemblance ceased to matter. Overall, I've enjoyed it the most of any of the big fantasy series releases this year.
I watched a couple more episode and there are indeed a disproportionate number of gay characters. Doesn't really bother me, though.
On the other hand, I watched through episode 5 and it hasn't really grabbed me. Never read the comics. I generally like Gaiman's other stuff, but this feels sort of generic much of the time. "Sandman" doesn't hold a candle to "Good Omens" so far.
Oddly enough I watched this. Even more strangely liked it. Good thing I never read the graphic first or i'd have quit when I saw the huge number of blackface cases. Read the graphic later, was really P. O.ed at how many characters were blackfaced. Yes, it's like 'whitewashing' characters.
Found it quite enjoyable and entertaining, and one moment it in triggered an incredible mental and physical reaction in me like almost nothing I'd ever experienced before. I had a moment of emotional joy that was utterly foreign to me, along with a physical sensation that was like my heart was literally bursting with what I think was joy.
It was an incredibly strange event. I've never had any reaction to a tv show quite like it. I was shocked at it and the strength of it.
But all in all I liked the show, ecxept I want to kick whoever turned Lucifer into a 50 something blonde British housewife in his jewels.
That would be a guy called Neil Gaiman. He does seem quite happy to engage with people who aren't happy with the casting decisions though.
Quote from: Morpheus, the unwoke. on October 09, 2022, 01:45:00 PM
Oddly enough I watched this. Even more strangely liked it. Good thing I never read the graphic first or i'd have quit when I saw the huge number of blackface cases. Read the graphic later, was really P. O.ed at how many characters were blackfaced. Yes, it's like 'whitewashing' characters.
Found it quite enjoyable and entertaining, and one moment it in triggered an incredible mental and physical reaction in me like almost nothing I'd ever experienced before. I had a moment of emotional joy that was utterly foreign to me, along with a physical sensation that was like my heart was literally bursting with what I think was joy.
It was an incredibly strange event. I've never had any reaction to a tv show quite like it. I was shocked at it and the strength of it.
But all in all I liked the show, ecxept I want to kick whoever turned Lucifer into a 50 something blonde British housewife in his jewels.
What an all-around great post! :thumbup: :thumbup:
PS: So many of us who
wanted to have Gaiman's babies loved Gaiman in the '90s have concluded he has been brainwashed by Amanda Palmer and can only hope for a successful deprogramming one day.
OK, I finished it, and the verdict is: mixed but good. I liked the second half better than the first half.
Enjoyed the opening premise but wished they had explored what happened in a world where no one dreamed for 100 years more. That said, the events of the first half did set up a lot of plot points in the second half.
Wasn't crazy about the first "gotta collect the three quest items" plotline, though the climax with David Thewlis in the diner was good.
Generally enjoyed the Corinthian arc.
My favorites were the standalone episodes, though: the immortal man, and the finale with the dream of the cat (amazing!) and the muse.
Had no problem with the casting. All in all it started a bit slow but won me over, and I would be down for season 2.
There were three series I was really looking forward to this fall: SANDMAN, HOUSE OF THE DRAGON, and RINGS OF POWER.
My rating for the three:
HOUSE OF THE DRAGON - A+
THE SANDMAN - A-
RINGS OF POWER - C
Quote from: Rev. Powell on October 16, 2022, 08:48:20 AM
OK, I finished it, and the verdict is: mixed but good. I liked the second half better than the first half.
Enjoyed the opening premise but wished they had explored what happened in a world where no one dreamed for 100 years more. That said, the events of the first half did set up a lot of plot points in the second half.
Wasn't crazy about the first "gotta collect the three quest items" plotline, though the climax with David Thewlis in the diner was good.
Generally enjoyed the Corinthian arc.
My favorites were the standalone episodes, though: the immortal man, and the finale with the dream of the cat (amazing!) and the muse.
Had no problem with the casting. All in all it started a bit slow but won me over, and I would be down for season 2.
The serial killer convention had me ROTFLMAO. :bouncegiggle:
Seriously I have attendeded a xxxxton of SF conventions and tbh it really captured the spirit of them, just with the murder part added.
Finally watched it; finished it. Good visuals, poor casting choices, enjoyable moments contrasting with unforgivable deviations from near-perfect source material. The charisma of the young actress who played Rose Walker let her steal every scene she was in, though like most of the cast, she was misplaced in the role. Elevating the Corinthian (extremely well acted, credit there) to a major character was a decision that actually worked. For the strengths it showed when it was in top form I'd grade the series a B-, but just barely, since it frustrated me as much as it entertained, and never did find the delightful tone of the graphic novels. Still, here's to season two: glad it's coming.