Bin Laden Dead

[Doggett]

Ask your grandparents how they felt when Hitler bit the dust, Doggett. 
It's very similar for us today.

I think the winning or the war was the relief. And I'm not too sure this is it. In fact, it could even get worse. I would've prefered Bin Laden to have waved the white flag or something. Anything to encourage extremists to think about or change their ways.

I still feel very uncomfortable about all this.

I can never be happy about a person's death.

[Mr. DS]

I personally would love to p!ss on his watery grave, burn in hell you piece of sh!t and all others like you.  

[claws]

Am I only the person who feels uncomfortable about all this happiness from a mans death.

Look them up cheering and celebrating the 9/11 WTC attack and the deaths of 3,000 innocent people on youtube.
I think its only fair to cheer the death of one terrorist.

[Leah]

I still feel very uncomfortable about all this.

I think I can get to what your referring to. The extinct of the damage could very well be more horrible than imagined. think of glasnost, but only for Pakistan. The true horrors were shown after they relaxed censorship, maybe this will be the same.

[Doggett]

Am I only the person who feels uncomfortable about all this happiness from a mans death.

Look them up cheering and celebrating the 9/11 WTC attack and the deaths of 3,000 innocent people on youtube.
I think its only fair to cheer the death of one terrorist.

Oh, so becuase the terrorists get happy from death we should too ?

No.

No exceptions to the rule for me. Death isn't good. I want my villians in prison.
Something tells me I might be alone in that so I'll stay away from this topic for a while.

[AndyC]

I would've prefered Bin Laden to have waved the white flag or something. Anything to encourage extremists to think about or change their ways.

Guys like Bin Laden don't do that. And if he did, his followers wouldn't take it as an example. They'd condemn him for it and follow somebody else. These guys are committed enough to their cause that they'll kill thousands of innocents. They won't have a change of heart because their leader threw in the towel. And putting him in prison gives them the added goal of getting him released.

Like it or not, this was probably the best way to deal with him.

[Derf]

Am I only the person who feels uncomfortable about all this happiness from a mans death.

Look them up cheering and celebrating the 9/11 WTC attack and the deaths of 3,000 innocent people on youtube.
I think its only fair to cheer the death of one terrorist.

Oh, so becuase the terrorists get happy from death we should too ?

No.

No exceptions to the rule for me. Death isn't good. I want my villians in prison.
Something tells me I might be alone in that so I'll stay away from this topic for a while.

I can understand where you're coming from, Doggett, and I agree. I'm relieved that bin Laden is gone, and I am hopeful that Al Quaida won't be able to hold itself together without him, but death isn't something to celebrate in my opinion, either. In this case, I think it was necessary, though. I pray now that he doesn't gain martyr status and unite terrorist organizations.

[claws]

Am I only the person who feels uncomfortable about all this happiness from a mans death.

Look them up cheering and celebrating the 9/11 WTC attack and the deaths of 3,000 innocent people on youtube.
I think its only fair to cheer the death of one terrorist.

Oh, so becuase the terrorists get happy from death we should too ?

No.

No exceptions to the rule for me. Death isn't good. I want my villians in prison.
Something tells me I might be alone in that so I'll stay away from this topic for a while.

No need to stay away from this thread though. I might not agree but I understand and respect your opinion.

[Mr. DS]

Many people have no value on this earth Doggs...Bin Laden was one of them.

[Allhallowsday]

Did anybody else notice that ALL of Dr. Strangelove's postings in this thread have been deleted?  A habit he had under other names: stir everybody up (even those who might agree with him) and then delete his posts.  It's cowardly.


Doggett: you can see in my second posting in this thread that I don't think celebrating death is something I enjoy or approve of either.  But if I said I felt sorry for OSAMA BIN ASKIN FOR IT... I'd be lying.  I am not sorry for that murderous megalomaniac.  Good riddance! 

[Rev. Powell]

Am I only the person who feels uncomfortable about all this happiness from a mans death.

Look them up cheering and celebrating the 9/11 WTC attack and the deaths of 3,000 innocent people on youtube.
I think its only fair to cheer the death of one terrorist.

Oh, so becuase the terrorists get happy from death we should too ?

No.

No exceptions to the rule for me. Death isn't good. I want my villians in prison.
Something tells me I might be alone in that so I'll stay away from this topic for a while.

I can understand where you're coming from, Doggett, and I agree. I'm relieved that bin Laden is gone, and I am hopeful that Al Quaida won't be able to hold itself together without him, but death isn't something to celebrate in my opinion, either. In this case, I think it was necessary, though. I pray now that he doesn't gain martyr status and unite terrorist organizations.

I'm with you too, Doggett.  I've never been a fan of an eye for an eye; I get no personal satisfaction from it.  I think the effect of this one death on national security is negligible.

Personally, I think the best result would have been for OBL to quietly die of kidney failure rather than to be martyred. 

[Doggett]

Doggett: you can see in my second posting in this thread that I don't think celebrating death is something I enjoy or approve of either.  But if I said I felt sorry for OSAMA BIN ASKIN FOR IT... I'd be lying.  I am not sorry for that murderous megalomaniac.  Good riddance! 

I guess I did return to this thread.
Darn me.

I feel nothing for the guy, AHD.
I certianly don't feel sorry for him. He was a terrible man, a real villian. He wanted a war and got one.

But its that everyone seems so pleased with themselves thats freaking me out. And I really can't get happy about a mans death. It would just be so much more satisfying for me to see him behind bars. It would just destroy so much moral for the terrorists.

(Indy also gave congrats to Obama and that also freaked me out a little...  )

An eye of an eye makes everyone blind.
All the innocent people who have been killed are still dead, everything is still bleak in the middle east.


And by having no body (he was buried at sea, right?) is just going to add weight to the consiracy theorists.

[Newt]

I'm with Doggett too.  I can be glad that Osama bin Laden is gone for good, and I am not sure how it could have ended otherwise, but I can also decline to join in celebrating a death.

Equating Osama bin Laden to Hitler is a bit over-the-top IMO.  I am sure we can put that reaction down to the emotions of the moment.  Quite understandable.

I saw the President's announcement (multiple times): it struck me he was playing it for maximum personal benefit.  (Got an election coming up soon?)  Any American President would have signed the same orders.  Obama just happens to be the one currently in office.

I agree the conspiracy theorists will be all over this - that's a given.

It also strikes me that being seen to celebrate in such a huge fashion only adds to Osama bin Laden's staure in the eyes of his supporters and followers.  It makes it look as though the Americans were unsure that they would be able to do it: makes Osama bin Laden look formidable; plays up the magnitude of his power and abilities.  Seems to me it would be far more effective in terms of psychological impact to act as though it were to be taken for granted: an air of confident superiority would be the greater insult.  Squashing him like an annoying insect.

[Chainsawmidget]

Am I only the person who feels uncomfortable about all this happiness from a mans death.

He was a bad guy, but all this good cheer is creeping me out a little.
Killing him hasn't actually changed anything.

He was only a man by strictest legal definition. 

What we killed was a monster.   

As for whether it changed anything, it certainly made a lot of people happy and got rid of a major figure head.  If nothing else, it was a symbolic victory. 

If we'd caught him, there would have been all sorts of legal mumbo-jumbo that lasted for years and years, with him giving public statements and all sorts of garbage like that.  He would have had to have been locked away somewhere with people having to look after him and other people talking about wanting to free him.  The whole thing would have just been more trouble than it was worth.   Killing him was probably the best option we had.  It's done and over with.

[Javakoala]

I somewhat side with Doggett. But my main thing is this: Bin Laden is dead. Okay, fine. Press the advantage NOW. Make sure that any confusion and in-fighting within his "forces" shreds that movement into non-existence. Do not spend enough time patting ourselves on the back that they have time to reform. Make his death be the first clear step to routing that line of his followers that would strike back in Bin Laden's name.