Freddy's back...deal with it

[Fearless Freep]

OK, I'm still working my way through  the "Nightmare on Elm Street" series and I've finished number 5 ("Dream Child") and number 6 sits atop my VCR for imminent viewing.

The one thing that occured to me as I was viewing 5 was that "Freddy keeps coming back!" OK, no shock there, that's why we have sequels..   But!!!  You would think that little concept would finally have sunk into some people.

It gets a little irritating how everytime Freddy comes back, the person whom Freddy is starting to harrass is still met with either "but Freddy's dead" (by those with prior experience) or "your just having bad dreams, face reality" (by those without)  You would think after how many times Freddy has been killed and come back, and how many people had died as a result, that if someone with a prior Feddy encounter said "Freddy's back" they would immediately be taken seriously

The otehr irritation is that with as many people as have encountered Freddy, they would come up with a better offensive than "I'm going to dream and fight Freddy, you stay awake"  GIven how well *that* usually works out, you'd think they would come up with a slightly better tactical plan of attack (and you'd think that by now, people would be taking the 'you stay awake' part a *bit* more to heart, considering that failure usually leads to death)

Anyway, Freddy dies, Freddy comes back, doesn't anyone learn?

[Fearless Freep]

Actually, the one exception to that pattern seemed to be in "Dream Warriors".  Nancy realizes Freddy could be back, takes the kids seriously, and immediately goes on the offensive. I think this was well done and  I think it contributed to a higher than average survivor count, which shold have been  even better, but for some bad judgement on those involved

[Chadzilla]

Fearless Freep wrote:
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> OK, I'm still working my way through  the "Nightmare on Elm
> Street" series and I've finished number 5 ("Dream Child") and
> number 6 sits atop my VCR for imminent viewing.
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>

Beware, you are going into some skull territory with Freddy's Dead.  
Predicted viewer response - PAIN

[Fearless Freep]

So I've heard....thanks for the warning, though :)

[Steven Millan]

                 I strongly had a funny feeling that New Line Cinema were still going to make more Freddy movies,even after "New Nightmare",but were waiting this long just to make FReddy's return both more respectable,and a little more warmer,especially since he's squaring up against Jason,this time out.

[Fearless Freep]

since he's squaring up against Jason,this time out.

Not sure I understand, the supernatural/dream aspect of Freddy's modus operandi would seem to make him very hard to compete with.  Not having seen much of the Friday the 13th series, I would say that Jason's a pretty unstable killing machine, but still very limited to a physical existance

[systemcr4sh']

haha I can see it now, jason taking sleeping pills and such to try and fall asleep so he can fight freddy. Although thats not realistic, it was just a funny picture I had in my head. hehe.

[Chadzilla]

Evidently the Hockey Masked one is going through some reinvention, hence Kane Hodder NOT playing him (although Hodder was instrumental in keeping the slug match production inching forward).  Teenagers hook Freddy into Jason's mind (plans are to have Jason be more of a tragic Phantom of the Opera type character) and the torture takes place there.

With Ronny (Bride With White Hair, Bride of Chucky) Yu directing it, it should at least LOOK interesting.

[J.R.]

This is one of the oldest horror film rules: No one believes the first person to realize the threat. Not parents, not cops, no one. It helps to fill out the running time. Also, if the police or anyone decides to check out the story the killer (or whatever) has cleaned up all the evidence.

[Fearless Freep]

This is one of the oldest horror film rules: No one believes the first person to realize the threat.

Normally, I would follow that, however in Freddy's case, each movie starts with someone from a previous movie getting the dreams so it's not really a 'first person to realize...' situation

[ndmovies]

Can someone explain the Jason thing to me.  In the first Friday 13th he's a dead 10 yr old boy right?  His mom is doing the killing.  Well, Ive never seen part 2 or 3.  Strangely, I've seen all the others.  How did Jason go from dead 10 year old to 30 something unstoppable hockey mask wearer?

[Fearless Freep]

Can someone explain the Jason thing to me

..when you get that figured out, we'll talk Trancers

[Fearless Freep]

Beware, you are going into some skull territory with Freddy's Dead.
Predicted viewer response - PAIN

Oh, yeah..it was painful!

[AndyC]

> Beware, you are going into some skull territory with
> Freddy's Dead.
> Predicted viewer response - PAIN

Fortunately the series goes uphill from there. Wes Craven's New Nightmare was pretty clever.

As to the question of how Jason goes from a dead 10-year-old to a living adult, it was explained in part 2 that he did not drown but rather lived a reclusive existance in the woods, growing up there (which raises a bunch more questions). Being retarded to begin with, growing up semi-feral and seeing his mother's killing spree (and decapitation), made him the killer he became (before he became a zombie).

In Friday the 13th, it was quite believable that people rejected the idea that Jason returned in Part 6. First, it seemed that more time had passed in the story than the actual time between a few of the sequels. Tommy Jarvis had time to grow up between 4 and 6. Jason didn't come back in Part 5, but was copycatted. In Part 6, Jason was long dead, the town had made an effort to bury his memory with him, and Tommy had spent years in a mental institution after killing Jason - after Jason killed his family. The only thing the sheriff was willing to believe was that Tommy was obsessed with Jason to the point of delusion. When the bodies started appearing, it was logical to suspect that Tommy attacked them to try to make others accept his delusion. It's also possible that he could have witnessed a murder and his disturbed mind saw Jason. Lots of possible explanations that do not involve the dead rising from the grave. Of course, this was the first "Jason the zombie" movie.

For learning from previous encounters, bonus points should go to the FBI in Part 9. After 8 movies, somebody finally figured out how tough Jason was, and launched a major military-style operation to destroy him. If it had been made a few years later, they'd probably have given David Duchovny a cameo. Too bad the rest of the movie sucked.

I've read a couple of interesting rejected stories for Freddy vs. Jason. One suggested that Jason had lived on Elm St. as a small child, and that his mother was a member of the mob that killed Freddy. Another idea was that there had been a relationship between Freddy (the living) and the widowed Mrs. Voorhees, during which Kruger abused young Jason. Two very interesting approaches to tying the characters together, and giving them a beef with one another. It also implies that Freddy, in some way, shaped Jason's psychotic psyche. There were also different ideas for either bringing Freddy into the real world or Jason into the dream world for a showdown. Hope the movie that gets made is a

[Chadzilla]

AndyC wrote:
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> Another idea was that there had been a
> relationship between Freddy (the living) and the widowed Mrs.
> Voorhees, during which Kruger abused young Jason.

You know, we never have met MR. Voorhees! :-)