Hamas TV Kills Off Mickey Mouse Double

[Raffine]

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=267405&GT1=7703

I first saw 'Farfour the Mouse' on The Daily Show.
At first I thought it was a joke.
Turns out - not so much.

The message to the world could very well be:  Don't mess with a Disney copyrighted character.


                                                        MORTIMER MOUSE! NOOOOO!

[Andrew]

At this point, I have no idea what will fix the social system in Palestine.  They appear to be completely screwed up and I now have a difficult time refuting what I had heard from a number of Israeli soldiers over the years.  We get some of their IDF NCOs and senior leaders at the USMC career schools.  They have told me that the Palestinians are so bent on religious war that they pursue it as an end to itself.  Teachers give classes about killing Israelis instead of math, that sort of thing.  I did not completely believe them and was always up for a talk over the issues and problems.  Now, with the IDF pulled out, the religious factions seem to be intent on killing each other.  I think that those people are so intent on death and war that it has become their focus.

This may be an extreme case that is getting a lot of press, but the core issue is that there seems to have been popular support from the population for the show.  The ending story is nothing short of insane as well.

[CheezeFlixz]

When I was in the Marines I was stationed in Lebanon and Israel for about 4 years and even being in that area as long as I was I understood the whole thing about as well as I did before I arrived. The entire area is hell bent on destroying each other and I personally don't think there will ever be anything close to peace over there.

[Scott]

This may be an extreme case that is getting a lot of press, but the core issue is that there seems to have been popular support from the population for the show.  The ending story is nothing short of insane as well.

This stuff has been show on their television for a long while now with children dressing up as suicide bombers and teachers teaching them to hate Jews. The Western world just chooses not to think about it. Only one can survive. There has never been any peace treaty in the whole world that has been kept. One or the other will disappear in this case. The sickness is just to deep. Playing policeman in the region won't work. One must be vanquished.

[Allhallowsday]

Appalling, sad, sickening, and frightening.  Traumatize children so they learn the lesson of hatred.     

[lester1/2jr]

I support palestine.  The israelis stole the land.  it's a crazy region,  most of it thrid world in nature.  if the israelis don't like the nieghborhood they're free to leave.  and i really wish we would stop giving them weapons.  You know mohammed atta wrote his last will and testament the night of israels massacre at Qana in 96?  Who knows what the one last summer will inspire.    lucky for us we have two massive unguarded borders!

[CheezeFlixz]

I support palestine.  The israelis stole the land.  it's a crazy region,  most of it thrid world in nature.  if the israelis don't like the nieghborhood they're free to leave.  and i really wish we would stop giving them weapons.  You know mohammed atta wrote his last will and testament the night of israels massacre at Qana in 96?  Who knows what the one last summer will inspire.    lucky for us we have two massive unguarded borders!

You really need to read up on your history ...

Jewish presents in the modern day Israel date back to nearly 600BCE, is you recall this guy named Jesus was a Jew. While the area has been in flux for nearly 3000 years, following the British mandate of Palestine the UN sliced and diced up Palestine into 2 states in 1947, hardly a reason to say it was stolen as the area was partitioned under UN181 and 33 member state voted for it, 13 against which was mainly an alignment of Arab states and 10 abstaining. How is that stealing? If feel sure you have you mind set in stone so I won't bore you with the rest of history. 

[indianasmith]

The area of the Middle East controlled by Muslims could be compared to a football field.  The area controlled by Israel would be a postage stamp in one corner of the football field.  Why can't we let the Jews have their "stamp" - which, incidentally, is the place where their culture and faith was born, and (if you believe there is any truth at all to Scripture), the place promised them by God?  Certianly they have done more to develop that region, and make the desert bloom, in 60 years than the Arabs did in the entire 1400 years they lived there.

As far as the Palestinians go, there has never been a Palestinian state in the entire history of the world.  The "Palestinian" people (mostly Bedouin Arabs) have done NOTHING to show they deserve a state of their own, or are capable of governing one if they got it.  Their entire philosophy seems to be based on killing Jews.  For the life of me I can't understand why we are so eager to accomodate these people who danced in the streets when they saw the news of 9/11 . . . .

[Allhallowsday]

Much of the strife is due to the fact that Israel happens to contain Jerusalem, a city important to what have come to be called the "world's three great religions."  I'm not sure that all of the commentary is fair or accurate, as the Muslims were much more tolerant of Christians and Jews for centuries than Christians ever were of Jews or Muslims.  I despise any philosophy of hatred, but it is a mistake to overlook Middle Eastern culture and tolerance for many centuries when the West was not. . .  we should not overlook any people's humanity and how much we are all alike and not really all that different.  Human stupidity is what drives acts of violence. 

[dean]

I got in a 'debate' with a friend of mine who is deep in politics, mainly of the socialist variety, over his 'Israelis are terrorists' badge.  Basically we argued about the worth of either side, and whilst he gave me some good examples of where Israel has gone wrong, I think I managed to convince him that that doesn't excuse the wrong done by Palestinian violence etc.  Basically there is no innocent side really, but I'm of the open-minded variety of accepting both views and would very much like to slap them both and say 'let it go'.  At least Israel, on the outside at least, appears to be doing more to try and move on, even if it doesn't usually work.  I'll give them that much.

The world's a messy place, and this is one example of a hate-fueled culture that just burns too easily on its own.  I quite frankly am that jaded that I know it won't be solved in my lifetime, and that a massive effort in re-educating the youth over there is the only way to realistically solve it [basically wait for the old ways to die out and newer better ways to surface.]

This, of course, won't happen anyways, but I can dream...  Don't even get me started on how religion is being used in this context either.  Meh...

[CheezeFlixz]

The problem will never be solved as long as you have people (and I use the term loosely) running around killing children TV icons and blaming it on some other group. Just to set the seed in the mind of the kids that these people are bad ....

Who's really bad the people they don't like or....
The people brainwashing the kids with this kinda crap?
Strapping bombs on kids and telling them it's ok.

Like I said I lived there and no one is without fault, but the PLO, Hamas, Hezzballah and those like them will never go for peace, never they don't want it.

[indianasmith]

You said it!  The "glorious struggle" is their only reason for existence; it's how they hold onto their power,  and they will never give it up.  Muslims in the surrounding nations will never LET them give it up, either - as long as they can keep their citizen's rage focused on the Israelis, those citizens forget how corrupt and oppressive their leaders are.  The Israelis, of course, aren't completely blameless - hate begets hate, and no one can be the focus of that much hate, rage, and violence without eventually returning it.  But the Israelis don't want to conquer the Arab world - they just want to be left alone.  But most Middle Eastern Muslims will never be content until Israel is destroyed.

It is true that in the days of the Sultans, Islam could be and frequently was a tolerant system - especially compared to repressive, Catholic Europe, whose theology bore about as much resemblance to the New Testament's as a cabbage does to a donkey.  However, violence is intrinsic to Islam, if you read the Koran.  Muhammad was repeatedly ordered to make war on all unbelievers, even the "people of the book" (Jews and Christians).  Islam was born in violence, spread by violence, and fosters violence and hatred to this day.  The urbane, intellectual, and tolerant Islam of the Ottoman Empire frankly bore less resemblance to many of the teachings of Muhammad than the radical hate-spewing Wahabis of Saudi Arabia do.
   That being said, Christianity - or at least, the "Christian" church - has been responsible for horrible atrocities throughout its history.  But this violence is extrinsic - there is nothing in the New Testament that justifies, encourages, or tolerates violence by believers against unbelievers.  A Christian who kills in the name of his faith does so in violation of everything Christ taught.  I don't know why the church historically has had such a hard time grasping that.

[lester1/2jr]

cheezeflix=  this   is the best history i personally know of. 


as mr Cattan indicates, the area was largely arab for 18 centuries till zionism started ahppening.  essentially , we punished palestinians for the crimes of european anti semetic society.  it makes no sense.

There have always been jews in palestine but it was onlyduring the last century after the balfour declaration that the ethnicity of the area changed dramatically.   There are many israelis from say Russia or ethiopia, who are not descended from the original jews.  the russians conveted around the time of Charlemagne.  They have no sort of genetic connection to the area whatsoever.


      I just think the law of the jungle should prevail.  Israel defended themselves just fine 1948-67.  It wasn't till the weasels in the beltway decided to give them billions every year , which led to us giving the egyptians, saudis and pakistanis and everyone else billions a year that all this stuff started.

    it's not just israel.  it's NATO, SOuth Korea.  the cold war is over.  motherf**kers should defend themselves.  We have way to many ways for terrorists to get to us. 

[CheezeFlixz]

cheezeflix=  this   is the best history i personally know of. 


as mr Cattan indicates, the area was largely arab for 18 centuries till zionism started ahppening.  essentially , we punished palestinians for the crimes of european anti semetic society.  it makes no sense.

There have always been jews in palestine but it was onlyduring the last century after the balfour declaration that the ethnicity of the area changed dramatically.   There are many israelis from say Russia or ethiopia, who are not descended from the original jews.  the russians conveted around the time of Charlemagne.  They have no sort of genetic connection to the area whatsoever.


      I just think the law of the jungle should prevail.  Israel defended themselves just fine 1948-67.  It wasn't till the weasels in the beltway decided to give them billions every year , which led to us giving the egyptians, saudis and pakistanis and everyone else billions a year that all this stuff started.

    it's not just israel.  it's NATO, SOuth Korea.  the cold war is over.  motherf**kers should defend themselves.  We have way to many ways for terrorists to get to us. 

Jerusalem is one small town, not an entire country. Jerusalem is split up into 4 regions/sectors (Jews, Christians, Arabs, and Armenians) Jerusalem while is surrounded by Palestinian controlled areas as sat forth in UN181. It's not the historic land of Israel until as roughly about 3000 years ago when King David sat it up as a Jewish Capital, much like Peter the Great did when it established St Petersburg in the Ingrian land taken from Sweden in 1703 ...  so should the Jews give back the city of Jerusalem to the Canaanites? If they should you have a long list of lands the that need to be returned to their historic occupiers.

I'm sure Israel would be thrilled to defend themselves and not taking military aid, as soon as Hezboallah, PLO, Hamas and about 2 dozen more stop taking aid and equipment from Iran, Russia, China and a few others. And for the record US assistants to Israel didn't state after the Six Day War in '67 it started with Truman after the passage of the formation of Israel, Truman approving a $135 million Export-Import Bank loan and the sale of surplus commodities to Israel.

To quote an report by M. Bard

In 1951, Congress voted to help Israel cope with the economic burdens imposed by the influx of Jewish refugees from the displaced persons camps in Europe and from the ghettos of the Arab countries. Arabs then complained the U.S. was neglecting them, though they had no interest in or use for American aid then. In 1951, Syria rejected offers of U.S. aid. Oil-rich Iraq and Saudi Arabia did not need U.S. economic assistance, and Jordan was, until the late 1950s, the ward of Great Britain. After 1957, when the United States assumed responsibility for supporting Jordan and resumed economic aid to Egypt, assistance to the Arab states soared. Also, the United States was by far the biggest contributor of aid to the Palestinians through UNRWA, a status that continues to the present. 

Note that bold part ...

Israel as of 2001 owe the US about $2B in loans and military aid, so far until many Arab states, they actually pay it back.

[indianasmith]

Israelis one of the few true FRIENDS and allies America has . . .  they vote with us 84% of the time in the UN, and they sent aid to America after 9/11 and after Katrina.  They are the only true democracy in the Arab world, and law-abiding Palestinians living in Israel have more personal freedom and political and civil rights than do the Arab residents of Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, or Egypt.