THE CIVIL WAR reruns

[Allhallowsday]

Oh yes, thanks for reminding me!    

allhallowsday -    well my point was that it was IRONIC that the 80's signified the end of, say ,  variety shows when the whole thrust of the 80's was a return to the old ways.  I maintain that it really wasn't.  yes, the people in "Wall Street"  and "less than Zero" had short hair, but they were coming out of the Ramones and Madonna, not The Ronettes.  In short, I don't believe the 80's were retro at all.  

I thnk your grasp of film is as off as your grasp of history.    that you nitpick stuff about john ritters real name and the correct run of "leave it to Beaver" shows you have completely missd the point, probably a common conundrum for your good self.

My grasp of film!  My grasp of history!  My common conundrum!  My common conundrum!!    That's still worth two good laughs.    Make it three.  The whole thrust of the '80s!

[lester1/2jr]

well for example I'd say Madonna's "Like a prayer" video was alot edgier than, say, Linda Ronstadt or something. If you prefer the 70's to the 80's that's fine but I don't know that one can say point blank that the 70's were good and the 80's were bad. That sort of assessment is totaly subjective. There were crazy ballsy movies and things in the 80's and really rote , brain dead stuff in the 70's and vice versa.

as for the the "thrust of the 80's," yeah, it was an era that had a feel and style to it. Gremlins, Top Gun, rap, I don't know. It's just a casual discussion board I wasn't writing a novel there.

[Allhallowsday]

well for example I'd say Madonna's "Like a prayer" video was alot edgier than, say, Linda Ronstadt or something. If you prefer the 70's to the 80's that's fine but I don't know that one can say point blank that the 70's were good and the 80's were bad. That sort of assessment is totaly subjective. There were crazy ballsy movies and things in the 80's and really rote , brain dead stuff in the 70's and vice versa.

as for the the "thrust of the 80's," yeah, it was an era that had a feel and style to it. Gremlins, Top Gun, rap, I don't know. It's just a casual discussion board I wasn't writing a novel there.

  Who said any of that?  I don't think you get the insults you so casually dropped on me way back when for whatever reason.  It's cool but whatever you wrote then can't be any better explained now.   

[lester1/2jr]

well okay

lester1/2jr, it sounds to me like you did not get THE OTHER.  I would say it's the inverse for 70s cinema versus 80s cinema that being the 70s was all the "... SEX, VIOLENCE AND MODERNITY..." and the 80s "...self indulgence and vaudevillian elements..."  Y'know back to the old school and to hell with the lessons learned in the late 60s early 70s era with films like: BONNIE & CLYDE, THEY SHOOT HORSES DON'T THEY? PATTON, MEAN STREETS, DOG DAY AFTERNOON, DEATH WISH, TAXI DRIVER, THE GODFATHER, NETWORK real stories with unhappy resolutions... and how can we make even bigger bux?  The 80s begins with an accident in 1977 called STAR WARS, followed by CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND, E.T., TERMINATOR, INDIANA JONES, POLTERGEIST, GREMLINS, and the return of old Hollywood entertainment and musical scores, with big-budget flix with dandy special effects !!  

so the point you seem to be making is that the 70's were kind of crazier and better than the 80's or that the 80's were a step backwards. Well yeah , I suppose Taxi Driver is sort of edgier than say Romancing the Stone. My point was basically that there were things that ended in the 70's. variety shows for example were big in the 70's and had been earlier and had fallen out of fashion in the 80's. So whatever american traditions that spawned the variety show were put to the side when the 80's came.  and of course you got the twist on traditions as in  the afformentioned madonna hit, which was 50's in it's popness but modern in it's controversial video and lyrics.

THE OTHER is not "The Waltons," though it may perhaps look a bit like them to you (same era being depicted in the same era, I getcha I betcha if you will.)  But THE OTHER is a terribly tragic, twisted and sad story, aside from being a Horror tale.  "Leave It To Beaver" was off the air long before THE OTHER was made (last official showing was of "The Photo Album" in early September 1963, two months before JFK was killed in Dallas and the world changed forever.)  

I never said it wasn't twisted. part of the reason it was twisted was its inital wholesome appearence. and again, it was you who began the negativity by saying I didn't get the movie. I was just defending myself. If you had just said "I disagree" and stated why I doubt we would be having this discussion.

[Allhallowsday]

well okay

lester1/2jr, it sounds to me like you did not get THE OTHER.  I would say it's the inverse for 70s cinema versus 80s cinema that being the 70s was all the "... SEX, VIOLENCE AND MODERNITY..." and the 80s "...self indulgence and vaudevillian elements..."  Y'know back to the old school and to hell with the lessons learned in the late 60s early 70s era with films like: BONNIE & CLYDE, THEY SHOOT HORSES DON'T THEY? PATTON, MEAN STREETS, DOG DAY AFTERNOON, DEATH WISH, TAXI DRIVER, THE GODFATHER, NETWORK real stories with unhappy resolutions... and how can we make even bigger bux?  The 80s begins with an accident in 1977 called STAR WARS, followed by CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND, E.T., TERMINATOR, INDIANA JONES, POLTERGEIST, GREMLINS, and the return of old Hollywood entertainment and musical scores, with big-budget flix with dandy special effects !!  

so the point you seem to be making is that the 70's were kind of crazier and better than the 80's or that the 80's were a step backwards. Well yeah , I suppose Taxi Driver is sort of edgier than say Romancing the Stone. My point was basically that there were things that ended in the 70's. variety shows for example were big in the 70's and had been earlier and had fallen out of fashion in the 80's. So whatever american traditions that spawned the variety show were put to the side when the 80's came.  and of course you got the twist on traditions as in  the afformentioned madonna hit, which was 50's in it's popness but modern in it's controversial video and lyrics.

THE OTHER is not "The Waltons," though it may perhaps look a bit like them to you (same era being depicted in the same era, I getcha I betcha if you will.)  But THE OTHER is a terribly tragic, twisted and sad story, aside from being a Horror tale.  "Leave It To Beaver" was off the air long before THE OTHER was made (last official showing was of "The Photo Album" in early September 1963, two months before JFK was killed in Dallas and the world changed forever.)

I never said it wasn't twisted. part of the reason it was twisted was its inital wholesome appearence. and again, it was you who began the negativity by saying I didn't get the movie. I was just defending myself. If you had just said "I disagree" and stated why I doubt we would be having this discussion.

If I think you don't get something, I may point such out just like I did then.  Your comments make less sense now than they did then, and you flip flop mid stream.  You are a sensitive lad to be picking this up exactly where you left off 4 years ago.  I was direct, but you were rude.  I'll paraphrase:  I said you don't get the film and then explained why I found your remarks perplexing.  You stated that I don't get film, I don't get history, and that must be my  common conundrum. And you now still insist I was "negative".    Better to leave well enough alone.   
Y'know Lester, I don't care about that old discussion or strange rationalizations.  Now I remember why I didn't like ya.   You acted like a troll. 

[lester1/2jr]

Dude, I'm just trying to get to the bottom of our disagreement. look, forget it. I'm sorry if I offended you in regards to The Other. Again, it was just a generic sort of comeback to a perceived attack.

and I'm a sensitive lad? You were OFFENDED that I called John Ritter Jack Tripper.

well this was great . at any rate we can both agree it has nothing to do with the civil war and I doubt either of us has any interest in continuing this exchange in private so there ya go. You may have the last word if you wish.

[Flick James]

So, how about those The Civil War reruns?