Tom Cruise babbles incoherently about Scientology.

AnubisVonMojo · January 14, 2008, 09:36:39 PM

indianasmith · January 14, 2008, 11:30:10 PM

Can anyone babble coherently about Scientology?

trekgeezer · January 15, 2008, 10:22:23 AM

They took the video down because of a copyright claim by Scientology Int.

raj · January 15, 2008, 10:36:09 AM

Funny, most religions want to spread their message as widely as possible, for free. I have to be skeptical about ones that try and keep many things secret.

AnubisVonMojo · January 15, 2008, 12:51:39 PM

Scientology is the Three Card Monty of religions: if the pigeons watch it too long, they start to realize the con.

Allhallowsday · January 15, 2008, 12:59:56 PM

Try this link; talk about "WOW!"
http://gawker.com/5002269/the-cruise-indoctrination-video-scientology-tried-to-suppress

Zapranoth · January 15, 2008, 07:18:59 PM

Thanks. Got it downloaded, in case that link dies. PM me if file needed. =)

nshumate · January 15, 2008, 09:31:35 PM

Call me crazy, but I don't see the video as really being that wacko. Yes, Cruise is remarkably inarticulate when speaking about something he believes passionately, but I don't see that as being odd. And yes, he does use jargon that goes over the heads of the non-initiated; I see that as the effect of being both a devotee, and of living in a Hollywood echo chamber where everyone he sees on a daily basis is paid to be interested in everything he's interested in. And yes, I see the claims he puts forward on behalf of Scientology as The Solution are misguided at best. But take away the ominous music, and what you've got is an inarticulate man who believes something you don't.

(Ob disclaimer: I believe that L. Ron Hubbard was a fraud of the rankest sort, and that the Church of Scientology is made up entirely of dupes or frauds. That said, a systematic behavioral system, especially one that puts forward the claim of utter rationality, is going to hit on some good points some of the time, even if it's only by accident. And I realize, as a Mormon myself, that people could and do say exactly the same thing about my faith.)

Allhallowsday · January 16, 2008, 12:00:12 AM

Quote from: nshumate on January 15, 2008, 09:31:35 PM
Call me crazy, but I don't see the video as really being that wacko. Yes, Cruise is remarkably inarticulate when speaking about something he believes passionately, but I don't see that as being odd...

You're right. My "wow" is based solely upon his incredibly unexciting, boringly empty commentary.

The man is whack.

trekgeezer · January 16, 2008, 08:38:32 AM

What a load of incoherent BS.

CheezeFlixz · January 16, 2008, 09:51:22 AM

Cruise is a moron, just like the book that promotes scientology written by Mo Ron Hubbard.

raj · January 16, 2008, 01:39:46 PM

It's just more proof that we shouldn't take actors pronouncement on things simply because they are actors.

nshumate · January 16, 2008, 01:52:20 PM

Oh, indubitably. "I look good and can cry on demand" does not translate to "I am an expert on psychiatry, marital relations, and foreign policy."

Pilgermann · January 16, 2008, 06:53:10 PM

I couldn't watch all of that, it was too boring. It's so fragmented that it's hard to know what the context is. nshumate summed it up pretty well, I think.

I think Cruise is pretty crazy and misguided, but at least he's not a bad actor.

Dennis · January 17, 2008, 10:02:54 PM

The problem with the Scientologists is not that they live, as Mr. Cruise says, in their own version of reality, it's that they seem to think that everyone else must conform to their version of it too. I know from personal experience that in any form of interaction, social or business, they only grudgingly admit that the real world doesn't work the way they think it should and that reality may not be what they think it is. I sometimes think that God put Mr. L Ron Hubbard & Company on Earth just to annoy the rest of us.