The Debt Crisis . . . Whose fault? And how do we fix it? (PT, PF)

[Allhallowsday]

Please don't bother responding to barack clinton.  He's been banned.  Not for his views, but for abusing this forum's hospitality. 

If he's been banned, how is it he's able to post? 

[Flick James]

Please don't bother responding to barack clinton.  He's been banned.  Not for his views, but for abusing this forum's hospitality. 

Understood. I withdrew my post.

[Rev. Powell]

Please don't bother responding to barack clinton.  He's been banned.  Not for his views, but for abusing this forum's hospitality. 

If he's been banned, how is it he's able to post? 

He has another alias that has been banned. Andrew turned off guest posting on the forums so he can no longer post under the guest name.  Now that he officially registered under the barack clinton moniker, it is now banned as well. 

[Leah]

Please don't bother responding to barack clinton.  He's been banned.  Not for his views, but for abusing this forum's hospitality. 

If he's been banned, how is it he's able to post? 

He has another alias that has been banned. Andrew turned off guest posting on the forums so he can no longer post under the guest name.  Now that he officially registered under the barack clinton moniker, it is now banned as well. 

So, on a completely different topic, but does that mean that people who read Reviews have to register?

[Rev. Powell]

Please don't bother responding to barack clinton.  He's been banned.  Not for his views, but for abusing this forum's hospitality. 

If he's been banned, how is it he's able to post? 

He has another alias that has been banned. Andrew turned off guest posting on the forums so he can no longer post under the guest name.  Now that he officially registered under the barack clinton moniker, it is now banned as well. 

So, on a completely different topic, but does that mean that people who read Reviews have to register?

Only if they want to post a comment. 

[indianasmith]

Actually, if he had JOINED, I would have been willing to tolerate his nonsense.  It was his showing up as a guest and flaming everyone that ticked me off.  Darn . . . I actually gave him a karma point for being willing to sign on!

[Allhallowsday]

Actually, if he had JOINED, I would have been willing to tolerate his nonsense.  It was his showing up as a guest and flaming everyone that ticked me off.  Darn . . . I actually gave him a karma point for being willing to sign on!

And I just took that point away by smiting him.  Nonetheless, when an ID has been "banned" I don't think they would be still receiving karma... 

[Allhallowsday]

    Doggett - may not know this, but I am a raving Anglophile.  England carried the torch of civilization and democracy for all of the nineteenth and twentieth century...

As far as democracy having had it's "torch carried" ...huh? ...You think by actions in Africa, the Indian sub-continent, China... Ireland?? 

[indianasmith]

No country is perfect.  But American democracy has its roots in England.  Every race and nationality on this planet has been oppressed, and has been the oppressor, at one time or another in their history.

But here's a question:  Would India be a democracy at all if they had NOT been a British colony for 200 years?

[Allhallowsday]

No country is perfect.  But American democracy has its roots in England.  Every race and nationality on this planet has been oppressed, and has been the oppressor, at one time or another in their history.

But here's a question:  Would India be a democracy at all if they had NOT been a British colony for 200 years?

No country is perfect...?  Nor is your commentary.   Perfect my arse.  You suggest that modern India exists because of centuries of exploitation and oppression? 

[indianasmith]

Imperialism had an ugly side, to be sure.  But the British took that whole "white man's burden" concept pretty seriously, and did make an effort to improve the places they colonized.  Generally speaking, that meant taking the children of the upper classes and giving them an education and some training in the arts of government.  But, in India, they also banned some of the more barbaric customs of the locals - like cremating women still alive on the funeral pyres of their husbands -not to mention the caste system - and built roads, schools, and hospitals FOR THE NATIVES that are still in use today.  They also stole massive amounts of natural resources and cruelly exploited native workers.  But the native rulers were just as cruel to the underclasses, if not more so.  I guess my point was that, compared to some of the other colonizing powers, like Belgium and Spain, the British left both a positive and negative legacy in the lands they occupied.

[Leah]

Imperialism had an ugly side, to be sure.  But the British took that whole "white man's burden" concept pretty seriously, and did make an effort to improve the places they colonized.  Generally speaking, that meant taking the children of the upper classes and giving them an education and some training in the arts of government.  But, in India, they also banned some of the more barbaric customs of the locals - like cremating women still alive on the funeral pyres of their husbands -not to mention the caste system - and built roads, schools, and hospitals FOR THE NATIVES that are still in use today.  They also stole massive amounts of natural resources and cruelly exploited native workers.  But the native rulers were just as cruel to the underclasses, if not more so.  I guess my point was that, compared to some of the other colonizing powers, like Belgium and Spain, the British left both a positive and negative legacy in the lands they occupied.

isn't that what the Sphere of Influence does?

[indianasmith]

OK, I'll admit I'm not entirely sure what your reference is here . . . 

[Flick James]

I'm curious, how did this turn into a history discussion on Imperialism? I thought we were talking about the national debt.

[Leah]

OK, I'll admit I'm not entirely sure what your reference is here . . . 

It was during the Imperialism era, where China was going to have a new gov't and multiple world powers came to China to "Influence" their gov't.  That is what I can recall from US history this year.