The Conners

[sprite75]

Anyone else watch it?  I didn't last night but was able to stream it from ABC.

Anyone else think of one Walter Sobchak when Dan Conner asked, "Seen a little too much action in Nam, Joey?"



Actually thought it was a good show. 

[indianasmith]

Whatever you think of Roseanne's departure, and I know there are a variety of opinions, I think the show handled her character's departure poignantly and well.  It's not going to be a favorite of mine, but it's a well done show.

[lester1/2jr]

not dignified imo. have her back or don't have the show

[Allhallowsday]

ROSEANNE BARR had the world in her hand (again) and screwed up.  I have no use for excuses. 

I agree with Indy; the program was poignant.  Interestingly, it ended without her character in bed with her husband.  Of course I'm thinking of ROSEANNE BARR making a bed and now having to lie in it. 

[Svengoolie 3]

I would have rather had roseanne die because she couldn't get healthcare she needed due because she couldn't afford it.

The funny thing is a person can lose an acting job for making a racist tweet but someone can make racist slurs (Pochantus) and be considered the president. We now have higher standards for tv stars that presidents....

[ER]

I would have rather had roseanne die because she couldn't get healthcare she needed due because she couldn't afford it.

The funny thing is a person can lose an acting job for making a racist tweet but someone can make racist slurs (Pochantus) and be considered the president. We now have higher standards for tv stars that presidents....

Sven, you complain a lot about the supposed inavailability of health care (though most Americans have it).  Fair question, why is it you believe health care is some sort of birth right? The medical industry is a business and you pay for what you get.

[Svengoolie 3]

No,  I believe a civilized country should put at least some things above the blood dripping vultures talons of capitalism and profit.  Most civilized countries do this. 

[Svengoolie 3]

You know this isn't the first time this has happened. Valerie Harper had a hit show called valerie which she was fired from due to asking for a higher salary. They didn't negotiate with her or make a deal,  they tired her.  She later sued and collected damages plus a chunk of the shlwcs profits when the show was retitled "valerie's family" and later "the hogans".

So Rosanne Barf got canned. They had to kiss her ass and make an agreement with her to keep the show going.  That's more than a lot of stars get.

[ER]

No,  I believe a civilized country should put at least some things above the blood dripping vultures talons of capitalism and profit.  Most civilized countries do this. 

So you should pay for my pregnancy and I should pay for your obesity-related health problems? Sven....what's wrong with paying for services rendered? That's what I don't get and which you sidestepped answering. Shouldn't you pay for the treatment you receive? Shouldn't I? Payment for services has been the basis of economics since civilization began. If most people can afford health care and you can't, maybe the problem lies in what you're doing wrong rather than the health care business as a whole.

[Svengoolie 3]

Charging 800$ for a 1$ bottle of saline solution is wrong. Calling a box of Kleenex a "disposable mucus recovery system" and charging 80$ for it in a hospital in wrong. If you can't see what's wrong with our healthcare racket there's nothing I can do or say about it.

[ER]

Charging 800$ for a 1$ bottle of saline solution is wrong. Calling a box of Kleenex a "disposable mucus recovery system" and charging 80$ for it in a hospital in wrong. If you can't see what's wrong with our healthcare racket there's nothing I can do or say about it.

And yet even in the midst of these supposed abuses (and you want to talk corruption, look into socialism, my gosh) a majority of Americans are productive enough to have health care. What is it about them that makes them able to have it but you don't? Why are you failing (and complaining) where they are succeeding? What keeps you from being at least as successful as most Americans who have health care?

[Alex]

In no country in healthcare free, however I think it is something that should be available to everyone free at the point of use. Being from the UK, I can't ever imagine a homeless woman with a tumour hanging out of her leg having to stand in the street and beg for a few dollars so she could get treatment as I saw in the US much to my shock.

I always find it worth remembering that in the Soviet Union, despite the mass killings, gulags and whatnot for most of its existance its citizens had a longer lifespan than those of the US and a much higher standard of healthcare.

In answer to why people should help with each others healthcare, while I believe caring about your fellow human's should be a basic tennant of civilisation. Are we not our brothers (and sisters) keepers? While capitilsm works, it is no more than an extension of the laws of the jungle and while I doubt humanity will ever rise above it fully it is nice when we can use those big ass brains of ours to make an attempt to make the best of it. Plus, capitalism does work best when everyone in the system cooperates and works together. It is greed that causes the regular financial crashes that plague our economies, and that is not generated by the people at the bottom of the system, even though they are the ones who pay for it the hardest.

There is quite a lot of profiteering and overcharging that seems to go on in the US medical system. There are medicines here I can pick up cheaply and send to friends and family in the US (and we are talking a couple of pounds here versus around the hundred dollar mark), for much less than they will be charged to get them via health insurance. Yes, companies have a right to make a profit, but for me the question is, how much money is enough?

As someone diagnosed with sociopathic tendancies (not full blown sociopath, just some element that disassociate me from the general population, I can see this as a logical process rather than an emotive one and it continually surprises me that people would not want to share in a common policy of good health for all.

And this is all wandering way off topic and should really be a discussion for another thread.

[ER]

I mainly agree with you, Alex, including the fact the subject I introduced was stretching Sven's original comment a bit in this topic.

I took the chance to ask something that has occurred to me each of the many times Sven has referenced health care. Namely why he excludes himself from an admittedly flawed industry the majority of Americans make work.

Plus since Sven has said numerous times that he hates me and hates most of the people I know (wishing death on us all as I remember) it's easy to let myself find a dim pleasure in  skewering his high school-level views on how he imagines life functions.

As I've increasingly come to wonder if Sven is mentally unwell, maybe I should give him a break.

[HappyGilmore]

Back on track to the show, no, I've not watched this season.

I watched it's return last season, and wasn't a big fan of the writing in general.  Can't always catch lightning in the bottle twice, although I am a fan of John Goodman and Laurie Metcalf, so maybe I'll catch a few On Demand.  I hope it works for them.  They're generally fantastic in everything.

[Svengoolie 3]

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