Alabama Governor: Only Christians are my Brothers

[RCMerchant]

Being my brother has nothing to do with genetics or religion.

But I will have to see your DVD collection... 

Yeah, DVD'S are an important thing in a man's life. Good call 

If yer anti Bela-I'm onna jihaad!-or yeehaad!
But seriously,folks--muslims-radical christians. Same s**t. Personally-If religion turns you into a bigoted a***ole-I want no part of yer "god". More murder has been commited in the name of one god or another that it makes organized religion of any sort a joke. I aint an atheist-I believe in a higher power-but I dont pretend to know what it is-or how it operates. Heaven-Hell-Satan-God-...fairy tales.Invented to keep people in line.
And if you think Muslims invented religious jihaad-uh-the Crusades-the Inqusition? Before that-the Romans killing Christians-beginning of time,I reckon. f**k organized religion. I got mine-you got yours-who cares?

[RCMerchant]

Being my brother has nothing to do with genetics or religion.

But I will have to see your DVD collection... 

Yeah, DVD'S are an important thing in a man's life. Good call 

Anyone who doesnt appreciate the insightful wisdom of ROBOT MONSTER should be burned at the stake! BURN THE HERETIC! BURN! BURN!!!!

[Mofo Rising]

A terrible thing to say, and horribly un-Christian to boot.

When Christ said "Love your fellow man" he did not add provisos. To add them yourself is a betrayal of what you purport to believe.

[Umaril The Unfeathered]

A terrible thing to say, and horribly un-Christian to boot.

When Christ said "Love your fellow man" he did not add provisos. To add them yourself is a betrayal of what you purport to believe.

Well I think that back then there was a different meaning to loving your fellow man than the one now. It means a (w)hole  new thing today..j\k 

[Couchtr26]

And if you think Muslims invented religious jihaad-uh-the Crusades-the Inqusition? Before that-the Romans killing Christians-beginning of time,I reckon. f**k organized religion. I got mine-you got yours-who cares?

Actually, you bring up an interesting thought I had about religion.  Considering that Islam was started circa 700 and that all these things existed in Christianity roughly around 1000 - 1200 and lasted about 500 years or so, Is this just the natural evolution of a religion?  Does after about 1000 years or so some zealotry occur that eventually dies out as basic philosophical thoughts on humanity enter into the culture?

[indianasmith]

One thing to remember: The Crusades, as horrible as they were, represented the Church trying to reclaim the land of its birth.  Muslims militarily conquered Judea at a time when Western Christendom was very weak.  The two faiths did coexist for awhile, but when the Seljuk Turks wrested control of the Muslim lands from the Abassid Dynasty, they began a heavy persecution of Christians and quit allowing the faithful to visit the Holy Places of their faith.  Many non-violent Christian pilgrims were murdered or enslaved before the Church finally took up the sword to reclaim the land of its birth.
Don't mistake me - the stuff done during the Crusades was wrong - but there was ample wrong on both sides, and the Christians did not START the violence.

[Mofo Rising]

A terrible thing to say, and horribly un-Christian to boot.

When Christ said "Love your fellow man" he did not add provisos. To add them yourself is a betrayal of what you purport to believe.

Well I think that back then there was a different meaning to loving your fellow man than the one now. It means a (w)hole  new thing today..j\k 

Well, I left out that "...as you would love yourself" bit.

All I'm saying is that the the police and I have very different opinions on the "whys and wheres" of the Golden Rule.

Some things you have to learn the hard way.

[Couchtr26]

One thing to remember: The Crusades, as horrible as they were, represented the Church trying to reclaim the land of its birth.  Muslims militarily conquered Judea at a time when Western Christendom was very weak.  The two faiths did coexist for awhile, but when the Seljuk Turks wrested control of the Muslim lands from the Abassid Dynasty, they began a heavy persecution of Christians and quit allowing the faithful to visit the Holy Places of their faith.  Many non-violent Christian pilgrims were murdered or enslaved before the Church finally took up the sword to reclaim the land of its birth.
Don't mistake me - the stuff done during the Crusades was wrong - but there was ample wrong on both sides, and the Christians did not START the violence.

Actually, I think most of that was pretext.  If I am not mistaken most came from the Ottoman Empire seeking aid from the west.  They used we are Christian helps us as an excuse for more we have alot of aggressive armed people on our doorstep do you think you guys could help us out as we are both Christian.  At least in the initial stages, it eventually devolved into more basic terms as time went on in the first crusade. 

[indianasmith]

I think you are referring to the Byzantine Empire, not the Ottomans.  That is true - the Byzantines had tried to retake the Holy Land from the Turks and got their clocks cleaned at the Battle of Manzikurt, so they appealed to their fellow Christians in the West for aid.  But however noble or ignoble the original intent may have been, the whole thing became a farce.  In the Fourth Crusade, Christian Latins from the West sacked and burned Constantinople - the capitol of a Christian Empire - and never even got close to Jerusalem.

[Umaril The Unfeathered]

One thing to remember: The Crusades, as horrible as they were, represented the Church trying to reclaim the land of its birth.  Muslims militarily conquered Judea at a time when Western Christendom was very weak.  The two faiths did coexist for awhile, but when the Seljuk Turks wrested control of the Muslim lands from the Abassid Dynasty, they began a heavy persecution of Christians and quit allowing the faithful to visit the Holy Places of their faith.  Many non-violent Christian pilgrims were murdered or enslaved before the Church finally took up the sword to reclaim the land of its birth.
Don't mistake me - the stuff done during the Crusades was wrong - but there was ample wrong on both sides, and the Christians did not START the violence.

Right. I believe, though I may be wrong, I had read once that the Roman Holy Sites in Constantinople were burned to the ground in 1198(?) and that was one of a series of one-up's that caused the Crusades to turn from a conflict into a full blown war.

However, despite the fact that Christians didn't start the violence, but try telling that to people today....Christians have gotten stuck with the check for almost every act of violence since, but noone seems to be willing to address the other atrocities that have taken place in the world, and there have been many.

[Umaril The Unfeathered]

A terrible thing to say, and horribly un-Christian to boot.

When Christ said "Love your fellow man" he did not add provisos. To add them yourself is a betrayal of what you purport to believe.

Well I think that back then there was a different meaning to loving your fellow man than the one now. It means a (w)hole  new thing today..j\k 

Well, I left out that "...as you would love yourself" bit.

All I'm saying is that the the police and I have very different opinions on the "whys and wheres" of the Golden Rule.

Some things you have to learn the hard way.

Not a problem, I get where you're comin' from. I was just being a jokester as usual.

The Golden Rule certainly has been tested thru the ages, hasn't it?

[Couchtr26]

I think you are referring to the Byzantine Empire, not the Ottomans.  That is true - the Byzantines had tried to retake the Holy Land from the Turks and got their clocks cleaned at the Battle of Manzikurt, so they appealed to their fellow Christians in the West for aid.  But however noble or ignoble the original intent may have been, the whole thing became a farce.  In the Fourth Crusade, Christian Latins from the West sacked and burned Constantinople - the capitol of a Christian Empire - and never even got close to Jerusalem.

Thanks IndianaSmith, sorry I was misplacing my memory.